RE: [RBW] Re: What Makes the Rivendell
Well put guys! Very nice. best, JimP Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 15:34:02 -0800 Subject: [RBW] Re: What Makes the Rivendell From: willh...@yahoo.com To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com On Jan 10, 12:38 pm, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote: I've found that if you follow Riv's sizing guidelines and part suggestions, then the bike will tempt you to stop and smell the roses - to ramble and amble and enjoy the scenery. This is the case with my 650B Nobilette-built Protovelo. ^ This ^ for me this is largely what I couldn't put into words earlier. I have been one of those 'ride as fast as you can' and 'impress buddies with fancy gear' types in the past. I took several years off of serious riding, then picked up my Bombadil. I have been converted. im no longer in a big hurry and am now focused on looking around, smelling the roses, enjoying the ride and trying my best not be a nuisance to those around me. I guess I really drank the Rivendell koolaid, and am happier and having more fun than I have ever had that I can remember since being a kid. Slowing down and accepting that im not a racer dude was key. Thanks GP. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] Re: What Makes the Rivendell
That seems so odd to me but to each his own. I cannot say enough good things about my Sam Hillborne which I have named Crazy Horse. In terms of bicycle riding there seems to be nothing Crazy Horse cannot do. The limiting factor is always me! best, JimP Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 05:52:33 -0800 Subject: [RBW] Re: What Makes the Rivendell From: ericpl...@aol.com To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Guess that means I have never qualified, as have never been able to pass another rider. Strangely enough, been finding more and more that my Rivendell is the most limited (and limiting) bike. Maybe it's time to move on. Somebody is probably going to get a good deal on a built up Sam Hillborne soon. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Jan 10, 6:45 am, robert zeidler zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote: +1 On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 11:39 PM, Kelly Sleeper tkslee...@gmail.com wrote: Well this is the Riv Owners Group what better place to be snarky? I say Snark on.. we aren't that thin skinned. Kelly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: What Makes the Rivendell
I bought Riv's floor model, 56 cm Waterford canti SH, last March and rode it for six months. It had very good qualities as an all rounder type of bike, but I found it -- built as Riv had built it -- rather doggish in cruising and climbing modes, leaving out handling qualities that I did not like and that differed markedly from my other Rivs. I am sure that, with lighter wheels and kit it would have felt faster, but again, as built by Riv, it was no faster than my much heavier (even!) and fatter tired (65 MM, 800 gram Big Apple Liteskins on 800 gram 45 mm SnoCat SL rims) Fargo (measured by computer readouts) that is built up much the same (and with many of the parts from the SH) except for the disk brakeset. Me, for current Riv offerings, I'd choose something like a Bombadil or Hunq and a Roadeo. Patrick fuddy duddy speeds with world class effort Moore On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 10:07 AM, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote: Hi, all! @Eric Platt Surely everyone has their own expectations / desires out of a bike. So, in my ignorance of The World of Cycling, it certainly makes sense to me that no one bike or style of bike is going to fulfill everyone's riding dreams. I'm really enjoying my Hillborne. Surely it does not limit me. But I also know that, even though I'm a fuddy-duddy and am happy to follow for years patterns that many people consider ruts, *someday* (next year? 2025? after our ant overlords have established their reign?) I might get tired of riding my Hillborne bolt upright around in my flat little realm carrying 20+ lbs of gear at 15mph in the suburbs west of Chicago. At that point, I'd love to find something different in the world of cycling that I can enjoy. I think cycling itself is cool; not just riding my Hillborne. So I'd love to know more specifics about how it is that your Hillborne limits you. The things you find your Hillborne limits you in doing may be things I could investigate as different ways to enjoy cycling on that fateful day. And, as a more practical matter, I'm toying with the idea of getting another bike sometime in the next year or so. It's a major purchase, so I want to consider it carefully. Given that I keep the Hillborne, what kind of bike would complement it, would do what it can't do or does poorly? Having perspectives on what it is the Hillborne does poorly or even just not-so-well would help. Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean On Jan 10, 7:52 am, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: Guess that means I have never qualified, as have never been able to pass another rider. Strangely enough, been finding more and more that my Rivendell is the most limited (and limiting) bike. Maybe it's time to move on. Somebody is probably going to get a good deal on a built up Sam Hillborne soon. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Jan 10, 6:45 am, robert zeidler zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote: +1 On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 11:39 PM, Kelly Sleeper tkslee...@gmail.com wrote: Well this is the Riv Owners Group what better place to be snarky? I say Snark on.. we aren't that thin skinned. Kelly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: What Makes the Rivendell
I think I know what he means but am very interested to let him make his own comments. On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 8:52 AM, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: Guess that means I have never qualified, as have never been able to pass another rider. Strangely enough, been finding more and more that my Rivendell is the most limited (and limiting) bike. Maybe it's time to move on. Somebody is probably going to get a good deal on a built up Sam Hillborne soon. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Jan 10, 6:45 am, robert zeidler zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote: +1 On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 11:39 PM, Kelly Sleeper tkslee...@gmail.com wrote: Well this is the Riv Owners Group what better place to be snarky? I say Snark on.. we aren't that thin skinned. Kelly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: What Makes the Rivendell
On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 1:38 PM, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: Well, it's a combination of things. The Fargo can take 2.4 [tires] without [fenders]. Nay, much, much more!! Mine has 65 mm actual (2.5) BAs with PB fenders on it and room to spare. Also, strange as it may seem, am in agreement with Patrick on his observations on the bike. When stompin' on things it doesn't react gracefully as does the Fargo, which seems to want to climb hills. Strange, because Patrick and I are at the different ends of the weight spectrum, and he appears to be a much more forceful rider. Appears is the correct word here: only if you judge by sweating and gasping. I am sorely out of shape, having ridden relatively little over the last two months for a variety of reasons, some sound, some not. But that aside, the Fargo does seem agile for such a bulky bike: mine weighs north of 35 lb and has massively heavy rims and tires -- tho' the BAs, as I always say, roll very nicely. Lastly, and this will be the most controversial, am not enamoured by the quill stem(!) Yes, it makes changing bar height a breeze. On occasion, though, there is just the barest hint of less than absolute feeling of control on the bike. Probably (most certainly?) a psychological effect on my part. It may be real -- your weight may well do this. My 56 had most of the Tech's quill buried in the steerer, too, not sitting up high. But when the idea of doing a century this past year came into my head, it was done on the Fargo. As was a two day overnight camping trip. In both those situations the Rivendell stayed home. Although it would have been the more logical choice. This is very interesting. I compare my Fargo mostly with the admittedly upgraded but still vastly lower-end Monocog 29er it replaced, and it indeed feels faster and certainly smoother. But I am curious how yours is built, especially the wheels and tires. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: What Makes the Rivendell
My Rivendell bike combines beauty, practicality, durability, heritage, quality without excess, adaptability, craft, innovation, affordability, comfort, sweetness, strength, romance, individuality, experience, passion, élan, esprit, soul...I'd better watch out for Bike Snob New York or his minions... On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 6:22 PM, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: 2010 model. Stock XT build from Salsa. Weight around 31 or 32 pounds. Better cut this out, as this is now totally off-topic. The Sam Hillborne, with a SON hub up front and Phil FW rear hub (Riv model?) is lighter. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Jan 10, 6:28 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: (big snip) This is very interesting. I compare my Fargo mostly with the admittedly upgraded but still vastly lower-end Monocog 29er it replaced, and it indeed feels faster and certainly smoother. But I am curious how yours is built, especially the wheels and tires. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Bill Gibson Tempe, Arizona, USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] Re: What Makes the Rivendell
Rivendell bicycles are special for many reasons. Grant is Not a frame maker. He is a designer. Over many years of trial and error maybe even with a bit of luck or, better yet, magic, he came upon a design that really works and works wonderfully. Then, he searched to find the best frame makers to follow his design to the smallest nitpicking point. His frames are made for Rivendell Just as he designed them. best, JimP Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 13:45:53 -0800 Subject: [RBW] Re: What Makes the Rivendell From: willh...@yahoo.com To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com The magician never shares his secrets its a mystery that should never be put into exact words or it will be diluted. I think in the industry they call it brand mystique it is what I love about Rivendell. On Jan 7, 12:06 pm, Kelly Sleeper tkslee...@gmail.com wrote: As a new owner and new to this style of riding. This style of riding being larger tires, more upright position, more comfort oriented. My question is what makes the Rivendell Bike Different. I notice that even with Custom builds that Tire Clearance is less than. Full tour bikes that will only run 700x35 with fenders. I have two.. a FUJI Tour and a Giant OCR Tour. This is my Giant http://www.flickr.com/photos/tksleeper/5179941844/in/set-721576252104... It's my uninformed opinion that the lower bottom bracket appears to be unique or rare compared.. does this cotribute to the ride. I notice my Riv's feel quicker (even if they aren't) than my other bikes of similar weight. I seem to have a more comfortable ride which I attribute to the steal and fit etc. So even though I read that LHT's are great and we can use this or that I haven't found that to be true. My Giant OCR has been a good friend on tours, but it doesn't have the same feel as my Bombadil. (I do admit to liking and missing my disc brakes= only when stopping-minor detail) Anyway right or wrong I've found myself looking at bikes and seeing that it's not just steel or a leather saddle or bags that is Riv'ish .. it's not some cult of practicality even. But as a package of geometry (I am dumber than box of rocks on that subject) size and style combined that make the rivendell bike. If I got the same ride quality and handling and feel from an LHT or a Gunner at 500 bucks I'ld go there, but I don't .. this could be because I'm 6'5 tall or it could be I'm delusional. What makes the Rivendell Different.. how does one explain that difference to those that just see a steel antique looking bke? Kelly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: What Makes the Rivendell - It's not about the bike
The answer is not so much about any specific bike material decision. The answer is their attention to detail. Lots of companies care about details, but Rivendell cares about details that serve a wider range of cycling interests. (Do I owe Lance Armstrong money now?) On Jan 8, 2011, at 9:43 AM, Michael_S wrote: I agree... it's all of the above. The bikes fit right, permit larger tires, seem very balanced riding. The lug work and attention to detail make the whole package perfect. I'm not sure about that elf thing though. I thought it was artesians. ~Mike~ On Jan 7, 6:15 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 1:06 PM, Kelly Sleeper tkslee...@gmail.com wrote: My question is what makes the Rivendell Bike Different. Incontrovertibly and incontestably nothing more important than **fit** and **handling** -- sez I whose 3 customs won't take more than 30s with fenders. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
