Re: [RBW] Re: What is up with Brooks QC?
On Wednesday, September 10, 2014 8:08:21 PM UTC+2, Steve Palincsar wrote: On 09/10/2014 02:05 PM, Anton Tutter wrote: Most of the 4-5 Brooks saddle's I've bought new in the past five years have had some sort of anomaly or inconsistency in manufacture (some of which like you mentioned), but none bad enough to warrant returning it. The biggest issue I have with them is the poor leather quality-- thinner than on vintage Brooks. They've held up so far, but based on the rate of wear, I wouldn't say these are going to last nearly as long as some of the vintage ones I've found. The used ones that I've found that date back to the 1970s and 80s seem to have thicker leather and give me the impression they'll last decades more... And it's not like that quality leather isn't out there: Gilles Berthoud seems to have no trouble finding it for his saddles. The story I heard is that he went through a _lot_ of trouble to find quality leather, that it took him years, and that there isn't any guarantee for a continuous lasting supply. He only makes a fraction of the quantities that Brooks manufacture also. Johan Larsson, Sweden -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: What is up with Brooks QC?
Where dynamo hubs are ubiquitous I think you meant to say? ;) Yes, the times I've been in Germany, dynamo hubs and good lighting seem to be standard equipment on bikes. On Nov 1, 2014 3:06 AM, 'Mojo' via RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com wrote: I have owned several B17s a Champon Flyer. All developed their own 'personality.' The worst warped B17 lives on a mountain bike. In spite of its oddities its super comfortable when I place my butt on it. That said, after breaking in a Berthoud (which took awhile) it is a perfect saddle. Joe who is checking out Berlin bikes where dynamic hubs are ubiquitos Ramey -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: What is up with Brooks QC?
the other sounds like a snack food On Saturday, November 1, 2014 10:03:05 AM UTC-5, Jim Bronson wrote: Where dynamo hubs are ubiquitous I think you meant to say? ;) Yes, the times I've been in Germany, dynamo hubs and good lighting seem to be standard equipment on bikes. On Nov 1, 2014 3:06 AM, 'Mojo' via RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript: wrote: I have owned several B17s a Champon Flyer. All developed their own 'personality.' The worst warped B17 lives on a mountain bike. In spite of its oddities its super comfortable when I place my butt on it. That said, after breaking in a Berthoud (which took awhile) it is a perfect saddle. Joe who is checking out Berlin bikes where dynamic hubs are ubiquitos Ramey -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: What is up with Brooks QC?
Too many hours as the after school shop rat using tools from a chest with those stickers on it, and add Lockheed-Girling, a nightmare if they had gotten into bike parts Brooks is living up to some of these epic, old empire, business models if these reports are representative. Company response (besides the puff-piece emails about the boutique in London) would be interesting, wonder if they're aware of the concentration of product users here. Andy Cheatham (sneaking B-17s into the house for years-on all the bikes) Pittsburgh On Thursday, September 11, 2014 4:13:29 AM UTC-4, Tonester wrote: The Prince of Darkness and why the English drink warm beer On Wednesday, September 10, 2014 6:18:20 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: Did anyone mention Lucas yet? Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 6:16 PM, Goshen Peter uscpet...@gmail.com wrote: Quality control? have you ever bought something made in England, hahaha. The country that brought us the Reliant Robin. http://www.google.com/url?sa=trct=jq=esrc=ssource=webcd=6cad=rjauact=8ved=0CD0QuAIwBQurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DQQh56geU0X8ei=wPcQVPivMo_hsAShjICAAQusg=AFQjCNFDKZ4iUXHiqs8_8mInHqhgDNZzygsig2=UyKkLz9K_H_OyLqlMrlGQA On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 8:51 PM, Ron Mc bulld...@gmail.com wrote: have noticed a big difference in Brooks Special with the large rivets vs. Standard and Imperial. My daughter's Imperial has one side of the leather thick, one side thin, and the Brooks badge is an inch away from center. On Wednesday, September 10, 2014 4:25:23 PM UTC-5, Anton Tutter wrote: Correct. I have a Berthoud saddle... way sturdier leather than Brooks. It's possible the higher-end Brooks models get the thicker, choice leather, but I wouldn't know as all of my newer Brooks are the lower end models (B17 regular, B67 sprung, etc). On Wednesday, September 10, 2014 2:08:21 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote: On 09/10/2014 02:05 PM, Anton Tutter wrote: Most of the 4-5 Brooks saddle's I've bought new in the past five years have had some sort of anomaly or inconsistency in manufacture (some of which like you mentioned), but none bad enough to warrant returning it. The biggest issue I have with them is the poor leather quality-- thinner than on vintage Brooks. They've held up so far, but based on the rate of wear, I wouldn't say these are going to last nearly as long as some of the vintage ones I've found. The used ones that I've found that date back to the 1970s and 80s seem to have thicker leather and give me the impression they'll last decades more... And it's not like that quality leather isn't out there: Gilles Berthoud seems to have no trouble finding it for his saddles. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: What is up with Brooks QC?
The Prince of Darkness and why the English drink warm beer On Wednesday, September 10, 2014 6:18:20 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: Did anyone mention Lucas yet? Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 6:16 PM, Goshen Peter uscpet...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Quality control? have you ever bought something made in England, hahaha. The country that brought us the Reliant Robin. http://www.google.com/url?sa=trct=jq=esrc=ssource=webcd=6cad=rjauact=8ved=0CD0QuAIwBQurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DQQh56geU0X8ei=wPcQVPivMo_hsAShjICAAQusg=AFQjCNFDKZ4iUXHiqs8_8mInHqhgDNZzygsig2=UyKkLz9K_H_OyLqlMrlGQA On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 8:51 PM, Ron Mc bulld...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: have noticed a big difference in Brooks Special with the large rivets vs. Standard and Imperial. My daughter's Imperial has one side of the leather thick, one side thin, and the Brooks badge is an inch away from center. On Wednesday, September 10, 2014 4:25:23 PM UTC-5, Anton Tutter wrote: Correct. I have a Berthoud saddle... way sturdier leather than Brooks. It's possible the higher-end Brooks models get the thicker, choice leather, but I wouldn't know as all of my newer Brooks are the lower end models (B17 regular, B67 sprung, etc). On Wednesday, September 10, 2014 2:08:21 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote: On 09/10/2014 02:05 PM, Anton Tutter wrote: Most of the 4-5 Brooks saddle's I've bought new in the past five years have had some sort of anomaly or inconsistency in manufacture (some of which like you mentioned), but none bad enough to warrant returning it. The biggest issue I have with them is the poor leather quality-- thinner than on vintage Brooks. They've held up so far, but based on the rate of wear, I wouldn't say these are going to last nearly as long as some of the vintage ones I've found. The used ones that I've found that date back to the 1970s and 80s seem to have thicker leather and give me the impression they'll last decades more... And it's not like that quality leather isn't out there: Gilles Berthoud seems to have no trouble finding it for his saddles. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: What is up with Brooks QC?
My Cambium is holding up beautifully. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: What is up with Brooks QC?
We have B17s on the tandem, one standard one deluxe. No anomalies or premature ware in either; but the early Selle Anatomica saddles I have on the Ram Saluki are both noticeably more comfortable. These are very early models and still in good condition. Only no dang bag loops! Michael On Thursday, September 11, 2014 8:55:33 AM UTC-4, Matthew J wrote: My Cambium is holding up beautifully. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: What is up with Brooks QC?
On 09/10/2014 02:05 PM, Anton Tutter wrote: Most of the 4-5 Brooks saddle's I've bought new in the past five years have had some sort of anomaly or inconsistency in manufacture (some of which like you mentioned), but none bad enough to warrant returning it. The biggest issue I have with them is the poor leather quality-- thinner than on vintage Brooks. They've held up so far, but based on the rate of wear, I wouldn't say these are going to last nearly as long as some of the vintage ones I've found. The used ones that I've found that date back to the 1970s and 80s seem to have thicker leather and give me the impression they'll last decades more... And it's not like that quality leather isn't out there: Gilles Berthoud seems to have no trouble finding it for his saddles. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: [RBW] Re: What is up with Brooks QC?
And Brooks itself uses very fine leather on its Select saddles (sold by Riv, last time I looked). -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Palincsar Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 2:08 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: What is up with Brooks QC? On 09/10/2014 02:05 PM, Anton Tutter wrote: Most of the 4-5 Brooks saddle's I've bought new in the past five years have had some sort of anomaly or inconsistency in manufacture (some of which like you mentioned), but none bad enough to warrant returning it. The biggest issue I have with them is the poor leather quality-- thinner than on vintage Brooks. They've held up so far, but based on the rate of wear, I wouldn't say these are going to last nearly as long as some of the vintage ones I've found. The used ones that I've found that date back to the 1970s and 80s seem to have thicker leather and give me the impression they'll last decades more... And it's not like that quality leather isn't out there: Gilles Berthoud seems to have no trouble finding it for his saddles. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) 735-3000 and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any email) and any printout thereof. Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their professional qualifications will be provided upon request. == -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: What is up with Brooks QC?
Correct. I have a Berthoud saddle... way sturdier leather than Brooks. It's possible the higher-end Brooks models get the thicker, choice leather, but I wouldn't know as all of my newer Brooks are the lower end models (B17 regular, B67 sprung, etc). On Wednesday, September 10, 2014 2:08:21 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote: On 09/10/2014 02:05 PM, Anton Tutter wrote: Most of the 4-5 Brooks saddle's I've bought new in the past five years have had some sort of anomaly or inconsistency in manufacture (some of which like you mentioned), but none bad enough to warrant returning it. The biggest issue I have with them is the poor leather quality-- thinner than on vintage Brooks. They've held up so far, but based on the rate of wear, I wouldn't say these are going to last nearly as long as some of the vintage ones I've found. The used ones that I've found that date back to the 1970s and 80s seem to have thicker leather and give me the impression they'll last decades more... And it's not like that quality leather isn't out there: Gilles Berthoud seems to have no trouble finding it for his saddles. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: What is up with Brooks QC?
have noticed a big difference in Brooks Special with the large rivets vs. Standard and Imperial. My daughter's Imperial has one side of the leather thick, one side thin, and the Brooks badge is an inch away from center. On Wednesday, September 10, 2014 4:25:23 PM UTC-5, Anton Tutter wrote: Correct. I have a Berthoud saddle... way sturdier leather than Brooks. It's possible the higher-end Brooks models get the thicker, choice leather, but I wouldn't know as all of my newer Brooks are the lower end models (B17 regular, B67 sprung, etc). On Wednesday, September 10, 2014 2:08:21 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote: On 09/10/2014 02:05 PM, Anton Tutter wrote: Most of the 4-5 Brooks saddle's I've bought new in the past five years have had some sort of anomaly or inconsistency in manufacture (some of which like you mentioned), but none bad enough to warrant returning it. The biggest issue I have with them is the poor leather quality-- thinner than on vintage Brooks. They've held up so far, but based on the rate of wear, I wouldn't say these are going to last nearly as long as some of the vintage ones I've found. The used ones that I've found that date back to the 1970s and 80s seem to have thicker leather and give me the impression they'll last decades more... And it's not like that quality leather isn't out there: Gilles Berthoud seems to have no trouble finding it for his saddles. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: What is up with Brooks QC?
Quality control? have you ever bought something made in England, hahaha. The country that brought us the Reliant Robin. http://www.google.com/url?sa=trct=jq=esrc=ssource=webcd=6cad=rjauact=8ved=0CD0QuAIwBQurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DQQh56geU0X8ei=wPcQVPivMo_hsAShjICAAQusg=AFQjCNFDKZ4iUXHiqs8_8mInHqhgDNZzygsig2=UyKkLz9K_H_OyLqlMrlGQA On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 8:51 PM, Ron Mc bulldog...@gmail.com wrote: have noticed a big difference in Brooks Special with the large rivets vs. Standard and Imperial. My daughter's Imperial has one side of the leather thick, one side thin, and the Brooks badge is an inch away from center. On Wednesday, September 10, 2014 4:25:23 PM UTC-5, Anton Tutter wrote: Correct. I have a Berthoud saddle... way sturdier leather than Brooks. It's possible the higher-end Brooks models get the thicker, choice leather, but I wouldn't know as all of my newer Brooks are the lower end models (B17 regular, B67 sprung, etc). On Wednesday, September 10, 2014 2:08:21 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote: On 09/10/2014 02:05 PM, Anton Tutter wrote: Most of the 4-5 Brooks saddle's I've bought new in the past five years have had some sort of anomaly or inconsistency in manufacture (some of which like you mentioned), but none bad enough to warrant returning it. The biggest issue I have with them is the poor leather quality-- thinner than on vintage Brooks. They've held up so far, but based on the rate of wear, I wouldn't say these are going to last nearly as long as some of the vintage ones I've found. The used ones that I've found that date back to the 1970s and 80s seem to have thicker leather and give me the impression they'll last decades more... And it's not like that quality leather isn't out there: Gilles Berthoud seems to have no trouble finding it for his saddles. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: What is up with Brooks QC?
Did anyone mention Lucas yet? Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 6:16 PM, Goshen Peter uscpeter11...@gmail.com wrote: Quality control? have you ever bought something made in England, hahaha. The country that brought us the Reliant Robin. http://www.google.com/url?sa=trct=jq=esrc=ssource=webcd=6cad=rjauact=8ved=0CD0QuAIwBQurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DQQh56geU0X8ei=wPcQVPivMo_hsAShjICAAQusg=AFQjCNFDKZ4iUXHiqs8_8mInHqhgDNZzygsig2=UyKkLz9K_H_OyLqlMrlGQA On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 8:51 PM, Ron Mc bulldog...@gmail.com wrote: have noticed a big difference in Brooks Special with the large rivets vs. Standard and Imperial. My daughter's Imperial has one side of the leather thick, one side thin, and the Brooks badge is an inch away from center. On Wednesday, September 10, 2014 4:25:23 PM UTC-5, Anton Tutter wrote: Correct. I have a Berthoud saddle... way sturdier leather than Brooks. It's possible the higher-end Brooks models get the thicker, choice leather, but I wouldn't know as all of my newer Brooks are the lower end models (B17 regular, B67 sprung, etc). On Wednesday, September 10, 2014 2:08:21 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote: On 09/10/2014 02:05 PM, Anton Tutter wrote: Most of the 4-5 Brooks saddle's I've bought new in the past five years have had some sort of anomaly or inconsistency in manufacture (some of which like you mentioned), but none bad enough to warrant returning it. The biggest issue I have with them is the poor leather quality-- thinner than on vintage Brooks. They've held up so far, but based on the rate of wear, I wouldn't say these are going to last nearly as long as some of the vintage ones I've found. The used ones that I've found that date back to the 1970s and 80s seem to have thicker leather and give me the impression they'll last decades more... And it's not like that quality leather isn't out there: Gilles Berthoud seems to have no trouble finding it for his saddles. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
