subject:"Re\: \[RBW\] Best Riv Rando Bike"

Re: [RBW] Best Riv Rando Bike

2023-08-01 Thread Gary Jacobson

Given that the seatpost on my usual brevet bike (a BMC monster cross) is
irredeemably fused in place, it may well become my brevet bike if I ever
have to box one for travel.

=Industrial ammonia and time is your friend. That, or give me a saw and
I'll get the seat post out:)

gary

On Tue, Aug 1, 2023 at 7:06 PM Brady Smith  wrote:

> It'd be hard to go wrong with any Riv except maybe the Hillibikes. One of
> my fellow Salt Lake Randonneurs has a Rambouillet that he seems to really
> like. I haven't done any randonneuring on my Roadini, but having just
> finished RAGBRAI on my Roadini, I wouldn't hesitate to ride it for any
> randonneuring distance. Given that the seatpost on my usual brevet bike (a
> BMC monster cross) is irredeemably fused in place, it may well become my
> brevet bike if I ever have to box one for travel.
>
> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 4:50:34 PM UTC-6 dylantho...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> Wow - Gary it’s perfect!
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 1, 2023, at 3:47 PM, Gary Jacobson  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> 
>>
>> Toyo 56 Atlantis. 650 b fenders over 1.75 tires. Ritchey Logic triple.
>> Sachs Qartzrd and fd. Early Son front, White Industry rear hub.
>> On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 10:46:04 AM UTC-4 dylantho...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> What a great setup, Bryan!
>>>
>>> On Jul 29, 2023, at 6:10 AM, Josh C  wrote:
>>>
>>> And mine:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 9:03:31 AM UTC-4 bryan...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Here is my Toyo Atlantis that I've got set up for my rando
 events/longer road rides. It's wonderful. Clears 42s with fenders and I
 could probably go a little bigger if I wanted but it's plenty. Super comfy
 for a long day in the saddle, while remaining relatively light, though I
 don't care much about weight. Just switched out the wheelset for
 tubeless/dynamo so now I'm really good to go.

 On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 12:52:51 PM UTC-4 ride2almo...@gmail.com
 wrote:

> Toshi,
>  No braze ons for the current run of Roadini’s but the wider tires
> would certainly sweeten the ride. Some great ideas on setting up the bags.
> I will have to try food up front and everything else in the back.
> Ian
>
> On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 3:15 PM Toshi Takeuchi 
> wrote:
>
>> The Roadini is worth some consideration.  Many people finish PBP on
>> carbon fiber racing bikes, so you could definitely do it with a Roadini 
>> and
>> have a much more comfortable and pleasant ride.  The Roadini is probably
>> better (for me) than the Roadeo because it accommodates wider tires. If I
>> were considering a current production bike, then that might be my choice 
>> as
>> it balances speed and comfort.
>>
>> I can't remember if the Roadini has braze-ons for a front rack, but I
>> had no problem with a Mark's rack and p-clamps on my Ram and didn't have
>> any handling issues (I shared weight with a saddlebag, so it wasn't 
>> "front
>> loaded").  Many people ride with a handlebar bag (without rack) for food
>> and use a saddlebag for everything else.  It is nice to stuff layers into
>> the front rack "rando" bag without having to stop, but (obviously) it is
>> not necessary.
>>
>> Good luck,
>> Toshi
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Re: [RBW] Best Riv Rando Bike

2023-08-01 Thread Brady Smith

It'd be hard to go wrong with any Riv except maybe the Hillibikes. One of 
my fellow Salt Lake Randonneurs has a Rambouillet that he seems to really 
like. I haven't done any randonneuring on my Roadini, but having just 
finished RAGBRAI on my Roadini, I wouldn't hesitate to ride it for any 
randonneuring distance. Given that the seatpost on my usual brevet bike (a 
BMC monster cross) is irredeemably fused in place, it may well become my 
brevet bike if I ever have to box one for travel. 

On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 4:50:34 PM UTC-6 dylantho...@gmail.com wrote:

> Wow - Gary it’s perfect!
>
>
>
> On Aug 1, 2023, at 3:47 PM, Gary Jacobson  wrote:
>
> 
>
> 
>
> Toyo 56 Atlantis. 650 b fenders over 1.75 tires. Ritchey Logic triple. 
> Sachs Qartzrd and fd. Early Son front, White Industry rear hub. 
> On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 10:46:04 AM UTC-4 dylantho...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> What a great setup, Bryan!
>>
>> On Jul 29, 2023, at 6:10 AM, Josh C  wrote:
>>
>> And mine: 
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 9:03:31 AM UTC-4 bryan...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Here is my Toyo Atlantis that I've got set up for my rando events/longer 
>>> road rides. It's wonderful. Clears 42s with fenders and I could probably go 
>>> a little bigger if I wanted but it's plenty. Super comfy for a long day in 
>>> the saddle, while remaining relatively light, though I don't care much 
>>> about weight. Just switched out the wheelset for tubeless/dynamo so now I'm 
>>> really good to go.
>>>
>>> On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 12:52:51 PM UTC-4 ride2almo...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Toshi,
  No braze ons for the current run of Roadini’s but the wider tires 
 would certainly sweeten the ride. Some great ideas on setting up the bags. 
 I will have to try food up front and everything else in the back.
 Ian

 On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 3:15 PM Toshi Takeuchi  
 wrote:

> The Roadini is worth some consideration.  Many people finish PBP on 
> carbon fiber racing bikes, so you could definitely do it with a Roadini 
> and 
> have a much more comfortable and pleasant ride.  The Roadini is probably 
> better (for me) than the Roadeo because it accommodates wider tires. If I 
> were considering a current production bike, then that might be my choice 
> as 
> it balances speed and comfort.
>
> I can't remember if the Roadini has braze-ons for a front rack, but I 
> had no problem with a Mark's rack and p-clamps on my Ram and didn't have 
> any handling issues (I shared weight with a saddlebag, so it wasn't 
> "front 
> loaded").  Many people ride with a handlebar bag (without rack) for food 
> and use a saddlebag for everything else.  It is nice to stuff layers into 
> the front rack "rando" bag without having to stop, but (obviously) it is 
> not necessary.
>
> Good luck,
> Toshi
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Wow - Gary it’s perfect!On Aug 1, 2023, at 3:47 PM, Gary Jacobson wrote:Toyo 56 Atlantis. 650 b fenders over 1.75 tires. Ritchey Logic triple. Sachs Qartzrd and fd. Early Son front, White Industry rear hub. On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 10:46:04 AM UTC-4 dylantho...@gmail.com wrote:What a great setup, Bryan!On Jul 29, 2023, at 6:10 AM, Josh C wrote:And mine: On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 9:03:31 AM UTC-4 bryan...@gmail.com wrote:Here is my Toyo Atlantis that I've got set up for my rando events/longer road rides. It's wonderful. Clears 42s with fenders and I could probably go a little bigger if I wanted but it's plenty. Super comfy for a long day in the saddle, while remaining relatively light, though I don't care much about weight. Just switched out the wheelset for tubeless/dynamo so now I'm really good to go.On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 12:52:51 PM UTC-4 ride2almo...@gmail.com wrote:Toshi, No braze ons for the current run of Roadini’s but the wider tires would certainly sweeten the ride. Some great ideas on setting up the bags. I will have to try food up front and everything else in the back.IanOn Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 3:15 PM Toshi Takeuchi wrote:The Roadini is worth some consideration. Many people finish PBP on carbon fiber racing bikes, so you could definitely do it with a Roadini and have a much more comfortable and pleasant ride. The Roadini is probably better (for me) than the Roadeo because it accommodates wider tires. If I were considering a current production bike, then that might be my choice as it balances speed and comfort.I can't remember if the Roadini has braze-ons for a front rack, but I had no problem with a Mark's rack and p-clamps on my Ram and didn't have any handling issues (I shared weight with a saddlebag, so it wasn't "front loaded"). Many people ride with a handlebar bag (without rack) for food and use a saddlebag for everything else. It is nice to stuff layers into the front rack "rando" bag without having to stop, but (obviously) it is not necessary.Good luck,Toshi

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Re: [RBW] Best Riv Rando Bike

2023-07-29 Thread John Dewey

BTW, we don't ride nearly as much as lots of you do, but we are at about 
9,000K for the year...so there is that. BTW, what set-up is finer than a 
proper rando?

Jock

On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 8:27:01 AM UTC-7 John Dewey wrote:

> Well, I’m prompted to chime in here because we have both PBP 
> bikes—Rambouillet / Saluki. 
>
> But not be attempting PBP anytime soon because we just don’t ride well on 
> no sleep. We end up seeing scary things that go bump in the night and don’t 
> like napping in the cold wet ditch. Too bad, because we got the equipment 
> and the 'want to'…just the wrong genes.Unfortunately, no way to really fix 
> that. In school, when my pals were banging around in dorms waiting for the 
> sun to come up, I was always long gone.
>
> Jock 
>
> [image: Hound.png][image: Ram.png]
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Re: [RBW] Best Riv Rando Bike

2023-07-29 Thread John Dewey

Well, I’m prompted to rsvp here because we have both PBP bikes—Rambouillet
and Saluki.

But not be attempting PBP anytime soon because we just don’t ride well on
no sleep. We end up seeing scary things that go bump in the night and don’t
like napping in the ditch. Too bad, because we got the equipment and the
want to…just the wrong genes. I

On Tue, Jul 25, 2023 at 7:48 PM 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch <
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> I’ve never owned one, but I’ve always thought the Rambouillet would do
> well as a Rando bike.
>
> –Eric N
>
>
> On Jul 25, 2023, at 5:55 PM, Dick Combs  wrote:
>
> Looking for thoughts/opinions on best Riv model for randonneuring. Thanks
>
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Re: [RBW] Best Riv Rando Bike

2023-07-29 Thread dylan green

What a great setup, Bryan!On Jul 29, 2023, at 6:10 AM, Josh C wrote:And mine: On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 9:03:31 AM UTC-4 bryan...@gmail.com wrote:Here is my Toyo Atlantis that I've got set up for my rando events/longer road rides. It's wonderful. Clears 42s with fenders and I could probably go a little bigger if I wanted but it's plenty. Super comfy for a long day in the saddle, while remaining relatively light, though I don't care much about weight. Just switched out the wheelset for tubeless/dynamo so now I'm really good to go.On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 12:52:51 PM UTC-4 ride2almo...@gmail.com wrote:Toshi, No braze ons for the current run of Roadini’s but the wider tires would certainly sweeten the ride. Some great ideas on setting up the bags. I will have to try food up front and everything else in the back.IanOn Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 3:15 PM Toshi Takeuchi wrote:The Roadini is worth some consideration. Many people finish PBP on carbon fiber racing bikes, so you could definitely do it with a Roadini and have a much more comfortable and pleasant ride. The Roadini is probably better (for me) than the Roadeo because it accommodates wider tires. If I were considering a current production bike, then that might be my choice as it balances speed and comfort.I can't remember if the Roadini has braze-ons for a front rack, but I had no problem with a Mark's rack and p-clamps on my Ram and didn't have any handling issues (I shared weight with a saddlebag, so it wasn't "front loaded"). Many people ride with a handlebar bag (without rack) for food and use a saddlebag for everything else. It is nice to stuff layers into the front rack "rando" bag without having to stop, but (obviously) it is not necessary.Good luck,Toshi

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Re: [RBW] Best Riv Rando Bike

2023-07-28 Thread Ian

Toshi,
 No braze ons for the current run of Roadini’s but the wider tires would
certainly sweeten the ride. Some great ideas on setting up the bags. I will
have to try food up front and everything else in the back.
Ian

On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 3:15 PM Toshi Takeuchi  wrote:

> The Roadini is worth some consideration.  Many people finish PBP on carbon
> fiber racing bikes, so you could definitely do it with a Roadini and have a
> much more comfortable and pleasant ride.  The Roadini is probably better
> (for me) than the Roadeo because it accommodates wider tires. If I were
> considering a current production bike, then that might be my choice as it
> balances speed and comfort.
>
> I can't remember if the Roadini has braze-ons for a front rack, but I had
> no problem with a Mark's rack and p-clamps on my Ram and didn't have any
> handling issues (I shared weight with a saddlebag, so it wasn't "front
> loaded").  Many people ride with a handlebar bag (without rack) for food
> and use a saddlebag for everything else.  It is nice to stuff layers into
> the front rack "rando" bag without having to stop, but (obviously) it is
> not necessary.
>
> Good luck,
> Toshi
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Re: [RBW] Best Riv Rando Bike

2023-07-28 Thread John S

Here is a thread from a few years ago with additional thoughts on 
"Randonneuring on Rivendells":

https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/EcVMZgXBmqY/m/Jj05ZEW4AwAJ

On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 11:15:24 AM UTC-5 RichS wrote:

> Adding to Jason's success with the Hillborne, an acquaintance here is 
> preparing for I believe his third PBP, and this year will be riding a 
> Hillborne. I have used mine for rando rides and have never been 
> disappointed.
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
>
> On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 11:37:31 PM UTC-4 Bill Gibson wrote:
>
>> Riding PBP fixed was tremendous! You can see that at least two guys in 
>> the background appreciate the significance of a fixed gear. I, too, have 
>> converted my green Quickbeam to IGH, but a SRAM I-9 cannonball I was given, 
>> that is incredibly heavy and not really in the spirit of a green Quickbeam, 
>> but it is mostly flat here, and wind is the only foe. I will someday mess 
>> with it and go back to it's single speed root. But, for Randonneuring, I 
>> would want lighter weight, and more ratios to climb the mountain ranges out 
>> this valley. Hard to argue with a derailleur for weight, but the frame is 
>> nice for long rides. The frame is maybe too sturdy for light weight long 
>> rides, but I use it for anything.
>> Bill Gibson
>> Tempe, Arizona, USA
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>>
>> On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 2:04 PM 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Here I am crossing the finish line that year. I felt even worse than I 
>>> looked.
>>>
>>> [image: PastedGraphic-1.png]
>>>
>>> --Eric Norris
>>> campyo...@me.com
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>>>
>>> On Jul 26, 2023, at 1:34 PM, Jason Fuller  wrote:
>>>
>>> Eric - PBP on a fixed QB, wow, nice work!  I had done some 100 mile 
>>> rides on a fixed gear around the same time but nothing like that. 
>>>
>>> I would say that which Rivendell works best (and whether a Rivendell at 
>>> all is the right call) depends on your randonneuring aspirations and 
>>> priorities. I have only done a half dozen 200k's so far, so I'm just a 
>>> dabbler, but my Hillborne is perfectly suited for me despite being heavier 
>>> and slower than a Ram, presumably. My only complaint is that they should 
>>> have put third water bottle bosses under the DT; I added my own. But I am 
>>> not trying to get a competitive time - I am happy being 9:30 - 11:00h 
>>> finishing time on a 200.  I appreciate the 42mm tires with fenders and the 
>>> forgiveness they provide.  If I was more competitive I'd probably dip into 
>>> the back catalog for a Ram, Saluki, earlier Homer, or Bleriot.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, 26 July 2023 at 12:42:02 UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 The roadini doesn't have front rack braze-ons. But saddlebags or 
 bikepacking style bags would definitely work.

 On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 12:15 PM Toshi Takeuchi  
 wrote:

> The Roadini is worth some consideration.  Many people finish PBP on 
> carbon fiber racing bikes, so you could definitely do it with a Roadini 
> and 
> have a much more comfortable and pleasant ride.  The Roadini is probably 
> better (for me) than the Roadeo because it accommodates wider tires. If I 
> were considering a current production bike, then that might be my choice 
> as 
> it balances speed and comfort.
>
> I can't remember if the Roadini has braze-ons for a front rack, but I 
> had no problem with a Mark's rack and p-clamps on my Ram and didn't have 
> any handling issues (I shared weight with a saddlebag, so it wasn't 
> "front 
> loaded").  Many people ride with a handlebar bag (without rack) for food 
> and use a saddlebag for everything else.  It is nice to stuff layers into 
> the front rack "rando" bag without having to stop, but (obviously) it is 
> not necessary.
>
> Good luck,
> Toshi
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Re: [RBW] Best Riv Rando Bike

2023-07-27 Thread 'Bikie#4646' via RBW Owners Bunch

Jeepers Eric! Lyle's Ram looks to be from outer space! (That is to say: 
otherworldly.)
My 76-year old body would not likely appreciate randonneuring but if I were 
inclined to go those distances, I can't imagine doing it more comfortably 
than on my Homer: 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/52784257986/in/album-72177720307152181/

While I use a Hillborne for touring, and find it very capable, the Homer is 
decidedly more lively and plenty comfortable shod with 38's. Both are 
fendered and carry front loads.
Paul Germain
Midlothian, Va.

On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 9:37:05 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> [image: download.jpg]
>
> Lyle's raw steel Ram with Mafac RAIDs, Mafac levers, TA cranks. 
>
>
>
> On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 12:15:24 PM UTC-4 RichS wrote:
>
>> Adding to Jason's success with the Hillborne, an acquaintance here is 
>> preparing for I believe his third PBP, and this year will be riding a 
>> Hillborne. I have used mine for rando rides and have never been 
>> disappointed.
>>
>> Best,
>> Rich in ATL
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 11:37:31 PM UTC-4 Bill Gibson wrote:
>>
>>> Riding PBP fixed was tremendous! You can see that at least two guys in 
>>> the background appreciate the significance of a fixed gear. I, too, have 
>>> converted my green Quickbeam to IGH, but a SRAM I-9 cannonball I was given, 
>>> that is incredibly heavy and not really in the spirit of a green Quickbeam, 
>>> but it is mostly flat here, and wind is the only foe. I will someday mess 
>>> with it and go back to it's single speed root. But, for Randonneuring, I 
>>> would want lighter weight, and more ratios to climb the mountain ranges out 
>>> this valley. Hard to argue with a derailleur for weight, but the frame is 
>>> nice for long rides. The frame is maybe too sturdy for light weight long 
>>> rides, but I use it for anything.
>>> Bill Gibson
>>> Tempe, Arizona, USA
>>> My Photographs  : 
>>> https://billbgibson.myportfolio.com/ and on Behance: 
>>> https://www.behance.net/BillGibson 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 2:04 PM 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
 Here I am crossing the finish line that year. I felt even worse than I 
 looked.

 [image: PastedGraphic-1.png]

 --Eric Norris
 campyo...@me.com
 Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
 YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 

 On Jul 26, 2023, at 1:34 PM, Jason Fuller  wrote:

 Eric - PBP on a fixed QB, wow, nice work!  I had done some 100 mile 
 rides on a fixed gear around the same time but nothing like that. 

 I would say that which Rivendell works best (and whether a Rivendell at 
 all is the right call) depends on your randonneuring aspirations and 
 priorities. I have only done a half dozen 200k's so far, so I'm just a 
 dabbler, but my Hillborne is perfectly suited for me despite being heavier 
 and slower than a Ram, presumably. My only complaint is that they should 
 have put third water bottle bosses under the DT; I added my own. But I am 
 not trying to get a competitive time - I am happy being 9:30 - 11:00h 
 finishing time on a 200.  I appreciate the 42mm tires with fenders and the 
 forgiveness they provide.  If I was more competitive I'd probably dip into 
 the back catalog for a Ram, Saluki, earlier Homer, or Bleriot.

 On Wednesday, 26 July 2023 at 12:42:02 UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> The roadini doesn't have front rack braze-ons. But saddlebags or 
> bikepacking style bags would definitely work.
>
> On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 12:15 PM Toshi Takeuchi  
> wrote:
>
>> The Roadini is worth some consideration.  Many people finish PBP on 
>> carbon fiber racing bikes, so you could definitely do it with a Roadini 
>> and 
>> have a much more comfortable and pleasant ride.  The Roadini is probably 
>> better (for me) than the Roadeo because it accommodates wider tires. If 
>> I 
>> were considering a current production bike, then that might be my choice 
>> as 
>> it balances speed and comfort.
>>
>> I can't remember if the Roadini has braze-ons for a front rack, but I 
>> had no problem with a Mark's rack and p-clamps on my Ram and didn't have 
>> any handling issues (I shared weight with a saddlebag, so it wasn't 
>> "front 
>> loaded").  Many people ride with a handlebar bag (without rack) for food 
>> and use a saddlebag for everything else.  It is nice to stuff layers 
>> into 
>> the front rack "rando" bag without having to stop, but (obviously) it is 
>> not necessary.
>>
>> Good luck,
>> Toshi
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Re: [RBW] Best Riv Rando Bike

2023-07-27 Thread RichS

Adding to Jason's success with the Hillborne, an acquaintance here is 
preparing for I believe his third PBP, and this year will be riding a 
Hillborne. I have used mine for rando rides and have never been 
disappointed.

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 11:37:31 PM UTC-4 Bill Gibson wrote:

> Riding PBP fixed was tremendous! You can see that at least two guys in the 
> background appreciate the significance of a fixed gear. I, too, have 
> converted my green Quickbeam to IGH, but a SRAM I-9 cannonball I was given, 
> that is incredibly heavy and not really in the spirit of a green Quickbeam, 
> but it is mostly flat here, and wind is the only foe. I will someday mess 
> with it and go back to it's single speed root. But, for Randonneuring, I 
> would want lighter weight, and more ratios to climb the mountain ranges out 
> this valley. Hard to argue with a derailleur for weight, but the frame is 
> nice for long rides. The frame is maybe too sturdy for light weight long 
> rides, but I use it for anything.
> Bill Gibson
> Tempe, Arizona, USA
> My Photographs  : 
> https://billbgibson.myportfolio.com/ and on Behance: 
> https://www.behance.net/BillGibson 
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 2:04 PM 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Here I am crossing the finish line that year. I felt even worse than I 
>> looked.
>>
>> [image: PastedGraphic-1.png]
>>
>> --Eric Norris
>> campyo...@me.com
>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
>>
>> On Jul 26, 2023, at 1:34 PM, Jason Fuller  wrote:
>>
>> Eric - PBP on a fixed QB, wow, nice work!  I had done some 100 mile rides 
>> on a fixed gear around the same time but nothing like that. 
>>
>> I would say that which Rivendell works best (and whether a Rivendell at 
>> all is the right call) depends on your randonneuring aspirations and 
>> priorities. I have only done a half dozen 200k's so far, so I'm just a 
>> dabbler, but my Hillborne is perfectly suited for me despite being heavier 
>> and slower than a Ram, presumably. My only complaint is that they should 
>> have put third water bottle bosses under the DT; I added my own. But I am 
>> not trying to get a competitive time - I am happy being 9:30 - 11:00h 
>> finishing time on a 200.  I appreciate the 42mm tires with fenders and the 
>> forgiveness they provide.  If I was more competitive I'd probably dip into 
>> the back catalog for a Ram, Saluki, earlier Homer, or Bleriot.
>>
>> On Wednesday, 26 July 2023 at 12:42:02 UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> The roadini doesn't have front rack braze-ons. But saddlebags or 
>>> bikepacking style bags would definitely work.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 12:15 PM Toshi Takeuchi  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 The Roadini is worth some consideration.  Many people finish PBP on 
 carbon fiber racing bikes, so you could definitely do it with a Roadini 
 and 
 have a much more comfortable and pleasant ride.  The Roadini is probably 
 better (for me) than the Roadeo because it accommodates wider tires. If I 
 were considering a current production bike, then that might be my choice 
 as 
 it balances speed and comfort.

 I can't remember if the Roadini has braze-ons for a front rack, but I 
 had no problem with a Mark's rack and p-clamps on my Ram and didn't have 
 any handling issues (I shared weight with a saddlebag, so it wasn't "front 
 loaded").  Many people ride with a handlebar bag (without rack) for food 
 and use a saddlebag for everything else.  It is nice to stuff layers into 
 the front rack "rando" bag without having to stop, but (obviously) it is 
 not necessary.

 Good luck,
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Re: [RBW] Best Riv Rando Bike

2023-07-26 Thread Jason Fuller

Eric - PBP on a fixed QB, wow, nice work!  I had done some 100 mile rides 
on a fixed gear around the same time but nothing like that. 

I would say that which Rivendell works best (and whether a Rivendell at all 
is the right call) depends on your randonneuring aspirations and 
priorities. I have only done a half dozen 200k's so far, so I'm just a 
dabbler, but my Hillborne is perfectly suited for me despite being heavier 
and slower than a Ram, presumably. My only complaint is that they should 
have put third water bottle bosses under the DT; I added my own. But I am 
not trying to get a competitive time - I am happy being 9:30 - 11:00h 
finishing time on a 200.  I appreciate the 42mm tires with fenders and the 
forgiveness they provide.  If I was more competitive I'd probably dip into 
the back catalog for a Ram, Saluki, earlier Homer, or Bleriot.

On Wednesday, 26 July 2023 at 12:42:02 UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> The roadini doesn't have front rack braze-ons. But saddlebags or 
> bikepacking style bags would definitely work.
>
> On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 12:15 PM Toshi Takeuchi  wrote:
>
>> The Roadini is worth some consideration.  Many people finish PBP on 
>> carbon fiber racing bikes, so you could definitely do it with a Roadini and 
>> have a much more comfortable and pleasant ride.  The Roadini is probably 
>> better (for me) than the Roadeo because it accommodates wider tires. If I 
>> were considering a current production bike, then that might be my choice as 
>> it balances speed and comfort.
>>
>> I can't remember if the Roadini has braze-ons for a front rack, but I had 
>> no problem with a Mark's rack and p-clamps on my Ram and didn't have any 
>> handling issues (I shared weight with a saddlebag, so it wasn't "front 
>> loaded").  Many people ride with a handlebar bag (without rack) for food 
>> and use a saddlebag for everything else.  It is nice to stuff layers into 
>> the front rack "rando" bag without having to stop, but (obviously) it is 
>> not necessary.
>>
>> Good luck,
>> Toshi
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Re: [RBW] Best Riv Rando Bike

2023-07-26 Thread 藍俊彪

The roadini doesn't have front rack braze-ons. But saddlebags or
bikepacking style bags would definitely work.

On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 12:15 PM Toshi Takeuchi  wrote:

> The Roadini is worth some consideration.  Many people finish PBP on carbon
> fiber racing bikes, so you could definitely do it with a Roadini and have a
> much more comfortable and pleasant ride.  The Roadini is probably better
> (for me) than the Roadeo because it accommodates wider tires. If I were
> considering a current production bike, then that might be my choice as it
> balances speed and comfort.
>
> I can't remember if the Roadini has braze-ons for a front rack, but I had
> no problem with a Mark's rack and p-clamps on my Ram and didn't have any
> handling issues (I shared weight with a saddlebag, so it wasn't "front
> loaded").  Many people ride with a handlebar bag (without rack) for food
> and use a saddlebag for everything else.  It is nice to stuff layers into
> the front rack "rando" bag without having to stop, but (obviously) it is
> not necessary.
>
> Good luck,
> Toshi
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Re: [RBW] Best Riv Rando Bike

2023-07-26 Thread Toshi Takeuchi

The Roadini is worth some consideration.  Many people finish PBP on carbon
fiber racing bikes, so you could definitely do it with a Roadini and have a
much more comfortable and pleasant ride.  The Roadini is probably better
(for me) than the Roadeo because it accommodates wider tires. If I were
considering a current production bike, then that might be my choice as it
balances speed and comfort.

I can't remember if the Roadini has braze-ons for a front rack, but I had
no problem with a Mark's rack and p-clamps on my Ram and didn't have any
handling issues (I shared weight with a saddlebag, so it wasn't "front
loaded").  Many people ride with a handlebar bag (without rack) for food
and use a saddlebag for everything else.  It is nice to stuff layers into
the front rack "rando" bag without having to stop, but (obviously) it is
not necessary.

Good luck,
Toshi

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Re: [RBW] Best Riv Rando Bike

2023-07-26 Thread 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch

I’m a bit of on outlier, but I completed PBP in 2007 on my Quickbeam, which was 
set up at the time as a fixed gear (since converted to a three-speed IGH). The 
Quickbeam is pretty comfortable for long rides, and easily accommodates fenders 
and wide-ish tires.

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> On Jul 26, 2023, at 8:31 AM, Ed Felker  wrote:
> 
> This is an interesting question. I rode PBP in 2007 on my coupled Riv Bleriot 
> and was comfortable the whole way on Grand Bois 32mm tires. it was a fair bit 
> more forgiving than the stiffer Ritchey Logic 700c I rode in 1999 with 23mm 
> tires. I'm on tandem for PBP this year but if I were to ride PBP solo again, 
> I'd take the Bleriot with 38mm tires. 
> 
> The Riv road-oriented bikes are suitable for randonneur rides with room for 
> wider tires, fenders, and baggage. I see them on brevets in the Mid-Atlantic 
> region. Of the current models, it would for me come down to those with more 
> sloping top tube, the Roadini or the Hilsen.
> 
> I rode the old Boston-Montreal-Boston 1200K on a Rambouillet with 26mm tires 
> -- far too narrow for the roads. It was fine but I preferred the light and 
> lively feel of the 
> Bleriot.
> 
> Ed Felker
> Washington, DC
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 10:46:50 AM UTC-4 ascpgh wrote:
>> Another vote for the Rambouillet here.
>> 
>> Grant described the intent of the Rambouillet to me as a French 
>> audax-inspired bike when I spoke to him about a bike for a cross country 
>> ride (and afterwards) that would be a light load, credit card trip versus 
>> self-supported full touring one. I was calling initially about the custom 
>> queue and wait at the time and he said the production sibling of the 
>> Atlantis was in a container, on the ocean now and sounded like it fit my 
>> bill, so I got one and have loved it since then. 
>> 
>> He described the under-square main triangle (TT> lug, 2° upsloped TT as all aiding producing a higher, closer drop bar 
>> position with a reasonably normal stem. There was a bit of conversation 
>> about frame tubes I don't recall but all producing a fit and ride that 
>> suited long days on the bike, similar to the non-competitive, limited time 
>> riding events that began in Europe. Well suited for a saddlebag and my size 
>> has three sets of bottle cage bosses, single eyelets (for fenders) on the 
>> dropouts front and rear, room for 700 x 35~38 without fenders but optimized 
>> for 32s with them and a pump peg on the back of the head tube. 
>> 
>> The Rambouillet isn't terribly happy with a handlebar/rando bag due to the 
>> trail/wheel flop numbers which can make it a handful when climbing in the 
>> lowest gear. Even without a front load it can want to zig and zag rather 
>> than staying on a straight line. You can ride with no hands very easily at 
>> regular speeds. I rode mine almost fifty miles one handed after a shoulder 
>> injury. 
>> 
>> The 2023 P-B-P will start at the Chateau de Rambouillet supporting my belief 
>> that the model namesake was just about the multi-useful sheep. 
>> 
>> Andy Cheatham
>> Pittsburgh
>> 
>> On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 8:55:10 PM UTC-4 Dick Combs wrote:
>>> Looking for thoughts/opinions on best Riv model for randonneuring. Thanks
>>> 
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Re: [RBW] Best Riv Rando Bike

2023-07-26 Thread Eric Marth

Same as Eric Norris, I say I've never owned a Ram. There are a few young 
randonneurs in San Francisco who both ride Rams and are heading to PBP with 
them this year. 

On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 11:32:36 PM UTC-4 LBleriot wrote:

> I guess the answer depends on your vision/intended use of the rando bike. 
>   I’ve set up my Bleriot as a traditional fendered dyno lit 650B rando rig, 
> but the AHH has front rack eyelets that make use of a front bag easier to 
> set up. I also use my MIT Atlantis into a sort of heavy brevet monster.  
>
> On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 10:48:47 PM UTC-4 campyo...@me.com wrote:
>
>> I’ve never owned one, but I’ve always thought the Rambouillet would do 
>> well as a Rando bike. 
>>
>> –Eric N
>>
>>
>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 5:55 PM, Dick Combs  wrote:
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>> Looking for thoughts/opinions on best Riv model for randonneuring. Thanks
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Re: [RBW] Best Riv Rando Bike

2023-07-25 Thread LBleriot

I guess the answer depends on your vision/intended use of the rando bike.   
I’ve set up my Bleriot as a traditional fendered dyno lit 650B rando rig, 
but the AHH has front rack eyelets that make use of a front bag easier to 
set up. I also use my MIT Atlantis into a sort of heavy brevet monster.  

On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 10:48:47 PM UTC-4 campyo...@me.com wrote:

> I’ve never owned one, but I’ve always thought the Rambouillet would do 
> well as a Rando bike. 
>
> –Eric N
>
>
> On Jul 25, 2023, at 5:55 PM, Dick Combs  wrote:
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Re: [RBW] Best Riv Rando Bike

2023-07-25 Thread 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch

I’ve never owned one, but I’ve always thought the Rambouillet would do well as a Rando bike. –Eric NOn Jul 25, 2023, at 5:55 PM, Dick Combs  wrote:Looking for thoughts/opinions on best Riv model for randonneuring. Thanks



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Re: [RBW] Best Riv Rando Bike

Re: [RBW] Best Riv Rando Bike

Re: [RBW] Best Riv Rando Bike

Re: [RBW] Best Riv Rando Bike

Re: [RBW] Best Riv Rando Bike

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