Re: [RBW] In Praise of the Roadini

[Andrew Erman]

Love the picture and the setup.  I have a similar setup but no view as pretty.

> On Jan 24, 2021, at 2:56 PM, Bones  wrote:
> 
> Here's one more then. Nice freezing cold evening ride.
> 
> Bones
> On Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 12:06:43 PM UTC-5 zem...@gmail.com wrote:
> Austin, let us know how the bike turned out!
> 
> I'm always on the edge of buying this frame when Riv brings them out. Each 
> new positive review brings me a little closer :)
> 
> Zack 
> Toronto/DC
> 
> On Wednesday, January 6, 2021 at 12:48:01 PM UTC-5 aus...@soundcoop.tv 
>  wrote:
> I'm in the process of building up my first Riv, a silver Roadini, and this 
> thread has me mighty excited. Thanks all,
> 
> On Monday, January 4, 2021 at 9:46:01 PM UTC-5 Jeff B wrote:
> Seems I can only post 1 at a time in this thread. Must have been something 
> with the google change,
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Re: [RBW] In Praise of the Roadini

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

42 cm for my Richard Sachs custom (Richard is known for longer-than-usual chain 
stays on a traditional “road” bike) and 43cm for one of my Alex Singers. 1976 
Centurion Pro Tour, built as a “touring” bike in time for the “Bikecentennial,” 
has 44 cm stays. 

They all ride nice, but of course each has a unique feel. 

And yes, I still enjoy riding Patrick’s former Motobecane, which has been part 
of my regular rotation for several years now. 

I should note that both the Singer and Motobecane are built with Reynolds 531, 
which is a truly marvelous tubeset that builds into lively, fun bikes, 
regardless of the geometry.

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> On Apr 26, 2020, at 8:18 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
> 
> My 1973 Motobecane Grand Record had chainstays 44.5 cm long to the center of 
> the long dropouts, identical in length to those of my later 2 Riv Road 
> customs.
> 
> On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 7:08 AM Mark Roland  > wrote:
> Grant did not pioneer chainstay lengths in the 44-46cm range. I currently 
> have 3 vintage road bicycles, designed to have drop bars positioned below the 
> saddle height. Chainstays are 45cm. (I've owned road bikes with 46cm 
> chainstays as well, 57-60cm seat tubes). Handling on my bicycles is 
> excellent. This chainstay range is not atypical for both racing and "sport" 
> bicycles from the 1950s-80s. To imply that the Roadini is not suitable for a 
> lower bar position simply because it did not work for you, not sure that is a 
> valid conclusion. (Obviously can't get a "super racer" drop, as the upslope 
> frame is designed to accommodate higher bar positions--but does not preclude 
> lower up to a point, and depending on how one sizes the frame initially.)
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 12:47:02 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
> I'm not at all faulting your decision to sell your Roadini, but my 2 most 
> recent Road customs have 45 mm stays and define my idea of impeccable 
> handling with bar 3-4 cm below saddle, tho' on 8 cm stems. Dodging potholes 
> is easy! 73* sta, tho' saddle pretty far back on rails.
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Re: [RBW] In Praise of the Roadini

[Andrew Erman]

I love the way your bike looks!  I have a grilvered colored Roadini with 
Albastache bars.  My bike a joy to ride with the more upright positioning 
compared to the drops I used to have.  May your girlfriend have much joy in 
riding this beauty.  Great color.

Andy

> On Apr 21, 2020, at 3:54 PM, Eric G@rs  wrote:
> 
> Your Roadini looks great, Robert. I recently finished building my 
> girlfriend's 47cm Roadini and she loves it. She isn't a fan of drop bars so 
> we opted for Wavie bars. I jacked up the saddle and road it a while as well. 
> Kind of makes me want one for myself... 
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Re: [RBW] In Praise of the Roadini

[Patrick Moore]

I've very definitely felt "tippy" on some bikes; notably certain otherwise
very nice mountain bikes (like my 1996, still-Santa-Cruz-made Bontrager
Race lite) and a certain Fuji Royale road bike, to name the 2 that come
immediately to mind and no, I didn't like that feeling either; the Rivs
have all felt the opposite -- "secure". In fact, come to think of it, that
Fuji only "came into its own" for handling when I put 20 lb in rear
panners; odd.

IME, a frame that makes you feel "in" the bike is by no means necessarily
slower, either in acceleration or in handling.

Anyway enjoy the new Roadini. And please do post a photo.

On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 12:22 PM Dave Grossman  wrote:

> Patrick:  I would describe it simply as feeling less in control of the
>> bike and more of the bike shooting me off.  The twitchiness depending on
>> setup and wheelbase, long and low aerodynamic position, high saddle to bar
>> drop, etc.  The position in the Roadini, the longer headtube, the angles,
>> all make it much more comfortable ride.  I'm sure I'm sacrificing speed to
>> some degree, but that is a non-issue as I'm not racing crits and I don't
>> use Strava.  I just ride, lol.
>>
>
> On Saturday, April 11, 2020 at 10:41:03 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Dave: You are experiencing that almost ineffable Grant-design/Rivendell
>> build bike feel that seems to be a unique quality of all Rivendell models.
>> My own conceptualization of this "feel" is that the bikes are stable while
>> riding straight, but transition into a turn with neither hesitation nor
>> "flop". I've owned 5 Rivendell bikes, 3 customs and a first gen Sam Hill
>> and a second gen (32s with fenders) Ram; all exhibited this quality -- tho'
>> that Sam had a quality I didn't like: when twiddling up steep hills in low
>> gears with weight way back, the front end was darty. Perhaps later Sams
>> don't do this? I didn't find this so with the customs or the Ram.
>>
>> Can you elaborate on what you mean by "feeling like a rock in a
>> slingshot"? (That has to be the most vivid cycling metaphor I've heard in a
>> long time.) I do indeed experience the feeling of being "in the bike" with
>> all those Rivendells; another vivid and worth metaphor.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 7:56 PM Dave Grossman  wrote:
>>
>>> I bought a Roadini frameset a over a year ago and finally got around to
>>> building it up during the crisis.  As a father of small children, my time
>>> to ride outside of family rides and commuting is limited, so I was hesitant
>>> to put money into a road bike.  I couldn't be more glad that I did.
>>>
>>> The bike is the most unaggressive-aggressive bike I have owned.  It has
>>> a terrific riding position (I have a 90 pbh and bought the 61 to be on a
>>> "bigger" bike and it was a good choice), and I feel like I am in the bike
>>> as opposed to feeling like a rock in a slingshot.  It does everything a
>>> road bike should do, and I don't get off feeling beaten by the road.
>>> Anyhow, thanks to Grant for making a bike unlike any other bike brand
>>> today.  I'm proud to be a two Riv garage (I have a Hunq also).
>>>
>>> Build:
>>> Nitto Ui-12 31.8 Stem
>>> Salsa Woodchipper Bars 46cm
>>> Dura Ace 7400 Cranks (49/39)
>>> Dura Ace 7700 Bar Ends
>>> Sram 11-34 9 speed Cassette
>>> Deore 9 RD
>>> Sora FD
>>> Mavic CXP 33s Laced To CK Classics
>>> Schwalbe One 28s
>>> Berthoud Saddle
>>>
>>>
>>> I'll get a pic up soon.
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Re: [RBW] In Praise of the Roadini

[Dave Grossman]

>
> Patrick:  I would describe it simply as feeling less in control of the 
> bike and more of the bike shooting me off.  The twitchiness depending on 
> setup and wheelbase, long and low aerodynamic position, high saddle to bar 
> drop, etc.  The position in the Roadini, the longer headtube, the angles, 
> all make it much more comfortable ride.  I'm sure I'm sacrificing speed to 
> some degree, but that is a non-issue as I'm not racing crits and I don't 
> use Strava.  I just ride, lol.
>

On Saturday, April 11, 2020 at 10:41:03 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Dave: You are experiencing that almost ineffable Grant-design/Rivendell 
> build bike feel that seems to be a unique quality of all Rivendell models. 
> My own conceptualization of this "feel" is that the bikes are stable while 
> riding straight, but transition into a turn with neither hesitation nor 
> "flop". I've owned 5 Rivendell bikes, 3 customs and a first gen Sam Hill 
> and a second gen (32s with fenders) Ram; all exhibited this quality -- tho' 
> that Sam had a quality I didn't like: when twiddling up steep hills in low 
> gears with weight way back, the front end was darty. Perhaps later Sams 
> don't do this? I didn't find this so with the customs or the Ram.
>
> Can you elaborate on what you mean by "feeling like a rock in a 
> slingshot"? (That has to be the most vivid cycling metaphor I've heard in a 
> long time.) I do indeed experience the feeling of being "in the bike" with 
> all those Rivendells; another vivid and worth metaphor.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 7:56 PM Dave Grossman  > wrote:
>
>> I bought a Roadini frameset a over a year ago and finally got around to 
>> building it up during the crisis.  As a father of small children, my time 
>> to ride outside of family rides and commuting is limited, so I was hesitant 
>> to put money into a road bike.  I couldn't be more glad that I did.
>>
>> The bike is the most unaggressive-aggressive bike I have owned.  It has a 
>> terrific riding position (I have a 90 pbh and bought the 61 to be on a 
>> "bigger" bike and it was a good choice), and I feel like I am in the bike 
>> as opposed to feeling like a rock in a slingshot.  It does everything a 
>> road bike should do, and I don't get off feeling beaten by the road.  
>> Anyhow, thanks to Grant for making a bike unlike any other bike brand 
>> today.  I'm proud to be a two Riv garage (I have a Hunq also).
>>
>> Build:
>> Nitto Ui-12 31.8 Stem
>> Salsa Woodchipper Bars 46cm
>> Dura Ace 7400 Cranks (49/39)
>> Dura Ace 7700 Bar Ends
>> Sram 11-34 9 speed Cassette
>> Deore 9 RD
>> Sora FD
>> Mavic CXP 33s Laced To CK Classics
>> Schwalbe One 28s
>> Berthoud Saddle
>>
>>
>> I'll get a pic up soon.
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Re: [RBW] In Praise of the Roadini

[Patrick Moore]

Dave: You are experiencing that almost ineffable Grant-design/Rivendell
build bike feel that seems to be a unique quality of all Rivendell models.
My own conceptualization of this "feel" is that the bikes are stable while
riding straight, but transition into a turn with neither hesitation nor
"flop". I've owned 5 Rivendell bikes, 3 customs and a first gen Sam Hill
and a second gen (32s with fenders) Ram; all exhibited this quality -- tho'
that Sam had a quality I didn't like: when twiddling up steep hills in low
gears with weight way back, the front end was darty. Perhaps later Sams
don't do this? I didn't find this so with the customs or the Ram.

Can you elaborate on what you mean by "feeling like a rock in a slingshot"?
(That has to be the most vivid cycling metaphor I've heard in a long time.)
I do indeed experience the feeling of being "in the bike" with all those
Rivendells; another vivid and worth metaphor.



On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 7:56 PM Dave Grossman  wrote:

> I bought a Roadini frameset a over a year ago and finally got around to
> building it up during the crisis.  As a father of small children, my time
> to ride outside of family rides and commuting is limited, so I was hesitant
> to put money into a road bike.  I couldn't be more glad that I did.
>
> The bike is the most unaggressive-aggressive bike I have owned.  It has a
> terrific riding position (I have a 90 pbh and bought the 61 to be on a
> "bigger" bike and it was a good choice), and I feel like I am in the bike
> as opposed to feeling like a rock in a slingshot.  It does everything a
> road bike should do, and I don't get off feeling beaten by the road.
> Anyhow, thanks to Grant for making a bike unlike any other bike brand
> today.  I'm proud to be a two Riv garage (I have a Hunq also).
>
> Build:
> Nitto Ui-12 31.8 Stem
> Salsa Woodchipper Bars 46cm
> Dura Ace 7400 Cranks (49/39)
> Dura Ace 7700 Bar Ends
> Sram 11-34 9 speed Cassette
> Deore 9 RD
> Sora FD
> Mavic CXP 33s Laced To CK Classics
> Schwalbe One 28s
> Berthoud Saddle
>
>
> I'll get a pic up soon.
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Re: [RBW] In Praise of the Roadini

[Lyman Labry]

Nice. Looking forward to photo!

On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 8:56 PM Dave Grossman  wrote:

> I bought a Roadini frameset a over a year ago and finally got around to
> building it up during the crisis.  As a father of small children, my time
> to ride outside of family rides and commuting is limited, so I was hesitant
> to put money into a road bike.  I couldn't be more glad that I did.
>
> The bike is the most unaggressive-aggressive bike I have owned.  It has a
> terrific riding position (I have a 90 pbh and bought the 61 to be on a
> "bigger" bike and it was a good choice), and I feel like I am in the bike
> as opposed to feeling like a rock in a slingshot.  It does everything a
> road bike should do, and I don't get off feeling beaten by the road.
> Anyhow, thanks to Grant for making a bike unlike any other bike brand
> today.  I'm proud to be a two Riv garage (I have a Hunq also).
>
> Build:
> Nitto Ui-12 31.8 Stem
> Salsa Woodchipper Bars 46cm
> Dura Ace 7400 Cranks (49/39)
> Dura Ace 7700 Bar Ends
> Sram 11-34 9 speed Cassette
> Deore 9 RD
> Sora FD
> Mavic CXP 33s Laced To CK Classics
> Schwalbe One 28s
> Berthoud Saddle
>
>
> I'll get a pic up soon.
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