Re: [RBW] Limiting sugar intake?

2014-07-02 Thread Scott Henry
Rule # http://www.velominati.com/the-rules/#9191
http://www.velominati.com/the-rules/#91
// No Food On Training Rides Under Four Hours.

This one also comes from the Apostle, Johan Museeuw, who said to @frank:
“Yes, no food on rides under four hours. You need to lose some weight.” Or,
as Fignon put it, sometimes, when we train, we simply have to go out to
meet the Man with the Hammer. The exception is, of course, hard rides over
two hours and races. Also, if you’re planning on being out for more than
four hours, start eating before you get hungry. This also applies to energy
drink supplements.


On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 4:50 AM, 'Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch 
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 WWGD? Reading Grant's blights convinced me to cut back on food during
 rides. I think many cyclists (myself included,at times) use the ride as an
 excuse to eat. I've been on group rides that, while only about an hour and
 a half, I would see folks gobbling bars and goo. Even conventional racer
 wisdom says you have enough stored glycogen to go fairly hard for two
 hours. That used to be my standard. Any ride over 2 hrs and I would bring
 bars. After reading what Grant had to say I stated stretching it out. Now 3
 1/2 hrs is where I think about eating. I try to do bars without fructose or
 processed sugar. Idea allay and Kind bars and I keep organic, coconut
 rolled dates. And water. Although I completed my first 400k brevet over the
 weekend and I had stomach issues. But eating for brevets is a completely
 different creature than meandering. Also, for the past several months,
 unless I'm doing long training rides, I only have fresh, homemade (mostly
 veggie but a little fruit) juice during the day, then my ride after work,
 then dinner. Even then a 2-3 hr ride is no problem.

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Re: [RBW] Limiting sugar intake?

2014-07-01 Thread Patrick Moore
If I felt as you did, and I have in similar circumstances, I'd figure
simply that I hadn't eaten enough and I would ensure either that I ate
before leaving or that I carried something with me. I am fortunate in that
I seem to thrive on most real foods (real = not too far from the state of
nature or, if processed, processed by me at home). I find that even a few
bites can make a big difference -- and in fact I don't digest well while
riding and do best with just a bit in my stomach.

I don't abhor sugar, but I don't like very sweet things. My likes: Ranger
cookies, made with half the sugar and full of nuts, oatmeal, and raisins;
PBJ; dried figs; banana bread and other sweetbreads without too much sugar.
In cold weather, not excessively sweet Indian-type chai (forget the spices;
just the basic strong black tea boiled with milk and sugar -- wonderful
pickup). Gatorade or for that matter Coke watered down to 1/2 strength;
iced tea with lemon and sugar. Quartered sandwiches of lunch meat, cheese
-- anything not too Dagwoodish or messy. Oh, Yerba Mate (cooler weather)
with sugar and milk; I don't like the taste but man, is it a pickup. For
that matter, you can drink chain and YM cold in summer, iced coffee too,
for that matter.




On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 11:37 AM, Jim Bronson jim.bron...@gmail.com wrote:

 So my wife's work is doing this Sugar Challenge.  She challenged me to
 also participate.  I said yes, but wanted to exempt myself during long
 rides, i.e., anything longer than say 50 miles, as I like to partake of
 chocolate milk as a refueling drink, along with anything else I might get
 my grubby hands on along the way, like PBJ or a Gatorade.

 Which brought me to a a connundrum.  It's one thing to chug down whatever
 convenience store food one can on a brevet, but the more normal
 meandonneuring type riding is a different story, and something I struggle
 with.  How much sugar and or carbohydrates does one need for a un-racerish,
 un-brevet-ish way of riding?  Something that road-ish Rivendell owners
 might do when going on a normal enjoyable afternoon ride that is good for
 fitness but not exactly going hard?  I mean, if I go out for a nice relaxed
 pace 30 mile ride and I have eaten a PBJ before the ride, a couple of GUs
 during the ride, and another PBJ when I get back, I've diminished the good
 things that riding my bike did for me.

 If I hit 15.5 mph average when I'm riding alone after work it's a good
 day.  If I'm going faster it's usually because I am on back of some sort of
 group or paceline.

 I usually ride 24-35 miles after work 2-3 times a week with the available
 sunlight I have now.  Yesterday was a good example, I rode 24.3 miles
 mostly on the new bike path near my house after arriving home from work
 yesterday.  With this Sugar Challenge on my mind, I did not eat after
 getting home and by the end of the 24.3 miles I felt pretty beat and super
 hungry.  Yes, I avoided getting into the pure sugar based stuff I have
 around the house like GU, which I like to pick up on clearance (16 pack
 case for $5).  But I felt infinitely worse for it.


 https://www.endomondo.com/workouts/365577813/4841064?country=uslang=enmeasure=imperialo=coursefb_action_ids=10203766337747921fb_action_types=fitness.bikesfb_ref=Defaultfb_source=other_multilineaction_object_map=[585561874897003]action_type_map=[%22fitness.bikes%22]action_ref_map=[%22Default%22]

 So, what is the unracer-ish type advice for fueling enough to make you not
 feel beat down when you're out meandering around, but yet still keeps you
 sensibly slim and trim?  (well, as much as a 6'7 260lb rider can say
 they're slim and trim anyway).

 In other words, WWGD?  (what would Grant do?)  Something homemade or
 homespun?


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Re: [RBW] Limiting sugar intake?

2014-07-01 Thread Deacon Patrick
Oh, before I eliminated the carbs and found I no longer needed them even on 
long days of activity, I would eat figs and dates. They fit the the real 
food qualification -- and unless you have become keto-adapted (different 
from just being in ketosis), you lily need to supplement with carbs during 
exercise because you body has not switched to both making it's own glucose 
(in the liver, from proteins, I think) and barely touching the body's very 
limited glucose supply.

With abandon,
Patrick 

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Re: [RBW] Limiting sugar intake?

2014-07-01 Thread Minh
I'm not going to get into a debate about sugar etc, but for a 30 mile ride, 
that sounds like a lot of food to eat.  i know everyone is different but i 
prefer solid foods when i feel like i need to bring food--so i bring a ham 
sandwich or a banana etc.  i'm also a low sugar person and avoid added 
sugar when possible, but it's hard, there is sugar in a lot of pre-packaged 
foods, so if you're not making your own snacks you're taking in more sugar 
then you realize.

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