Re: [RBW] Re: My New Atlantis

[☆ Paul ☆]

Hi Joel.

That looks awesome. I'm going to give that a shot.

Really enthusiastically new to a lot of this. Rad.

On Wednesday, July 15, 2020 at 12:58:59 PM UTC-4 Joel Stern wrote:

>
> I spend a lot f time in the curve of the Albatross bars.  I sit upright 
> far less.  Drops would kill my back but stretching out here is fine and I 
> like how it feels in the curvy part of the bar. 
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 12:25 PM Clark Fitzgerald  
> wrote:
>
>> Those Paul levers are beautiful! If you want even more hand positions try 
>> wrapping the whole bar and the top of the brake levers. Hands on the bends 
>> offer an aggressive, secure position. So versatile.
>>
>> [image: IMG_1058.JPG]
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 14, 2020 at 7:55:14 AM UTC-7 ☆ Paul ☆ wrote:
>>
>>> One more photo, now with narrow saddle & Bille handlebars I stole from 
>>> the other bike... and really long 170mm Odi BMX grips I picked up yesterday 
>>> for $11 (go BMX shop!).
>>>
>>> This set up is kind of ultimate. I spent 2 hours on the bike yesterday 
>>> and found myself moving from mostly upright (hands on end of grips) to a 
>>> bit more aggressive (up at top of grips) all the time, and it is kind of 
>>> amazing. Paul brake levers are long enough so that I can stopfrom all hand 
>>> positions.
>>>
>>> Also Yokozuna brake housing makes an appreciable difference in braking 
>>> power over standard Jagwire housing. Which may be pointless in the city, 
>>> but it sure feels nice to stop with a bang.
>>>
>>> Fenders next whenever they arrive.
>>>
>>> XO Paul
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_0996 2.jpeg]
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, July 14, 2020 at 10:46:25 AM UTC-4 ☆ Paul ☆ wrote:
>>>
 Hi Doug.

 I'm pretty set up with bikes for the moment, but I'm trying to sort out 
 if an older (horizontal top-tube) 56cm Atlantis will fit my friend, who is 
 5'10-ish.

 P

 On Tuesday, July 14, 2020 at 12:45:01 AM UTC-4 dougP wrote:

> Paul:
>
> Thanks for the chainguard info.  I'll look into it.
>
> Not sure what the max tire size with fenders is.  The Toyos were rated 
> at 52 mm for 700c (58 cm & up) and 2.1 for 26" (56 cm & below), but no 
> mention of whether that was with fenders.  I've had 45 mm Schwalbe 
> Marathon 
> Supremes on with fenders and still had clearance.  Tires vary so much in 
> actual size it's hard to make an educated guess.  
>
> What size is the one you are looking at?
>
> dougP
>
> On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 2:12:06 PM UTC-7, ☆ Paul ☆ wrote:
>>
>> Hi Doug,
>>
>> Thanks for your reply.
>>
>> It's interesting, because a lot of long wheelbase bikes have too much 
>> rake up front, which makes the front feel kind of sloggy. The new 
>> Atlantis 
>> has a tight enough rake, just a long rear end, and so it still feels 
>> relatively agile. Very cleverly done.
>>
>> What is the max tire size on your older Atlantis with fenders? I've 
>> seen those and they look so nice. There's an amazing black one for sale 
>> right now on eBay. 
>>
>> The crank is a New Albion w/ 42T.  Actually, it comes stock as a 
>> 42/33 but I just took off the small chainring. It's great because it has 
>> a 
>> bash guard built in (you have to flip the guard around if you want to 
>> run 
>> it as a 1x to give more clearance) and also because it's really a Sugino 
>> crank (comes out of the same mold as the XD2 I think). If you use a 
>> 36/12 
>> cassette as a 1x9 or 1x10 you're pretty much dialed unless you're really 
>> mountain biking crazy rough terrain. You can get it from Soma.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 4:48:57 PM UTC-4 dougP wrote:
>>
>>> Paul:
>>>
>>> BTW, the 1 x 10 is not unusual.  If it does what you need done, it's 
>>> right for you.  Long ago, Grant said something to the effect that a 
>>> bike 
>>> frame was just a place to hang all the parts you need for what you want 
>>> to 
>>> do with your bike.  I doubt there are too many Rivendells out there 
>>> that 
>>> are duplicates.
>>>
>>> What chainguard are you using?  It gives the bike a nice, clean look.
>>>
>>> dougP
>>>
>>> On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 7:46:18 AM UTC-7, ☆ Paul ☆ wrote:
>>>
 Hello Everyone. I'm new-is here.

 Almost finished building up my new Atlantis MIT and thought I'd 
 share it. *What does MIT stand for, anyway?*

 Finally coming to the realization that a really upright geometry 
 makes me happiest. Being a bit slower, I force my friends to slow down 
 too 
 and conversation is the result.

 A little bit unconventionally for a Rivendell (I think?) I mounted 
 a 1x10 SRAM drivetrain, which works brilliantly on this frame. Also 
 took 
 The Deacon's 

Re: [RBW] Re: My New Atlantis

[Joel Stern]

Well my AR used 26” rims, that was my reference.  Sometimes I don’t have
all or of the nomenclature. And I probably did not understand the post
properly.

On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 8:23 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Joel: I guess you meant to say that you don't like 29" tires? Excuse if I
> misread.
>
> Here's what I've found after comparing the very light, very short,
> 24.8"-tall, ~28 mm wide, Elk Pass-shod wheels on my 26" wheel road bikes
> with the 29.6"-tall, 60 mm-wide tires on my dirt road bike: at least with
> very light Velocity Blunt SS rims and very, *very* light Schwalbe Big
> Ones, there is surprisingly less difference than you might expect when
> accelerating from a standstill; and note: I don't gear down at stops; I
> stand and torque.
>
> Patrick Moore, who has more than once before figured he could just fit a
> 26" wheel Atlantis -- by preference! -- in ABQ, NM.
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 4:46 PM Joel Stern  wrote:
>
>> It’s a great looking bike.  I don’t like 26” wheels either but love 659b.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 6:14 PM ☆ Paul ☆  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Joel.
>>>
>>> It's a 53cm, actually.
>>>
>>> I'm 5' 11" with a 34-ish PBH (longer torso). Fits me really well.
>>>
>>> I suppose the next size up would have worked as well, I'd just have to
>>> have used a shorter stem and you'd see less seatpost... but I wanted 650B
>>> wheels — I dislike fat tires on 29'er wheels, too hard to get moving at a
>>> stoplight. 
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: My New Atlantis

[Patrick Moore]

Joel: I guess you meant to say that you don't like 29" tires? Excuse if I
misread.

Here's what I've found after comparing the very light, very short,
24.8"-tall, ~28 mm wide, Elk Pass-shod wheels on my 26" wheel road bikes
with the 29.6"-tall, 60 mm-wide tires on my dirt road bike: at least with
very light Velocity Blunt SS rims and very, *very* light Schwalbe Big Ones,
there is surprisingly less difference than you might expect when
accelerating from a standstill; and note: I don't gear down at stops; I
stand and torque.

Patrick Moore, who has more than once before figured he could just fit a
26" wheel Atlantis -- by preference! -- in ABQ, NM.




On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 4:46 PM Joel Stern  wrote:

> It’s a great looking bike.  I don’t like 26” wheels either but love 659b.
>
> On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 6:14 PM ☆ Paul ☆  wrote:
>
>> Hi Joel.
>>
>> It's a 53cm, actually.
>>
>> I'm 5' 11" with a 34-ish PBH (longer torso). Fits me really well.
>>
>> I suppose the next size up would have worked as well, I'd just have to
>> have used a shorter stem and you'd see less seatpost... but I wanted 650B
>> wheels — I dislike fat tires on 29'er wheels, too hard to get moving at a
>> stoplight. 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: My New Atlantis

[Joel Stern]

It’s a great looking bike.  I don’t like 26” wheels either but love 659b.

On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 6:14 PM ☆ Paul ☆  wrote:

> Hi Joel.
>
> It's a 53cm, actually.
>
> I'm 5' 11" with a 34-ish PBH (longer torso). Fits me really well.
>
> I suppose the next size up would have worked as well, I'd just have to
> have used a shorter stem and you'd see less seatpost... but I wanted 650B
> wheels — I dislike fat tires on 29'er wheels, too hard to get moving at a
> stoplight. 
>
> That's a 120mm long nitto stem on there right now!
>
> On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 5:46:04 PM UTC-4 Joel Stern wrote:
>
>> Paul, is that a 52 or 54? I am curious about your PBH and what size you
>> went for, and it looks like the top of the step is equal to the saddle.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 10:46:18 AM UTC-4, ☆ Paul ☆ wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Everyone. I'm new-is here.
>>>
>>> Almost finished building up my new Atlantis MIT and thought I'd share
>>> it. *What does MIT stand for, anyway?*
>>>
>>> Finally coming to the realization that a really upright geometry makes
>>> me happiest. Being a bit slower, I force my friends to slow down too and
>>> conversation is the result.
>>>
>>> A little bit unconventionally for a Rivendell (I think?) I mounted a
>>> 1x10 SRAM drivetrain, which works brilliantly on this frame. Also took The
>>> Deacon's advice and put the lovely Berthoud Mente saddle on, and committed
>>> to ride the brick till it's comfortable... but a few days ago I chickened
>>> out and dunked it in a bucket of warm water and put on lots of mink oil
>>> (scary advice from the Internet, but WTF)... and it worked! Already
>>> super-comfy.
>>>
>>> Still waiting on VO fenders, and a Nitto seatpost to match the stem. The
>>> new G-One Speed tires are amazing, these are 50C and they roll so fast,
>>> like much smaller tires.
>>>
>>> Having trouble posting more than one image, will put-up more upon
>>> request.
>>>
>>> (PS: I finished a very similar build on a twin-top-tube Sam Hillborne
>>> for a charity auction, and I ended up buying it myself, long story. It's a
>>> little too big and I may put up for sale at some point soon... will post
>>> when I do.)
>>>
>>> I love the positivity on this forum. Much love to everyone,
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>> [image: 1.jpeg]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: My New Atlantis

[☆ Paul ☆]

Thanks for the reply and info James.

Yes, the Atlantis is really, really long. I've designed my own frames but 
nothing this long, and it's just awesome, I feel like a kid riding a 
Stingray. Especially with new rubber fast tires.

The Sam H I built up has similar components (1x10) but had lower Billie 
bars and 35c tires. My original idea was the Sam would be a faster bike for 
gravel rides (we have a lot of dirt roads in Vermont), and the Atlantis 
more of a 100% upright town cruiser.  But I just flipped bars (Bosco to 
Sam, Billie Bars to Atlantis) and saddles between the bikes and some how 
it's better: upright narrow tire Sam H, very dignified, and the Atlantis is 
*slightly* more aggressive with fat tires and the Billie Bar. 

Also just realized I can slide the brakes and shifter way up the Billie Bar 
towards the front of the bike, which gives me a ton of hand positions on 
the Atlantis. Going to ride over to the BMX shop if it doesn't thunderstorm 
and see if they have some old-fashioned 170mm flangeless grips.

Starting to think I'm going to end up keeping both bikes for a while and 
not sell the Sam, at least yet. Bleh. My garage is full!

All this on my lunch hour. 

XO

Paul

On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 1:10:44 PM UTC-4 jamesj...@gmail.com wrote:

> Paul, 
>
> Wonderful build, my friend. 
>
> Atlantis-es been built in Japan by Toyo in the early 2000s and then by 
> Waterford in the US until a few years ago when Riv offered up a MIT 
> version. However, I have heard whispers that if you throw down enough cash 
> that you can still get a MUSA (Made in the USA) Atlantis.
>
> On July 14, 2017 (happy early bday to my Atlantis, I got a Waterford-built 
> Atlantis right before the change to geometry to longer chainstays and moved 
> production to Taiwan. After ordering In September of 2016, I waited some 
> 8-10 months because Waterford ran out of the chainstays that used to come 
> on the previous version and the chain stay maker (true temper) left the 
> steel market. I don’t know if that led to the change in geo or just was the 
> final pebble that toppled over the load in helping them reconceptualize the 
> geometry of the Atlantis.
>
> The long chainstays are wonderful. I enjoy them on my Clem. I am sure you 
> were enjoy them on your Atlantis.
>
> Best,
> James Gardner Davis
> Denver
>
> On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 10:54 AM ☆ Paul ☆  wrote:
>
>> Thank you Steve. Were they all American made before this?
>>
>> Taiwan makes some amazing bikes.
>>
>> On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 11:26:39 AM UTC-4 Steve Cole wrote:
>>
>>> MIT = Made in Taiwan
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 10:46:18 AM UTC-4, ☆ Paul ☆ wrote:

 Hello Everyone. I'm new-is here.

 Almost finished building up my new Atlantis MIT and thought I'd share 
 it. *What does MIT stand for, anyway?*

 Finally coming to the realization that a really upright geometry makes 
 me happiest. Being a bit slower, I force my friends to slow down too and 
 conversation is the result.

 A little bit unconventionally for a Rivendell (I think?) I mounted a 
 1x10 SRAM drivetrain, which works brilliantly on this frame. Also took The 
 Deacon's advice and put the lovely Berthoud Mente saddle on, and committed 
 to ride the brick till it's comfortable... but a few days ago I chickened 
 out and dunked it in a bucket of warm water and put on lots of mink oil 
 (scary advice from the Internet, but WTF)... and it worked! Already 
 super-comfy.

 Still waiting on VO fenders, and a Nitto seatpost to match the stem. 
 The new G-One Speed tires are amazing, these are 50C and they roll so 
 fast, 
 like much smaller tires. 

 Having trouble posting more than one image, will put-up more upon 
 request.

 (PS: I finished a very similar build on a twin-top-tube Sam Hillborne 
 for a charity auction, and I ended up buying it myself, long story. It's a 
 little too big and I may put up for sale at some point soon... will post 
 when I do.)

 I love the positivity on this forum. Much love to everyone, 

 Paul

 [image: 1.jpeg]




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Re: [RBW] Re: My New Atlantis

[James Davis]

Paul,

Wonderful build, my friend.

Atlantis-es been built in Japan by Toyo in the early 2000s and then by
Waterford in the US until a few years ago when Riv offered up a MIT
version. However, I have heard whispers that if you throw down enough cash
that you can still get a MUSA (Made in the USA) Atlantis.

On July 14, 2017 (happy early bday to my Atlantis, I got a Waterford-built
Atlantis right before the change to geometry to longer chainstays and moved
production to Taiwan. After ordering In September of 2016, I waited some
8-10 months because Waterford ran out of the chainstays that used to come
on the previous version and the chain stay maker (true temper) left the
steel market. I don’t know if that led to the change in geo or just was the
final pebble that toppled over the load in helping them reconceptualize the
geometry of the Atlantis.

The long chainstays are wonderful. I enjoy them on my Clem. I am sure you
were enjoy them on your Atlantis.

Best,
James Gardner Davis
Denver

On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 10:54 AM ☆ Paul ☆  wrote:

> Thank you Steve. Were they all American made before this?
>
> Taiwan makes some amazing bikes.
>
> On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 11:26:39 AM UTC-4 Steve Cole wrote:
>
>> MIT = Made in Taiwan
>>
>>
>> On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 10:46:18 AM UTC-4, ☆ Paul ☆ wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello Everyone. I'm new-is here.
>>>
>>> Almost finished building up my new Atlantis MIT and thought I'd share
>>> it. *What does MIT stand for, anyway?*
>>>
>>> Finally coming to the realization that a really upright geometry makes
>>> me happiest. Being a bit slower, I force my friends to slow down too and
>>> conversation is the result.
>>>
>>> A little bit unconventionally for a Rivendell (I think?) I mounted a
>>> 1x10 SRAM drivetrain, which works brilliantly on this frame. Also took The
>>> Deacon's advice and put the lovely Berthoud Mente saddle on, and committed
>>> to ride the brick till it's comfortable... but a few days ago I chickened
>>> out and dunked it in a bucket of warm water and put on lots of mink oil
>>> (scary advice from the Internet, but WTF)... and it worked! Already
>>> super-comfy.
>>>
>>> Still waiting on VO fenders, and a Nitto seatpost to match the stem. The
>>> new G-One Speed tires are amazing, these are 50C and they roll so fast,
>>> like much smaller tires.
>>>
>>> Having trouble posting more than one image, will put-up more upon
>>> request.
>>>
>>> (PS: I finished a very similar build on a twin-top-tube Sam Hillborne
>>> for a charity auction, and I ended up buying it myself, long story. It's a
>>> little too big and I may put up for sale at some point soon... will post
>>> when I do.)
>>>
>>> I love the positivity on this forum. Much love to everyone,
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>> [image: 1.jpeg]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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