Re: [RBW] Re: New Hunqapillar frame geometry

[Zach Duval]

Please, please let them include even an ever-so-slight tire clearance 
increase...

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Hunqapillar frame geometry

[dstein]

I'm with Bill on ROADINI I'm stoked to hear about that. But yes, also, 
kinda want the 650b Hunqapillar to replace my 26", just because. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Hunqapillar frame geometry

[iamkeith]

Deacon Patrick, im sure you're probably right.  I like my 26" road bike for the 
exact reasons you mention.  So as my default, hybrid, spontaneous grab-and-go, 
do everything bike (which is what i've wanted this for), 650b might be good.  
Its the smoothing of rough surfaces that really appeals to me about the larger 
diameter wheel though - moreso than the momentum they carry.  Like you, i don't 
see a lot of pavement.  Also, i built up this too-big clem thinking that if a 
56 hunq ever came along (stock or custom), i could just swap components over...

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Hunqapillar frame geometry

[Deacon Patrick]

Och! I meant to add my conclusion: you are right to drool over the 
Hunqapillar. It is a spectacular go everywhere do everything bike. I 
delight that I can happily ride asphalt a long way and turn off and ride 
dirt and technical single track and while a dual suspension downhiller or 
road specialist might be faster/smoother through individual pieces, they 
can't do what I do nearly as fast and fun as I do. And if my experience on 
singletrack is any indication, most with dual suspension lack the trail 
skills on technical bits so they LCG bits that I ride with my Hunqapillar 
any way. Fancy technology can augment skill in small ways (and in racing 
that matters), but it's can't compensate for lack of skill. The Hunqapillar 
is all about fun and go wherever you want without worry that your bike 
can't do it. This makes it so day rides to single track include miles of 
asphalt and dirt road, and I needn't get driven to the trails (I don't 
drive), and it means bikepacking is easy: go wherever I want! Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, July 19, 2016 at 4:00:07 PM UTC-6, iamkeith wrote:
>
> So it looks like it’s official!  Has anyone local to RBWHQ seen a sample 
> frame or drawings for the new 56cm Hunq?!   
>
>  
>
> This has been my dream Riv for many years, but I’m having trouble 
> visualizing it now that it has 650 wheels.   I guess I’m not blindly and 
> ignorantly opposed to the idea like I was when the Bombadil came out but, 
> having since experienced a 29+ mountain bike, I’m pretty sold on the idea 
> that the biggest diameter possible is best for rough trails.
>
>  
>
> Given that wheel size, I’m guessing that the chainstays were NOT 
> lengthened significantly?  Or maybe it was to make the head tube long 
> enough to fit a diagatube?   I’d love to hear or see any inside or 
> first-hand info that anybody has to share.  Good news no matter what…
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Hunqapillar frame geometry

[Chad]

LOL, I just got the Riv newsletter as well.  A 650b 50cm Hunqa sounds like my 
dream bike!  Might have to sell my Sam and my Roadeo...

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Hunqapillar frame geometry

[Deacon Patrick]

Hey Keith,

I'm just going to address the 650b vs 29er on a Hunqapillar issue (I've no 
info on the new geometry). My basic thought is it doesn't matter 
significantly one way or the other. The plusses and minuses offset each 
other on varied terrain. Keep in mind I'm on a 62 Hunqa with 29er wheels. 
Maintain momentum easily over obstacles but starting, breaking, and long 
climbs all take a hit. Reverse that if it was 650B instead. I'm big, dumb, 
and stupid (enough to include dumb and stupid together and meaning the same 
thing to prove my point. Grin.), so the endurance thing isn't a big deal to 
me either way and I am just delighted to get to ride big, dumb, and stupid 
stuff! Grin. Grant's already sweated the details, and I have always found 
that trusting him is the perfect way to go in getting an amazing ride.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, July 19, 2016 at 4:00:07 PM UTC-6, iamkeith wrote:
>
> So it looks like it’s official!  Has anyone local to RBWHQ seen a sample 
> frame or drawings for the new 56cm Hunq?!   
>
>  
>
> This has been my dream Riv for many years, but I’m having trouble 
> visualizing it now that it has 650 wheels.   I guess I’m not blindly and 
> ignorantly opposed to the idea like I was when the Bombadil came out but, 
> having since experienced a 29+ mountain bike, I’m pretty sold on the idea 
> that the biggest diameter possible is best for rough trails.
>
>  
>
> Given that wheel size, I’m guessing that the chainstays were NOT 
> lengthened significantly?  Or maybe it was to make the head tube long 
> enough to fit a diagatube?   I’d love to hear or see any inside or 
> first-hand info that anybody has to share.  Good news no matter what…
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Hunqapillar frame geometry

[iamkeith]

So it looks like it’s official!  Has anyone local to RBWHQ seen a sample 
frame or drawings for the new 56cm Hunq?!   

 

This has been my dream Riv for many years, but I’m having trouble 
visualizing it now that it has 650 wheels.   I guess I’m not blindly and 
ignorantly opposed to the idea like I was when the Bombadil came out but, 
having since experienced a 29+ mountain bike, I’m pretty sold on the idea 
that the biggest diameter possible is best for rough trails.

 

Given that wheel size, I’m guessing that the chainstays were NOT lengthened 
significantly?  Or maybe it was to make the head tube long enough to fit a 
diagatube?   I’d love to hear or see any inside or first-hand info that 
anybody has to share.  Good news no matter what…

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Hunqapillar frame geometry

[Mark Reimer]

I dream of a hunq with 3" tires. But I'm not sure that's possible with rim 
brakes. Ah well. 

> On Dec 18, 2015, at 5:51 PM, Zach Duval  wrote:
> 
> IF increasing the chainstay length adds greater tire clearance, I'd also be 
> all for it, even though I'm still a naysayer when it comes to overall bike 
> length improving MTB handling (for the reasons mentioned above). But I still 
> dream of a Hunq that'd fit up to 2.5s...
> 
> I hope Riv publishes a more thorough description of the changes soon, 
> including the chainstay length for specific sizes.
> 
> 
>> On Wednesday, December 16, 2015 at 7:50:35 PM UTC-7, Jim S. wrote:
>> Hi all, 
>> 
>> I saw on the Blug today that AHH, Atlantis, and Hunqapillar are getting 
>> longer in 2016. I had been thinking about buying a Hunqapillar. But now I'm 
>> wondering whether a longer, 2016 Hunqapillar is worth waiting for? Does 
>> anyone have any thoughts about the effect that the longer frame will have on 
>> the ride?
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Re: [RBW] Re: New Hunqapillar frame geometry

[Zach Duval]

Being a smaller fellow (who'd ride a 48 Hunq), I think 2.5s would give me 
enough pneumatic suspension that, paired with elbows and knees) would be 
sufficient for mostly any trails I'd be interested in.

2.5 is definitely possible with rim brakes?

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Hunqapillar frame geometry

[EGNolan]

They sold this one off a while back, it had been a shop bike, w/ Nitto 
Noodle's & canti-brakes, so pretty sure 3" & rim brakes are okay, just not 
sure Riv will make the needed concessions to do 
so... 
https://thelazyrando.wordpress.com/2013/06/07/surly-pugsley-in-the-rivendell-reader-circa-2007/
 

On Friday, December 18, 2015 at 7:14:18 PM UTC-5, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
> I dream of a hunq with 3" tires. But I'm not sure that's possible with rim 
> brakes. Ah well. 
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Hunqapillar frame geometry

[cyclotourist]

Interesting conversation. I don't really notice chainstay length one way or
another on the road, but for me, climbing singletrack isn't as fun with
longer stays. I end up spinning out the back tire with my longer-stayed
bike. I have to alter my preferred position to weigh down the back, which
means I then have to lower my torso to keep the front end down. On my
shorter-stayed bikes, I can just sit and spin (as they say) up the
singletrack. I can also remedy this by putting a more aggressive, grippier
tire on the back, but that kinda' sucks for the road portion of the ride.

tl;dr short stays work better for me on singletrack

On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 7:02 PM, Zed Martinez 
wrote:

> Conversely, I rather like the long stays on my Clem (though, can't speak
> for any singletrack stuff there). They don't really slow me down any on the
> hairpin at the bottom of a hill I take every day to get on a trail (though
> I do now need to put a knee out to do it at the same speeds as my 650b
> converted 80's Fuji road could), and on every other turn on the trail my
> handling is now far more confident, especially when it's wet and covered in
> sticks and leaves. The rear wheel always wanted to slide out before, now
> even with the same tires I was using previously the turns are a lot less
> worrisome. Add in the bigger tires rolling over more sticks without
> deflecting, and it's been a lot better experience for me, the 52cm
> chainstays.
>
>
> On Thursday, December 17, 2015 at 9:30:32 PM UTC-5, masmojo wrote:
>>
>> I am generally in tune with the changes & long chain stays, but too long
>> is too long.
>> We have two Clementines,  a small & a medium & in my opinion the chain
>> stays on both are too long. The small one is only a little too long (1/4"
>> ?) The medium on the other hand is probably almost an inch too long.
>> While it's true there is little downside to longer chain stays, there are
>> a few. Bottom bracket deflection is one, tubes have to be made thicker to
>> ward off flex of a longer frame otherwise you tend to get ghost shifting
>> when standing on the pedals while climbing or sprinting also it slows
>> handling; I am still adjusting my riding style on the Clementine, because I
>> have been going off the outside of turns when traveling quickly, combined
>> with the upright riding position I find I need to lean the bike more & use
>> a bit of body English to turn confidently.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: New Hunqapillar frame geometry

[Joe Bunik]

Post of the Day Award goes to Jeff!!!
=- Joe Bunik
Nut Creek CA

On 12/16/15, sameness  wrote:
> The Roadeo will also have clearance for 55s and three top tubes.
>
> Jeff Hagedorn
> Los Angeles, CA USA
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