Re: [RBW] Re: Question 27 wheel conversion to 700c wheels and maybe to 650b
Two Marathons = a kilogram. 3-1/2 folding Paselas TG = a kilogram On Wednesday, March 27, 2013 5:50:46 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote: I've had similar very annoying experiences, and have always found a cause located inside the tire: a slipping rim strip; a loose wire bead; a penetrant stuck inside the casing and impossible to find just by looking at the tread. To paraphrase Dr Johnson, such an excess of flats is not in nature. (Johnson said, Such an excess of stupidity, Sir, is not in nature.) On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 3:37 PM, Steve Palincsar pali...@his.comjavascript: wrote: On Wed, 2013-03-27 at 13:35 -0700, Kainalu wrote: I got flats every 1/3rd of a mile with gatorskins. Sometimes it's fun to breakdown and repair, the satisfaction of rolling again after a forced stop is great! But if you'd rather just ride your bike straight through the day go with the schwalbes. Riding over a carpet of goatheads? A bed of nails? Otherwise, it's hard to see how you could have so many flats... unless, of course, you're having the same flat over and over again because you forgot to remove the glass shard/carpet tack/whatever? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- __ BUSINESS BUILDING COME-ON!! $300 off a $600 resume + letter or Linked In profile package with referral that leads to full price sale! Refer two full-pay clients and you get the package for free! I am not cheap, but I am very good. So they say. http://resumespecialties.com/testimonials.html Patrick Moore, Ph.D, MBA, ACRW, Albuquerque, NM, USA http://resumespecialties.com/index.html * patric...@resumespecialties.comjavascript: __ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Question 27 wheel conversion to 700c wheels and maybe to 650b
I got flats every 1/3rd of a mile with gatorskins. Sometimes it's fun to breakdown and repair, the satisfaction of rolling again after a forced stop is great! But if you'd rather just ride your bike straight through the day go with the schwalbes. -Kai -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Question 27 wheel conversion to 700c wheels and maybe to 650b
On Wed, 2013-03-27 at 13:35 -0700, Kainalu wrote: I got flats every 1/3rd of a mile with gatorskins. Sometimes it's fun to breakdown and repair, the satisfaction of rolling again after a forced stop is great! But if you'd rather just ride your bike straight through the day go with the schwalbes. Riding over a carpet of goatheads? A bed of nails? Otherwise, it's hard to see how you could have so many flats... unless, of course, you're having the same flat over and over again because you forgot to remove the glass shard/carpet tack/whatever? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Question 27 wheel conversion to 700c wheels and maybe to 650b
I've had similar very annoying experiences, and have always found a cause located inside the tire: a slipping rim strip; a loose wire bead; a penetrant stuck inside the casing and impossible to find just by looking at the tread. To paraphrase Dr Johnson, such an excess of flats is not in nature. (Johnson said, Such an excess of stupidity, Sir, is not in nature.) On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 3:37 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Wed, 2013-03-27 at 13:35 -0700, Kainalu wrote: I got flats every 1/3rd of a mile with gatorskins. Sometimes it's fun to breakdown and repair, the satisfaction of rolling again after a forced stop is great! But if you'd rather just ride your bike straight through the day go with the schwalbes. Riding over a carpet of goatheads? A bed of nails? Otherwise, it's hard to see how you could have so many flats... unless, of course, you're having the same flat over and over again because you forgot to remove the glass shard/carpet tack/whatever? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- __ BUSINESS BUILDING COME-ON!! $300 off a $600 resume + letter or Linked In profile package with referral that leads to full price sale! Refer two full-pay clients and you get the package for free! I am not cheap, but I am very good. So they say. http://resumespecialties.com/testimonials.html Patrick Moore, Ph.D, MBA, ACRW, Albuquerque, NM, USA http://resumespecialties.com/index.html * patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com __ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Question 27 wheel conversion to 700c wheels and maybe to 650b
Yeah, I was exaggerating. My point was gatorskins=bad, schwalbes=good -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Question 27 wheel conversion to 700c wheels and maybe to 650b
On Tue, 2013-03-26 at 00:27 -0700, IanA wrote: Why are you wanting to convert from 27 (630) to 700c (622)? It's not a noticeable difference. The tire/rim availability of 700c is the only real reason (and there would be a fraction more clearance with 700c), but there are various options for the old 27 (630) standard. Jensonusa.com carry a fair selection of tires and even have a budget price wheelset for screw on freewheel that works for 126mm spacing. There are many more tires available in 622 than 630, and there are no high-end top quality tires in 630 any more. That's enough reason for many. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Question 27 wheel conversion to 700c wheels and maybe to 650b
Actually Schwable, Panaracer and Continetial to name a few still make good quality 27inch tires. I agree that you do have more options with 700c but that doesn't mean there are no good options for 27inch. Hugh check my posting here is you want to see what your options are today for 27 inch wheels http://ryansrebuilds.blogspot.com/2013/02/myth-busted-there-are-very-few-options.html On Tuesday, March 26, 2013 4:48:19 AM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote: On Tue, 2013-03-26 at 00:27 -0700, IanA wrote: Why are you wanting to convert from 27 (630) to 700c (622)? It's not a noticeable difference. The tire/rim availability of 700c is the only real reason (and there would be a fraction more clearance with 700c), but there are various options for the old 27 (630) standard. Jensonusa.com carry a fair selection of tires and even have a budget price wheelset for screw on freewheel that works for 126mm spacing. There are many more tires available in 622 than 630, and there are no high-end top quality tires in 630 any more. That's enough reason for many. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Question 27 wheel conversion to 700c wheels and maybe to 650b
On Tue, 2013-03-26 at 05:59 -0700, Ron Mc wrote: I agree there are many good 27 tires still made, including Pasela TG folding bead - Nashbar just got a new inventory of these. Schwalbe Marathons and Contis at the other end of the weight and toughness spectrum. Just to be clear: I never said there were no good 27 tires. I said there were no high-end top quality tires in that size. To me the Pasela TG is an economy tire. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Question 27 wheel conversion to 700c wheels and maybe to 650b
On Tue, 2013-03-26 at 13:07 -0700, James Warren wrote: On an older 27 road frame, switching to 700C on a frame with Sidepull brakes is hassle-free, but on a frame with cantilever brakes, there will often be problems with pad alignment. Freedom from hassles is a matter of having sufficient reach. I recall seeing some 27 sidepull frames back in the day that had enormous clearance, and barely made it with long reach sidepulls. You may have issues with a frame like that. With cantilevers, some frames and some brakes have room to move the pads down. Others do not. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Question 27 wheel conversion to 700c wheels and maybe to 650b
i will echo what steve says, measure! i made the same assumption a few years ago (still have the bike), and did the conversion because the existing wheels were chromed steel (in poor condition), the back was no issue even with short reach side-pulls. but the front fork had tons of tire clearance already, so switching out to even long reach side-pulls didn't work, i used a make-shift drop-bolt for a few years until i found a crazy long reach sidepull (~75mm ish) made by shimano which i'm using now. This was not an uncommon occurence as i think campy or dia-compe made machined drop bolts a long time ago. On Tuesday, March 26, 2013 4:14:59 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote: On Tue, 2013-03-26 at 13:07 -0700, James Warren wrote: On an older 27 road frame, switching to 700C on a frame with Sidepull brakes is hassle-free, but on a frame with cantilever brakes, there will often be problems with pad alignment. Freedom from hassles is a matter of having sufficient reach. I recall seeing some 27 sidepull frames back in the day that had enormous clearance, and barely made it with long reach sidepulls. You may have issues with a frame like that. With cantilevers, some frames and some brakes have room to move the pads down. Others do not. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Question 27 wheel conversion to 700c wheels and maybe to 650b
Fair enough Steve, how would you rate the Conti Gator Skins or Schwalbe Marathons which also have 27x1 1/4 options? On Tuesday, March 26, 2013 1:00:48 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote: On Tue, 2013-03-26 at 05:59 -0700, Ron Mc wrote: I agree there are many good 27 tires still made, including Pasela TG folding bead - Nashbar just got a new inventory of these. Schwalbe Marathons and Contis at the other end of the weight and toughness spectrum. Just to be clear: I never said there were no good 27 tires. I said there were no high-end top quality tires in that size. To me the Pasela TG is an economy tire. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Question 27 wheel conversion to 700c wheels and maybe to 650b
On Tue, 2013-03-26 at 13:45 -0700, RoadieRyan wrote: Fair enough Steve, how would you rate the Conti Gator Skins or Schwalbe Marathons which also have 27x1 1/4 options? I don't know Contis at all. The Marathons are a heavy duty touring tire. Where do they sit in Schwalbe's hierarchy? Scanning their site quickly it looks as though it's roughly comparable to the Pasela in Panaracer's hierarchy, and not one of their high end tires. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
