Re: [RBW] Re: Rene Herse Tires with tubes

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks, Ted; your remarks incline me further toward trying tubulars, fatter
than 22 mm, but still "road" width.

On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 4:07 PM ted  wrote:

> Patrick M,
>
> Hm.
>
> First I'd encourage anybody who hasn't used tubulars, is up for the gluing
> aspect, and has an interest in it to give them a try.
>
> Though I like my RH tires, I think comparing RH tires to tubulars is sort
> of apples to oranges. The tubulars I rode were 21 or 22 mm road racing (or
> training) tires. The good ones had a round cross section even before you
> inflated them, and they all had a round cross section when inflated. The
> effect of that roundness may have been primarily psychological, but somehow
> tubulars never felt as narrow as 23mm clinchers do to me. The tubulars gave
> a remarkably comfy ride even pumped to ~100psi. They also gave very
> immediate and responsive handling. It's possible the different wheel types
> played a roll too. I used light low profile rims like Arc En Ciel, and
> gl330 or gl280. I think even a "light" clincher rim like the Pacenti Brevet
> or the MA-40s that were ubiquitous in the 90s is significantly stiffer than
> those old tubular rims. Surely the more aero rims common today are.
> I don't think my recollections are good enough to pass judgement on the
> relative rolling resistance compared to tires I ride these days, but I'd
> hazard a guess that they (the good hand made tubulars) roll more easily.
>
> Most of the tires I ride now are a lot bigger than a road tubular. I like
> them a lot, they are comfy, and handle well if I don't run the pressure too
> low. But I don't think I would like riding those tires in a criterium,
> particularly not a technical downtown one (as opposes to a wide open course
> in a business park). Perhaps not even for a road race, where shoulder
> rubbing bar bumping crunches weren't unheard of either. However I don't do
> those things anymore so it's not really relevant for me.
>
> The 26mm cayuse extralights mounted to Hed Ardennes+ rims on my BMC Road
> are probably close to a good hand made tubular, but I doubt they are quite
> the same. They are very nice though and I doubt Ill ever go to the trouble
> and expense of setting up a road bike just to have for riding tubulars when
> I want to do so. But I'd never call into question anybody else's decision
> to so.
>
> On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 10:16:12 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Ted: Wrestling in prayer not to jerk the thread onto a tangent, but
>> giving in to sin with the consolation that the tangent isn't irrelevant: Do
>> you find that the best GB and RH clinchers perform (criteria: rolling
>> resistance, at least perceived, and cushioning over bumps of any sort) as
>> well as tubulars? If no, can you explicate?
>>
>> Thanks. Patrick "mea culpa, mea maxima culpa" Moore, in full confidence
>> of the group's absolution.
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 10:51 AM ted  wrote:
>>
>>> Trying is knowing. Do it.
>>>
>>> After riding strictly on tubulars for a couple decades I went back to
>>> clinches and never got results I was really happy with till I tried a pair
>>> of Grand Boise extralights I bought from Compass bikes (before JH
>>> introduced his like of tires). If you are at all interested in RH tires, I
>>> encourage you to try them. They were around and used very successfully by
>>> many folks before TC versions were even available.
>>>
>>
>> --
>>
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>> Patrick Moore
>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rene Herse Tires with tubes

[ted]

Patrick M,

Hm.

First I'd encourage anybody who hasn't used tubulars, is up for the gluing 
aspect, and has an interest in it to give them a try.

Though I like my RH tires, I think comparing RH tires to tubulars is sort 
of apples to oranges. The tubulars I rode were 21 or 22 mm road racing (or 
training) tires. The good ones had a round cross section even before you 
inflated them, and they all had a round cross section when inflated. The 
effect of that roundness may have been primarily psychological, but somehow 
tubulars never felt as narrow as 23mm clinchers do to me. The tubulars gave 
a remarkably comfy ride even pumped to ~100psi. They also gave very 
immediate and responsive handling. It's possible the different wheel types 
played a roll too. I used light low profile rims like Arc En Ciel, and 
gl330 or gl280. I think even a "light" clincher rim like the Pacenti Brevet 
or the MA-40s that were ubiquitous in the 90s is significantly stiffer than 
those old tubular rims. Surely the more aero rims common today are.
I don't think my recollections are good enough to pass judgement on the 
relative rolling resistance compared to tires I ride these days, but I'd 
hazard a guess that they (the good hand made tubulars) roll more easily. 

Most of the tires I ride now are a lot bigger than a road tubular. I like 
them a lot, they are comfy, and handle well if I don't run the pressure too 
low. But I don't think I would like riding those tires in a criterium, 
particularly not a technical downtown one (as opposes to a wide open course 
in a business park). Perhaps not even for a road race, where shoulder 
rubbing bar bumping crunches weren't unheard of either. However I don't do 
those things anymore so it's not really relevant for me.

The 26mm cayuse extralights mounted to Hed Ardennes+ rims on my BMC Road 
are probably close to a good hand made tubular, but I doubt they are quite 
the same. They are very nice though and I doubt Ill ever go to the trouble 
and expense of setting up a road bike just to have for riding tubulars when 
I want to do so. But I'd never call into question anybody else's decision 
to so.

On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 10:16:12 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Ted: Wrestling in prayer not to jerk the thread onto a tangent, but giving 
> in to sin with the consolation that the tangent isn't irrelevant: Do you 
> find that the best GB and RH clinchers perform (criteria: rolling 
> resistance, at least perceived, and cushioning over bumps of any sort) as 
> well as tubulars? If no, can you explicate?
>
> Thanks. Patrick "mea culpa, mea maxima culpa" Moore, in full confidence of 
> the group's absolution.
>
> On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 10:51 AM ted > 
> wrote:
>
>> Trying is knowing. Do it.
>>
>> After riding strictly on tubulars for a couple decades I went back to 
>> clinches and never got results I was really happy with till I tried a pair 
>> of Grand Boise extralights I bought from Compass bikes (before JH 
>> introduced his like of tires). If you are at all interested in RH tires, I 
>> encourage you to try them. They were around and used very successfully by 
>> many folks before TC versions were even available.
>>
>
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> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rene Herse Tires with tubes

[Patrick Moore]

Ted: Wrestling in prayer not to jerk the thread onto a tangent, but giving
in to sin with the consolation that the tangent isn't irrelevant: Do you
find that the best GB and RH clinchers perform (criteria: rolling
resistance, at least perceived, and cushioning over bumps of any sort) as
well as tubulars? If no, can you explicate?

Thanks. Patrick "mea culpa, mea maxima culpa" Moore, in full confidence of
the group's absolution.

On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 10:51 AM ted  wrote:

> Trying is knowing. Do it.
>
> After riding strictly on tubulars for a couple decades I went back to
> clinches and never got results I was really happy with till I tried a pair
> of Grand Boise extralights I bought from Compass bikes (before JH
> introduced his like of tires). If you are at all interested in RH tires, I
> encourage you to try them. They were around and used very successfully by
> many folks before TC versions were even available.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rene Herse Tires with tubes

[Steve Palincsar]

You most certainly do not need to run a tubeless compatible tire 
tubeless.  They're just fine with tubes.


On 6/15/20 10:16 AM, Benz, Sunnyvale, CA wrote:


I don't believe you /need/ to run RH tubeless-compatible tires 
tubeless. These tires have a special bead that has been designed for 
tubeless installation and use, but are otherwise identical to their 
brethren that are not tubeless-compatible.


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