Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Rally East Miraculously Escapes Weather Debacle!

2012-04-30 Thread Steven Frederick
I believe the "Riv Rally," refers to this list, the Riv list, since it was
organized for and by list members.  I can't imagine anyone being turned
away for lack of a particular brand of bike...

On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 1:45 AM, Ablejack  wrote:

> I guess I simply prefer a more egalitarian theme for a ride. Inclusive
> rather than exclusive that's all.
> I don't think anything negative about the folks and certainly did not mean
> to insinuate that.
> There are about ten Riv owners in my club and sometimes it's all Rivs on a
> ride. No problem, ride whatever you want.
> I just didn't like the idea that on a "Riv Rally" someone might feel
> having a fancy bike is necessary to come along with the group.
> I suppose "pretension" was the wrong way to put it. Truly sorry.
> /Still, gorgeous bikes all, and perhaps the best trail in America.
>
>
>
> On Friday, April 27, 2012 4:05:34 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, 2012-04-27 at 10:17 -0700, Ablejack wrote:
>> > Beautiful photos and bikes along the best trail I've ever
>> > ridden. Also I really hate the idea of a Riv Rally.
>>
>> I'm sorry you feel that way.  There are some very nice folks here, and
>> it has been a great pleasure to meet them in real life and ride with
>> them.  This year's and last year's rallies were tremendous fun and I'm
>> very glad I attended both.
>>
>>
>> >  Good thing there was a Kogswell and Surly (both fine bikes) with you
>> > to dilute the pretension.
>>
>> If you mean "tension in advance of the potentially severe weather" fine
>> -- but if you think the folks attending were poseurs and pretenders then
>> all I can say is you have some very wrong ideas about us.  In fact, come
>> down to it, if you feel that way, why are you here?
>>
>>
>>
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RE: [RBW] Re: Riv Rally East Miraculously Escapes Weather Debacle!

2012-04-30 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J
Just from chatting with the participants, I believe everyone on RRE 2012 could 
have ridden a perfectly suitable and very appealing non-Riv bike.  Maybe we 
need to do a non-Riv Riv Rally! 

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[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Montclair BobbyB
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 8:37 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: [RBW] Re: Riv Rally East Miraculously Escapes Weather Debacle!

Thanks, it's all good.  As long as I continue to be involved, Riv Rally will 
always be Riv Rally (I promise), and it will remain open TO ALL who embrace the 
Riv philosophy, REGARDLESS of whether you own a Riv or some other bike.  In 
fact, at the next rally I plan to ride either my '85 Stumpy, my 86 Cimarron or 
my 80-something Mongoose.  I'm lucky to own some pretty awesome Non-RIV bikes, 
but I CAN tell you (with no hesitation) that RBW has had a profound impact on 
how I built up these bikes as well as fueling my passion for the bicycling 
lifestyle, in general.  I suspect this is probably true of many Riv owners.

I'm proud to be a Rivendell Owner, not just for owning and riding one of their 
extraordinary bicycles, but also for embracing the Rivendell philosophy of 
supporting all that is good and worthwhile in bicycling.

Peace,
Bobby

On Apr 29, 11:51 am, Marc Irwin  wrote:
> I had a great time, thought Bobby did an amazing job putting this 
> together,
>
> > will be at the next one and don't see anything pretentious or 
> > exclusive about wanting to meet like minded people to hang out for a 
> > weekend!
>
> Marc

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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Rally East Miraculously Escapes Weather Debacle!

2012-04-28 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Sat, 2012-04-28 at 13:40 -0700, Philip Williamson wrote:
> I think the Riv Rally is a fantastic idea, and I'm amazed at Bobby's ability 
> to bring an idea like that to fruition. I associate it in my mind with 
> classic auto rallies, like the Austin Healey rally that came through my town 
> a few years ago, or the dozens of MGs I saw on my drive down the East side of 
> the Sierras last Summer. As an outsider, I thought that was cool. I talked to 
> one guy on the AH rally who was driving something else, but he came out to 
> see his friends and the countryside. I used to be into hearses, and the 
> Professional Car Socieuses would put on rallies and meets. I didn't consider 
> it pretentious - it was a way to meet people you only knew online, check out 
> their amazing stuff, and do something together. 


Absolutely, Bobby has done a fantastic job.  



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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Rally East Miraculously Escapes Weather Debacle!

2012-04-28 Thread Philip Williamson
I think the Riv Rally is a fantastic idea, and I'm amazed at Bobby's ability to 
bring an idea like that to fruition. I associate it in my mind with classic 
auto rallies, like the Austin Healey rally that came through my town a few 
years ago, or the dozens of MGs I saw on my drive down the East side of the 
Sierras last Summer. As an outsider, I thought that was cool. I talked to one 
guy on the AH rally who was driving something else, but he came out to see his 
friends and the countryside. I used to be into hearses, and the Professional 
Car Socieuses would put on rallies and meets. I didn't consider it pretentious 
- it was a way to meet people you only knew online, check out their amazing 
stuff, and do something together. 
I won't apologize for making auto connections in a bike forum, since I think 
it's a valid comparison. We are into something that's outside the mainstream, 
and we have every right to celebrate it and enjoy it, come together and share 
it. 
I got great vicarious pleasure out of both the past Riv Rallies, and hope they 
continue.

 Philip

Philip Williamson
www.biketinker.com

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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Rally East Miraculously Escapes Weather Debacle!

2012-04-28 Thread Brian Campbell
When is the next Rally in the east? I am just outside Philadelphia and 
missed this ride. I just joined the list about a month ago.


>
> --
> *From:* Minh 
> *Sent:* Sat Apr 28 09:41:33 CDT 2012
> *To:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Rally East Miraculously Escapes Weather 
> Debacle!
>  
> I will give you the benefit of the doubt that there was nothing implied, 
> but i think you're reading into the title too much.  This is a Rivendell 
> Owners Group, but there is no requirement that you have to own or ride a 
> Rivendell.  In the same way it was a Riv Rally because we organized it 
> through the list, but never at any point did anyone say you needed to have 
> a Riv to ride.  We could have called it the GAP 12 ride, but that doesn't 
> capture how we all met--which is through the Riv owners group.  
>
> As Steve points out, by nature of the ride Rivs were the natural type of 
> bike, but other bikes showed up, and the over-riding commonality was that 
> they were all built up in a similiar way (because the route/nature of the 
> ride required that), but no-one said anything about the non-riv bikes.  In 
> fact i found it interesting to see a Surly built up or a Kogswell (which 
> are not made anymore so it's rare for me to see one).  After the first 20 
> minutes of ogling and looking over the bikes i think everyone just rode and 
> focused on getting to know everyone.  The bikes just 'broke the ice' for 
> all of us to meet.  
>
>
> On Saturday, April 28, 2012 1:45:22 AM UTC-4, Ablejack wrote:
>>
>> I guess I simply prefer a more egalitarian theme for a ride. Inclusive 
>> rather than exclusive that's all. 
>> I don't think anything negative about the folks and certainly did not 
>> mean to insinuate that. 
>> There are about ten Riv owners in my club and sometimes it's all Rivs on 
>> a ride. No problem, ride whatever you want.
>> I just didn't like the idea that on a "Riv Rally" someone might feel 
>> having a fancy bike is necessary to come along with the group.
>> I suppose "pretension" was the wrong way to put it. Truly sorry.
>> /Still, gorgeous bikes all, and perhaps the best trail in America.
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Rally East Miraculously Escapes Weather Debacle!

2012-04-28 Thread Bruce Herbitter
And Minh, compared to crabon plastique bikes by many paceline weekend riders,  
riv and riv style build bikes are much less expensive. Compare a Sam to a 
Madone or Dogma for instance.

Sent from my Kindle Fire



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To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Rally East Miraculously Escapes Weather Debacle!


I will give you the benefit of the doubt that there was nothing implied, but i 
think you're reading into the title too much.  This is a Rivendell Owners 
Group, but there is no requirement that you have to own or ride a Rivendell.  
In the same way it was a Riv Rally because we organized it through the list, 
but never at any point did anyone say you needed to have a Riv to ride.  We 
could have called it the GAP 12 ride, but that doesn't capture how we all 
met--which is through the Riv owners group.  


As Steve points out, by nature of the ride Rivs were the natural type of bike, 
but other bikes showed up, and the over-riding commonality was that they were 
all built up in a similiar way (because the route/nature of the ride required 
that), but no-one said anything about the non-riv bikes.  In fact i found it 
interesting to see a Surly built up or a Kogswell (which are not made anymore 
so it's rare for me to see one).  After the first 20 minutes of ogling and 
looking over the bikes i think everyone just rode and focused on getting to 
know everyone.  The bikes just 'broke the ice' for all of us to meet.  



On Saturday, April 28, 2012 1:45:22 AM UTC-4, Ablejack wrote:

I guess I simply prefer a more egalitarian theme for a ride. Inclusive rather 
than exclusive that's all. 

I don't think anything negative about the folks and certainly did not mean to 
insinuate that. 

There are about ten Riv owners in my club and sometimes it's all Rivs on a 
ride. No problem, ride whatever you want.

I just didn't like the idea that on a "Riv Rally" someone might feel having a 
fancy bike is necessary to come along with the group.

I suppose "pretension" was the wrong way to put it. Truly sorry.

/Still, gorgeous bikes all, and perhaps the best trail in America.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Rally East Miraculously Escapes Weather Debacle!

2012-04-28 Thread Minh
I will give you the benefit of the doubt that there was nothing implied, 
but i think you're reading into the title too much.  This is a Rivendell 
Owners Group, but there is no requirement that you have to own or ride a 
Rivendell.  In the same way it was a Riv Rally because we organized it 
through the list, but never at any point did anyone say you needed to have 
a Riv to ride.  We could have called it the GAP 12 ride, but that doesn't 
capture how we all met--which is through the Riv owners group.  

As Steve points out, by nature of the ride Rivs were the natural type of 
bike, but other bikes showed up, and the over-riding commonality was that 
they were all built up in a similiar way (because the route/nature of the 
ride required that), but no-one said anything about the non-riv bikes.  In 
fact i found it interesting to see a Surly built up or a Kogswell (which 
are not made anymore so it's rare for me to see one).  After the first 20 
minutes of ogling and looking over the bikes i think everyone just rode and 
focused on getting to know everyone.  The bikes just 'broke the ice' for 
all of us to meet.  


On Saturday, April 28, 2012 1:45:22 AM UTC-4, Ablejack wrote:
>
> I guess I simply prefer a more egalitarian theme for a ride. Inclusive 
> rather than exclusive that's all. 
> I don't think anything negative about the folks and certainly did not mean 
> to insinuate that. 
> There are about ten Riv owners in my club and sometimes it's all Rivs on a 
> ride. No problem, ride whatever you want.
> I just didn't like the idea that on a "Riv Rally" someone might feel 
> having a fancy bike is necessary to come along with the group.
> I suppose "pretension" was the wrong way to put it. Truly sorry.
> /Still, gorgeous bikes all, and perhaps the best trail in America.
>
>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Rally East Miraculously Escapes Weather Debacle!

2012-04-28 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Fri, 2012-04-27 at 22:45 -0700, Ablejack wrote:
> I guess I simply prefer a more egalitarian theme for a ride. Inclusive
> rather than exclusive that's all. 

We were indeed inclusive.  Last year there were in addition to several
Rivendells, a Trek and a Gunnar.  This year in addition to several
Rivendells there were a Surly and a Kogswell.  Any "exclusivity" is
strictly in your perception, not in reality.


> I just didn't like the idea that on a "Riv Rally" someone might feel
> having a fancy bike is necessary to come along with the group.

The rally was open to all on this list, and no requirements for bikes
have ever been posted, except for the obvious needs that if you're going
to be riding on gravel you need a bike suitable for doing so, and if
you're going to be carrying gear for an overnight you need a bike
suitable for that.


> I suppose "pretension" was the wrong way to put it. Truly sorry.
> /Still, gorgeous bikes all, and perhaps the best trail in America.

There is indeed a whole lot to like about the Great Allegheny Passage,
and especially about the towns it goes through.   The Greenbrier River
Trail in West Virginia is similar, although not nearly as long and the
top 1/2 inch of surface is a lot looser, but there are few towns along
the way; and the one I stayed at (famous for the "Roadkill Cookoff") is
sorely deficient in terms of food compared to the likes of Confluence,
which has both top notch pizza and the justly famous Three Sisters.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Rally East Miraculously Escapes Weather Debacle!

2012-04-27 Thread Ablejack
I guess I simply prefer a more egalitarian theme for a ride. Inclusive 
rather than exclusive that's all. 
I don't think anything negative about the folks and certainly did not mean 
to insinuate that. 
There are about ten Riv owners in my club and sometimes it's all Rivs on a 
ride. No problem, ride whatever you want.
I just didn't like the idea that on a "Riv Rally" someone might feel having 
a fancy bike is necessary to come along with the group.
I suppose "pretension" was the wrong way to put it. Truly sorry.
/Still, gorgeous bikes all, and perhaps the best trail in America.



On Friday, April 27, 2012 4:05:34 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> On Fri, 2012-04-27 at 10:17 -0700, Ablejack wrote: 
> > Beautiful photos and bikes along the best trail I've ever 
> > ridden. Also I really hate the idea of a Riv Rally. 
>
> I'm sorry you feel that way.  There are some very nice folks here, and 
> it has been a great pleasure to meet them in real life and ride with 
> them.  This year's and last year's rallies were tremendous fun and I'm 
> very glad I attended both. 
>
>
> >  Good thing there was a Kogswell and Surly (both fine bikes) with you 
> > to dilute the pretension. 
>
> If you mean "tension in advance of the potentially severe weather" fine 
> -- but if you think the folks attending were poseurs and pretenders then 
> all I can say is you have some very wrong ideas about us.  In fact, come 
> down to it, if you feel that way, why are you here? 
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Rally East Miraculously Escapes Weather Debacle!

2012-04-27 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Fri, 2012-04-27 at 10:17 -0700, Ablejack wrote:
> Beautiful photos and bikes along the best trail I've ever
> ridden. Also I really hate the idea of a Riv Rally. 

I'm sorry you feel that way.  There are some very nice folks here, and
it has been a great pleasure to meet them in real life and ride with
them.  This year's and last year's rallies were tremendous fun and I'm
very glad I attended both.


>  Good thing there was a Kogswell and Surly (both fine bikes) with you
> to dilute the pretension.

If you mean "tension in advance of the potentially severe weather" fine
-- but if you think the folks attending were poseurs and pretenders then
all I can say is you have some very wrong ideas about us.  In fact, come
down to it, if you feel that way, why are you here?



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RE: [RBW] Re: Riv Rally East Miraculously Escapes Weather Debacle!

2012-04-26 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J
Resistance is futile.   

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[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of ascpgh
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 7:44 AM
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: [RBW] Re: Riv Rally East Miraculously Escapes Weather Debacle!

I think I caught something after being out in all the cold and in the 
wilderness last weekend.

I'm feeling like I need more clearance for bigger tires, more braze- ons, a 
kick stand plate, and a generator hub/light set up. The symptoms of my illness 
seems to have come back after ten years remission.

ANDY
Pittsburgh

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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Rally East Miraculously Escapes Weather Debacle!

2012-04-26 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Thu, 2012-04-26 at 06:21 -0700, ascpgh wrote:
> Steve:
> 
> I am a Riv-aholic.

Admitting that one cannot control one's addiction or compulsion is the
First Step, right?


> At first it was a numbered Bridgestone here and there, then there was
> a Rambouillet... Now the issues swirl; wide range double 110 BCD vs
> triple, generator hubs/logs vs battery units, rack/bag combos, bars,
> etc.
> 
> I'm going to have to make some steady progress on the house renovation
> to reach the level of rationalization this may require.

You've definitely come to a good place here.  Another would be the iBOB
list.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Rally East Miraculously Escapes Weather Debacle!

2012-04-26 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Thu, 2012-04-26 at 04:44 -0700, ascpgh wrote:
> I think I caught something after being out in all the cold and in the
> wilderness last weekend.
> 
> I'm feeling like I need more clearance for bigger tires, more braze-
> ons, a kick stand plate, and a generator hub/light set up. The
> symptoms of my illness seems to have come back after ten years
> remission.

So, in search of a 12-step support group, you found us.  Hi, Andy!
8=)



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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Rally East Miraculously Escapes Weather Debacle!

2012-04-25 Thread Steve Palincsar
Anyone find the photo of us arriving at Confluence the bike shop owner
took and said would be posted on Facebook?



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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Rally East Miraculously Escapes Weather Debacle!

2012-04-24 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Mon, 2012-04-23 at 16:52 -0700, AndyBikeman wrote:
> Thanks to Bobby and all the rest of the guys for making me (a borrowed
> LHTrucker rider) feel welcome. I had a wonderful time was so glad to
> be bitten by the Riv-Bug. Also thanks to all of the posters with the
> great photos. 

Nice collection.  If you haven't seen the Group Pool, I encourage you to
do so.  http://www.flickr.com/groups/1923867@N25/pool/show/

> Nice panoramas Steve! 

Thanks!  Hand held, stitched with Hugin then worked over with Gimp.
Sometimes even 16:9 just doesn't show it the way I see it.  Both Hugin &
Gimp are free, too.

> I enjoyed meeting and riding with
> you all. I look forward to the next time we can all ride together
> again.

Absolutely.  It was a tremendous amount of fun.



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RE: [RBW] Re: Riv Rally East Miraculously Escapes Weather Debacle!

2012-04-24 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J
Those three are (in Hank terms) "beasts"! 

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From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Montclair BobbyB
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 8:24 AM
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: [RBW] Re: Riv Rally East Miraculously Escapes Weather Debacle!

Done.

Speaking of the snow, John Philip sent me an email at 1:30 AM this morning... 
he had just arrived home in Syracuse after a long and grueling day.  When he 
and Tom Nezovich awoke in Rockwood, there was some 6+ inches of wet, heavy snow 
on the ground.  They slogged through up to a foot of snow (in places) to the 
Divide, after which things started to improve... (like having gravity in their 
favor, but also the snow began to thin out).  But it was still in the low 30s 
with sleet, rain and high winds, mostly from the NW (fortunately at their 
backs)...

Wow...Kudos to John and Tom for toughing it out.

MEANWHILE (and sorry I FORGOT to mention), MARC IRWIN CAMPED OUT in Ohiopyle 
overnight... I'm looking to hear back from him as to how he fared... (but then 
again, he's from Michigan, and an experienced Boy Scout.. this to him was 
probably little more than a Spring squall).

Peace,
BB

On Apr 23, 6:53 pm, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> On Mon, 2012-04-23 at 07:21 -0700, Montclair BobbyB wrote:
> > Boy, somebody up there must like us... Somehow we managed to slip 
> > through this weekend virtually untouched by this Nor'Easter that's 
> > been pounding several states in the East, and in the mean time had a 
> > fantastic ride from Cumberland, MD up to Ohiopyle, PA along the 
> > beautiful Great Allegheny Passage Trail.
>
> I've been listening to today's weather reports, hearing about the 4-5 
> inches of snow at Frostburg today, squealing with delight like a Geico 
> piggy...  Whee!!!
>
> I've added photos from Day 2 to my set of Riv Rally East 2012 
> photoshttp://www.flickr.com/photos/97916047@N00/sets/72157629882288771
> /show/
>
> Say, Bobby, do you think we might set up a group pool for everyone's 
> photos, the way we did with last year's?  As many cameras as were in 
> evidence, I can hardly wait to see what everyone else captured.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Rally East Miraculously Escapes Weather Debacle!

2012-04-24 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Mon, 2012-04-23 at 19:37 -0700, Rambouilleting Utahn wrote:
> Having lived in Ohiopyle when I was a paddler not a peddler I have to
> ask, how are the milkshakes at Falls Market? Are they still the best
> shakes in the East?

None of us had milkshakes.  Many of us got hoagies there, but we were in
a huge hurry to get back to the shuttle site (rafting place over the
bridge), didn't want to miss the ride to Fallingwater, and ate there.



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