Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborn

2017-03-13 Thread jeffrey kane 
Genius clip: like watching the Marx Bros race Laurel and Hardy and the The 
Three Stooges ... it almost makes me think that the prerequisite was "no 
previous bike handling experience allowed" (!)


On Sunday, March 12, 2017 at 9:41:24 PM UTC-4, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>
> Yeah, no.
>
> https://youtu.be/H9_Fs1QtsOY
>
> On Sunday, March 12, 2017 at 5:54:50 PM UTC-4, James Warren wrote:
>>
>>
>> Haha
>>
>> Bikes on dirt trails though - that was us!
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 12, 2017, at 2:43 PM, "'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch" <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> Of course, if you're inclined the other way...
>>
>> 
>>
>> Remember boys and girls--our generation didn't invent sex, or sloping top 
>> tubes.
>>
>> On Sunday, March 12, 2017 at 3:50:11 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> Actually, "classic" is level top tube. Me, I don't care about classic, 
>>> or rather, I care about it much less than fit. But Rivs with very visibly 
>>> sloping tts are not classic designs.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Mar 12, 2017 at 1:33 PM, Bob K.  wrote:
>>>
 I have a 2009 Sam, and yes, they've always had sloping top tubes. It 
 allows a greater range of PBHs to fit each size. "Classic" is relative, 
 and 
 Riv has never been in the business of simply remaking vintage bikes. And 
 if 
 one wants a (mostly) flat top tube Riv, there's always the Atlantis (or a 
 custom).

 Also, I agree that the ride is sublime. I run 700x42 Soma Shikoros on 
 mine.

 Bob K. in Baltimore

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Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborn

2017-03-12 Thread 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch 
Yeah, no.

https://youtu.be/H9_Fs1QtsOY

On Sunday, March 12, 2017 at 5:54:50 PM UTC-4, James Warren wrote:
>
>
> Haha
>
> Bikes on dirt trails though - that was us!
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 12, 2017, at 2:43 PM, "'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch" <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>
> 
>
> Of course, if you're inclined the other way...
>
> 
>
> Remember boys and girls--our generation didn't invent sex, or sloping top 
> tubes.
>
> On Sunday, March 12, 2017 at 3:50:11 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Actually, "classic" is level top tube. Me, I don't care about classic, or 
>> rather, I care about it much less than fit. But Rivs with very visibly 
>> sloping tts are not classic designs.
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 12, 2017 at 1:33 PM, Bob K.  wrote:
>>
>>> I have a 2009 Sam, and yes, they've always had sloping top tubes. It 
>>> allows a greater range of PBHs to fit each size. "Classic" is relative, and 
>>> Riv has never been in the business of simply remaking vintage bikes. And if 
>>> one wants a (mostly) flat top tube Riv, there's always the Atlantis (or a 
>>> custom).
>>>
>>> Also, I agree that the ride is sublime. I run 700x42 Soma Shikoros on 
>>> mine.
>>>
>>> Bob K. in Baltimore
>>>
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>>
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>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborn

2017-03-12 Thread Patrick Moore 
No! I said that I don't care!

On Sun, Mar 12, 2017 at 5:23 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

> "Very visibly sloping" is your term; are you saying you don't know what it
> includes?
>
> On 03/12/2017 07:00 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I'll leave that to someone else to answer. I don't really care.
>
> On Sun, Mar 12, 2017 at 3:10 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
>
>>
>> On 03/12/2017 03:50 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Actually, "classic" is level top tube. Me, I don't care about classic,
>>> or rather, I care about it much less than fit. But Rivs with very visibly
>>> sloping tts are not classic designs.
>>>
>>>
>> And I take it the 1-2 degree slope to be found on the Rambouillet,
>> Saluki, Atlantis, etc., are not included in the "very visibly sloping"
>> category?
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborn

2017-03-12 Thread Steve Palincsar 
"Very visibly sloping" is your term; are you saying you don't know what 
it includes?



On 03/12/2017 07:00 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:

I'll leave that to someone else to answer. I don't really care.

On Sun, Mar 12, 2017 at 3:10 PM, Steve Palincsar > wrote:



On 03/12/2017 03:50 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:

Actually, "classic" is level top tube. Me, I don't care about
classic, or rather, I care about it much less than fit. But
Rivs with very visibly sloping tts are not classic designs.


And I take it the 1-2 degree slope to be found on the Rambouillet,
Saluki, Atlantis, etc., are not included in the "very visibly
sloping" category?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborn

2017-03-12 Thread Patrick Moore 
I'll leave that to someone else to answer. I don't really care.

On Sun, Mar 12, 2017 at 3:10 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

>
> On 03/12/2017 03:50 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Actually, "classic" is level top tube. Me, I don't care about classic, or
>> rather, I care about it much less than fit. But Rivs with very visibly
>> sloping tts are not classic designs.
>>
>>
> And I take it the 1-2 degree slope to be found on the Rambouillet, Saluki,
> Atlantis, etc., are not included in the "very visibly sloping" category?
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Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborn

2017-03-12 Thread James Warren 

Haha

Bikes on dirt trails though - that was us!


Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 12, 2017, at 2:43 PM, "'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch" 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Of course, if you're inclined the other way...
> 
> 
> 
> Remember boys and girls--our generation didn't invent sex, or sloping top 
> tubes.
> 
>> On Sunday, March 12, 2017 at 3:50:11 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>> Actually, "classic" is level top tube. Me, I don't care about classic, or 
>> rather, I care about it much less than fit. But Rivs with very visibly 
>> sloping tts are not classic designs.
>> 
>>> On Sun, Mar 12, 2017 at 1:33 PM, Bob K.  wrote:
>>> I have a 2009 Sam, and yes, they've always had sloping top tubes. It allows 
>>> a greater range of PBHs to fit each size. "Classic" is relative, and Riv 
>>> has never been in the business of simply remaking vintage bikes. And if one 
>>> wants a (mostly) flat top tube Riv, there's always the Atlantis (or a 
>>> custom).
>>> 
>>> Also, I agree that the ride is sublime. I run 700x42 Soma Shikoros on mine.
>>> 
>>> Bob K. in Baltimore
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>> individualities revolve. Chuang Tzu
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>> revolves.) Carthusian motto
>> 
>> It is we who change; He remains the same. Eckhart
>> 
>> Kinei hos eromenon. (It moves [all things] as the beloved.) Aristotle
>> 
>> Le sacre est la projection du Centre celeste dans la peripherie cosmique, ou 
>> du "Moteur immobile" dans le flux des choses. F Schuon, Le Sens du Sacre, 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborn

2017-03-12 Thread Steve Palincsar 


On 03/12/2017 03:50 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:
Actually, "classic" is level top tube. Me, I don't care about classic, 
or rather, I care about it much less than fit. But Rivs with very 
visibly sloping tts are not classic designs.




And I take it the 1-2 degree slope to be found on the Rambouillet, 
Saluki, Atlantis, etc., are not included in the "very visibly sloping" 
category?


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Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborn

2017-03-12 Thread Patrick Moore 
So a classic is something that everyone really likes. Then I agree, the SH
is a classic.

Patrick Moore, who thinks the absolute pinnacle of Jeff Bridges' career is
True Grit (move over, Wayne, you smarmy wuss).

On Sun, Mar 12, 2017 at 2:29 PM, Bob K.  wrote:

> Amendment: Clearly, "The Big Lebowski" is an objective classic, so allow
> me to alter the post above to say something actually subjective, such as,
> "Buffy the Vampire Slayer (1997) is a classic film."
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Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborn

2017-03-12 Thread Bob K. 
Amendment: Clearly, "The Big Lebowski" is an objective classic, so allow me to 
alter the post above to say something actually subjective, such as, "Buffy the 
Vampire Slayer (1997) is a classic film."

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Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborn

2017-03-12 Thread Bob K. 
Patrick, I was considering the word classic in the sense that one would say 
something subjective like, "The Big Lebowski is a classic film," or even, "That 
bike is a classic beauty," and not as an objective term. I understand what you 
mean. 

Regardless of its non-classic top tube, the Sam is a "classic" steed that 
deserves a spot in anyone's stable.

Bob K. in Baltimore

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Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborn

2017-03-12 Thread Patrick Moore 
Actually, "classic" is level top tube. Me, I don't care about classic, or
rather, I care about it much less than fit. But Rivs with very visibly
sloping tts are not classic designs.

On Sun, Mar 12, 2017 at 1:33 PM, Bob K.  wrote:

> I have a 2009 Sam, and yes, they've always had sloping top tubes. It
> allows a greater range of PBHs to fit each size. "Classic" is relative, and
> Riv has never been in the business of simply remaking vintage bikes. And if
> one wants a (mostly) flat top tube Riv, there's always the Atlantis (or a
> custom).
>
> Also, I agree that the ride is sublime. I run 700x42 Soma Shikoros on mine.
>
> Bob K. in Baltimore
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Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborn

2017-03-12 Thread R Shannon 
Yes.

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