Re: [RBW] Re: Touring click in shoes without using the click in on platforms/rat traps feasable?
Jim, 1. Where do you get those Avids for $20? Which model? Their website shows a lot of cross trainer models. 2. Also, did you find you had to make an adjustment to your seatpost after installing thin gripsters? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Touring click in shoes without using the click in on platforms/rat traps feasable?
Jim, 1. Where do you get those Avias for $20? Which model? Their website shows a lot of cross trainer models. 2. Also, did you find you had to make an adjustment to your seatpost after installing thin gripsters? Full brevet series is quite an endorsement! Worth a try! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Touring click in shoes without using the click in on platforms/rat traps feasable?
I didn't make any adjustments to my seat height after installing thin gripsters. I used Shimano A520 pedals before. Richard -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Touring click in shoes without using the click in on platforms/rat traps feasable?
Avia Peter, size 13E, at Wal-Mart. I'm on my 3rd pair. I get about 1500 miles on each pair before the spikes wear the soles down to the point that my fit is altered. Other people may be able to get more mileage out off them that don't weigh 260 and climb out of the saddle frequently. I will reiterate my prior guidance that these shoes are not comfortable for walking around in, so caveat emptor. I don't make a habit of shopping at Wal-Mart, but my wife likes to go there so one day I wandered over into the shoe department. I first tried the $13.99 Starter shoes but those were chewed up by the spikes in the thin gripsters very quickly. So after that I tried these Avias because they felt like they had a stiffer sole and they have worked out. If these Avias are too lowbrow for some folks, I have an alternate suggestion. I did once ride a 200k on borrowed New Balance cross trainers a few years back. I had left my SPD shoes at home, which was 110 miles away from the ride start. The only shoes I had for the trip were sandals that I was not comfortable using on the bike. The New Balance shoes were very comfortable both on and off the bike. Also used plastic department store pedals for that 200k haha. I had an extra pair of them in my bag just in case. Oh the things you get into riding your Rivendell... :-D On Jul 2, 2014 1:16 AM, lungimsam john11.2...@gmail.com wrote: Jim, 1. Where do you get those Avids for $20? Which model? Their website shows a lot of cross trainer models. 2. Also, did you find you had to make an adjustment to your seatpost after installing thin gripsters? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Touring click in shoes without using the click in on platforms/rat traps feasable?
I wear NB minimalist trail running shoes at work, and during my commute. My commuter bike had MKS pedals, which worked fine, but weren't totally comfortable. I switched to thin gripsters two weeks ago. They are great. No slipping and very supportive. On Monday, June 30, 2014 6:38:32 PM UTC-5, Jim Bronson wrote: I personally use thin gripsters with Avia cross-trainers, it's been good enough for a full brevet series this spring. The shoes cost less than $20 for a pair. On Jun 30, 2014 6:19 PM, IanA atte...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: A better combination could be trail runners on sneaker pedals. For long distance riding I think I prefer to use mountain bike shoes, clipped in, but for touring it is inconvenient to carry off-the-bike footwear and cycling shoes as off bike footwear are not good (YMMV). I have done a few long rides on MKS touring pedals and sneakers, but found it very uncomfortable as the cage for me doesn't feel like it offers full foot support. The sides of my feet were in pain. Considering Deacon Patrick happily covers long distances in bare feet, his pedal choice could work for someone in runners too? Curiously, I have found the flat pedal side of Shimano M324 pedals work well for me with just about any shoe. For randonneuring/jaunts I like to clip in, for touring it is not convenient. Certainly not worth the drawbacks of having cycling specific shoes and then not to clip in. You might find an extra insole inside runners/trail runners on a supportive flat pedal gives the same benefit as a stiff soled shoe. Maybe Deacon Patrick will expand a little on his footwear (or lack therof) approach? He brings a greater depth of meaning to pedaling free and his choice of pedal would be well worth consideration. IanA. On Sunday, June 29, 2014 10:06:44 PM UTC-6, lungimsam wrote: Keeping the cleat sole insert in place on the shoe. Not removing it for a cleat, and then riding the shoe on platforms, or MKS Touring type pedals. Been riding in sneakers, and wondered how a stiffer soled touring cycling shoe without clicking in would work, but wonder if these soles would even work with platforms. Sorta like these: http://www.shimano-lifestylegear.com/us/fw/products/tour/index.php -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Touring click in shoes without using the click in on platforms/rat traps feasable?
False economy? Are those Tevas really that good? I would only pay $110.00 for cycling shoes specific to flat pedals if it had some very discernable differences from the cheap crosstrainers I use now. They would also have to last a very, very long time, because I can buy 5 pairs of the crosstrainers for that and have $10 towards the 6th pair. For me the limiting factor on shoe life is the wear from the pedal spikes. I am not willing to remove the spikes though because I like the secure feeling they give when pedaling out of the saddle. The odd thing is that the shoes I use are not at all comfortable for walking, but they work great for cycling. I guess a large portion of you would probably find the source of my particular shoes unsatisfactory, i.e., a large retailer based in Arkansas. There are lots of other vendors of inexpensive crosstraining shoes out there though, from doing a Google search. For what I pay, some trial and error is worth it. I tried some others first before settling on the Avia Peter model. On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 10:46 AM, jpp paste...@notes.udayton.edu wrote: Yes riding a spd shoe but leaving the insert works. I have seen people do it and it is fine. I personally ride in light hiking shoes that tend to have a stiffer sole then sneakers and grip well. I also know shoe companies have made specific biking shoes like Teva. Plus I have met guys that ride in BMX specific shoes, but like the grippy soles on them. http://www.teva.com/men-shoes/links/1002689.html?dwvar_1002689_color=BLK#start=18cgid=men-shoes On Monday, June 30, 2014 12:06:44 AM UTC-4, lungimsam wrote: Keeping the cleat sole insert in place on the shoe. Not removing it for a cleat, and then riding the shoe on platforms, or MKS Touring type pedals. Been riding in sneakers, and wondered how a stiffer soled touring cycling shoe without clicking in would work, but wonder if these soles would even work with platforms. Sorta like these: http://www.shimano-lifestylegear.com/us/fw/products/tour/index.php -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Keep the metal side up and the rubber side down! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Touring click in shoes without using the click in on platforms/rat traps feasable?
I personally use thin gripsters with Avia cross-trainers, it's been good enough for a full brevet series this spring. The shoes cost less than $20 for a pair. On Jun 30, 2014 6:19 PM, IanA attew...@gmail.com wrote: A better combination could be trail runners on sneaker pedals. For long distance riding I think I prefer to use mountain bike shoes, clipped in, but for touring it is inconvenient to carry off-the-bike footwear and cycling shoes as off bike footwear are not good (YMMV). I have done a few long rides on MKS touring pedals and sneakers, but found it very uncomfortable as the cage for me doesn't feel like it offers full foot support. The sides of my feet were in pain. Considering Deacon Patrick happily covers long distances in bare feet, his pedal choice could work for someone in runners too? Curiously, I have found the flat pedal side of Shimano M324 pedals work well for me with just about any shoe. For randonneuring/jaunts I like to clip in, for touring it is not convenient. Certainly not worth the drawbacks of having cycling specific shoes and then not to clip in. You might find an extra insole inside runners/trail runners on a supportive flat pedal gives the same benefit as a stiff soled shoe. Maybe Deacon Patrick will expand a little on his footwear (or lack therof) approach? He brings a greater depth of meaning to pedaling free and his choice of pedal would be well worth consideration. IanA. On Sunday, June 29, 2014 10:06:44 PM UTC-6, lungimsam wrote: Keeping the cleat sole insert in place on the shoe. Not removing it for a cleat, and then riding the shoe on platforms, or MKS Touring type pedals. Been riding in sneakers, and wondered how a stiffer soled touring cycling shoe without clicking in would work, but wonder if these soles would even work with platforms. Sorta like these: http://www.shimano-lifestylegear.com/us/fw/products/tour/index.php -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Touring click in shoes without using the click in on platforms/rat traps feasable?
I road with Adidas Sambas for several years and have now switched to Adidas Bouldering shoes. They give extra support in the sole so the foot doesn't flex downward. I am very happy with them and I definitely recommend them. http://mtnweekly.com/reviews/footwear-products/boot-reviews/adidas-shoe-review -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Touring click in shoes without using the click in on platforms/rat traps feasable?
Barefoot? Do you take the spikes out of the pedals you use? I can clearly see the spikes in the pics of the VP Vice. Btw what is the difference between the VP Vice and the VP-001 aka Thin Gripster? Is the Vice larger? On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 9:05 PM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote: Per Ian's prompting, here is my take on pedals: Based on my experience, there is no reason a stiff soled shoe is required except for compensating for weak feet -- and doing so misses an opportunity to strengthen your feet. -- I use VP Vice and VO Sabot. I do not notice a practicable difference between the two. I am fine doing up to 5 hour rides barefoot at SS pedal pressures (longer if I'm on the Hunqapillar). After that I wear: -- When I need a shoe (for warmth or to prevent my feet getting sore from the same pressure points on the pedal) I wear a 3mm thick ZemGear Terra shoe. They are basically a sock with hearty/grippy rubber on the bottom. You can roll them up, that's how flexible they are. My experience is that shoes that proved support of any kind prevent the foot from strengthening and functions as it is supposed to. I go barefoot on rough trails for hiking and running, so my feet are well adapted. Adaptation takes at least a few months, with regular barefooting, and includes changing the foot shape (wider forefoot, strengthening of the arch and ankles, increased blood flow, musculature, and thicker, stronger tendons. Once adapted, there is absolutely no reason for a stiff soled shoe unless your intention is to re-weaken, or keep weak your foot. I have experimented a lot with mid foot pedaling and forefoot pedaling, and what I've settled on is forefoot pedaling when seated, mid foot pedaling when standing. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Keep the metal side up and the rubber side down! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Touring click in shoes without using the click in on platforms/rat traps feasable?
Yes, I use broad, flat pedals. No, my theory does not require small pedals. When I run barefoot my whole forefoot, outside foot, and heel contact the ground at the respective times. The foot is designed to land (when running) on the forefoot. I suppose if one views the shoe as an extension of the pedal rather than of the foot, then a stiff shoe is simply creating a full footed platform pedal. The problem comes from all the constriction and narrowness and non-footshapped shoe -- again preventing the foot from functioning as it ought. I would be stunned if there was a cycling shoe that fit like my ZemGears do. Size 13 with an anatomical last. Grin. With abandon, Patrick On Monday, June 30, 2014 10:31:49 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote: But you use broad, flat pedals, do you not? Wouldn't your theory require small pedals? I've certainly done no research, but I find it hard to believe that for 140 years cyclists have all been deluded about cycling shoes. [image: Inline image 1] (Those are Aerolites.) On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 8:05 PM, Deacon Patrick lamon...@mac.com javascript: wrote: Based on my experience, there is no reason a stiff soled shoe is required except for compensating for weak feet -- and doing so misses an opportunity to strengthen your feet. -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ Patrick Moore Albuquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Etats Unis * * Where you come from is gone, where you thought you were going to never was there, and where you are is no good unless you can get away from it. Where is there a place for you to be? No place.* * Nothing outside you can give you any place, he said. You needn't to look at the sky because it's not going to open up and show no place behind it. You needn't to search for any hole in the ground to look through into somewhere else. You can't go neither forwards nor backwards into your daddy's time nor your children's if you have them. In yourself right now is all the place you've got. If there was any Fall, look there, if there was any Redemption, look there, and if you expect any Judgment, look there, because they all three will have to be in your time and your body and where in your time and your body can they be?* * Where in your time and your body has Jesus redeemed you? he cried. Show me where because I don't see the place. If there was a place where Jesus had redeemed you that would be the place for you to be, but which of you can find it?” -- Flannery O'Connor, Wise Blood * -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Touring click in shoes without using the click in on platforms/rat traps feasable?
Yes, I remove the spikes, on at least one side. Currently I only have 4 of the rounded spikes that come with the Sabot pedals on one side, for when I wear shoes with the QB. The VP Vice has a slightly more congruous surface pattern (smaller holes) than the Thin Gripster, which I have not tried. Here they are in action: https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/10077255616/in/set-72157636166222556 With abandon, Patrick On Monday, June 30, 2014 10:43:29 PM UTC-6, Jim Bronson wrote: Barefoot? Do you take the spikes out of the pedals you use? I can clearly see the spikes in the pics of the VP Vice. Btw what is the difference between the VP Vice and the VP-001 aka Thin Gripster? Is the Vice larger? On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 9:05 PM, Deacon Patrick lamon...@mac.com javascript: wrote: Per Ian's prompting, here is my take on pedals: Based on my experience, there is no reason a stiff soled shoe is required except for compensating for weak feet -- and doing so misses an opportunity to strengthen your feet. -- I use VP Vice and VO Sabot. I do not notice a practicable difference between the two. I am fine doing up to 5 hour rides barefoot at SS pedal pressures (longer if I'm on the Hunqapillar). After that I wear: -- When I need a shoe (for warmth or to prevent my feet getting sore from the same pressure points on the pedal) I wear a 3mm thick ZemGear Terra shoe. They are basically a sock with hearty/grippy rubber on the bottom. You can roll them up, that's how flexible they are. My experience is that shoes that proved support of any kind prevent the foot from strengthening and functions as it is supposed to. I go barefoot on rough trails for hiking and running, so my feet are well adapted. Adaptation takes at least a few months, with regular barefooting, and includes changing the foot shape (wider forefoot, strengthening of the arch and ankles, increased blood flow, musculature, and thicker, stronger tendons. Once adapted, there is absolutely no reason for a stiff soled shoe unless your intention is to re-weaken, or keep weak your foot. I have experimented a lot with mid foot pedaling and forefoot pedaling, and what I've settled on is forefoot pedaling when seated, mid foot pedaling when standing. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Keep the metal side up and the rubber side down! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
