Re: [RBW] Re: What is a mountain bike?

2013-12-10 Thread Christian
Dear Anne et al,

Take a look at this thorough review of the ECR; it's excellent and makes 
many valuable comparisons to the Krampus which should help you (or anyone) 
decide b/w the two. 
 http://gypsybytrade.wordpress.com/2013/12/07/dissecting-the-surly-ecr/

Best wishes,

Christian 

On Monday, December 9, 2013 8:30:11 PM UTC-5, Anne Paulson wrote:

 I'm pulling the trigger on either a Krampus or an ECR, just as soon as 
 I decide which one and whether I'm going for a belt drive or a chain. 
 And I'm going to have a great time riding the new bike, whichever one 
 it is. 

 How would I choose the size? I test rode an XL Krampus, which was 
 clearly too big, but still (barely) ridable for me. Should I go for L 
 or M? 5'8, long torso. 

 On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 5:17 PM, Eric Daume eric...@gmail.comjavascript: 
 wrote: 
  I demo'd a Krampus this weekend, and I didn't find any issues with the 
  slacker head angle--and this is coming from a guy that really enjoyed a 
  mountain bike with a 74* head angle. 
  
  
 http://bikingtoplay.blogspot.com/2013/12/global-fat-bike-day-and-krampus.html 
  
  My bike fund is in some danger... 
  
  Eric Daume 
  Dublin, OH 
  
  
  On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Montclair BobbyB 
  montcla...@gmail.comjavascript: 

  wrote: 
  
  I love what Surly is doing with the 29er+ bikes (Krampus / ECR), except 
  I'm not a big fan of the slightly slack headtube angle (69.5 degree)... 
  maybe Surly is concerned about toe overlap (with those gargantuan 
 tires)... 
  still I'd rather see a longer top tube than slack head angle... For 
  downhill, great... but for climbing, nimble maneuvering and certainly 
 for 
  touring I'd rather have something closer to 71/72. 
  
  But maybe that's just me... 
  
  On Sunday, December 8, 2013 6:40:54 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote: 
  
  Not directly related to the Hunquapillar, but interesting in a 
  Rivendellianisticishianesquetic way or, at very least, 
  quasi-crypto-Rivendellian. Ish. And it's local, land of red 'n' green. 
  
  http://gypsybytrade.wordpress.com/ 
  
  Patrick Moore, contemplating a lugged, more-rake fork from Chauncey 
 for 
  his Fargo in frigid ABQ, NM. 
  
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Re: [RBW] Re: What is a mountain bike?

2013-12-10 Thread Montclair BobbyB
Eric:  Coming from a fellow Niner rider (I ride an MCR), I'd better believe 
it.  Great write-up (especially like the snow photos).  I actually ran into 
a few RD dudes from Surly at the Fruita Fat Tire festival in April.  We 
had just finished a thrill ride on Zippity-Doo-Dah and ran into these guys 
in the lot (where I immediately noticed this awesome bike layin on its 
side)... I said to the guy That looks like Pugsley's big brother... He 
replied It's a Krampus... 29er... here, take it for a spin... So I did. 
 WOW, surprisingly fast and nimble, although it was all on flat, fast and 
flowy dirt/sand single track... I didn't get a chance to climb with it... 
but wow, what a cool (and FUN) bike.  They both had em (prototypes), set up 
for SS... Perhaps one day... although I gotta say, riding a nice steel, 
nimble 29er on tight technical forested trails is so blissful, I wonder how 
it could ever get better...  

But sorry, this is getting off-topic... Still, I hope where this is all 
heading is with further growth of the 'adventure bike' category... 
something that all Rivs seem to comfortably fit in already... 

Peace,
BB


On Monday, December 9, 2013 8:17:27 PM UTC-5, Eric Daume wrote:

 I demo'd a Krampus this weekend, and I didn't find any issues with the 
 slacker head angle--and this is coming from a guy that really enjoyed a 
 mountain bike with a 74* head angle.


 http://bikingtoplay.blogspot.com/2013/12/global-fat-bike-day-and-krampus.html

 My bike fund is in some danger...

 Eric Daume
 Dublin, OH


 On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Montclair BobbyB 
 montcla...@gmail.comjavascript:
  wrote:

 I love what Surly is doing with the 29er+ bikes (Krampus / ECR), except 
 I'm not a big fan of the slightly slack headtube angle (69.5 degree)... 
 maybe Surly is concerned about toe overlap (with those gargantuan tires)... 
 still I'd rather see a longer top tube than slack head angle... For 
 downhill, great... but for climbing, nimble maneuvering and certainly for 
 touring I'd rather have something closer to 71/72.

 But maybe that's just me... 

 On Sunday, December 8, 2013 6:40:54 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:

 Not directly related to the Hunquapillar, but interesting in a 
 Rivendellianisticishianesquetic way or, at very least, 
 quasi-crypto-Rivendellian. Ish. And it's local, land of red 'n' green.

 http://gypsybytrade.wordpress.com/

 Patrick Moore, contemplating a lugged, more-rake fork from Chauncey for 
 his Fargo in frigid ABQ, NM.

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Re: [RBW] Re: What is a mountain bike?

2013-12-10 Thread Bill Lindsay
Anne

If you decide to go belted, you'll take your new frame to the local 
framebuilder for a seatstay splitter installation?  Do you have a 
tradesperson in mind?

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8149/7382444166_b76df60251_b.jpg


On Monday, December 9, 2013 5:30:11 PM UTC-8, Anne Paulson wrote:

 I'm pulling the trigger on either a Krampus or an ECR, just as soon as 
 I decide which one and whether I'm going for a belt drive or a chain. 
 And I'm going to have a great time riding the new bike, whichever one 
 it is. 

 How would I choose the size? I test rode an XL Krampus, which was 
 clearly too big, but still (barely) ridable for me. Should I go for L 
 or M? 5'8, long torso. 

 On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 5:17 PM, Eric Daume eric...@gmail.comjavascript: 
 wrote: 
  I demo'd a Krampus this weekend, and I didn't find any issues with the 
  slacker head angle--and this is coming from a guy that really enjoyed a 
  mountain bike with a 74* head angle. 
  
  
 http://bikingtoplay.blogspot.com/2013/12/global-fat-bike-day-and-krampus.html 
  
  My bike fund is in some danger... 
  
  Eric Daume 
  Dublin, OH 
  
  
  On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Montclair BobbyB 
  montcla...@gmail.comjavascript: 

  wrote: 
  
  I love what Surly is doing with the 29er+ bikes (Krampus / ECR), except 
  I'm not a big fan of the slightly slack headtube angle (69.5 degree)... 
  maybe Surly is concerned about toe overlap (with those gargantuan 
 tires)... 
  still I'd rather see a longer top tube than slack head angle... For 
  downhill, great... but for climbing, nimble maneuvering and certainly 
 for 
  touring I'd rather have something closer to 71/72. 
  
  But maybe that's just me... 
  
  On Sunday, December 8, 2013 6:40:54 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote: 
  
  Not directly related to the Hunquapillar, but interesting in a 
  Rivendellianisticishianesquetic way or, at very least, 
  quasi-crypto-Rivendellian. Ish. And it's local, land of red 'n' green. 
  
  http://gypsybytrade.wordpress.com/ 
  
  Patrick Moore, contemplating a lugged, more-rake fork from Chauncey 
 for 
  his Fargo in frigid ABQ, NM. 
  
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Re: [RBW] Re: What is a mountain bike?

2013-12-10 Thread Anne Paulson
No, I'm getting the bike from Cycle Monkey, 'cause they're experienced with
Rohloffs and belts, and they have people they work with.


On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 3:27 PM, Bill Lindsay tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Anne

 If you decide to go belted, you'll take your new frame to the local
 framebuilder for a seatstay splitter installation?  Do you have a
 tradesperson in mind?

 http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8149/7382444166_b76df60251_b.jpg


 On Monday, December 9, 2013 5:30:11 PM UTC-8, Anne Paulson wrote:

 I'm pulling the trigger on either a Krampus or an ECR, just as soon as
 I decide which one and whether I'm going for a belt drive or a chain.
 And I'm going to have a great time riding the new bike, whichever one
 it is.

 How would I choose the size? I test rode an XL Krampus, which was
 clearly too big, but still (barely) ridable for me. Should I go for L
 or M? 5'8, long torso.

 On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 5:17 PM, Eric Daume eric...@gmail.com wrote:
  I demo'd a Krampus this weekend, and I didn't find any issues with the
  slacker head angle--and this is coming from a guy that really enjoyed a
  mountain bike with a 74* head angle.
 
  http://bikingtoplay.blogspot.com/2013/12/global-fat-bike-
 day-and-krampus.html
 
  My bike fund is in some danger...
 
  Eric Daume
  Dublin, OH
 
 
  On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Montclair BobbyB montcla...@gmail.com

  wrote:
 
  I love what Surly is doing with the 29er+ bikes (Krampus / ECR),
 except
  I'm not a big fan of the slightly slack headtube angle (69.5
 degree)...
  maybe Surly is concerned about toe overlap (with those gargantuan
 tires)...
  still I'd rather see a longer top tube than slack head angle... For
  downhill, great... but for climbing, nimble maneuvering and certainly
 for
  touring I'd rather have something closer to 71/72.
 
  But maybe that's just me...
 
  On Sunday, December 8, 2013 6:40:54 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
 
  Not directly related to the Hunquapillar, but interesting in a
  Rivendellianisticishianesquetic way or, at very least,
  quasi-crypto-Rivendellian. Ish. And it's local, land of red 'n'
 green.
 
  http://gypsybytrade.wordpress.com/
 
  Patrick Moore, contemplating a lugged, more-rake fork from Chauncey
 for
  his Fargo in frigid ABQ, NM.
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: What is a mountain bike?

2013-12-10 Thread Bill Lindsay
I'll love to see pictures when you do it.  

On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 4:09:01 PM UTC-8, Anne Paulson wrote:

 No, I'm getting the bike from Cycle Monkey, 'cause they're experienced 
 with Rohloffs and belts, and they have people they work with.


 On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 3:27 PM, Bill Lindsay tape...@gmail.comjavascript:
  wrote:

 Anne

 If you decide to go belted, you'll take your new frame to the local 
 framebuilder for a seatstay splitter installation?  Do you have a 
 tradesperson in mind?

  http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8149/7382444166_b76df60251_b.jpg


 On Monday, December 9, 2013 5:30:11 PM UTC-8, Anne Paulson wrote:

 I'm pulling the trigger on either a Krampus or an ECR, just as soon as 
 I decide which one and whether I'm going for a belt drive or a chain. 
 And I'm going to have a great time riding the new bike, whichever one 
 it is. 

 How would I choose the size? I test rode an XL Krampus, which was 
 clearly too big, but still (barely) ridable for me. Should I go for L 
 or M? 5'8, long torso. 

 On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 5:17 PM, Eric Daume eric...@gmail.com wrote: 
  I demo'd a Krampus this weekend, and I didn't find any issues with the 
  slacker head angle--and this is coming from a guy that really enjoyed 
 a 
  mountain bike with a 74* head angle. 
  
  http://bikingtoplay.blogspot.com/2013/12/global-fat-bike-
 day-and-krampus.html 
  
  My bike fund is in some danger... 
  
  Eric Daume 
  Dublin, OH 
  
  
  On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Montclair BobbyB montcla...@gmail.com 

  wrote: 
  
  I love what Surly is doing with the 29er+ bikes (Krampus / ECR), 
 except 
  I'm not a big fan of the slightly slack headtube angle (69.5 
 degree)... 
  maybe Surly is concerned about toe overlap (with those gargantuan 
 tires)... 
  still I'd rather see a longer top tube than slack head angle... For 
  downhill, great... but for climbing, nimble maneuvering and certainly 
 for 
  touring I'd rather have something closer to 71/72. 
  
  But maybe that's just me... 
  
  On Sunday, December 8, 2013 6:40:54 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote: 
  
  Not directly related to the Hunquapillar, but interesting in a 
  Rivendellianisticishianesquetic way or, at very least, 
  quasi-crypto-Rivendellian. Ish. And it's local, land of red 'n' 
 green. 
  
  http://gypsybytrade.wordpress.com/ 
  
  Patrick Moore, contemplating a lugged, more-rake fork from Chauncey 
 for 
  his Fargo in frigid ABQ, NM. 
  
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Re: [RBW] Re: What is a mountain bike?

2013-12-09 Thread Eric Daume
I demo'd a Krampus this weekend, and I didn't find any issues with the
slacker head angle--and this is coming from a guy that really enjoyed a
mountain bike with a 74* head angle.

http://bikingtoplay.blogspot.com/2013/12/global-fat-bike-day-and-krampus.html

My bike fund is in some danger...

Eric Daume
Dublin, OH


On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Montclair BobbyB
montclairbob...@gmail.comwrote:

 I love what Surly is doing with the 29er+ bikes (Krampus / ECR), except
 I'm not a big fan of the slightly slack headtube angle (69.5 degree)...
 maybe Surly is concerned about toe overlap (with those gargantuan tires)...
 still I'd rather see a longer top tube than slack head angle... For
 downhill, great... but for climbing, nimble maneuvering and certainly for
 touring I'd rather have something closer to 71/72.

 But maybe that's just me...

 On Sunday, December 8, 2013 6:40:54 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:

 Not directly related to the Hunquapillar, but interesting in a
 Rivendellianisticishianesquetic way or, at very least,
 quasi-crypto-Rivendellian. Ish. And it's local, land of red 'n' green.

 http://gypsybytrade.wordpress.com/

 Patrick Moore, contemplating a lugged, more-rake fork from Chauncey for
 his Fargo in frigid ABQ, NM.

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Re: [RBW] Re: What is a mountain bike?

2013-12-09 Thread Anne Paulson
I'm pulling the trigger on either a Krampus or an ECR, just as soon as
I decide which one and whether I'm going for a belt drive or a chain.
And I'm going to have a great time riding the new bike, whichever one
it is.

How would I choose the size? I test rode an XL Krampus, which was
clearly too big, but still (barely) ridable for me. Should I go for L
or M? 5'8, long torso.

On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 5:17 PM, Eric Daume ericda...@gmail.com wrote:
 I demo'd a Krampus this weekend, and I didn't find any issues with the
 slacker head angle--and this is coming from a guy that really enjoyed a
 mountain bike with a 74* head angle.

 http://bikingtoplay.blogspot.com/2013/12/global-fat-bike-day-and-krampus.html

 My bike fund is in some danger...

 Eric Daume
 Dublin, OH


 On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Montclair BobbyB montclairbob...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I love what Surly is doing with the 29er+ bikes (Krampus / ECR), except
 I'm not a big fan of the slightly slack headtube angle (69.5 degree)...
 maybe Surly is concerned about toe overlap (with those gargantuan tires)...
 still I'd rather see a longer top tube than slack head angle... For
 downhill, great... but for climbing, nimble maneuvering and certainly for
 touring I'd rather have something closer to 71/72.

 But maybe that's just me...

 On Sunday, December 8, 2013 6:40:54 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:

 Not directly related to the Hunquapillar, but interesting in a
 Rivendellianisticishianesquetic way or, at very least,
 quasi-crypto-Rivendellian. Ish. And it's local, land of red 'n' green.

 http://gypsybytrade.wordpress.com/

 Patrick Moore, contemplating a lugged, more-rake fork from Chauncey for
 his Fargo in frigid ABQ, NM.

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Re: [RBW] Re: What is a mountain bike?

2013-12-09 Thread Deacon Patrick
Compare the geometry charts from Surly's site with your Riv geometry chart. 
That's what I've done to figure out what size I need to test ride, so I 
don't have a positive outcome yet. Based on that, I am an XL for either 
Surly, with a PBH of 90 and a 62 Hunqapillar.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, December 9, 2013 6:30:11 PM UTC-7, Anne Paulson wrote:

 I'm pulling the trigger on either a Krampus or an ECR, just as soon as 
 I decide which one and whether I'm going for a belt drive or a chain. 
 And I'm going to have a great time riding the new bike, whichever one 
 it is. 

 How would I choose the size? I test rode an XL Krampus, which was 
 clearly too big, but still (barely) ridable for me. Should I go for L 
 or M? 5'8, long torso. 

 On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 5:17 PM, Eric Daume eric...@gmail.comjavascript: 
 wrote: 
  I demo'd a Krampus this weekend, and I didn't find any issues with the 
  slacker head angle--and this is coming from a guy that really enjoyed a 
  mountain bike with a 74* head angle. 
  
  
 http://bikingtoplay.blogspot.com/2013/12/global-fat-bike-day-and-krampus.html 
  
  My bike fund is in some danger... 
  
  Eric Daume 
  Dublin, OH 
  
  
  On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Montclair BobbyB 
  montcla...@gmail.comjavascript: 

  wrote: 
  
  I love what Surly is doing with the 29er+ bikes (Krampus / ECR), except 
  I'm not a big fan of the slightly slack headtube angle (69.5 degree)... 
  maybe Surly is concerned about toe overlap (with those gargantuan 
 tires)... 
  still I'd rather see a longer top tube than slack head angle... For 
  downhill, great... but for climbing, nimble maneuvering and certainly 
 for 
  touring I'd rather have something closer to 71/72. 
  
  But maybe that's just me... 
  
  On Sunday, December 8, 2013 6:40:54 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote: 
  
  Not directly related to the Hunquapillar, but interesting in a 
  Rivendellianisticishianesquetic way or, at very least, 
  quasi-crypto-Rivendellian. Ish. And it's local, land of red 'n' green. 
  
  http://gypsybytrade.wordpress.com/ 
  
  Patrick Moore, contemplating a lugged, more-rake fork from Chauncey 
 for 
  his Fargo in frigid ABQ, NM. 
  
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Re: [RBW] Re: What is a mountain bike?

2013-12-09 Thread Eric Daume
Anne,

I'm 6'3 and could manage the Large Krampus, but the XL would be better. The
top tube on these run pretty long, so I would guess Medium.

Eric


On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 8:30 PM, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'm pulling the trigger on either a Krampus or an ECR, just as soon as
 I decide which one and whether I'm going for a belt drive or a chain.
 And I'm going to have a great time riding the new bike, whichever one
 it is.

 How would I choose the size? I test rode an XL Krampus, which was
 clearly too big, but still (barely) ridable for me. Should I go for L
 or M? 5'8, long torso.

 On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 5:17 PM, Eric Daume ericda...@gmail.com wrote:
  I demo'd a Krampus this weekend, and I didn't find any issues with the
  slacker head angle--and this is coming from a guy that really enjoyed a
  mountain bike with a 74* head angle.
 
 
 http://bikingtoplay.blogspot.com/2013/12/global-fat-bike-day-and-krampus.html
 
  My bike fund is in some danger...
 
  Eric Daume
  Dublin, OH
 
 
  On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Montclair BobbyB 
 montclairbob...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
  I love what Surly is doing with the 29er+ bikes (Krampus / ECR), except
  I'm not a big fan of the slightly slack headtube angle (69.5 degree)...
  maybe Surly is concerned about toe overlap (with those gargantuan
 tires)...
  still I'd rather see a longer top tube than slack head angle... For
  downhill, great... but for climbing, nimble maneuvering and certainly
 for
  touring I'd rather have something closer to 71/72.
 
  But maybe that's just me...
 
  On Sunday, December 8, 2013 6:40:54 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
 
  Not directly related to the Hunquapillar, but interesting in a
  Rivendellianisticishianesquetic way or, at very least,
  quasi-crypto-Rivendellian. Ish. And it's local, land of red 'n' green.
 
  http://gypsybytrade.wordpress.com/
 
  Patrick Moore, contemplating a lugged, more-rake fork from Chauncey for
  his Fargo in frigid ABQ, NM.
 
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