Re: [RBW] Re: sf-la coast tour thoughts and preparation
They'd last way longer than 3 days for sure. That was just how long I decided to go before switching. I know many people who stick with one pair. The Riv ones are probably 3 times thicker than the Mountain Equip. Co-op and Smartwool pairs I've had. They're definitely designed with a bike seat in mind. I can't see ever destroying them. On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 4:16 PM, drew drewbeckme...@gmail.com wrote: i was persuaded to try the merino underwear thing, since im already on the socks and shirt wagon. i had the same experience as you though. destroyed after 2 days of riding. i was using minus33, which i guess are somewhat budget. tried buying the striped riv ones, but they are out of those and the devold. would be interested to hear if other brands can last. if it's between stinking and spending 50$ on underwear that will last 3 days, i will stink. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/yb7--ojQcR8/unsubscribe . To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: sf-la coast tour thoughts and preparation
FWIW, I find that decently made nylon boxers -- loose, hi-rise -- make very comfortable riding togs -- nothing comes between me and my Target nylon boxers. The nice thing about these is that, tho' they will stink and within 24 hours if you ride much in them, they are very easy to wash and very quick to dry. And I daresay that 3 pr of these will cost less than 1 pr of decent merino undershorts. In other news, I've found merino (will have to try my other lesser-wool jerseys) jerseys are quite comfortable in temps up to 86F or so with 30% humidity or so. More on this as temps rise. On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 3:16 PM, drew drewbeckme...@gmail.com wrote: i was persuaded to try the merino underwear thing, since im already on the socks and shirt wagon. i had the same experience as you though. destroyed after 2 days of riding. i was using minus33, which i guess are somewhat budget. tried buying the striped riv ones, but they are out of those and the devold. would be interested to hear if other brands can last. if it's between stinking and spending 50$ on underwear that will last 3 days, i will stink. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten * *The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a circumference on the rim of which all conditions, distinctions, and individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu *Kinei hos eromenon. It moves as the being-loved. *Aristotle *The Love that moves the Sun and all the other stars. *Dante -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: sf-la coast tour thoughts and preparation
Drew, I've used the devold for a couple years now and only worn my first pair out. They finally just disintegrated. I think they're worth every penny. Mark, Your clothing pack list is spot on. I on the other hand have a tendency to overpack. When I'm riding I really don't need much on as I'm generating lot's of heat. Synthetic stretch shorts, devold wool (two pair to rotate) underwear, wool socks, button down lightweight synthetic shirt and windbreaker. Once off the bike for 1/2 hour I get really cold obviously depending on the current ambient temp, I usually change into light wool long underwear (which I'll sleep in ) wool socks (2nd pair), my knickers, synthetic sweater, beanie and if really cool light glove liners. I also bring a short sleeve wool base layer shirt as a back up for the button down. I suppose I could ditch the base layer but it's so light weight and compressible it's hard to leave it behind. Maybe the knickers are overkill as well but they're also lightweight and fairly compressible. I also bring cheap flip flops to shower in. Really dislike foot fungus. The above is my clothing list for an up coming two week tour. Tail Winds, ~Hugh On Jun 9, 2015 2:16 PM, drew drewbeckme...@gmail.com wrote: i was persuaded to try the merino underwear thing, since im already on the socks and shirt wagon. i had the same experience as you though. destroyed after 2 days of riding. i was using minus33, which i guess are somewhat budget. tried buying the striped riv ones, but they are out of those and the devold. would be interested to hear if other brands can last. if it's between stinking and spending 50$ on underwear that will last 3 days, i will stink. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/yb7--ojQcR8/unsubscribe . To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: sf-la coast tour thoughts and preparation
Drew, I'm heading to Vancouver Island BC for a two week tour. I pine for the PNW and further North, VI has been on my list. Next year, I'm planning on doing the Oregon Outback like Mark just finished and then some tours in the Sierra's. I'm liking the Six Moons Designs Tent tarps for lightweight compressible shelters. There are other manufacturers out there making ultra-lightweight shelters but then the cost skyrockets. When I toured the California coast I used a REI two person tent. I ditched the tent and used the rain fly footprint. I found on the coast that bugs weren't an issue just the dew. This year on my tour I'm considering the same with my Marmont Eos1, ditch the tent for the fly footprint and bring my Titanium Goat bivy (7oz). That way I'll keep the weight space at a minimum. Here's my setup. Atlantis, small campee rack up front with basket shop sack clothes only to keep the weight at a minimum. Tubus low rider rack with two small Carradice panniers usually empty but used to carry food beer into camp. Acorn handle bar bag for the stuff you grab most often, keys, wallet, camera ect... Rear: Medium Sackville Saddle sack, carrying synthetic 45f degree sleeping bag, sleeping pad, pillow, fly bivy, cook gear stove. Supported by the Nitto R14 top rack. Tail Winds, ~Hugh On Tue, Jun 9, 2015, 4:57 PM drew drewbeckme...@gmail.com wrote: hugh, where are you going? im liking all the paring down suggestions. i found a good deal on a nemo gogo, so ill be trying that out. not too much smaller than my 1 man tent, and a breeze to set up/take down. packed, it's the size of medium sized cantaloupe. right now ive got a medium saddlesack, 2 jandd mini mountain panniers and a basket. seems like i might have room to spare. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/yb7--ojQcR8/unsubscribe . To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: sf-la coast tour thoughts and preparation
The Nemo gogo is interesting, still like a tarp though a bit more versatility. Seems if you have a leak on the air frame it could be a bummer pretty small floor space height. It is a bivy though. And not cheap! Tail Winds, ~Hugh On Jun 9, 2015 4:57 PM, drew drewbeckme...@gmail.com wrote: hugh, where are you going? im liking all the paring down suggestions. i found a good deal on a nemo gogo, so ill be trying that out. not too much smaller than my 1 man tent, and a breeze to set up/take down. packed, it's the size of medium sized cantaloupe. right now ive got a medium saddlesack, 2 jandd mini mountain panniers and a basket. seems like i might have room to spare. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/yb7--ojQcR8/unsubscribe . To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: sf-la coast tour thoughts and preparation
For those using a thermarest pad, I always had good luck with their compact chair kit (I have an earlier version). Once you get a handle on how to fold it up, it works great. A little padding and lumbar support after a day of hiking or biking was always a welcome relief. John On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 2:40:13 PM UTC-7, Anne Paulson wrote: I'm taking longing looks at this sitting pad: http://www.rei.com/product/829881/therm-a-rest-z-seat-pad?cm_mmc=cse_PLA-_-pla_multichannel-_-8298810001mr:trackingCode=8338A8F1-E449-E111-BC1B-001B21631C34mr:referralID=NAmr:device=cmr:adType=pla_multichannelonlinemr:ad=52774012000mr:keyword=mr:match=mr:filter=126983827960msid=ovjLvtDz_dc|pcrid|52774012000|lsft=cm_mmc:cse_PLA#tab-specs Now that I've decided to use rear rack and panniers for my Divide trip (starts next month, yikes) I have somewhere to strap that little 2 oz pad. It would be so very handy. On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 12:34 PM, Neil neil.h...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Good start to your list. I also think you are bringing too many clothes, but preferences matter. Yes, add a headlamp. Just got back from 3 nights through southern Humboldt Co., and although it wasn't necessary, I greatly appreciated the luxury and instant warmth of my puffy coat. Oh-so-nice at the end of the day to have this single layer over a cotton t-shirt rather than layers of wool and nylon. Also, regarding transport of cooler-type items...I've always had great luck burying beer, cheese, meat, etc. in my down coat and/or sleeping bag deep in a pannier. Beer keeps cold all day, even through the late-summer heat of Oregon. Cans R better, of course. Oh, one other consideration...my buddy insists on bringing his backpacking-type camp chair on bike overnights. This isn't one of the older Thermarest-style ones, but a modern one from REI with legs. Weight is negligible to me, I think less than a pound, but is slightly bulky (like a large Nalgene bottle). I feel this item is overkill if you are in developed campgounds with picnic tables, and yet I always find myself stealing time in his chair while he is off doing camp chores. For bandit camping with no facilities, if the options are sitting on the ground or on a chair, I would bring this chair. Have fun on your trip, sounds like a blast! On Thursday, May 21, 2015 at 11:55:19 AM UTC-7, drew wrote: so ill be riding from SF-LA in a couple of weeks. this will be my first tour lasting more than a few days, so i wanted to put my plans out there and see if there is anything i should reconsider or any glaring holes im missing, or anything i still need to buy, while there is time. i've blocked out 8 days. gonna try to camp only. im mostly following bicycling the pacific coast, but if there are preferable route options, i'd be interested in those too. i know people do this without any preparation, but i have some time, and i like thinking about it. taking my hunqapillar with a carradice camper, acorn tool roll, jandd mini mountain panniers on the front, and a basket that i'm trying to leave open for food and incedentals along the way, maybe with a soft sided cooler. rear rack/camper bag tent sleeping bag/pad alcohol stove (considering bringing my biolite stove for the charging capability, but it's pretty heavy) bowl/utensils/matches/cooking stuff lock towel camera tools/maintenance 2 tubes, levers and patch kit multi tool crescent wrench pump front panniers 5 t-shirts overshirt 2 musa or musa-like pants 2 shorts underwear/socks rain jacket packable down jacket sandals toiletries chargers/ipod nano i put this list together, and it is basically the same as my s24o list, but with more clothes. im especially interested in what things beside clothes, i should be adding for a longer trip. also interested in what people do for security while going through cities with a lot of stuff strapped to their bikes. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from
Re: [RBW] Re: sf-la coast tour thoughts and preparation
I'm planning to go more or less the speed of the book, so ~70 riding days and ~12 rest days. I won't slavishly follow the book, because I'm incapable of being ordered around by books. But I expect I'll go about that speed. On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 5:54 PM, hsmitham hughsmit...@gmail.com wrote: Anne, I'm with you, I too am a side sleeper and a air mattress is a must. I've found that if I keep it slightly deflated I get a wonderful night of rest. That foam pad looks great! Super lightweight perfect for siting anywhere, just not really compressible. These days I like super compression to save on space. Your doing the entire divide? How long are you taking? ~Hugh -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: sf-la coast tour thoughts and preparation
Anne, I'm with you, I too am a side sleeper and a air mattress is a must. I've found that if I keep it slightly deflated I get a wonderful night of rest. That foam pad looks great! Super lightweight perfect for siting anywhere, just not really compressible. These days I like super compression to save on space. Your doing the entire divide? How long are you taking? ~Hugh -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: sf-la coast tour thoughts and preparation
I have had two Big Agnes pads. In both cases, they worked just great until one morning when I woke up and I was sleeping on the ground. Others have reported the same thing-- eventually they leak, unfixably. On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 4:16 PM, John Bennett johnat...@gmail.com wrote: Best sleep system, bar none, is made by Big Agnes. The inflatable pad fits into a sleeve integrated in the bag. No more slipping off. Fantastic! https://www.bigagnes.com/Products/SleepingBags Cheers, John On Thursday, May 21, 2015 at 11:55:19 AM UTC-7, drew wrote: so ill be riding from SF-LA in a couple of weeks. this will be my first tour lasting more than a few days, so i wanted to put my plans out there and see if there is anything i should reconsider or any glaring holes im missing, or anything i still need to buy, while there is time. i've blocked out 8 days. gonna try to camp only. im mostly following bicycling the pacific coast, but if there are preferable route options, i'd be interested in those too. i know people do this without any preparation, but i have some time, and i like thinking about it. taking my hunqapillar with a carradice camper, acorn tool roll, jandd mini mountain panniers on the front, and a basket that i'm trying to leave open for food and incedentals along the way, maybe with a soft sided cooler. rear rack/camper bag tent sleeping bag/pad alcohol stove (considering bringing my biolite stove for the charging capability, but it's pretty heavy) bowl/utensils/matches/cooking stuff lock towel camera tools/maintenance 2 tubes, levers and patch kit multi tool crescent wrench pump front panniers 5 t-shirts overshirt 2 musa or musa-like pants 2 shorts underwear/socks rain jacket packable down jacket sandals toiletries chargers/ipod nano i put this list together, and it is basically the same as my s24o list, but with more clothes. im especially interested in what things beside clothes, i should be adding for a longer trip. also interested in what people do for security while going through cities with a lot of stuff strapped to their bikes. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: sf-la coast tour thoughts and preparation
I'm taking longing looks at this sitting pad: http://www.rei.com/product/829881/therm-a-rest-z-seat-pad?cm_mmc=cse_PLA-_-pla_multichannel-_-8298810001mr:trackingCode=8338A8F1-E449-E111-BC1B-001B21631C34mr:referralID=NAmr:device=cmr:adType=pla_multichannelonlinemr:ad=52774012000mr:keyword=mr:match=mr:filter=126983827960msid=ovjLvtDz_dc|pcrid|52774012000|lsft=cm_mmc:cse_PLA#tab-specs Now that I've decided to use rear rack and panniers for my Divide trip (starts next month, yikes) I have somewhere to strap that little 2 oz pad. It would be so very handy. On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 12:34 PM, Neil neil.h.do...@gmail.com wrote: Good start to your list. I also think you are bringing too many clothes, but preferences matter. Yes, add a headlamp. Just got back from 3 nights through southern Humboldt Co., and although it wasn't necessary, I greatly appreciated the luxury and instant warmth of my puffy coat. Oh-so-nice at the end of the day to have this single layer over a cotton t-shirt rather than layers of wool and nylon. Also, regarding transport of cooler-type items...I've always had great luck burying beer, cheese, meat, etc. in my down coat and/or sleeping bag deep in a pannier. Beer keeps cold all day, even through the late-summer heat of Oregon. Cans R better, of course. Oh, one other consideration...my buddy insists on bringing his backpacking-type camp chair on bike overnights. This isn't one of the older Thermarest-style ones, but a modern one from REI with legs. Weight is negligible to me, I think less than a pound, but is slightly bulky (like a large Nalgene bottle). I feel this item is overkill if you are in developed campgounds with picnic tables, and yet I always find myself stealing time in his chair while he is off doing camp chores. For bandit camping with no facilities, if the options are sitting on the ground or on a chair, I would bring this chair. Have fun on your trip, sounds like a blast! On Thursday, May 21, 2015 at 11:55:19 AM UTC-7, drew wrote: so ill be riding from SF-LA in a couple of weeks. this will be my first tour lasting more than a few days, so i wanted to put my plans out there and see if there is anything i should reconsider or any glaring holes im missing, or anything i still need to buy, while there is time. i've blocked out 8 days. gonna try to camp only. im mostly following bicycling the pacific coast, but if there are preferable route options, i'd be interested in those too. i know people do this without any preparation, but i have some time, and i like thinking about it. taking my hunqapillar with a carradice camper, acorn tool roll, jandd mini mountain panniers on the front, and a basket that i'm trying to leave open for food and incedentals along the way, maybe with a soft sided cooler. rear rack/camper bag tent sleeping bag/pad alcohol stove (considering bringing my biolite stove for the charging capability, but it's pretty heavy) bowl/utensils/matches/cooking stuff lock towel camera tools/maintenance 2 tubes, levers and patch kit multi tool crescent wrench pump front panniers 5 t-shirts overshirt 2 musa or musa-like pants 2 shorts underwear/socks rain jacket packable down jacket sandals toiletries chargers/ipod nano i put this list together, and it is basically the same as my s24o list, but with more clothes. im especially interested in what things beside clothes, i should be adding for a longer trip. also interested in what people do for security while going through cities with a lot of stuff strapped to their bikes. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: sf-la coast tour thoughts and preparation
Anne, are you not taking a sleeping pad? If I use a pad to sit on (I usually don't) I just use my sleeping pad (a cut-down Thermarest Ridge foam like that). With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 3:40:13 PM UTC-6, Anne Paulson wrote: I'm taking longing looks at this sitting pad: http://www.rei.com/product/829881/therm-a-rest-z-seat-pad?cm_mmc=cse_PLA-_-pla_multichannel-_-8298810001mr:trackingCode=8338A8F1-E449-E111-BC1B-001B21631C34mr:referralID=NAmr:device=cmr:adType=pla_multichannelonlinemr:ad=52774012000mr:keyword=mr:match=mr:filter=126983827960msid=ovjLvtDz_dc|pcrid|52774012000|lsft=cm_mmc:cse_PLA#tab-specs Now that I've decided to use rear rack and panniers for my Divide trip (starts next month, yikes) I have somewhere to strap that little 2 oz pad. It would be so very handy. On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 12:34 PM, Neil neil.h...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Good start to your list. I also think you are bringing too many clothes, but preferences matter. Yes, add a headlamp. Just got back from 3 nights through southern Humboldt Co., and although it wasn't necessary, I greatly appreciated the luxury and instant warmth of my puffy coat. Oh-so-nice at the end of the day to have this single layer over a cotton t-shirt rather than layers of wool and nylon. Also, regarding transport of cooler-type items...I've always had great luck burying beer, cheese, meat, etc. in my down coat and/or sleeping bag deep in a pannier. Beer keeps cold all day, even through the late-summer heat of Oregon. Cans R better, of course. Oh, one other consideration...my buddy insists on bringing his backpacking-type camp chair on bike overnights. This isn't one of the older Thermarest-style ones, but a modern one from REI with legs. Weight is negligible to me, I think less than a pound, but is slightly bulky (like a large Nalgene bottle). I feel this item is overkill if you are in developed campgounds with picnic tables, and yet I always find myself stealing time in his chair while he is off doing camp chores. For bandit camping with no facilities, if the options are sitting on the ground or on a chair, I would bring this chair. Have fun on your trip, sounds like a blast! On Thursday, May 21, 2015 at 11:55:19 AM UTC-7, drew wrote: so ill be riding from SF-LA in a couple of weeks. this will be my first tour lasting more than a few days, so i wanted to put my plans out there and see if there is anything i should reconsider or any glaring holes im missing, or anything i still need to buy, while there is time. i've blocked out 8 days. gonna try to camp only. im mostly following bicycling the pacific coast, but if there are preferable route options, i'd be interested in those too. i know people do this without any preparation, but i have some time, and i like thinking about it. taking my hunqapillar with a carradice camper, acorn tool roll, jandd mini mountain panniers on the front, and a basket that i'm trying to leave open for food and incedentals along the way, maybe with a soft sided cooler. rear rack/camper bag tent sleeping bag/pad alcohol stove (considering bringing my biolite stove for the charging capability, but it's pretty heavy) bowl/utensils/matches/cooking stuff lock towel camera tools/maintenance 2 tubes, levers and patch kit multi tool crescent wrench pump front panniers 5 t-shirts overshirt 2 musa or musa-like pants 2 shorts underwear/socks rain jacket packable down jacket sandals toiletries chargers/ipod nano i put this list together, and it is basically the same as my s24o list, but with more clothes. im especially interested in what things beside clothes, i should be adding for a longer trip. also interested in what people do for security while going through cities with a lot of stuff strapped to their bikes. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to
Re: [RBW] Re: sf-la coast tour thoughts and preparation
Nobody old rides the Great Divide MTB. Grin. I imagine side sleepers are allowed, though I have no idea what that has to do with foam v inflatable. Grin. I am delighted you know what works for you! With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 4:43:23 PM UTC-6, Anne Paulson wrote: I'm old, and a side sleeper. No foam for me. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: sf-la coast tour thoughts and preparation
Ahhh. Got it. Is there a benefit for you of an air mattress over a foam? With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 4:05:57 PM UTC-6, Anne Paulson wrote: My sleeping pad is an air mattress. I don't want to expose it to the bare ground because it could get punctured. The beauty of that little z-pad is that it's tough enough to stand some abuse. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: sf-la coast tour thoughts and preparation
My sleeping pad is an air mattress. I don't want to expose it to the bare ground because it could get punctured. The beauty of that little z-pad is that it's tough enough to stand some abuse. On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote: Anne, are you not taking a sleeping pad? If I use a pad to sit on (I usually don't) I just use my sleeping pad (a cut-down Thermarest Ridge foam like that). With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 3:40:13 PM UTC-6, Anne Paulson wrote: I'm taking longing looks at this sitting pad: http://www.rei.com/product/829881/therm-a-rest-z-seat-pad?cm_mmc=cse_PLA-_-pla_multichannel-_-8298810001mr:trackingCode=8338A8F1-E449-E111-BC1B-001B21631C34mr:referralID=NAmr:device=cmr:adType=pla_multichannelonlinemr:ad=52774012000mr:keyword=mr:match=mr:filter=126983827960msid=ovjLvtDz_dc|pcrid|52774012000|lsft=cm_mmc:cse_PLA#tab-specs Now that I've decided to use rear rack and panniers for my Divide trip (starts next month, yikes) I have somewhere to strap that little 2 oz pad. It would be so very handy. On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 12:34 PM, Neil neil.h...@gmail.com wrote: Good start to your list. I also think you are bringing too many clothes, but preferences matter. Yes, add a headlamp. Just got back from 3 nights through southern Humboldt Co., and although it wasn't necessary, I greatly appreciated the luxury and instant warmth of my puffy coat. Oh-so-nice at the end of the day to have this single layer over a cotton t-shirt rather than layers of wool and nylon. Also, regarding transport of cooler-type items...I've always had great luck burying beer, cheese, meat, etc. in my down coat and/or sleeping bag deep in a pannier. Beer keeps cold all day, even through the late-summer heat of Oregon. Cans R better, of course. Oh, one other consideration...my buddy insists on bringing his backpacking-type camp chair on bike overnights. This isn't one of the older Thermarest-style ones, but a modern one from REI with legs. Weight is negligible to me, I think less than a pound, but is slightly bulky (like a large Nalgene bottle). I feel this item is overkill if you are in developed campgounds with picnic tables, and yet I always find myself stealing time in his chair while he is off doing camp chores. For bandit camping with no facilities, if the options are sitting on the ground or on a chair, I would bring this chair. Have fun on your trip, sounds like a blast! On Thursday, May 21, 2015 at 11:55:19 AM UTC-7, drew wrote: so ill be riding from SF-LA in a couple of weeks. this will be my first tour lasting more than a few days, so i wanted to put my plans out there and see if there is anything i should reconsider or any glaring holes im missing, or anything i still need to buy, while there is time. i've blocked out 8 days. gonna try to camp only. im mostly following bicycling the pacific coast, but if there are preferable route options, i'd be interested in those too. i know people do this without any preparation, but i have some time, and i like thinking about it. taking my hunqapillar with a carradice camper, acorn tool roll, jandd mini mountain panniers on the front, and a basket that i'm trying to leave open for food and incedentals along the way, maybe with a soft sided cooler. rear rack/camper bag tent sleeping bag/pad alcohol stove (considering bringing my biolite stove for the charging capability, but it's pretty heavy) bowl/utensils/matches/cooking stuff lock towel camera tools/maintenance 2 tubes, levers and patch kit multi tool crescent wrench pump front panniers 5 t-shirts overshirt 2 musa or musa-like pants 2 shorts underwear/socks rain jacket packable down jacket sandals toiletries chargers/ipod nano i put this list together, and it is basically the same as my s24o list, but with more clothes. im especially interested in what things beside clothes, i should be adding for a longer trip. also interested in what people do for security while going through cities with a lot of stuff strapped to their bikes. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop
Re: [RBW] Re: sf-la coast tour thoughts and preparation
I'm old, and a side sleeper. No foam for me. On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 3:09 PM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote: Ahhh. Got it. Is there a benefit for you of an air mattress over a foam? With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 4:05:57 PM UTC-6, Anne Paulson wrote: My sleeping pad is an air mattress. I don't want to expose it to the bare ground because it could get punctured. The beauty of that little z-pad is that it's tough enough to stand some abuse. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: sf-la coast tour thoughts and preparation
I disagree with leave the down at home. In all the coast hiker-biker campgrounds every night, you will see people wearing those down puffies. It gets cold at night. The last time I stayed at one of the coast hiker-bikers, the one at Half Moon Bay, I brought my down puffy jacket and was glad to have it. On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 10:33 AM, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote: Drew: I agree with the comments that you are taking too many clothes. 2 t-shirts made of a quick dry material are adequate. One wool LS jersey one SS plus the Ts give you plenty of layering options. Rain jacket yes but leave the down at home. One pair of pants. I use a cargo net like Rivendell sells to hold my stuff on the rear rack, and it is a convenient place to put damp laundry that hasn't dried out overnight. 10' of clothesline plus a few clothes pins are handy for drying in camp and don't take much space. Personally I've found multi-tools to be highly over-rated. Sure, they have everything in the world BUT they are inconvenient to use (every tried to use the chain breaker on one?). Go over your own bike see what it needs. On my Atlantis (a pretty standard Riv build), 3-4 allen keys, a small screwdriver, 8 10 mm wrenches (Park makes a very thin one) take care of most common adjustments. Trade the crescent wrench for a real chain breaker. I've lugged around a cassette cracker one each replacement spokes and have never used them, but I think that wards off broken spokes. Where in LA are you ending? And how are you getting home? Those points could effect your routing at the end. BPC is based on continuing beyond LA, and there are various options if this is your end point. At the end of your trip you'll be tired and interested in making it simple. dougP On Thursday, May 21, 2015 at 11:55:19 AM UTC-7, drew wrote: so ill be riding from SF-LA in a couple of weeks. this will be my first tour lasting more than a few days, so i wanted to put my plans out there and see if there is anything i should reconsider or any glaring holes im missing, or anything i still need to buy, while there is time. i've blocked out 8 days. gonna try to camp only. im mostly following bicycling the pacific coast, but if there are preferable route options, i'd be interested in those too. i know people do this without any preparation, but i have some time, and i like thinking about it. taking my hunqapillar with a carradice camper, acorn tool roll, jandd mini mountain panniers on the front, and a basket that i'm trying to leave open for food and incedentals along the way, maybe with a soft sided cooler. rear rack/camper bag tent sleeping bag/pad alcohol stove (considering bringing my biolite stove for the charging capability, but it's pretty heavy) bowl/utensils/matches/cooking stuff lock towel camera tools/maintenance 2 tubes, levers and patch kit multi tool crescent wrench pump front panniers 5 t-shirts overshirt 2 musa or musa-like pants 2 shorts underwear/socks rain jacket packable down jacket sandals toiletries chargers/ipod nano i put this list together, and it is basically the same as my s24o list, but with more clothes. im especially interested in what things beside clothes, i should be adding for a longer trip. also interested in what people do for security while going through cities with a lot of stuff strapped to their bikes. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: sf-la coast tour thoughts and preparation
Wow. How did I forget the BEER? http://www.adventurecycling.org/resources/blog/don-t-let-the-can-get-you-down-get-yourself-a-beer-growler-pannier/ --Eric N www.CampyOnly.com CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy On May 22, 2015, at 7:09 PM, drew drewbeckme...@gmail.com wrote: i tried to resist the down puffy jacket for a while, just because it seems like everyone in any outdoor setting has them. it truly is a great piece of travel gear though. i take mine on any and all trips, bike or un-bike related. sidenote- rei and campsaver have the patagonia nano puffs on sale this weekend. not down, but warm, ok with getting wet, and extremely compactable -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: sf-la coast tour thoughts and preparation
I agree with Anne. It might not be the most socially responsible place to buy down clothing, but I got mine from Uniqlo. Their ultralight down jackets are super cheap, very fashionable, and it comes with its own ultralight stuffsack. I use mine for lounging in camp, and then stuff it into my pillowcase when I bed-down. It's a jacket and a pillow. On Friday, May 22, 2015 at 12:52:55 PM UTC-7, Anne Paulson wrote: I disagree with leave the down at home. In all the coast hiker-biker campgrounds every night, you will see people wearing those down puffies. It gets cold at night. The last time I stayed at one of the coast hiker-bikers, the one at Half Moon Bay, I brought my down puffy jacket and was glad to have it. On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 10:33 AM, dougP doug...@cox.net javascript: wrote: Drew: I agree with the comments that you are taking too many clothes. 2 t-shirts made of a quick dry material are adequate. One wool LS jersey one SS plus the Ts give you plenty of layering options. Rain jacket yes but leave the down at home. One pair of pants. I use a cargo net like Rivendell sells to hold my stuff on the rear rack, and it is a convenient place to put damp laundry that hasn't dried out overnight. 10' of clothesline plus a few clothes pins are handy for drying in camp and don't take much space. Personally I've found multi-tools to be highly over-rated. Sure, they have everything in the world BUT they are inconvenient to use (every tried to use the chain breaker on one?). Go over your own bike see what it needs. On my Atlantis (a pretty standard Riv build), 3-4 allen keys, a small screwdriver, 8 10 mm wrenches (Park makes a very thin one) take care of most common adjustments. Trade the crescent wrench for a real chain breaker. I've lugged around a cassette cracker one each replacement spokes and have never used them, but I think that wards off broken spokes. Where in LA are you ending? And how are you getting home? Those points could effect your routing at the end. BPC is based on continuing beyond LA, and there are various options if this is your end point. At the end of your trip you'll be tired and interested in making it simple. dougP On Thursday, May 21, 2015 at 11:55:19 AM UTC-7, drew wrote: so ill be riding from SF-LA in a couple of weeks. this will be my first tour lasting more than a few days, so i wanted to put my plans out there and see if there is anything i should reconsider or any glaring holes im missing, or anything i still need to buy, while there is time. i've blocked out 8 days. gonna try to camp only. im mostly following bicycling the pacific coast, but if there are preferable route options, i'd be interested in those too. i know people do this without any preparation, but i have some time, and i like thinking about it. taking my hunqapillar with a carradice camper, acorn tool roll, jandd mini mountain panniers on the front, and a basket that i'm trying to leave open for food and incedentals along the way, maybe with a soft sided cooler. rear rack/camper bag tent sleeping bag/pad alcohol stove (considering bringing my biolite stove for the charging capability, but it's pretty heavy) bowl/utensils/matches/cooking stuff lock towel camera tools/maintenance 2 tubes, levers and patch kit multi tool crescent wrench pump front panniers 5 t-shirts overshirt 2 musa or musa-like pants 2 shorts underwear/socks rain jacket packable down jacket sandals toiletries chargers/ipod nano i put this list together, and it is basically the same as my s24o list, but with more clothes. im especially interested in what things beside clothes, i should be adding for a longer trip. also interested in what people do for security while going through cities with a lot of stuff strapped to their bikes. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to
Re: [RBW] Re: sf-la coast tour thoughts and preparation
For even more getting off Highway 1, instead of exiting at Pescadero Creek Road, take Stage Road just north of San Gregorio. That takes you to Pescadero, where you can go left on Pescadero Creek Road, then take Cloverdale Gazos Creek as Bill describes. Stage Road has two moderate climbs, but it's deserted and beautiful. On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 11:18 AM, Bill Lindsay tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Speaking of side routes, I highly recommend getting off Hwy1 at Pescadero Creek Road, right on Cloverdale Road, right on Gazos Creek Road. That adds a tiny bit of distance and a bit of climbing but it is removed from the Hwy 1 traffic for a bit, and takes you through a couple cute towns. You'll still make it to Santa Cruz on Day 1. All the Central Coast Randonneurs know that loop. On Friday, May 22, 2015 at 11:02:43 AM UTC-7, dougP wrote: Drew: Re: Anne's comment: There's an oil spill at Refugio State Beach, north of Santa Barbara. You have an option to go inland there. Do so. The campgrounds along the coast are closed anyway because of the spill. As of today, they are estimating weeks to months for the cleanup so likely the campgrounds will remain closed. In BPC this is the Santa Ynez Valley Alternate. San Marcos Pass gets lots of high speed traffic BUT there is an old road roughly paralleling SR 154. BPC says at mile 36.5 start 4 mile climb. Before that, on the left side of the highway look for Paradise Rd or a sign to Paradise. Take this, keeping the main highway in sight on your right (there are a couple of forks). This road crosses under the main highway where it is up on a very tall bridge and continues up to the Cold Spring Tavern and eventually rejoins SR 154 at the summit. It has steeper sections but is lightly trafficked and more scenic. After you re-join SR 154, it's all downhill to Santa Barbara. A couple of miles down from the pass, on your right is Old San Marcos Pass Rd, another lightly trafficked alternate that ends at Cathedral Oaks Rd. Turn left (east) on Cathedral Oaks, the right (south) on Turnpike Rd (at Tucker's Grove park). After Turnpike crosses the 101 freeway RR tracks, turn left on Hollister (near San Marcos HS) to re-join the BPC route. dougP On Thursday, May 21, 2015 at 11:55:19 AM UTC-7, drew wrote: so ill be riding from SF-LA in a couple of weeks. this will be my first tour lasting more than a few days, so i wanted to put my plans out there and see if there is anything i should reconsider or any glaring holes im missing, or anything i still need to buy, while there is time. i've blocked out 8 days. gonna try to camp only. im mostly following bicycling the pacific coast, but if there are preferable route options, i'd be interested in those too. i know people do this without any preparation, but i have some time, and i like thinking about it. taking my hunqapillar with a carradice camper, acorn tool roll, jandd mini mountain panniers on the front, and a basket that i'm trying to leave open for food and incedentals along the way, maybe with a soft sided cooler. rear rack/camper bag tent sleeping bag/pad alcohol stove (considering bringing my biolite stove for the charging capability, but it's pretty heavy) bowl/utensils/matches/cooking stuff lock towel camera tools/maintenance 2 tubes, levers and patch kit multi tool crescent wrench pump front panniers 5 t-shirts overshirt 2 musa or musa-like pants 2 shorts underwear/socks rain jacket packable down jacket sandals toiletries chargers/ipod nano i put this list together, and it is basically the same as my s24o list, but with more clothes. im especially interested in what things beside clothes, i should be adding for a longer trip. also interested in what people do for security while going through cities with a lot of stuff strapped to their bikes. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: sf-la coast tour thoughts and preparation
Gear: Three T-shirts are fine. Do laundry along the way. Are you bringing sunblock? You'll need soap for the showers. And quarters. You didn't list alcohol for the stove. A light hat with a brim is nice for when the sun is out, and I definitely recommend a wool hat for evenings. Riding on the coast is a lot different than riding in dry Colorado. It's easy for your clothing to dry, if you're in Colorado, but along the coast things take forever to dry. Route: On the first day, take Old San Pedro Mountain Road aka Planet of the Apes. It's not a road; it's a trail, but very ridable on a touring bike. There's an oil spill at Refugio State Beach, north of Santa Barbara. You have an option to go inland there. Do so. The campgrounds along the coast are closed anyway because of the spill. On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 6:08 PM, drew drewbeckme...@gmail.com wrote: Haha, a towel is on the list. don't worry, ive made that mistake before. see, im fine sleeping on the ground, but my weakness is in wanting something clean to put on when i wake up from riding all day and sleeping on the ground. hence the shirts, which are not a problem on 2 or 3 day rides. i like the idea of minimizing and washing on the way, though i don't know if i can ride with wet clothes on. maybe a 2 day rotation system so one set has a day to dry... my sweat is not as sweet as yours patrick. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
