Re: [RBW] Re: thoughts on the current state of the Riv-ish bicycle marketplace
On Fri, 2013-04-19 at 19:16 -0700, sameness wrote: As a huge SunTour fan, I do catch that ever-so-faint whiff of marketing revisionism. My recollection of most of their technological innovations and attendant high-end parts were, err... geared decidedly towards racing, both on and off road. The VGT Luxe and Compe V were by far the best touring equipment of their era, so far ahead there was nothing in second place. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: thoughts on the current state of the Riv-ish bicycle marketplace
Plus, the Twin Cities has a history of bike shops that cater to non racers. Not as exclusively as Jim does, but they have been here. We seem to be unusual in that respect. On Apr 20, 2013 7:39 AM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: Chris W: that's a good point. I sorta live in a bubble. Not only do I work in a shop where we deal with approximately zero actual racers, very few of my customers own or ride mass market road bikes. Of course, in the twin cities, one can't miss the broad presence of Surly. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: thoughts on the current state of the Riv-ish bicycle marketplace
I see tons of people on steel bikes with the handlebars up high riding around Burlington, VT. Ah, that's probably thanks to the fine folks at the Old Spokes Home! Great bunch there! Cheers! lyle On 20 April 2013 18:20, Zack zack...@gmail.com wrote: I am obviously not plugged into the bike store world, but I can say I see tons of people on steel bikes with the handlebars up high riding around Burlington, VT. It brings a smile to my face pretty much every time. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- lyle f bogart dpt 156 bradford rd wiscasset, me 04578 207.882.6494 206.794.6937 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: thoughts on the current state of the Riv-ish bicycle marketplace
I think Grant was the principal moving force behind the
steel/quality/comfortable road bike that is pretty common today. Perhaps he
was just leading at the crest of an already existing wave, but as someone
who bought an XO-1 in 1993 ('92 model) and followed Bridgestone and then
Rivendell from that point, I know the so-to-speak desert that existed until
the mid 2000s.
On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 5:37 PM, jpp paste...@notes.udayton.edu wrote:
I dont think Grant is given his credit on this issue. Many large
manufactures (trek, etc...) offer nice city bikes with plenty of rack
mounts. Plus just look at all the bike at NAHBS, there is no way most of
those bikes would look like they do if there was no Riv. Plus surly, soma
and salsa fill in nicely for people looking for riv style bike at a lower
price point (all three derived from the book of riv in my opinion).
On Friday, April 19, 2013 5:15:03 PM UTC-4, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
wrote:
In the recent thread about SunTour's comeback, this quote was presented:
Junzo feels the time is right to re-enter the bicycle component
business. As he puts it “the market is too race-centric; carbon fiber,
electric shifting, full suspension, 11 speed, doesn’t really enhance the
enjoyment of cycling. In the 1970’s and 80’s we cycled to be closer to
nature, for the environment, for our health, for the simple beauty of
cycling.” For these reasons SunXCD will focus on touring and randonneuring
components which were the focus of SunTour during its heyday.
Of course, most of us Riv fans will note that this echoes Grant's
published opinions over the years, as well as the sales pitches of a few
brands who've tried, with varying success, to get into the Riv-ish segment
of the market. I discovered Riv almost 10 years ago because I wanted a
certain type of bike that didn't seem to exist at local shops. What I
wanted was a touring bike, and the Atlantis I bought filled that desire.
Had I been able to find a Trek 520 locally, or if the LHT existed back
then, my story may have taken some different turns. But it was certainly
true back then that any readily available higher quality bike was going to
be some kind of impractical skinny tire road bike. Not my style.
But things have changed drastically. Sure, many of us are baffled by
electronic shifting and seemingly delicate CF and 11-sp cassettes that have
become available. But at the same time, a HUGE variety of touring and
adventure bikes, parts, and accessories have become not only available,
but mainstream. So while I wish Junzo and SunTour success, I thought his
rationale seemed hollow, or at least 5-10 years too late.
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