Re: [RBW] Roadini heavy?

[Catherina Gioino]

I think they'd be pretty comparable. I have 700C wheel set on a 52cm frame 
with the Tektro R559s as well, and there's plenty of head room between the 
tire and the fork and just enough between the brake pads. Good luck with 
the fenders!

On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 2:58:53 PM UTC-5 Dorothy C wrote:

> Cat, which wheel size Roadini do you have?  I am running 650b 32mm Grand 
> Bois Cypres with Velo Orange fenders. I just changed the rear brake to a 
> Paul Racer, from Tektro R559, and I will be replacing the front brake with 
> a Paul Racer also, when some spare parts arrive. I would like to be able to 
> use 38’s even if I have to take the fenders off, as 650b / 32s are such a 
> hard size to find. I got the current tires from Blue Lug in Japan. 
>
> Dorothy in Los Angeles 
>
> On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 9:52:07 PM UTC-8 Catherina Gioino wrote:
>
>> I love the Roadini's size and it doesn't at all feel sluggish to ride. 
>> For context, I've only ever ridden steel-frame cheap Craigslist road bike 
>> finds like Panasonic and more, or my Surly Crosscheck, so if anything, the 
>> Roadini feels like a breeze. 
>>
>> I can absolutely vouch for that need for speed though-- my boyfriend is 
>> constantly whirring past on his Clem but when we took a ride recently, he 
>> was struggling to catch up. And for the tire clearance question-- I 
>> switched my Vittoria 28mm Corsa tires to 38mm Rene Herse and they ride like 
>> a charm
>>
>> Cat in Queens
>>
>> [image: Screen Shot 2022-01-31 at 4.00.06 PM.png]
>> On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 3:44:07 PM UTC-5 mrg...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I love my Roadini (size 57, I'm 87 PBH) with wavie bars; it is one of my 
>>> favorite bikes. I had tried to write a list of reasons but really it's just 
>>> this one:
>>>  
>>> - it is a blast to ride 
>>>
>>> I'm sorry I can't answer the "sluggish and heavy" question, it feels 
>>> pretty fun to me. My experience is surely different from a lighter and 
>>> racier rider though. IMHO this comment from Bill Lindsay is very wise: 
>>> https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/_I9Rs_7FmfE/m/eu1birv2BQAJ 
>>> (Hope it's OK to re-link Bill)
>>>
>>> Sounds like you just need to find someone nearby with road-ish (Homer, 
>>> Sam, Road*, etc) Riv and try it out. Only way to know for sure. It's a 
>>> frustrating place to be (remembering back before I had a chance to ride any 
>>> Riv) but fixable probably before the next Roadini shipment. They do still 
>>> have Homers in stock. Definitely call and talk to Riv and see what they say 
>>> too.
>>>
>>> mike in atx
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Roadini heavy?

[Dorothy C]

Cat, which wheel size Roadini do you have?  I am running 650b 32mm Grand 
Bois Cypres with Velo Orange fenders. I just changed the rear brake to a 
Paul Racer, from Tektro R559, and I will be replacing the front brake with 
a Paul Racer also, when some spare parts arrive. I would like to be able to 
use 38’s even if I have to take the fenders off, as 650b / 32s are such a 
hard size to find. I got the current tires from Blue Lug in Japan. 

Dorothy in Los Angeles 

On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 9:52:07 PM UTC-8 Catherina Gioino wrote:

> I love the Roadini's size and it doesn't at all feel sluggish to ride. For 
> context, I've only ever ridden steel-frame cheap Craigslist road bike finds 
> like Panasonic and more, or my Surly Crosscheck, so if anything, the 
> Roadini feels like a breeze. 
>
> I can absolutely vouch for that need for speed though-- my boyfriend is 
> constantly whirring past on his Clem but when we took a ride recently, he 
> was struggling to catch up. And for the tire clearance question-- I 
> switched my Vittoria 28mm Corsa tires to 38mm Rene Herse and they ride like 
> a charm
>
> Cat in Queens
>
> [image: Screen Shot 2022-01-31 at 4.00.06 PM.png]
> On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 3:44:07 PM UTC-5 mrg...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I love my Roadini (size 57, I'm 87 PBH) with wavie bars; it is one of my 
>> favorite bikes. I had tried to write a list of reasons but really it's just 
>> this one:
>>  
>> - it is a blast to ride 
>>
>> I'm sorry I can't answer the "sluggish and heavy" question, it feels 
>> pretty fun to me. My experience is surely different from a lighter and 
>> racier rider though. IMHO this comment from Bill Lindsay is very wise: 
>> https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/_I9Rs_7FmfE/m/eu1birv2BQAJ 
>> (Hope it's OK to re-link Bill)
>>
>> Sounds like you just need to find someone nearby with road-ish (Homer, 
>> Sam, Road*, etc) Riv and try it out. Only way to know for sure. It's a 
>> frustrating place to be (remembering back before I had a chance to ride any 
>> Riv) but fixable probably before the next Roadini shipment. They do still 
>> have Homers in stock. Definitely call and talk to Riv and see what they say 
>> too.
>>
>> mike in atx
>>
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Roadini heavy?

[ascpgh]

Joe, 

While not a Roadini and not an answer to weight concerns, I  had similar 
outcomes with tires on my Rambouillet. 

My Ram came with 700 x 33.3 tires and most of the next decade I rode it on 
28s. I had a few experiments with other tire sizes and during some 
fenderless summers, up to 38s which is when I realized that all of the tire 
sizes that physically fit the in frame, fork and brake calipers do not 
interchange without consequence. The 38's pneumatic trail took my bike out 
of its sweet handling envelope. The potential extra comfort they offered 
was voided by the effect on handling and the return to the nice handling 
behavior of 32s more than made up for their lesser air volume. Stampede 
Pass ELs seem made for this bike. The impression of any tIre size on a bike 
has to include the handling because the outcome is not an improvement if 
you now have to spend twice the mental bandwidth to point the bike than 
when on smaller tires.

My need for greater volume tires necessitated another bike, one designed 
around adequately sized wheels and tires. Rivendell had no need to expand 
the tire capacity of the Rambouillet with the Atlantis on the next page of 
the catalog. That included way too many bugaboos with handling consequences 
and likely motivating for their early campaign for conversions to 650B 
wheels and tires for more air volume without elevating a bike out of its 
intended handling.

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh
On Sunday, January 30, 2022 at 3:10:07 PM UTC-5 jmlmu...@gmail.com wrote:

> Karl,
>
> I'll share my odd experience with 38mm tires. The bike came from Neal with 
> 35mm tires that are if I remember correctly, Soma's version of Pasela's. 
> They rode great and I was happy with them. I had a chance to try Rene 
> Hearse extra light Barlow Pass 38mm tires and they felt...not right. I 
> didn't ride with them very long as my initial impression was that the 54cm 
> Roadini likes being on 35mm. The steering felt different with the 
> 38's...not as organic if that makes sense. And the difference in ride 
> quality wasn't enough for me to warrant keeping them. I'd likely notice a 
> bigger difference going from 32-38 but 35-38 wasn't much. It actually felt 
> more sluggish with the extra light 38mm tires...contrary to RH's philosophy 
> of supple tires = faster. Maybe I just didn't spend enough time with them 
> dialing the sweet spot with tire pressure. I went back to 35mm.
>
> Joe
>
> On Sunday, January 30, 2022 at 11:36:29 AM UTC-8 kwi...@weimar.edu wrote:
>
>> Jeff,
>> How did the 38mm tires work out on the Roadini?  I have the first 
>> generation/shipment Roadini (gray/silver color), and I did not think that 
>> the frame would allow 38c tires.  
>> Cheers,
>> Karl
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 30, 2022 at 9:56 AM Jeff B  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I own a Roadini that I bought from the other Joe who replied in the 
>>> thread.
>>>
>>> I wouldn't consider my Roadini heavy, for what it is. I've certainly 
>>> built lighter bikes for customers including an S-Works Utralight Tarmac, 
>>> which tipped the scale just under 13lbs. I ride a 54 Roadini at 5'11" but 
>>> always thought it would be fun to ty a 57.
>>>
>>> The general weight of most club ride bikes (specialized tarmac, Roubaix, 
>>> venge, cervelo s & r series, etc) I've weighed come in at 16.75lbs WITHOUT 
>>> saddle bags or bottles.
>>> Some of those riders use a saddlebag but many put their flat kit, phone, 
>>> arm warmers, etc in their jersey pocket. I think of it though that I'm 
>>> riding the horse so why should the lumber be on my back so, I use a Swift 
>>> Industries handlebar bag which can carry ample supplies.
>>> My Roadini comes in at 25lbs with 2 tubes, a multi-tool, tire lever & 
>>> mini pump. I routinely carry my wallet & phone in there too along with 
>>> house/car keys, sunglasses, snacks and anything else that might be helpful 
>>> on a ride.
>>>
>>> Like Johnny said, you can make a bike feel pretty light with a good 
>>> wheel set and ironically the club riders who add aero wheels to their bike 
>>> end up adding an extra few pounds because there is simply more material 
>>> there. I just use excellent aluminum wheels (HED Belgium with DT Swiss 240 
>>> hubs) to keep the weight down and keep the bike feeling spry. I am also 
>>> geared down compared to most road bikes. 
>>>
>>> My 11 speed setup is a 14-30 cassette with 44/28 chainrings. This gives 
>>> me a low gear inch of 25.5 and a high of 86.1 on 35mm tires. This came to 
>>> be from watching people's cassettes who's gearing was the standard 11-28, 
>>> 50/34. They were always in the 50 tooth chainring but cross chained up in 
>>> the19 or 21 tooth in the rear so they could spin the cadence fast enough. I 
>>> find that my gearing allows me to spin pretty fast on the Roadini, which 
>>> makes the bike feel lively to me. I've never needed the 100+ gear inches 
>>> that usually comes with the standard 11 speed road bike set up but a do 
>>> really appreciate having a 

Re: [RBW] Roadini heavy?

[Joe Mullins]

Karl,

I'll share my odd experience with 38mm tires. The bike came from Neal with 
35mm tires that are if I remember correctly, Soma's version of Pasela's. 
They rode great and I was happy with them. I had a chance to try Rene 
Hearse extra light Barlow Pass 38mm tires and they felt...not right. I 
didn't ride with them very long as my initial impression was that the 54cm 
Roadini likes being on 35mm. The steering felt different with the 
38's...not as organic if that makes sense. And the difference in ride 
quality wasn't enough for me to warrant keeping them. I'd likely notice a 
bigger difference going from 32-38 but 35-38 wasn't much. It actually felt 
more sluggish with the extra light 38mm tires...contrary to RH's philosophy 
of supple tires = faster. Maybe I just didn't spend enough time with them 
dialing the sweet spot with tire pressure. I went back to 35mm.

Joe

On Sunday, January 30, 2022 at 11:36:29 AM UTC-8 kwi...@weimar.edu wrote:

> Jeff,
> How did the 38mm tires work out on the Roadini?  I have the first 
> generation/shipment Roadini (gray/silver color), and I did not think that 
> the frame would allow 38c tires.  
> Cheers,
> Karl
>
> On Sun, Jan 30, 2022 at 9:56 AM Jeff B  wrote:
>
>>
>> I own a Roadini that I bought from the other Joe who replied in the 
>> thread.
>>
>> I wouldn't consider my Roadini heavy, for what it is. I've certainly 
>> built lighter bikes for customers including an S-Works Utralight Tarmac, 
>> which tipped the scale just under 13lbs. I ride a 54 Roadini at 5'11" but 
>> always thought it would be fun to ty a 57.
>>
>> The general weight of most club ride bikes (specialized tarmac, Roubaix, 
>> venge, cervelo s & r series, etc) I've weighed come in at 16.75lbs WITHOUT 
>> saddle bags or bottles.
>> Some of those riders use a saddlebag but many put their flat kit, phone, 
>> arm warmers, etc in their jersey pocket. I think of it though that I'm 
>> riding the horse so why should the lumber be on my back so, I use a Swift 
>> Industries handlebar bag which can carry ample supplies.
>> My Roadini comes in at 25lbs with 2 tubes, a multi-tool, tire lever & 
>> mini pump. I routinely carry my wallet & phone in there too along with 
>> house/car keys, sunglasses, snacks and anything else that might be helpful 
>> on a ride.
>>
>> Like Johnny said, you can make a bike feel pretty light with a good wheel 
>> set and ironically the club riders who add aero wheels to their bike end up 
>> adding an extra few pounds because there is simply more material there. I 
>> just use excellent aluminum wheels (HED Belgium with DT Swiss 240 hubs) to 
>> keep the weight down and keep the bike feeling spry. I am also geared down 
>> compared to most road bikes. 
>>
>> My 11 speed setup is a 14-30 cassette with 44/28 chainrings. This gives 
>> me a low gear inch of 25.5 and a high of 86.1 on 35mm tires. This came to 
>> be from watching people's cassettes who's gearing was the standard 11-28, 
>> 50/34. They were always in the 50 tooth chainring but cross chained up in 
>> the19 or 21 tooth in the rear so they could spin the cadence fast enough. I 
>> find that my gearing allows me to spin pretty fast on the Roadini, which 
>> makes the bike feel lively to me. I've never needed the 100+ gear inches 
>> that usually comes with the standard 11 speed road bike set up but a do 
>> really appreciate having a .933:1 (sub1:1) gear ratio for climbing so again 
>> I can spin seated up a hill while most are grinding away out of the saddle 
>> at 10 rpm.
>>
>> Like Karl said, I've also hit close to 50mph on a decent to Estes Park CO 
>> and the bike felt so stable it's miraculous. Some of the other guys, 
>> especially the one riding a Venge with aero wheels, were getting blown all 
>> over the road because the tall profile carbon frame & wheels were like a 
>> sail catching the wind. Maybe because the Roadini had more weight it was 
>> more planted and glued to the road so I was able to concentrate on the ride 
>> & not fighting the bike to stay straight. I found the steering to be really 
>> easy on that ride too.
>>
>> To me it really is about having a bike that offers so much more from the 
>> normal club racer. The geometry, sloping top tube, ability for wide tires, 
>> quill stem to adjust handlebar height throughout the day without silly 
>> steer tube extenders, braze ons for simple racks, ability to run multiple 
>> gear configurations (sti or downtube shifters), larger tire ability 
>> (Largest I've used is 38mm) and a bike that will last forever means I 
>> probably won't get rid of this frame for a long time. However, I'm nt sure 
>> I'd get the latest batch with the longer reach calipers. A few people I 
>> know with those longer calipers say they lack the power needed & I think 
>> there have been a few instances in BQ where Jan found them substandard. I 
>> have no experience with them though so I cannot confirm.
>>
>> If I did want to expand on my Roadini though and get 

Re: [RBW] Roadini heavy?

[Karl Wilcox]

Jeff,
How did the 38mm tires work out on the Roadini?  I have the first
generation/shipment Roadini (gray/silver color), and I did not think that
the frame would allow 38c tires.
Cheers,
Karl

On Sun, Jan 30, 2022 at 9:56 AM Jeff B  wrote:

>
> I own a Roadini that I bought from the other Joe who replied in the thread.
>
> I wouldn't consider my Roadini heavy, for what it is. I've certainly built
> lighter bikes for customers including an S-Works Utralight Tarmac, which
> tipped the scale just under 13lbs. I ride a 54 Roadini at 5'11" but always
> thought it would be fun to ty a 57.
>
> The general weight of most club ride bikes (specialized tarmac, Roubaix,
> venge, cervelo s & r series, etc) I've weighed come in at 16.75lbs WITHOUT
> saddle bags or bottles.
> Some of those riders use a saddlebag but many put their flat kit, phone,
> arm warmers, etc in their jersey pocket. I think of it though that I'm
> riding the horse so why should the lumber be on my back so, I use a Swift
> Industries handlebar bag which can carry ample supplies.
> My Roadini comes in at 25lbs with 2 tubes, a multi-tool, tire lever & mini
> pump. I routinely carry my wallet & phone in there too along with house/car
> keys, sunglasses, snacks and anything else that might be helpful on a ride.
>
> Like Johnny said, you can make a bike feel pretty light with a good wheel
> set and ironically the club riders who add aero wheels to their bike end up
> adding an extra few pounds because there is simply more material there. I
> just use excellent aluminum wheels (HED Belgium with DT Swiss 240 hubs) to
> keep the weight down and keep the bike feeling spry. I am also geared down
> compared to most road bikes.
>
> My 11 speed setup is a 14-30 cassette with 44/28 chainrings. This gives me
> a low gear inch of 25.5 and a high of 86.1 on 35mm tires. This came to be
> from watching people's cassettes who's gearing was the standard 11-28,
> 50/34. They were always in the 50 tooth chainring but cross chained up in
> the19 or 21 tooth in the rear so they could spin the cadence fast enough. I
> find that my gearing allows me to spin pretty fast on the Roadini, which
> makes the bike feel lively to me. I've never needed the 100+ gear inches
> that usually comes with the standard 11 speed road bike set up but a do
> really appreciate having a .933:1 (sub1:1) gear ratio for climbing so again
> I can spin seated up a hill while most are grinding away out of the saddle
> at 10 rpm.
>
> Like Karl said, I've also hit close to 50mph on a decent to Estes Park CO
> and the bike felt so stable it's miraculous. Some of the other guys,
> especially the one riding a Venge with aero wheels, were getting blown all
> over the road because the tall profile carbon frame & wheels were like a
> sail catching the wind. Maybe because the Roadini had more weight it was
> more planted and glued to the road so I was able to concentrate on the ride
> & not fighting the bike to stay straight. I found the steering to be really
> easy on that ride too.
>
> To me it really is about having a bike that offers so much more from the
> normal club racer. The geometry, sloping top tube, ability for wide tires,
> quill stem to adjust handlebar height throughout the day without silly
> steer tube extenders, braze ons for simple racks, ability to run multiple
> gear configurations (sti or downtube shifters), larger tire ability
> (Largest I've used is 38mm) and a bike that will last forever means I
> probably won't get rid of this frame for a long time. However, I'm nt sure
> I'd get the latest batch with the longer reach calipers. A few people I
> know with those longer calipers say they lack the power needed & I think
> there have been a few instances in BQ where Jan found them substandard. I
> have no experience with them though so I cannot confirm.
>
> If I did want to expand on my Roadini though and get something lighter, I
> would look at David Kirk. He built himself, what he calls, a Montana Road
> Bike which is probably closer to a Roadeo in terms of geo and non threaded
> steer but his craftsmanship is beautiful & I'm sure it weighs loads less
> being made from stainless tubes fillet brazed. He has an instagram post
> from Dec 3, 2021 about that bike which really sums up what I think a road
> bike should be.
>
> And lastly, If you are looking for Roadini inspiration with alternate
> bars, just google image search for "bluelug roadini". There will be a few
> photos of them with albatross, mustache and even chocomoose bars.
>
> Jeff, Woodland
>
> On Sunday, January 30, 2022 at 6:04:31 AM UTC-8 nlerner wrote:
>
>> On Saturday, January 29, 2022 at 9:19:13 PM UTC-5 jmlmu...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Neal,
>>>
>>> I’m the one you sold the Roadini to and I’m happy to report that I’m
>>> loving it! I swapped the 80mm stem for a 60mm and it put me in a slightly
>>> more upright position which causes no pain whatsoever. Every other drop bar
>>> bike I’ve owned just didn’t feel right after 

Re: [RBW] Roadini heavy?

[Jeff B]

I own a Roadini that I bought from the other Joe who replied in the thread.

I wouldn't consider my Roadini heavy, for what it is. I've certainly built 
lighter bikes for customers including an S-Works Utralight Tarmac, which 
tipped the scale just under 13lbs. I ride a 54 Roadini at 5'11" but always 
thought it would be fun to ty a 57.

The general weight of most club ride bikes (specialized tarmac, Roubaix, 
venge, cervelo s & r series, etc) I've weighed come in at 16.75lbs WITHOUT 
saddle bags or bottles.
Some of those riders use a saddlebag but many put their flat kit, phone, 
arm warmers, etc in their jersey pocket. I think of it though that I'm 
riding the horse so why should the lumber be on my back so, I use a Swift 
Industries handlebar bag which can carry ample supplies.
My Roadini comes in at 25lbs with 2 tubes, a multi-tool, tire lever & mini 
pump. I routinely carry my wallet & phone in there too along with house/car 
keys, sunglasses, snacks and anything else that might be helpful on a ride.

Like Johnny said, you can make a bike feel pretty light with a good wheel 
set and ironically the club riders who add aero wheels to their bike end up 
adding an extra few pounds because there is simply more material there. I 
just use excellent aluminum wheels (HED Belgium with DT Swiss 240 hubs) to 
keep the weight down and keep the bike feeling spry. I am also geared down 
compared to most road bikes. 

My 11 speed setup is a 14-30 cassette with 44/28 chainrings. This gives me 
a low gear inch of 25.5 and a high of 86.1 on 35mm tires. This came to be 
from watching people's cassettes who's gearing was the standard 11-28, 
50/34. They were always in the 50 tooth chainring but cross chained up in 
the19 or 21 tooth in the rear so they could spin the cadence fast enough. I 
find that my gearing allows me to spin pretty fast on the Roadini, which 
makes the bike feel lively to me. I've never needed the 100+ gear inches 
that usually comes with the standard 11 speed road bike set up but a do 
really appreciate having a .933:1 (sub1:1) gear ratio for climbing so again 
I can spin seated up a hill while most are grinding away out of the saddle 
at 10 rpm.

Like Karl said, I've also hit close to 50mph on a decent to Estes Park CO 
and the bike felt so stable it's miraculous. Some of the other guys, 
especially the one riding a Venge with aero wheels, were getting blown all 
over the road because the tall profile carbon frame & wheels were like a 
sail catching the wind. Maybe because the Roadini had more weight it was 
more planted and glued to the road so I was able to concentrate on the ride 
& not fighting the bike to stay straight. I found the steering to be really 
easy on that ride too.

To me it really is about having a bike that offers so much more from the 
normal club racer. The geometry, sloping top tube, ability for wide tires, 
quill stem to adjust handlebar height throughout the day without silly 
steer tube extenders, braze ons for simple racks, ability to run multiple 
gear configurations (sti or downtube shifters), larger tire ability 
(Largest I've used is 38mm) and a bike that will last forever means I 
probably won't get rid of this frame for a long time. However, I'm nt sure 
I'd get the latest batch with the longer reach calipers. A few people I 
know with those longer calipers say they lack the power needed & I think 
there have been a few instances in BQ where Jan found them substandard. I 
have no experience with them though so I cannot confirm.

If I did want to expand on my Roadini though and get something lighter, I 
would look at David Kirk. He built himself, what he calls, a Montana Road 
Bike which is probably closer to a Roadeo in terms of geo and non threaded 
steer but his craftsmanship is beautiful & I'm sure it weighs loads less 
being made from stainless tubes fillet brazed. He has an instagram post 
from Dec 3, 2021 about that bike which really sums up what I think a road 
bike should be.

And lastly, If you are looking for Roadini inspiration with alternate bars, 
just google image search for "bluelug roadini". There will be a few photos 
of them with albatross, mustache and even chocomoose bars. 

Jeff, Woodland

On Sunday, January 30, 2022 at 6:04:31 AM UTC-8 nlerner wrote:

> On Saturday, January 29, 2022 at 9:19:13 PM UTC-5 jmlmu...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Neal,
>>
>> I’m the one you sold the Roadini to and I’m happy to report that I’m 
>> loving it! I swapped the 80mm stem for a 60mm and it put me in a slightly 
>> more upright position which causes no pain whatsoever. Every other drop bar 
>> bike I’ve owned just didn’t feel right after a few hours of riding. Thank 
>> you again!
>>
>> Joe
>> Los Angeles, CA
>>
>
> Joe, that's great to hear. And a great example of how 
> individual/ideosyncratic the fit and ride qualities of any bike might be. 
> Ride in good health!
>
> Neal Lerner
> Brookline MA USA 
>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 29, 2022, at 3:43 PM, nlerner  wrote:
>>

Re: [RBW] Roadini heavy?

[nlerner]

On Saturday, January 29, 2022 at 9:19:13 PM UTC-5 jmlmu...@gmail.com wrote:

> Neal,
>
> I’m the one you sold the Roadini to and I’m happy to report that I’m 
> loving it! I swapped the 80mm stem for a 60mm and it put me in a slightly 
> more upright position which causes no pain whatsoever. Every other drop bar 
> bike I’ve owned just didn’t feel right after a few hours of riding. Thank 
> you again!
>
> Joe
> Los Angeles, CA
>

Joe, that's great to hear. And a great example of how 
individual/ideosyncratic the fit and ride qualities of any bike might be. 
Ride in good health!

Neal Lerner
Brookline MA USA 

>
>
> On Jan 29, 2022, at 3:43 PM, nlerner  wrote:
>
> I owned a Roadini for a relatively short time before selling it to 
> someone on this list, I believe. I liked the aesthetics a lot, but did find 
> it on the sluggish side and have other bikes that fit the “country bike” 
> theme that I found myself riding instead. Previous to that, I owned a 
> Romulus, which saw many miles and lots of brevet riding, but also was 
> always a bit on the sluggish side, particularly when climbing. Still, it 
> was a really comfortable rig, and well suited to distance riding as long as 
> the hills weren’t too brutal. I sold that once I got a Black Mountain Road, 
> which checks all of the boxes for me: great fit, room for 35mm tires, great 
> climber, planes like the dickens, super comfortable and versatile. So no 
> I’m Riv-less (even sold my ‘94 RB-T!), but I enjoy reading this list.
>
>
> Neal Lerner
> Brookline MA USA
>
> On Saturday, January 29, 2022 at 1:46:17 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> The tubing spec needs to be matched well with the geometry to provide 
>> what Jan calls planing - the flex in the frame needs to match your power 
>> output and rhythm to give you a small but important "springboard" effect 
>> with each pedal stroke, in order to feel fast.  It really has little to 
>> nothing to do with the weight of the frame, but about how it is tuned to 
>> the rider.  
>>
>> However, Jan tends to think that this basically requires superlight 
>> tubing, but I don't think that's quite true - I think the "rhythm" can be 
>> found in multiples, like harmonics, but if the stiffness of your bike lands 
>> between these harmonics, then it'll feel like you're trying to bounce on a 
>> trampoline where it's out of sync with your jumps. My wild theory is that 
>> the Rivendells that ride like magic despite being objectively quite 
>> overbuilt for a "fast" bike manage to land in the next stiffer "harmonic" 
>> for the average rider. I think my Sam does this for me and I think the 
>> Roadini could very well end up in this zone too.  
>>
>> On Friday, 28 January 2022 at 13:21:45 UTC-8 kwi...@weimar.edu wrote:
>>
>>> The Roadini is a very nice looking bike, too.  I hope this does not 
>>> sound superficial, but I enjoy the head badge, the decals, and the painted 
>>> cutouts on the seat lug more than if it were just 2 pounds lighter!  Also, 
>>> I rode a 'Redwood' (tall Romulus) frame back in the 2000's and really liked 
>>> it, but the Roadini is a more advance frame design in general (long head 
>>> tube, sloping top tube, wheel clearance, and more.).  I have an old Calfee 
>>> carbon frame I got used.  It is very light.  But I hardly ride it.  Why? 
>>>  Hard to say, but I suspect that it has a lot to do with how the Roadini 
>>> feels 'planted' or secure (words fail me here), but on the human level, I 
>>> just prefer the look of the Roadini-- it has character and a timeless 
>>> beauty that makes the sum of all its parts more than just a 'fast bike', a 
>>> 'super light frame', or even a practical 'get the job done' machine.  And, 
>>> of course, it is always comfortable!  This is key: the Roadini does not 
>>> cause neck pain, back pain, hand tingling or stress from the worry of going 
>>> down if I hit a pot hole.   I won't be selling mine.
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 12:48:36 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 Well said, Karl. Add to that the probably (I've not ridden one) 
 signature Rivendell handling of the Roadini* and the pros may well 
 outweigh 
 the cons. And of course, weighing the balance between pros and cons is 
 largely a matter of individual taste.

 Patrick Moore, ruthlessly botton-trimming his replies, in ABQ, NM.

 * I certainly loved this in the customs, and found it in the Ram and 
 even in the Sam, tho' the same had too much wheel flop for my taste.

 On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 1:31 PM Karl Wilcox  wrote:

> It might be helpful when considering a Roadini to observe that frame 
> stiffness or compliance are not the only things that matter.  I find my 
> Roadini stiffer than I prefer, but the
> Roadini offers other features that I just can't find in other 
> production frames.  For instance, the roadini fits me perfectly and I can 
> get my bars up higher without making the bicycle appear 

Re: [RBW] Roadini heavy?

[Patrick Moore]

I haven't analyzed "planing" as far as Jason has, but I will add this: some
of the fastest (read: "feel fastest" measured by ease -- "feel" -- of
turning over a given gear at given cadences in given conditions) bikes I've
owned have been far from the lightest, and one of them, besides being heavy
(IIRC, 28 to 30 lb: full fenders, custom racks, a dyno system) was built of
pretty stout (but normal gauge) tubing, so stout that 2 previous owners
passed it on -- so I got a very good deal!

This bike, shod with mediocre tires (32 mm wire bead Paselas? 30 mm IRC
Tandems? Forget.) was one of those rare blessings that make you
automatically choose a cog 1 tooth smaller in back. (I sold it because I
didn't care for the handling; it was low trail, which I find feels vague.)

Another bike, all 30 1/2 lb of it, that just feels fast is my 2015 Chauncey
Matthews Road Bike for Dirt, aka Matthews 1:1. This is shod with 622 X 61
mm Big Ones -- these tires roll as well as the best extralight RH tires
I've used. This too calls for 1 tooth smaller in back. This bike, however,
is built of thinwall OS tubing, whatever effect that may have.

And as I said, the standard gauge .8 .6 .8 (or is it .8 .4 .8?) 531 tubes
on the 2020 Matthews Road Bike for Road ( Matt. 2:1) make it seem easier to
pedal than the OS and I daresay thickwall tubing used in my 2003 Riv custom
(frame + fork + Ultegra headset = 7 lb, heavy in my book). Until I rode
this Matthews I was a planing skeptic but after riding this I began to
think that somehow, sometimes, it does apply. Still, the 2 bikes above
"seemed to plane" but without standard gauge + thinwall tubing.

So, who knows?

170-175, masher in highish gears.

On Sat, Jan 29, 2022 at 11:46 AM Jason Fuller  wrote:

> The tubing spec needs to be matched well with the geometry to provide what
> Jan calls planing - the flex in the frame needs to match your power output
> and rhythm to give you a small but important "springboard" effect with each
> pedal stroke, in order to feel fast.  It really has little to nothing to do
> with the weight of the frame, but about how it is tuned to the rider.
>
> However, Jan tends to think that this basically requires superlight
> tubing, but I don't think that's quite true - I think the "rhythm" can be
> found in multiples, like harmonics, but if the stiffness of your bike lands
> between these harmonics, then it'll feel like you're trying to bounce on a
> trampoline where it's out of sync with your jumps. My wild theory is that
> the Rivendells that ride like magic despite being objectively quite
> overbuilt for a "fast" bike manage to land in the next stiffer "harmonic"
> for the average rider. I think my Sam does this for me and I think the
> Roadini could very well end up in this zone too.
>

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Re: [RBW] Roadini heavy?

[Joe Mullins]

Neal,

I’m the one you sold the Roadini to and I’m happy to report that I’m loving it! 
I swapped the 80mm stem for a 60mm and it put me in a slightly more upright 
position which causes no pain whatsoever. Every other drop bar bike I’ve owned 
just didn’t feel right after a few hours of riding. Thank you again!

Joe
Los Angeles, CA

> 
> On Jan 29, 2022, at 3:43 PM, nlerner  wrote:
> 
> I owned a Roadini for a relatively short time before selling it to someone 
> on this list, I believe. I liked the aesthetics a lot, but did find it on the 
> sluggish side and have other bikes that fit the “country bike” theme that I 
> found myself riding instead. Previous to that, I owned a Romulus, which saw 
> many miles and lots of brevet riding, but also was always a bit on the 
> sluggish side, particularly when climbing. Still, it was a really comfortable 
> rig, and well suited to distance riding as long as the hills weren’t too 
> brutal. I sold that once I got a Black Mountain Road, which checks all of the 
> boxes for me: great fit, room for 35mm tires, great climber, planes like the 
> dickens, super comfortable and versatile. So no I’m Riv-less (even sold my 
> ‘94 RB-T!), but I enjoy reading this list.
> 
> Neal Lerner
> Brookline MA USA
> 
>> On Saturday, January 29, 2022 at 1:46:17 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:
>> The tubing spec needs to be matched well with the geometry to provide what 
>> Jan calls planing - the flex in the frame needs to match your power output 
>> and rhythm to give you a small but important "springboard" effect with each 
>> pedal stroke, in order to feel fast.  It really has little to nothing to do 
>> with the weight of the frame, but about how it is tuned to the rider.  
>> 
>> However, Jan tends to think that this basically requires superlight tubing, 
>> but I don't think that's quite true - I think the "rhythm" can be found in 
>> multiples, like harmonics, but if the stiffness of your bike lands between 
>> these harmonics, then it'll feel like you're trying to bounce on a 
>> trampoline where it's out of sync with your jumps. My wild theory is that 
>> the Rivendells that ride like magic despite being objectively quite 
>> overbuilt for a "fast" bike manage to land in the next stiffer "harmonic" 
>> for the average rider. I think my Sam does this for me and I think the 
>> Roadini could very well end up in this zone too.  
>> 
>>> On Friday, 28 January 2022 at 13:21:45 UTC-8 kwi...@weimar.edu wrote:
>>> The Roadini is a very nice looking bike, too.  I hope this does not sound 
>>> superficial, but I enjoy the head badge, the decals, and the painted 
>>> cutouts on the seat lug more than if it were just 2 pounds lighter!  Also, 
>>> I rode a 'Redwood' (tall Romulus) frame back in the 2000's and really liked 
>>> it, but the Roadini is a more advance frame design in general (long head 
>>> tube, sloping top tube, wheel clearance, and more.).  I have an old Calfee 
>>> carbon frame I got used.  It is very light.  But I hardly ride it.  Why?  
>>> Hard to say, but I suspect that it has a lot to do with how the Roadini 
>>> feels 'planted' or secure (words fail me here), but on the human level, I 
>>> just prefer the look of the Roadini-- it has character and a timeless 
>>> beauty that makes the sum of all its parts more than just a 'fast bike', a 
>>> 'super light frame', or even a practical 'get the job done' machine.  And, 
>>> of course, it is always comfortable!  This is key: the Roadini does not 
>>> cause neck pain, back pain, hand tingling or stress from the worry of going 
>>> down if I hit a pot hole.   I won't be selling mine.
>>> 
 On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 12:48:36 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
 Well said, Karl. Add to that the probably (I've not ridden one) signature 
 Rivendell handling of the Roadini* and the pros may well outweigh the 
 cons. And of course, weighing the balance between pros and cons is largely 
 a matter of individual taste.
 
 Patrick Moore, ruthlessly botton-trimming his replies, in ABQ, NM.
 
 * I certainly loved this in the customs, and found it in the Ram and even 
 in the Sam, tho' the same had too much wheel flop for my taste.
 
> On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 1:31 PM Karl Wilcox  wrote:
> It might be helpful when considering a Roadini to observe that frame 
> stiffness or compliance are not the only things that matter.  I find my 
> Roadini stiffer than I prefer, but the
> Roadini offers other features that I just can't find in other production 
> frames.  For instance, the roadini fits me perfectly and I can get my 
> bars up higher without making the bicycle appear silly or handle funny 
> (my bars are exactly 1 inch below my saddle height).  Also, I can ride 
> 33c tires (I have the 2018 roadini), and the long wheelbase is wonderful. 
>  The Roadini is also versatile: I ride it on trails and on pavement.  I 
> can ride with fast club rides 

Re: [RBW] Roadini heavy?

[nlerner]

I owned a Roadini for a relatively short time before selling it to someone 
on this list, I believe. I liked the aesthetics a lot, but did find it on 
the sluggish side and have other bikes that fit the “country bike” theme 
that I found myself riding instead. Previous to that, I owned a Romulus, 
which saw many miles and lots of brevet riding, but also was always a bit 
on the sluggish side, particularly when climbing. Still, it was a really 
comfortable rig, and well suited to distance riding as long as the hills 
weren’t too brutal. I sold that once I got a Black Mountain Road, which 
checks all of the boxes for me: great fit, room for 35mm tires, great 
climber, planes like the dickens, super comfortable and versatile. So no 
I’m Riv-less (even sold my ‘94 RB-T!), but I enjoy reading this list.

Neal Lerner
Brookline MA USA

On Saturday, January 29, 2022 at 1:46:17 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:

> The tubing spec needs to be matched well with the geometry to provide what 
> Jan calls planing - the flex in the frame needs to match your power output 
> and rhythm to give you a small but important "springboard" effect with each 
> pedal stroke, in order to feel fast.  It really has little to nothing to do 
> with the weight of the frame, but about how it is tuned to the rider.  
>
> However, Jan tends to think that this basically requires superlight 
> tubing, but I don't think that's quite true - I think the "rhythm" can be 
> found in multiples, like harmonics, but if the stiffness of your bike lands 
> between these harmonics, then it'll feel like you're trying to bounce on a 
> trampoline where it's out of sync with your jumps. My wild theory is that 
> the Rivendells that ride like magic despite being objectively quite 
> overbuilt for a "fast" bike manage to land in the next stiffer "harmonic" 
> for the average rider. I think my Sam does this for me and I think the 
> Roadini could very well end up in this zone too.  
>
> On Friday, 28 January 2022 at 13:21:45 UTC-8 kwi...@weimar.edu wrote:
>
>> The Roadini is a very nice looking bike, too.  I hope this does not sound 
>> superficial, but I enjoy the head badge, the decals, and the painted 
>> cutouts on the seat lug more than if it were just 2 pounds lighter!  Also, 
>> I rode a 'Redwood' (tall Romulus) frame back in the 2000's and really liked 
>> it, but the Roadini is a more advance frame design in general (long head 
>> tube, sloping top tube, wheel clearance, and more.).  I have an old Calfee 
>> carbon frame I got used.  It is very light.  But I hardly ride it.  Why? 
>>  Hard to say, but I suspect that it has a lot to do with how the Roadini 
>> feels 'planted' or secure (words fail me here), but on the human level, I 
>> just prefer the look of the Roadini-- it has character and a timeless 
>> beauty that makes the sum of all its parts more than just a 'fast bike', a 
>> 'super light frame', or even a practical 'get the job done' machine.  And, 
>> of course, it is always comfortable!  This is key: the Roadini does not 
>> cause neck pain, back pain, hand tingling or stress from the worry of going 
>> down if I hit a pot hole.   I won't be selling mine.
>>
>> On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 12:48:36 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Well said, Karl. Add to that the probably (I've not ridden one) 
>>> signature Rivendell handling of the Roadini* and the pros may well outweigh 
>>> the cons. And of course, weighing the balance between pros and cons is 
>>> largely a matter of individual taste.
>>>
>>> Patrick Moore, ruthlessly botton-trimming his replies, in ABQ, NM.
>>>
>>> * I certainly loved this in the customs, and found it in the Ram and 
>>> even in the Sam, tho' the same had too much wheel flop for my taste.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 1:31 PM Karl Wilcox  wrote:
>>>
 It might be helpful when considering a Roadini to observe that frame 
 stiffness or compliance are not the only things that matter.  I find my 
 Roadini stiffer than I prefer, but the
 Roadini offers other features that I just can't find in other 
 production frames.  For instance, the roadini fits me perfectly and I can 
 get my bars up higher without making the bicycle appear silly or handle 
 funny (my bars are exactly 1 inch below my saddle height).  Also, I can 
 ride 33c tires (I have the 2018 roadini), and the long wheelbase is 
 wonderful.  The Roadini is also versatile: I ride it on trails and on 
 pavement.  I can ride with fast club rides and I can do light touring, 
 too.  I have a 1977 custom Mercian that is wonderfully compliant, but on 
 fast descents it can be scary and it cannot carry any kind of load.  My 
 point is that the Roadini has many virtues, but no individual frame can be 
 any other frame. 

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Roadini heavy?

[Jason Fuller]

The tubing spec needs to be matched well with the geometry to provide what 
Jan calls planing - the flex in the frame needs to match your power output 
and rhythm to give you a small but important "springboard" effect with each 
pedal stroke, in order to feel fast.  It really has little to nothing to do 
with the weight of the frame, but about how it is tuned to the rider.  

However, Jan tends to think that this basically requires superlight tubing, 
but I don't think that's quite true - I think the "rhythm" can be found in 
multiples, like harmonics, but if the stiffness of your bike lands between 
these harmonics, then it'll feel like you're trying to bounce on a 
trampoline where it's out of sync with your jumps. My wild theory is that 
the Rivendells that ride like magic despite being objectively quite 
overbuilt for a "fast" bike manage to land in the next stiffer "harmonic" 
for the average rider. I think my Sam does this for me and I think the 
Roadini could very well end up in this zone too.  

On Friday, 28 January 2022 at 13:21:45 UTC-8 kwi...@weimar.edu wrote:

> The Roadini is a very nice looking bike, too.  I hope this does not sound 
> superficial, but I enjoy the head badge, the decals, and the painted 
> cutouts on the seat lug more than if it were just 2 pounds lighter!  Also, 
> I rode a 'Redwood' (tall Romulus) frame back in the 2000's and really liked 
> it, but the Roadini is a more advance frame design in general (long head 
> tube, sloping top tube, wheel clearance, and more.).  I have an old Calfee 
> carbon frame I got used.  It is very light.  But I hardly ride it.  Why? 
>  Hard to say, but I suspect that it has a lot to do with how the Roadini 
> feels 'planted' or secure (words fail me here), but on the human level, I 
> just prefer the look of the Roadini-- it has character and a timeless 
> beauty that makes the sum of all its parts more than just a 'fast bike', a 
> 'super light frame', or even a practical 'get the job done' machine.  And, 
> of course, it is always comfortable!  This is key: the Roadini does not 
> cause neck pain, back pain, hand tingling or stress from the worry of going 
> down if I hit a pot hole.   I won't be selling mine.
>
> On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 12:48:36 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Well said, Karl. Add to that the probably (I've not ridden one) signature 
>> Rivendell handling of the Roadini* and the pros may well outweigh the cons. 
>> And of course, weighing the balance between pros and cons is largely a 
>> matter of individual taste.
>>
>> Patrick Moore, ruthlessly botton-trimming his replies, in ABQ, NM.
>>
>> * I certainly loved this in the customs, and found it in the Ram and even 
>> in the Sam, tho' the same had too much wheel flop for my taste.
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 1:31 PM Karl Wilcox  wrote:
>>
>>> It might be helpful when considering a Roadini to observe that frame 
>>> stiffness or compliance are not the only things that matter.  I find my 
>>> Roadini stiffer than I prefer, but the
>>> Roadini offers other features that I just can't find in other production 
>>> frames.  For instance, the roadini fits me perfectly and I can get my bars 
>>> up higher without making the bicycle appear silly or handle funny (my bars 
>>> are exactly 1 inch below my saddle height).  Also, I can ride 33c tires (I 
>>> have the 2018 roadini), and the long wheelbase is wonderful.  The Roadini 
>>> is also versatile: I ride it on trails and on pavement.  I can ride with 
>>> fast club rides and I can do light touring, too.  I have a 1977 custom 
>>> Mercian that is wonderfully compliant, but on fast descents it can be scary 
>>> and it cannot carry any kind of load.  My point is that the Roadini has 
>>> many virtues, but no individual frame can be any other frame. 
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Roadini heavy?

[Karl Wilcox]

The Roadini is a very nice looking bike, too.  I hope this does not sound 
superficial, but I enjoy the head badge, the decals, and the painted 
cutouts on the seat lug more than if it were just 2 pounds lighter!  Also, 
I rode a 'Redwood' (tall Romulus) frame back in the 2000's and really liked 
it, but the Roadini is a more advance frame design in general (long head 
tube, sloping top tube, wheel clearance, and more.).  I have an old Calfee 
carbon frame I got used.  It is very light.  But I hardly ride it.  Why? 
 Hard to say, but I suspect that it has a lot to do with how the Roadini 
feels 'planted' or secure (words fail me here), but on the human level, I 
just prefer the look of the Roadini-- it has character and a timeless 
beauty that makes the sum of all its parts more than just a 'fast bike', a 
'super light frame', or even a practical 'get the job done' machine.  And, 
of course, it is always comfortable!  This is key: the Roadini does not 
cause neck pain, back pain, hand tingling or stress from the worry of going 
down if I hit a pot hole.   I won't be selling mine.

On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 12:48:36 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Well said, Karl. Add to that the probably (I've not ridden one) signature 
> Rivendell handling of the Roadini* and the pros may well outweigh the cons. 
> And of course, weighing the balance between pros and cons is largely a 
> matter of individual taste.
>
> Patrick Moore, ruthlessly botton-trimming his replies, in ABQ, NM.
>
> * I certainly loved this in the customs, and found it in the Ram and even 
> in the Sam, tho' the same had too much wheel flop for my taste.
>
> On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 1:31 PM Karl Wilcox  wrote:
>
>> It might be helpful when considering a Roadini to observe that frame 
>> stiffness or compliance are not the only things that matter.  I find my 
>> Roadini stiffer than I prefer, but the
>> Roadini offers other features that I just can't find in other production 
>> frames.  For instance, the roadini fits me perfectly and I can get my bars 
>> up higher without making the bicycle appear silly or handle funny (my bars 
>> are exactly 1 inch below my saddle height).  Also, I can ride 33c tires (I 
>> have the 2018 roadini), and the long wheelbase is wonderful.  The Roadini 
>> is also versatile: I ride it on trails and on pavement.  I can ride with 
>> fast club rides and I can do light touring, too.  I have a 1977 custom 
>> Mercian that is wonderfully compliant, but on fast descents it can be scary 
>> and it cannot carry any kind of load.  My point is that the Roadini has 
>> many virtues, but no individual frame can be any other frame. 
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Roadini heavy?

[Patrick Moore]

Well said, Karl. Add to that the probably (I've not ridden one) signature
Rivendell handling of the Roadini* and the pros may well outweigh the cons.
And of course, weighing the balance between pros and cons is largely a
matter of individual taste.

Patrick Moore, ruthlessly botton-trimming his replies, in ABQ, NM.

* I certainly loved this in the customs, and found it in the Ram and even
in the Sam, tho' the same had too much wheel flop for my taste.

On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 1:31 PM Karl Wilcox  wrote:

> It might be helpful when considering a Roadini to observe that frame
> stiffness or compliance are not the only things that matter.  I find my
> Roadini stiffer than I prefer, but the
> Roadini offers other features that I just can't find in other production
> frames.  For instance, the roadini fits me perfectly and I can get my bars
> up higher without making the bicycle appear silly or handle funny (my bars
> are exactly 1 inch below my saddle height).  Also, I can ride 33c tires (I
> have the 2018 roadini), and the long wheelbase is wonderful.  The Roadini
> is also versatile: I ride it on trails and on pavement.  I can ride with
> fast club rides and I can do light touring, too.  I have a 1977 custom
> Mercian that is wonderfully compliant, but on fast descents it can be scary
> and it cannot carry any kind of load.  My point is that the Roadini has
> many virtues, but no individual frame can be any other frame.
>

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Re: [RBW] Roadini heavy?

[Karl Wilcox]

It might be helpful when considering a Roadini to observe that frame
stiffness or compliance are not the only things that matter.  I find my
Roadini stiffer than I prefer, but the
Roadini offers other features that I just can't find in other production
frames.  For instance, the roadini fits me perfectly and I can get my bars
up higher without making the bicycle appear silly or handle funny (my bars
are exactly 1 inch below my saddle height).  Also, I can ride 33c tires (I
have the 2018 roadini), and the long wheelbase is wonderful.  The Roadini
is also versatile: I ride it on trails and on pavement.  I can ride with
fast club rides and I can do light touring, too.  I have a 1977 custom
Mercian that is wonderfully compliant, but on fast descents it can be scary
and it cannot carry any kind of load.  My point is that the Roadini has
many virtues, but no individual frame can be any other frame.

On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 9:08 AM Brady Smith  wrote:

> This is a helpful thread. I was ready to jump on the next Roadini
> shipment, but this would be replacing a Jamis Aurora I no longer need, and
> that's already an old school touring bike with heavy-ish tubing and stable,
> boring ride quality. I have a bike's worth of parts parts that need a
> rim-brake home--thinking about getting another BMC monster cross instead.
>
> Brady in SLC
> On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 9:54:40 AM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:
>
>> It is a great orange :)
>>
>> On Friday, January 28, 2022, Jingy  wrote:
>>
>>> I bought the Roadini from Eric Daume after he was done with it. I like
>>> it, but I don't love it(other than the orange color). I've ridden it with a
>>> variety of 28-38mm wide tires. It handles fine,  and the fit is
>>> comfortable, it's just not a lively ride. I think it's overbuilt. If you
>>> are looking for a burly roadish bike, it may work for you, but if you are
>>> looking for a zippy road bike with fender and tire clearance, this isn't
>>> it.
>>> I was hoping for a budget Roadeo. I would like to try a Roadeo, but now
>>> I fear it is overbuilt as well. My wacked-out conspiracy theory is that all
>>> Rivs are overbuilt now because they can't afford to have any warranty
>>> claims.
>>> I have been meaning to sell the Roadini for months now, because I have
>>> other bikes I like(love) better, but I have been dragging my feet because
>>> orange! Plus I'm lazy about selling things.
>>>
>>> Jim in Mpls
>>>
>>> On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 8:43:17 PM UTC-6 Mike Godwin wrote:
>>>
 Regarding the Reynolds tubed bikes, my 1997 Lemond Zurich planed for me
 (Reynolds 853 61cm frame, me usually around 180 elbows). Max tire size is
 700x30. And it was a real hoot riding as a 650b conversion. The 650b
 conversion seemed to amplify the plani-ness of the frame. Its too bad those
 bikes don't fit 35 mm tires, in 622 size.  All City bikes are 853 too, but
 not all of them. I believe they accept tires wider than 30 mm.  Perhaps an
 All City may work for you. I have not had the opportunity to ride an All
 City bike.

 Mike SLO CA

 On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 6:28:39 PM UTC-8 Eric Daume wrote:

> A couple of summers ago, I sold my Cross Check to buy a Roadini. I
> liked the high stack of the Roadini (61cm), but the CC had better brakes,
> more clearance, more flexibility, and rode better.
>
> The Roadini felt like an old school touring bike to me.
>
> Eric
>
> On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 2:44 PM Ezra  wrote:
>
>> Greetings RBW Owners. My first post to the forum.
>>
>> Have you been a Roadini owner? Did the bike please you? I've heard
>> tell that Roadini's feel sluggish and heavy for road bikes. I've never
>> owned a Riv but I'm interested in trying them out. I'd be setting up the
>> bike with Waive bars.
>>
>> I'd also be interested to know what size you are. I've also heard
>> that Rivs tend to feel better on the larger side. No idea if it's true.
>>
>> Thanks for indulging my questions. I always find buying bikes sight
>> unseen difficult.
>>
>> Ezra
>> Michigan
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Re: [RBW] Roadini heavy?

[peter stock]

FWIW my Sam Hillborne also strikes me as heavy, more plowhorse than 
thoroughbred.
I've never used the term "spritely" to describe its ride (as I often do 
with other bikes I own)

I just weighed it, complete. 12.74kgs / 28lbs
Not insanely heavy but up there.

Peter Stock
toronto.

On 2022-01-28 11:42, Jingy wrote:
I bought the Roadini from Eric Daume after he was done with it. I like 
it, but I don't love it(other than the orange color). I've ridden it 
with a variety of 28-38mm wide tires. It handles fine, and the fit is 
comfortable, it's just not a lively ride. I think it's overbuilt. If 
you are looking for a burly roadish bike, it may work for you, but if 
you are looking for a zippy road bike with fender and tire clearance, 
this isn't it.
I was hoping for a budget Roadeo. I would like to try a Roadeo, but 
now I fear it is overbuilt as well. My wacked-out conspiracy theory is 
that all Rivs are overbuilt now because they can't afford to have any 
warranty claims.
I have been meaning to sell the Roadini for months now, because I have 
other bikes I like(love) better, but I have been dragging my feet 
because orange! Plus I'm lazy about selling things.


Jim in Mpls

On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 8:43:17 PM UTC-6 Mike Godwin wrote:

Regarding the Reynolds tubed bikes, my 1997 Lemond Zurich planed
for me (Reynolds 853 61cm frame, me usually around 180 elbows).
Max tire size is 700x30. And it was a real hoot riding as a 650b
conversion. The 650b conversion seemed to amplify the plani-ness
of the frame. Its too bad those bikes don't fit 35 mm tires, in
622 size.  All City bikes are 853 too, but not all of them. I
believe they accept tires wider than 30 mm. Perhaps an All City
may work for you. I have not had the opportunity to ride an All
City bike.

Mike SLO CA

On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 6:28:39 PM UTC-8 Eric Daume wrote:

A couple of summers ago, I sold my Cross Check to buy a
Roadini. I liked the high stack of the Roadini (61cm), but the
CC had better brakes, more clearance, more flexibility, and
rode better.

The Roadini felt like an old school touring bike to me.

Eric

On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 2:44 PM Ezra  wrote:

Greetings RBW Owners. My first post to the forum.

Have you been a Roadini owner? Did the bike please you?
I've heard tell that Roadini's feel sluggish and heavy for
road bikes. I've never owned a Riv but I'm interested in
trying them out. I'd be setting up the bike with Waive bars.

I'd also be interested to know what size you are. I've
also heard that Rivs tend to feel better on the larger
side. No idea if it's true.

Thanks for indulging my questions. I always find buying
bikes sight unseen difficult.

Ezra
Michigan

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Re: [RBW] Roadini heavy?

[Eric White]

I'm intrigued by the idea of wider tires on the new Roadini but I currently
ride a Soma San Marcos that I'm pretty happy with. I can squeeze 38s in it
and the ride is pretty great for brevets and long leisurely rides. I do
like the 44s I'm running on a touring bike but I just don't know that I
need to move up to 42s on a new brevet bike.

On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 11:17 AM Johnny Alien 
wrote:

> There are other factors that can make a bike seem sluggish other than the
> frame.  Honestly I think a good lightweight wheelset makes a huge
> difference. And the tires themselves.  Maybe the Gallop is different
> because of geometry but I find mine super zippy and my build is lightish.
> Probably around 21-22 pounds. But I do have the smallest frame (50cm)
>
> On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 12:08:54 PM UTC-5 Brady Smith wrote:
>
>> This is a helpful thread. I was ready to jump on the next Roadini
>> shipment, but this would be replacing a Jamis Aurora I no longer need, and
>> that's already an old school touring bike with heavy-ish tubing and stable,
>> boring ride quality. I have a bike's worth of parts parts that need a
>> rim-brake home--thinking about getting another BMC monster cross instead.
>>
>> Brady in SLC
>> On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 9:54:40 AM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:
>>
>>> It is a great orange :)
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 28, 2022, Jingy  wrote:
>>>
 I bought the Roadini from Eric Daume after he was done with it. I like
 it, but I don't love it(other than the orange color). I've ridden it with a
 variety of 28-38mm wide tires. It handles fine,  and the fit is
 comfortable, it's just not a lively ride. I think it's overbuilt. If you
 are looking for a burly roadish bike, it may work for you, but if you are
 looking for a zippy road bike with fender and tire clearance, this isn't
 it.
 I was hoping for a budget Roadeo. I would like to try a Roadeo, but now
 I fear it is overbuilt as well. My wacked-out conspiracy theory is that all
 Rivs are overbuilt now because they can't afford to have any warranty
 claims.
 I have been meaning to sell the Roadini for months now, because I have
 other bikes I like(love) better, but I have been dragging my feet because
 orange! Plus I'm lazy about selling things.

 Jim in Mpls

 On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 8:43:17 PM UTC-6 Mike Godwin wrote:

> Regarding the Reynolds tubed bikes, my 1997 Lemond Zurich planed for
> me (Reynolds 853 61cm frame, me usually around 180 elbows). Max tire size
> is 700x30. And it was a real hoot riding as a 650b conversion. The 650b
> conversion seemed to amplify the plani-ness of the frame. Its too bad 
> those
> bikes don't fit 35 mm tires, in 622 size.  All City bikes are 853 too, but
> not all of them. I believe they accept tires wider than 30 mm.  Perhaps an
> All City may work for you. I have not had the opportunity to ride an All
> City bike.
>
> Mike SLO CA
>
> On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 6:28:39 PM UTC-8 Eric Daume wrote:
>
>> A couple of summers ago, I sold my Cross Check to buy a Roadini. I
>> liked the high stack of the Roadini (61cm), but the CC had better brakes,
>> more clearance, more flexibility, and rode better.
>>
>> The Roadini felt like an old school touring bike to me.
>>
>> Eric
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 2:44 PM Ezra  wrote:
>>
>>> Greetings RBW Owners. My first post to the forum.
>>>
>>> Have you been a Roadini owner? Did the bike please you? I've heard
>>> tell that Roadini's feel sluggish and heavy for road bikes. I've never
>>> owned a Riv but I'm interested in trying them out. I'd be setting up the
>>> bike with Waive bars.
>>>
>>> I'd also be interested to know what size you are. I've also heard
>>> that Rivs tend to feel better on the larger side. No idea if it's true.
>>>
>>> Thanks for indulging my questions. I always find buying bikes sight
>>> unseen difficult.
>>>
>>> Ezra
>>> Michigan
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Re: [RBW] Roadini heavy?

[Johnny Alien]

There are other factors that can make a bike seem sluggish other than the 
frame.  Honestly I think a good lightweight wheelset makes a huge 
difference. And the tires themselves.  Maybe the Gallop is different 
because of geometry but I find mine super zippy and my build is lightish.  
Probably around 21-22 pounds. But I do have the smallest frame (50cm)

On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 12:08:54 PM UTC-5 Brady Smith wrote:

> This is a helpful thread. I was ready to jump on the next Roadini 
> shipment, but this would be replacing a Jamis Aurora I no longer need, and 
> that's already an old school touring bike with heavy-ish tubing and stable, 
> boring ride quality. I have a bike's worth of parts parts that need a 
> rim-brake home--thinking about getting another BMC monster cross instead. 
>
> Brady in SLC
> On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 9:54:40 AM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:
>
>> It is a great orange :)
>>
>> On Friday, January 28, 2022, Jingy  wrote:
>>
>>> I bought the Roadini from Eric Daume after he was done with it. I like 
>>> it, but I don't love it(other than the orange color). I've ridden it with a 
>>> variety of 28-38mm wide tires. It handles fine,  and the fit is 
>>> comfortable, it's just not a lively ride. I think it's overbuilt. If you 
>>> are looking for a burly roadish bike, it may work for you, but if you are 
>>> looking for a zippy road bike with fender and tire clearance, this isn't 
>>> it. 
>>> I was hoping for a budget Roadeo. I would like to try a Roadeo, but now 
>>> I fear it is overbuilt as well. My wacked-out conspiracy theory is that all 
>>> Rivs are overbuilt now because they can't afford to have any warranty 
>>> claims.
>>> I have been meaning to sell the Roadini for months now, because I have 
>>> other bikes I like(love) better, but I have been dragging my feet because 
>>> orange! Plus I'm lazy about selling things.
>>>
>>> Jim in Mpls
>>>
>>> On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 8:43:17 PM UTC-6 Mike Godwin wrote:
>>>
 Regarding the Reynolds tubed bikes, my 1997 Lemond Zurich planed for me 
 (Reynolds 853 61cm frame, me usually around 180 elbows). Max tire size is 
 700x30. And it was a real hoot riding as a 650b conversion. The 650b 
 conversion seemed to amplify the plani-ness of the frame. Its too bad 
 those 
 bikes don't fit 35 mm tires, in 622 size.  All City bikes are 853 too, but 
 not all of them. I believe they accept tires wider than 30 mm.  Perhaps an 
 All City may work for you. I have not had the opportunity to ride an All 
 City bike.

 Mike SLO CA 

 On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 6:28:39 PM UTC-8 Eric Daume wrote:

> A couple of summers ago, I sold my Cross Check to buy a Roadini. I 
> liked the high stack of the Roadini (61cm), but the CC had better brakes, 
> more clearance, more flexibility, and rode better.
>
> The Roadini felt like an old school touring bike to me.
>
> Eric
>
> On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 2:44 PM Ezra  wrote:
>
>> Greetings RBW Owners. My first post to the forum. 
>>
>> Have you been a Roadini owner? Did the bike please you? I've heard 
>> tell that Roadini's feel sluggish and heavy for road bikes. I've never 
>> owned a Riv but I'm interested in trying them out. I'd be setting up the 
>> bike with Waive bars. 
>>
>> I'd also be interested to know what size you are. I've also heard 
>> that Rivs tend to feel better on the larger side. No idea if it's true. 
>>
>> Thanks for indulging my questions. I always find buying bikes sight 
>> unseen difficult. 
>>
>> Ezra
>> Michigan 
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Re: [RBW] Roadini heavy?

[Brady Smith]

This is a helpful thread. I was ready to jump on the next Roadini shipment, 
but this would be replacing a Jamis Aurora I no longer need, and that's 
already an old school touring bike with heavy-ish tubing and stable, boring 
ride quality. I have a bike's worth of parts parts that need a rim-brake 
home--thinking about getting another BMC monster cross instead. 

Brady in SLC
On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 9:54:40 AM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:

> It is a great orange :)
>
> On Friday, January 28, 2022, Jingy  wrote:
>
>> I bought the Roadini from Eric Daume after he was done with it. I like 
>> it, but I don't love it(other than the orange color). I've ridden it with a 
>> variety of 28-38mm wide tires. It handles fine,  and the fit is 
>> comfortable, it's just not a lively ride. I think it's overbuilt. If you 
>> are looking for a burly roadish bike, it may work for you, but if you are 
>> looking for a zippy road bike with fender and tire clearance, this isn't 
>> it. 
>> I was hoping for a budget Roadeo. I would like to try a Roadeo, but now I 
>> fear it is overbuilt as well. My wacked-out conspiracy theory is that all 
>> Rivs are overbuilt now because they can't afford to have any warranty 
>> claims.
>> I have been meaning to sell the Roadini for months now, because I have 
>> other bikes I like(love) better, but I have been dragging my feet because 
>> orange! Plus I'm lazy about selling things.
>>
>> Jim in Mpls
>>
>> On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 8:43:17 PM UTC-6 Mike Godwin wrote:
>>
>>> Regarding the Reynolds tubed bikes, my 1997 Lemond Zurich planed for me 
>>> (Reynolds 853 61cm frame, me usually around 180 elbows). Max tire size is 
>>> 700x30. And it was a real hoot riding as a 650b conversion. The 650b 
>>> conversion seemed to amplify the plani-ness of the frame. Its too bad those 
>>> bikes don't fit 35 mm tires, in 622 size.  All City bikes are 853 too, but 
>>> not all of them. I believe they accept tires wider than 30 mm.  Perhaps an 
>>> All City may work for you. I have not had the opportunity to ride an All 
>>> City bike.
>>>
>>> Mike SLO CA 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 6:28:39 PM UTC-8 Eric Daume wrote:
>>>
 A couple of summers ago, I sold my Cross Check to buy a Roadini. I 
 liked the high stack of the Roadini (61cm), but the CC had better brakes, 
 more clearance, more flexibility, and rode better.

 The Roadini felt like an old school touring bike to me.

 Eric

 On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 2:44 PM Ezra  wrote:

> Greetings RBW Owners. My first post to the forum. 
>
> Have you been a Roadini owner? Did the bike please you? I've heard 
> tell that Roadini's feel sluggish and heavy for road bikes. I've never 
> owned a Riv but I'm interested in trying them out. I'd be setting up the 
> bike with Waive bars. 
>
> I'd also be interested to know what size you are. I've also heard that 
> Rivs tend to feel better on the larger side. No idea if it's true. 
>
> Thanks for indulging my questions. I always find buying bikes sight 
> unseen difficult. 
>
> Ezra
> Michigan 
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Re: [RBW] Roadini heavy?

[Eric Daume]

It is a great orange :)

On Friday, January 28, 2022, Jingy  wrote:

> I bought the Roadini from Eric Daume after he was done with it. I like it,
> but I don't love it(other than the orange color). I've ridden it with a
> variety of 28-38mm wide tires. It handles fine,  and the fit is
> comfortable, it's just not a lively ride. I think it's overbuilt. If you
> are looking for a burly roadish bike, it may work for you, but if you are
> looking for a zippy road bike with fender and tire clearance, this isn't
> it.
> I was hoping for a budget Roadeo. I would like to try a Roadeo, but now I
> fear it is overbuilt as well. My wacked-out conspiracy theory is that all
> Rivs are overbuilt now because they can't afford to have any warranty
> claims.
> I have been meaning to sell the Roadini for months now, because I have
> other bikes I like(love) better, but I have been dragging my feet because
> orange! Plus I'm lazy about selling things.
>
> Jim in Mpls
>
> On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 8:43:17 PM UTC-6 Mike Godwin wrote:
>
>> Regarding the Reynolds tubed bikes, my 1997 Lemond Zurich planed for me
>> (Reynolds 853 61cm frame, me usually around 180 elbows). Max tire size is
>> 700x30. And it was a real hoot riding as a 650b conversion. The 650b
>> conversion seemed to amplify the plani-ness of the frame. Its too bad those
>> bikes don't fit 35 mm tires, in 622 size.  All City bikes are 853 too, but
>> not all of them. I believe they accept tires wider than 30 mm.  Perhaps an
>> All City may work for you. I have not had the opportunity to ride an All
>> City bike.
>>
>> Mike SLO CA
>>
>> On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 6:28:39 PM UTC-8 Eric Daume wrote:
>>
>>> A couple of summers ago, I sold my Cross Check to buy a Roadini. I liked
>>> the high stack of the Roadini (61cm), but the CC had better brakes, more
>>> clearance, more flexibility, and rode better.
>>>
>>> The Roadini felt like an old school touring bike to me.
>>>
>>> Eric
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 2:44 PM Ezra  wrote:
>>>
 Greetings RBW Owners. My first post to the forum.

 Have you been a Roadini owner? Did the bike please you? I've heard tell
 that Roadini's feel sluggish and heavy for road bikes. I've never owned a
 Riv but I'm interested in trying them out. I'd be setting up the bike with
 Waive bars.

 I'd also be interested to know what size you are. I've also heard that
 Rivs tend to feel better on the larger side. No idea if it's true.

 Thanks for indulging my questions. I always find buying bikes sight
 unseen difficult.

 Ezra
 Michigan

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Re: [RBW] Roadini heavy?

[Jingy]

I bought the Roadini from Eric Daume after he was done with it. I like it, 
but I don't love it(other than the orange color). I've ridden it with a 
variety of 28-38mm wide tires. It handles fine,  and the fit is 
comfortable, it's just not a lively ride. I think it's overbuilt. If you 
are looking for a burly roadish bike, it may work for you, but if you are 
looking for a zippy road bike with fender and tire clearance, this isn't 
it. 
I was hoping for a budget Roadeo. I would like to try a Roadeo, but now I 
fear it is overbuilt as well. My wacked-out conspiracy theory is that all 
Rivs are overbuilt now because they can't afford to have any warranty 
claims.
I have been meaning to sell the Roadini for months now, because I have 
other bikes I like(love) better, but I have been dragging my feet because 
orange! Plus I'm lazy about selling things.

Jim in Mpls

On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 8:43:17 PM UTC-6 Mike Godwin wrote:

> Regarding the Reynolds tubed bikes, my 1997 Lemond Zurich planed for me 
> (Reynolds 853 61cm frame, me usually around 180 elbows). Max tire size is 
> 700x30. And it was a real hoot riding as a 650b conversion. The 650b 
> conversion seemed to amplify the plani-ness of the frame. Its too bad those 
> bikes don't fit 35 mm tires, in 622 size.  All City bikes are 853 too, but 
> not all of them. I believe they accept tires wider than 30 mm.  Perhaps an 
> All City may work for you. I have not had the opportunity to ride an All 
> City bike.
>
> Mike SLO CA 
>
> On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 6:28:39 PM UTC-8 Eric Daume wrote:
>
>> A couple of summers ago, I sold my Cross Check to buy a Roadini. I liked 
>> the high stack of the Roadini (61cm), but the CC had better brakes, more 
>> clearance, more flexibility, and rode better.
>>
>> The Roadini felt like an old school touring bike to me.
>>
>> Eric
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 2:44 PM Ezra  wrote:
>>
>>> Greetings RBW Owners. My first post to the forum. 
>>>
>>> Have you been a Roadini owner? Did the bike please you? I've heard tell 
>>> that Roadini's feel sluggish and heavy for road bikes. I've never owned a 
>>> Riv but I'm interested in trying them out. I'd be setting up the bike with 
>>> Waive bars. 
>>>
>>> I'd also be interested to know what size you are. I've also heard that 
>>> Rivs tend to feel better on the larger side. No idea if it's true. 
>>>
>>> Thanks for indulging my questions. I always find buying bikes sight 
>>> unseen difficult. 
>>>
>>> Ezra
>>> Michigan 
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Roadini heavy?

[Mike Godwin]

Regarding the Reynolds tubed bikes, my 1997 Lemond Zurich planed for me 
(Reynolds 853 61cm frame, me usually around 180 elbows). Max tire size is 
700x30. And it was a real hoot riding as a 650b conversion. The 650b 
conversion seemed to amplify the plani-ness of the frame. Its too bad those 
bikes don't fit 35 mm tires, in 622 size.  All City bikes are 853 too, but 
not all of them. I believe they accept tires wider than 30 mm.  Perhaps an 
All City may work for you. I have not had the opportunity to ride an All 
City bike.

Mike SLO CA 

On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 6:28:39 PM UTC-8 Eric Daume wrote:

> A couple of summers ago, I sold my Cross Check to buy a Roadini. I liked 
> the high stack of the Roadini (61cm), but the CC had better brakes, more 
> clearance, more flexibility, and rode better.
>
> The Roadini felt like an old school touring bike to me.
>
> Eric
>
> On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 2:44 PM Ezra  wrote:
>
>> Greetings RBW Owners. My first post to the forum. 
>>
>> Have you been a Roadini owner? Did the bike please you? I've heard tell 
>> that Roadini's feel sluggish and heavy for road bikes. I've never owned a 
>> Riv but I'm interested in trying them out. I'd be setting up the bike with 
>> Waive bars. 
>>
>> I'd also be interested to know what size you are. I've also heard that 
>> Rivs tend to feel better on the larger side. No idea if it's true. 
>>
>> Thanks for indulging my questions. I always find buying bikes sight 
>> unseen difficult. 
>>
>> Ezra
>> Michigan 
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Re: [RBW] Roadini heavy?

[Eric Daume]

A couple of summers ago, I sold my Cross Check to buy a Roadini. I liked
the high stack of the Roadini (61cm), but the CC had better brakes, more
clearance, more flexibility, and rode better.

The Roadini felt like an old school touring bike to me.

Eric

On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 2:44 PM Ezra  wrote:

> Greetings RBW Owners. My first post to the forum.
>
> Have you been a Roadini owner? Did the bike please you? I've heard tell
> that Roadini's feel sluggish and heavy for road bikes. I've never owned a
> Riv but I'm interested in trying them out. I'd be setting up the bike with
> Waive bars.
>
> I'd also be interested to know what size you are. I've also heard that
> Rivs tend to feel better on the larger side. No idea if it's true.
>
> Thanks for indulging my questions. I always find buying bikes sight unseen
> difficult.
>
> Ezra
> Michigan
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Re: [RBW] Roadini heavy?

[Karl Wilcox]

I ride a Roadini: I like the frame, but the tubing is not very 'lively' or
'compliant'.  It is a stable frame (I have hit over 50 miles per hour on
Sierra descents without a wobble), but I would be happier with the frame if
it was less stiff.  I ride the largest Roadini, and I have wondered if the
smaller frames are even more stolid.  I like to ride both slow and fast,
and when I am riding fast with my local club, my Roadini just lacks the
compliance that I like.  But, having said that, it does not hold me back or
make me slow; it just feels more like a frame intended for riding with
about a 15-20 pound load as opposed to a pure club frame.  It rides alot
like my old Schwinn Superior fillet brazed frame-- solid, dependable,
utilitarian but not spirited.  But if you routinely carry a load or if you
like to do some light touring, it would be the ticket, I think.
Cheers,
Karl

On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 2:51 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> For *road bikes,* not for, say, Clems or Platypuses*.* This was the
> subject of others' comments.
>
> And I forgot to add: My first gen Sam Hill, built much like the 42 mm
> Naches Pass Matthews for pavement-biased all-rounder use, and very nice in
> many ways, also felt (with Sam Brown Greens) -- not so much sluggish as
> "uninspired." It didn't jump with alacrity as the #2 or even the second gen
> Ram (1.35 Kojaks). Again, tubing?
>
> On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 3:39 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
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>> ... some people may find (and others have said this to me) that Rivendell
>> tubing, which tends toward the large and thick type, may be less rewarding
>> than narrower tubes with thinner walls.
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Re: [RBW] Roadini heavy?

[Patrick Moore]

For *road bikes,* not for, say, Clems or Platypuses*.* This was the subject
of others' comments.

And I forgot to add: My first gen Sam Hill, built much like the 42 mm
Naches Pass Matthews for pavement-biased all-rounder use, and very nice in
many ways, also felt (with Sam Brown Greens) -- not so much sluggish as
"uninspired." It didn't jump with alacrity as the #2 or even the second gen
Ram (1.35 Kojaks). Again, tubing?

On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 3:39 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> ... some people may find (and others have said this to me) that Rivendell
> tubing, which tends toward the large and thick type, may be less rewarding
> than narrower tubes with thinner walls.
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Re: [RBW] Roadini heavy?

[Patrick Moore]

I've owned 5 Rivendells, and I'm a fan, so perhaps no one will take this
wrong.

My first 2 road customs felt light and zippy. Road custom #3 seems to have
been made from thicker-wall (and also OS) tubing, and during my ~15 years
of ownership, I repeatedly "felt" as if it were more sluggish than the
1999, of which it was in design and geometry an almost-clone (#3 58 c-c
versus #2 at 57 c-c). The most noticeable difference: when seated back in
the saddle and pushing hard in highish gears up long but gradual inclines,
or against headwinds, my quads would start aching more quickly in the  #3
than with #2. Both fixed gears, 70" for the #3, 76# for the #2.

So when I had a copy of #3 made (to accommodate things that Rivendell
doesn't do), I asked the builder to make it of thinner-wall (but not .7 .4
.7 mm) normal guage (1" tt) 531 tubing.

I built it up largely with the parts from Riv #3.

Immediately, I noticed that it was easier to "stay on top of the gear" and
that I could climb easier and longer seated; I didn't have to stand as
early. The bike just felt faster.

I attribute this to the tubing, whether it be thinner walls or smaller
diameter, I don't know.

Upshot: some people may find (and others have said this to me) that
Rivendell tubing, which tends toward the large and thick type, may be less
rewarding than narrower tubes with thinner walls.

That said, my 1999 Joe Starck-built Riv Road custom fixed gear (Riv custom
#2) is, of all the dozens of bikes I've ridden in 60 years of riding,
simply the fastest ("feeling"), most nimble, most comfortable, and
altogether nicest bike I've ever ridden. If I had to keep only 1 bike, it
would be this, even with its 26X1.1" tires, single 76" gear, and no damned
braze ons except for water bottle cages. Just lovely.


On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 12:44 PM Ezra  wrote:

> Greetings RBW Owners. My first post to the forum.
>
> Have you been a Roadini owner? Did the bike please you? I've heard tell
> that Roadini's feel sluggish and heavy for road bikes. I've never owned a
> Riv but I'm interested in trying them out. I'd be setting up the bike with
> Waive bars.
>
> I'd also be interested to know what size you are. I've also heard that
> Rivs tend to feel better on the larger side. No idea if it's true.
>
> Thanks for indulging my questions. I always find buying bikes sight unseen
> difficult.
>
> Ezra
> Michigan
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Re: [RBW] Roadini heavy?

[Joe Mullins]

Hey Ezra,

I think my Roadini is around 25 lbs. But to me it doesn’t feel “sluggish”. The 
riding position with drops is more upright and comfortable than any other road 
bike I’ve ever ridden. I believe it’s meant to be more of an “all-road” bike 
than a zippy fast road bike…it’s definitely not meant to compete with modern 
carbon bikes. But I love mine! 

Joe

> On Jan 27, 2022, at 11:44 AM, Ezra  wrote:
> 
> Greetings RBW Owners. My first post to the forum. 
> 
> Have you been a Roadini owner? Did the bike please you? I've heard tell that 
> Roadini's feel sluggish and heavy for road bikes. I've never owned a Riv but 
> I'm interested in trying them out. I'd be setting up the bike with Waive 
> bars. 
> 
> I'd also be interested to know what size you are. I've also heard that Rivs 
> tend to feel better on the larger side. No idea if it's true. 
> 
> Thanks for indulging my questions. I always find buying bikes sight unseen 
> difficult. 
> 
> Ezra
> Michigan 
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