Re: [RBW] What's the shortest stem that you would use?
OK, did a 24 mile ride this morning and raising the bars seems to have done the trick. I am reasonably comfortable on the hoods for long periods. When on the hoods, the tops are just about lined up with the front hub, which is another positioning indicator that seems to work for me. Now it's time to put on some mileage. Thanks for everyone's input. Joel -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/Z3cbRpjhDzgJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] What's the shortest stem that you would use?
Zack, Thanks for the link - got it and understand. At my new, higher handlebar height, there is an improvement in reach, but it's accompanied by a change in my center of gravity. I'm still adjusting to it, but am not sure if I like the change in my fore-aft balance on the bike. If I don't, I will go for a shorter stem. Best, Joel -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/9je2KpFRWnEJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] What's the shortest stem that you would use?
Thought this explanation may be helpful for you: http://www.rivbike.com/assets/payloads/270/original_Excerpt_Top_Tube_Ruse_Layout_1.pdf I would echo the posters that suggest you get the bars up higher to solve your problem of feeling stretched out. (so would mutton chop marv) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/NjTwYaqriYMJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] What's the shortest stem that you would use?
Current mountain biking setup advice for stem length and handlebar width: Always couple a shorter stem with wider bars or a longer stem with shorter bars. On my dual suspension bike, I went with a larger frame (longer top tube by about 1) so I could run a 9 cm stem with very wide bars and maintain the reach I had on my previous smaller frame with a 110/120 stem. The handling improved tremendously on technical terrain. On my 61 AHH, where I still have 48 Noodles, I'm running a 6cm stem. I was doing the same on the Atlantis before switching to the Touring bar. I'm not riding the AHH that much right now but when I do, I love how it handles. Actually, that happens every time I switch to ride another of my bikes after not having ridden it for a while. So, if going to a shorter stem, go with wider bars to slow the handling down a bit and keep it from becoming twitchy. I'd think that the same would apply to shorter reach bars, especially if you're doing both. For a cm it so it's probably not worth it, but keep it in mind for larger changes. Rene Sent from my iPhone 4 On Aug 7, 2011, at 6:08 PM, Solomander soloman...@aol.com wrote: Just went out to the garage with a plumb line. The seat seems to be right on the money, in the same relative position as on my Litespeed. I am going to wait a week or two before doing anything else. I keep waffling about whether to change the bars or the stem. The tops of my Noodles are in the same relative position as the anatomic bars on my Litespeed. On the one hand, Mark's bars will likely move the hoods back far enough. OTOH, I like the Noodles and doubt that moving the tops back an inch will make that much of a difference. I may wind up flipping a coin :) Joel -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/schtonyTRt8J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] What's the shortest stem that you would use?
Rene, Your point is well taken. I'm giving the bike one more weekend as is, then will see. I am leaning towards a 6 cm stem. My 46 cm bars are wider than they are on my other bike. Joel -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/XYTP7GdoRkUJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] What's the shortest stem that you would use?
So I raised the bars a bit. It definitely helped to make me feel less stretched out. I also noticed that my center of gravity was shifted back on the bike and that I had less weight on the bars and more on the seat. Didn't make a noticeable difference in speed- I'm still a slug. I'm going to live with the bike for a few weeks before doing anything else. I am also thinking about rechecking my fore-aft saddle position. I have a road bike that I feel very comfortable on. The distance from the nose of the saddle to the center of the bars is the same on my Litespeed and my AHH. The Litespeed has a straight seatpost and the AHH has a set back seatpost. This makes me wonder if I am in the right place over the pedals. Lots of variables! Joel -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/innoOsVO8g4J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] What's the shortest stem that you would use?
Be sure to gauge the saddle setback independently of reach to saddle IOW, don't try to adjust reach by setback -- setback is a starting point because it determines your power and comfort wrt the immovable bb. On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 11:24 AM, Solomander soloman...@aol.com wrote: So I raised the bars a bit. It definitely helped to make me feel less stretched out. I also noticed that my center of gravity was shifted back on the bike and that I had less weight on the bars and more on the seat. Didn't make a noticeable difference in speed- I'm still a slug. I'm going to live with the bike for a few weeks before doing anything else. I am also thinking about rechecking my fore-aft saddle position. I have a road bike that I feel very comfortable on. The distance from the nose of the saddle to the center of the bars is the same on my Litespeed and my AHH. The Litespeed has a straight seatpost and the AHH has a set back seatpost. This makes me wonder if I am in the right place over the pedals. Lots of variables! Joel -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/innoOsVO8g4J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com A billion stars go spinning through the night Blazing high above your head; But in you is the Presence that will be When all the stars are dead. (Rilke, Buddha in Glory) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] What's the shortest stem that you would use?
If you think about it, a 2cm shorter stem with the noodles would move the hoods back only a bit more than switching to the shorter reach Mark's bars. So I don't think there'd be any difference in handling there, especially if you're talking about handling while your hands are on the hoods or drops. If raising the bars doesn't offer sufficient improvement, Id go by this: if you like the long flat ramp of the Noodles for resting your hands on, get a shorter stem and maybe narrower Noodles. If you usually ride on the hoods anyway, maybe try the Mark's bars. (which will not have as flat a ramp nor will the hooks be nearly parallel to the ramps, so they would feel quite different...) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/xUtvl96_fDAJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] What's the shortest stem that you would use?
Just went out to the garage with a plumb line. The seat seems to be right on the money, in the same relative position as on my Litespeed. I am going to wait a week or two before doing anything else. I keep waffling about whether to change the bars or the stem. The tops of my Noodles are in the same relative position as the anatomic bars on my Litespeed. On the one hand, Mark's bars will likely move the hoods back far enough. OTOH, I like the Noodles and doubt that moving the tops back an inch will make that much of a difference. I may wind up flipping a coin :) Joel -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/schtonyTRt8J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] What's the shortest stem that you would use?
On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 2:35 PM, Solomander soloman...@aol.com wrote: I have an 8 cm stem on my AHH (started with a 10 cm) and still feel a little bit stretched out when I ride on the hoods. This leads me to believe that I would be more comfy on a slightly smaller frame, but that's neither here nor there. I have started to think about a 6 cm stem, but recall that some people think that a short stem has an adverse effect on handling. Any opinions on this? Joel Is the stem at it's max height? If not - think about raising it before shortening it. Remember as the bars go UP your arms get LONGER b/c they don't have to go out and DOWN at the same time. Get dem bars up! -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] What's the shortest stem that you would use?
Seth- The bars are at the same height as the seat. They're comfy in that regard and I can ride in the drops, which I can't do for long on my regular road bike. I was also thinking about getting shorter reach handlebars. I am running Noodles. Mark's bars have a 1.5 cm shorter reach, which might do the trick too. I will raise the bars a bit for tomorrow's ride and see how it goes. Joel -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/HTuZI12lVnEJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] What's the shortest stem that you would use?
You don't have to go up much. go up a centimeter, go up two centimeters and see what the difference is. -sv On Aug 6, 2011 3:37 PM, Solomander soloman...@aol.com wrote: Seth- The bars are at the same height as the seat. They're comfy in that regard and I can ride in the drops, which I can't do for long on my regular road bike. I was also thinking about getting shorter reach handlebars. I am running Noodles. Mark's bars have a 1.5 cm shorter reach, which might do the trick too. I will raise the bars a bit for tomorrow's ride and see how it goes. Joel -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/HTuZI12lVnEJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] What's the shortest stem that you would use?
You might also consider narrower bars. I use 46 cm Noodles on my Fargo (3 cm above saddle) and 37 or 38 cm Belleris and GB Maes clones on the road bikes (3 cm below saddle): same reach to hood tips and hooks, roughly. TTs are all within 5 mm of each other. I find it even easier to adapt between the vastly different bar widths and heights than I do between the 160 mm Q of the Fargo and the roughly 130 of the Rivendell fixies. Patrick Moore, finding a cheap Moscato surprisingly refreshing after a 21 mile fixed ride in 95F heat with the humidity at an unconscionable 21% in monsoon season -- hah! -- ABQ, NM. (I chose it to go with freshly made Spring Rolls. Burritos and beer -- yah!) On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Solomander soloman...@aol.com wrote: Seth- The bars are at the same height as the seat. They're comfy in that regard and I can ride in the drops, which I can't do for long on my regular road bike. I was also thinking about getting shorter reach handlebars. I am running Noodles. Mark's bars have a 1.5 cm shorter reach, which might do the trick too. I will raise the bars a bit for tomorrow's ride and see how it goes. Joel -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/HTuZI12lVnEJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com A billion stars go spinning through the night Blazing high above your head; But in you is the Presence that will be When all the stars are dead. (Rilke, Buddha in Glory) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] What's the shortest stem that you would use?
It is the reach of the bars. I am using Campy Ergos and am comfortable on the tops of my Noodles. I was originally thinking about bars with a shorter reach, but as Bill mentioned, there aren't many short reach options in 26mm. I have raised the bars and will see how things sort out on tomorrow's ride. Plan B should probably be a set of Mark's bars. Thanks for all of your advice. Joel -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/o2n7etC4VekJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] What's the shortest stem that you would use?
I would try the shorter reach bars if raising the stem doesn't cut it. I personally think 8-9cm is as short as a stem should get. Most (all?) of the Nitto drop bars are fairly long reach compared to truly short reach bars. Bontrager has a black 26.0 modern compact bar. I suppose somebody industrious could de-black the center section that shows... Doug On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Solomander soloman...@aol.com wrote: I have an 8 cm stem on my AHH (started with a 10 cm) and still feel a little bit stretched out when I ride on the hoods. This leads me to believe that I would be more comfy on a slightly smaller frame, but that's neither here nor there. I have started to think about a 6 cm stem, but recall that some people think that a short stem has an adverse effect on handling. Any opinions on this? Joel -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] What's the shortest stem that you would use?
FWIW, I have three pairs of short reach Nitto 185s for sale: 90 mm reach, 140 m drop (per the published specs). 2 are groove-less and 42 cm, t'other is groovy and 44 cm. $20 each plus shipping. FWIW again, I use 8 cm (Nitto style) stems and, compared to longer stems, I can find no real defect compared to the longer ones I've used (I've used up to 14 cm). Patrick Moore, who has just switched from lower, nearer bars to higher, further bars on his road bikes. On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 3:55 PM, Doug Van Cleve dvancl...@gmail.com wrote: I would try the shorter reach bars if raising the stem doesn't cut it. I personally think 8-9cm is as short as a stem should get. Most (all?) of the Nitto drop bars are fairly long reach compared to truly short reach bars. Bontrager has a black 26.0 modern compact bar. I suppose somebody industrious could de-black the center section that shows... Doug On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Solomander soloman...@aol.com wrote: I have an 8 cm stem on my AHH (started with a 10 cm) and still feel a little bit stretched out when I ride on the hoods. This leads me to believe that I would be more comfy on a slightly smaller frame, but that's neither here nor there. I have started to think about a 6 cm stem, but recall that some people think that a short stem has an adverse effect on handling. Any opinions on this? Joel -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com A billion stars go spinning through the night Blazing high above your head; But in you is the Presence that will be When all the stars are dead. (Rilke, Buddha in Glory) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] What's the shortest stem that you would use?
Pat, The Noodles have a 95 mm reach, so I need something shorter than that. The only possible Nitto would be Mark's bars, which are 82. There seem to be some Salsa, Ritchey and Bontrager bars that have a reach of 75 mm, but they're all black. At least they're relatively inexpensive. Wonder if a 13 mm decrease in drop would be enough. Joel -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/ukbMO0cv8DsJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] What's the shortest stem that you would use?
Hmm .. I thought the Mark was a lighter, nicer 185 -- I may well be wrong. In any event, good luck and please post your solution. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 6, 2011, at 4:47 PM, Solomander soloman...@aol.com wrote: Pat, The Noodles have a 95 mm reach, so I need something shorter than that. The only possible Nitto would be Mark's bars, which are 82. There seem to be some Salsa, Ritchey and Bontrager bars that have a reach of 75 mm, but they're all black. At least they're relatively inexpensive. Wonder if a 13 mm decrease in drop would be enough. Joel -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/ukbMO0cv8DsJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
