Re: [RBW] wouldn't it be nice. . .

2012-07-18 Thread Tim McNamara
It can be done.  Minneapolis has the Cedar Lake Trail, the Midtown Greenway and 
the LRT rails-to-trails corridors and St. Paul has the Gateway and Big River 
trails from the suburbs into downtown.  There are still some problems to 
overcome in terms of integrating cyclists into city street traffic, though, 
which is something at which Copenhagen has excelled.



On Jul 18, 2012, at 4:59 AM, Lyle Bogart lylebog...@gmail.com wrote:

 From today's NY Times:
 
 http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/18/world/europe/in-denmark-pedaling-to-work-on-a-superhighway.html?pagewanted=2_r=1hppagewanted=all
 
 Cheers!
 
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Re: [RBW] wouldn't it be nice. . .

2012-07-18 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Jan Heine had a less-than-ecstatic review or analysis of European
cycling infrastructure compared to US needs; this in a not too old BQ.
IIRC, you could sum up the article by saying It's useful but slow,
not fun and not really applicable to American distances. Now, NYC may
be more European in its cycling needs than much else of the US.

Here in ABQ, NM, the cycling infrastructure grows apace under our
Republican mayor; a major new extension of the Alameda Boulevard bike
path (there is also a nice bike lane for much of the road) and there
is even talk of a cycling Ring Road -- the main complaints per the
front page newspaper article were actually from local a cycling group
or groups because it/they were not involved, or sufficiently involved,
in the planning. And I remember vaguely other in-process plans to
extend one bike path to another bike path with a new $XM bridge of
I-25 -- so many of these improvements, one can't really be expected to
keep up with it all, you know.

Oh, and on West Central (old route 66) near Old Town they removed one
car lane in each direction (now there are just one for each) to make
bike lanes. AND they have turned a couple of E-W cross-town streets --
Copper, some years ago, and more recently Lead, a larger feeder --
into bike avenues with traffic slowing and wide, safe lanes for
cyclists. The one difficulty I remember was going east on Copper where
it ran into the fairground: you were largely left hanging unless, as I
did, you went through the grounds itself -- difficult in full Fair
season.

IIRC, there are some four hundred  miles of bike paths and lanes.

Altogether I would rate ABQ's cycling infrastructure quite highly: it
is indeed easy to get around by bike. OTOH, the distances are large,
the terrain is rolling  and climbs some 1,500 feet from valley floor
where I live to Tramway some 7 miles east as the crow flies, and it is
quite windy. If Amsterdam were laid out like ABQ, I expect far fewer
Hollandais/se would commute by bike -- tho' they'd probably have a
more extensive public transit system: here, apart from the express
lines, it is largely used by the poor.

On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 3:59 AM, Lyle Bogart lylebog...@gmail.com wrote:
 From today's NY Times:

 http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/18/world/europe/in-denmark-pedaling-to-work-on-a-superhighway.html?pagewanted=2_r=1hppagewanted=all

 Cheers!

 lyle

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Re: [RBW] wouldn't it be nice. . .

2012-07-18 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
I have to agree with Tim Mac. Minneapolis is heaven for cycling. Lots of 
off-street paths that go places, bike lanes, and compared to 5 years ago, I 
feel that bikes are MUCH more accepted on city streets. While I don't spend 
much time observing the administrative and political machinations behind 
the scenes, it seems like this stuff just happens in Minneapolis, with 
minimal controversy. St Paul, on the other hand, while not bike un-friendly 
by any means, seems to have all sorts of political resistance to putting 
down any new bike infrastructure. Some of the stories I've heard from the 
other side of the river, in regard to bike-related controversies, are 
baffling.

On Wednesday, July 18, 2012 8:15:42 AM UTC-5, Tim McNamara wrote:

 It can be done.  Minneapolis has the Cedar Lake Trail, the Midtown 
 Greenway and the LRT rails-to-trails corridors and St. Paul has the Gateway 
 and Big River trails from the suburbs into downtown.  There are still some 
 problems to overcome in terms of integrating cyclists into city street 
 traffic, though, which is something at which Copenhagen has excelled.



 On Jul 18, 2012, at 4:59 AM, Lyle Bogart lylebog...@gmail.com wrote:

 From today's NY Times:


 http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/18/world/europe/in-denmark-pedaling-to-work-on-a-superhighway.html?pagewanted=2_r=1hppagewanted=all

 Cheers!

 lyle

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 207.882.6494
 206.794.6937

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