[RBW] Re: ATTENTION NY RIV'S

[islaysteve]

Sounds lovely, would love to be there!  But I'm sitting here with a fire 
and glass of wine in drizzly DC and I don't think I'll make it.  Hope you 
get a few other like-mined souls.  Cheers, Steve


On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 3:37:20 PM UTC-5, alan lavine wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> Having a beer hall meeting (not to be confused with a town hall meeting) 
> this Tuesday evening, 6 pm at the Spritzenhouse 33, 33 Nassau Ave in 
> beautiful downtown Greenpoint, Brooklyn.  Object is to rehydrate, tell tall 
> tales, compare bikes, stories, parts and adventures from the last year, or 
> any year.  There will be, at the very least, me and Brad but would love a 
> bigger crowd.  Any human who has ever ridden a bike once in their life and 
> still has a pulse is invited!
>
> I'll spring for the first pitchersee you then.
>
> Alan
> NYC
>

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[RBW] WTB 700c disc wheelset

[Jon BALER]

QBP sells a pre-built  front wheel with Shimano dynamo hub with centerlock 
discs and velocity dyad rim for just over $200. 

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[RBW] Re: FS - Nitto Noodles, Lugged Stem, B17, CrossRIDE tires.

['Bikie#4646' via RBW Owners Bunch]

All sold except the 41cm Noodles. Anyone? 
Thanks,
Paul

On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 4:03:08 PM UTC-5, Bikie#4646 wrote:
>
> *Hey all, left from a frame sale:*
>
> Nitto Lugged Stem, 26mm x 100mm. Used, in very good condition. Price on 
> Rivendell site: $228. Will sell for $110, shipped, CONUS.
>
> Nitto Noodle bars, 41cm. Used, in very good condition. Rivendell site: 
> $73. Will sell for $40, shipped, CONUS.
>
> Brooks B17, honey saddle. Used with some natural beausage, but in good 
> condition. Price on Rivendell site: $130. Will sell for $75, shipped, CONUS.
>
> Pair of Continental CrossRIDE narrow knobbies, 700 x 42mm (measure 39mm.) 
> New, mounted but not ridden. Price on Rivendell site: $30 ea. 
> ( 
> https://www.rivbike.com/collections/tires/products/continental-cyclocross-cross-ride-700c-x-42-39-folding
>  
> ) Will sell for $30/pair, shipped free, CONUS.
>
> Images on Flickr: 
> *https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/albums/72157660981689094 
> *
>
> Contact me off-list.
>
> Thanks,
> Paul Germain
> Midlothian, Va.
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: What is the most interesting thing in you parts bin?

['Bikie#4646' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Chris,
-20 and 4 feet of snow? And you're not building that thing? Shame!
Paul Germain
Midlothian, Va.

On Friday, January 13, 2017 at 7:42:04 PM UTC-5, Christopher Murray wrote:
>
> It's -20 with about 4 feet of snow here so I did a little parts bin 
> organizing. Made me wonder what interesting things people have stashed 
> away. Mine is a new in the box, never built up, hunqapillar green with 
> cream details, 56cm Quickbeam. One day I'll get around to building it up.  
>
> What do you got? Bonus point for pictures. 
>
> Cheers!
> Chris
>
>

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[RBW] Re: What is the most interesting thing in you parts bin?

[Christopher Murray]

And a bucket of grease- especially a Campy bucket of grease- is just an amazing 
thing! 

cm 

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[RBW] Re: What is the most interesting thing in you parts bin?

[Christopher Murray]

I had forgotten about it (not in the sense I was suprised it was there but in 
the sense I hadn't thought about it in years). I got it at a much different 
time in my life and it just never got built. I probably have all the parts in 
the bin. I fell in love with the Nitto Humble seat post and this bike was built 
around that post and a pair of XTR brake levers. 

It will get built this winter. 

Cheers!
Chris 

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Re: [RBW] Hunq-ish Romanceur build with Riv Bullmoose bars

[Zach Duval]

I'll ride it as a MTB, to complement my Hillborne, up mountainous terrain and 
to the mountains from home (a versatile gear range is preferrable). I'don't 
like to take it on the MT section of the Divide trail, or from Kalispell to 
Banff and back at the least.

I plan to run 26" wheels, with 2.3 or so knobbies, probably on Velocity Blunt 
35s, as well as RTPs eventually.

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[RBW] Hunq-ish Romanceur build with Riv Bullmoose bars

[Philip Kim]

I would use TRP spikes or Spyres, XT RD 11-36, velocity blunt sl, center lock 
discs

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[RBW] Re: Disc Brake Pros and Cons

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I think the subject itself is pretty on topic as the Riv Blug has had a 
number of essays covering this subject. I recall that Mr. Petersen was 
contemplating a disc tab for the rear of the HBH tandem at one point. 

On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 1:29:28 AM UTC-5, Evan Baird wrote:
>
> Now that I think about it isn't this discussion a little OT for Riv? I 
> remember somebody was threatening to put disc tabs on an Atlantis at one 
> point, but i don't think I've actually seen it done. Am I wrong? If post 
> post the link cuz now I'm curious.
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Carradice Pendle bag

[lum gim fong]

sold

On Friday, January 13, 2017 at 6:39:48 PM UTC-5, lum gim fong wrote:
>
> 65$ shipped Conus.
> A normal bit of color fade, but works great. Not used a whole lot.
> Comes also with the long straps for attaching jacket, etc. to top outside 
> of bag.
> email  me for pics.
> Paypal please.
>

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[RBW] Re: Yepp Mini on Rivendell experiences?

[Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles]

Hi Tony,
We use a Lazer Bob helmet, the range is 46cm-52cm (Pretty small)... works 
great and comes in some fun patterns.

On Friday, January 13, 2017 at 7:28:14 PM UTC-5, Will wrote:
>
> You might try an Ovation. They make an XXS helmet. We have one. They are 
> nice.
>
> http://www.ovationriding.com/helmets/ovation-schooler-helmet-467566 
>
> On Friday, January 13, 2017 at 4:11:14 PM UTC-6, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>>
>> Got my Yepp Mini and plan to try it out while I'm in North Carolina next 
>> weekend with some mild weather... any consensus on helmets for small 
>> noggins?  I had picked up a Bell advertised as 'infant' size and it's a bit 
>> large, probably will work fine with a knit hat.  Some shopping on amazon 
>> and I'm finding all listed at 1 year +...  My daughter just about 7 months 
>> and aside from being a pretty robust ~20lbs has good head/neck control. 
>>  The nutcase helmet looks good, and my wife likes hers.  Figure I'll try 
>> that unless I hear some other good ideas from the list.  
>>
>> Tony
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Brooks B17 Imperial Flyer Saddle

[lum gim fong]

bump 100$
pm me if you want it





On Friday, January 13, 2017 at 7:11:08 PM UTC-5, lum gim fong wrote:

> The B17 sprung saddle with the cutout!
>
> Brand spankin' new and never mounted. Pristine.
> 120$ Paypal gets it to ya' anywhere in continental US.
>
> Glad to ship across oceans if you pay for the extra shipping.
>

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[RBW] Re: Disc Brake Pros and Cons

[Garth]

Oh ... close enough to OT to be OT. whatever that "on topic" may or may not 
include.  

Disc brakes ?  Maybe some day, like when/if I realy need them and when/if ever 
there is some sort of standard to the standard, becàuse now it's a 
free-for-aĺl. Maybe those days are gone though, it seems so. I can see why 
retail bike shops would have such a hard time, you now need a separate 
warehouse for all the different parts for all the different standards. 


The Good things of life don't need fixed and replaced, and that is why the good 
is so absolutely good, for nothing else matters but this. 

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[RBW] FS: Tektro R539 brakes

[lum gim fong]

45$ shipped anywhere CONUS
pm me if interested and for pics.
Like new.
Used them for a month before 650b converting my bike.
Very shiny and new looking.

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[RBW] Re: What is the most interesting thing in you parts bin?

[Frank Brose]

I'm thinking one day you should contact me and we'll agree on a price to 
have it shipped to northern Wisconsin. 
Happy Trails,
Frank

On Friday, January 13, 2017 at 6:42:04 PM UTC-6, Christopher Murray wrote:
>
> It's -20 with about 4 feet of snow here so I did a little parts bin 
> organizing. Made me wonder what interesting things people have stashed 
> away. Mine is a new in the box, never built up, hunqapillar green with 
> cream details, 56cm Quickbeam. One day I'll get around to building it up.  
>
> What do you got? Bonus point for pictures. 
>
> Cheers!
> Chris
>
>

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[RBW] FS: 64cm Waterford T-14 FFHS

[MartyG]

Making room for the Big Rosco Mixte, and parting with this one. It's a 2003 
64cm Waterford T-14 (tigged version of the Adventure Cycle) in great 
condition. Frame/fork/headset/stem only. One of the nicest greens I've 
seen. No damage. Read all about it, and get geometry specs at the Waterford 
site:  http://waterfordbikes.com/now/models.php?Model=673 
http://waterfordbikes.com/now/geos.php?Model=673

Asking $575 shipped to the US48. Local pickup in the Baltimore / DC area 
possible. Includes beautiful Steelman stem pictured (not the Funky Monkey 
cable stop) in the Flickr album here:  
https://www.flickr.com/photos/32306142@N07/albums/72157659959226798/with/21876294723/

Thanks for looking!

Marty



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[RBW] Re: FS: Joe App 55cm Butternut New In Box!

[Nash Taylor]

Well that happened fast!  What a deal!  Let me know if it doesn't work out :)

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[RBW] PSA - Craigslist 63cm Roadeo f/f/hs +extras

[Philip Williamson]

Not mine. I'm getting a root canal, instead. 
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/5958528472.html

Gray, large, just the right number of nicks, and a dynamo wheel... ideal. 

Philip
www.biketinker.com

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[RBW] A nice morning for a ride

[Daniel Betancourt]

I'm on my second week of training for a century ride and today I was 
supposed to go 35 miles (see training chart below). I normally go around 
10-20 miles per ride and haven't biked past 25 miles since September so I 
was looking forward to both going longer distances and seeing how the bike 
rode and how I felt afterward. 

WEEK DATE RANGE SUN
RECOVERY MON
REST TUE
INTERVAL WED
REST THU
INTERVAL FRI
REST SAT
ENDURANCE 
1 Jan 1-7 10 Off 10 Off 10 Off 28 
2 Jan 8-14 10 Off 10 Off 10 Off 35 
3 Jan 15-21 10 Off 15 Off 15 Off 42 
4 Jan 22-28 10 Off 15 Off 15 Off 49 
5 Jan 29-Feb 4 10 Off 20 Off 20 Off 56 
6 Feb 5-11 10 Off 20 Off 20 Off 63 
7 Feb 12-18 10 Off 25 Off 25 Off 70 
8 Feb 19-25 10 Off 10 Off 10 Off 100


I first rode through downtown Oviedo which like Key West is known for their 
roaming chickens and had to take a pic.





There is a short offroad section which mud and rocks that I hate riding 
over with my road bike (see pic below). The Sam handled it with no issues. 
That is a big plus for me.








I averaged 13.2 mph over the ride and was generally pleased with the 
performance and lack of my back and wrists getting sore when riding my road 
bike.







My legs are sore from the ride but that is to be expected. I'm still 
getting used to the saddle and haven't ridden that distance in some time so 
I'm a bit saddle sore. Another explanation is that the saddle still isn't 
broke in yet. One nice thing I was able to do was to change my riding 
stance to sitting straighter up which altered the pressure on the saddle 
more on my pubic bones and less on my groin. I don't have that option on my 
road bike. 


So far I'm loving this new bike! I'm having a Nitto R14 rear rack installed 
on the bike today and looking forward to going out on a group social ride 
around downtown Winter Park tomorrow with the wife. That should be a lot of 
fun. 


Dan




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[RBW] Re: FS: Tektro R539 brakes

[lum gim fong]

To clarify, these are calipers only, not levers. 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Brooks B17 Imperial Flyer Saddle

[lum gim fong]

Sold! Thanks!

On Friday, January 13, 2017 at 7:11:08 PM UTC-5, lum gim fong wrote:
>
> The B17 sprung saddle with the cutout!
>
> Brand spankin' new and never mounted. Pristine.
> 120$ Paypal gets it to ya' anywhere in continental US.
>
> Glad to ship across oceans if you pay for the extra shipping.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Disc Brake Pros and Cons

[George Schick]

Man, that was a tough request.  I had to do some digging, but I finally 
found the original invoice from the on-line shop where I bought it.  The 
invoice is dated October, 2004 and the Avid disc brake assembly was listed 
as BR7082.  Not sure what that means - an Avid part number or the shop's 
inventory part number.  Anyway, it evidently dates back to pretty early in 
the BB7 scheme and you raise valid points about improvements that the manf. 
probably made over the last decade+.  I keep saying "it" because I only 
bought one for the front and have a V-brake on the rear because back then 
Surly didn't have a good way of removing the wheel with those rear facing 
dropouts if it was set up with a disc brake back there. Looking back on the 
purchase, I think I would've used V-brakes both front and back if I had to 
do it all over again. 

On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 12:45:37 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Very good points, George. 
>
> Question: what model/version of the BB7s are you using? Are they mountain 
> or road? New or old?
>
> For the record, all my disc setups (all 3 have been BB7s, 1 or 2 mountain 
> of the circa 2012 or so vintage; 2 road, one circa 2010, one 2016) have 
> been installed on bikes with hollow QR axles. I did notice some pad rub -- 
> but only sometimes! Usually after riding several miles in fine sand or dust 
> -- when I stood, this with the mt version and V brake drop levers; but not 
> with the current roads.
>
> If I were to replace my current BB7s, I'd look closely at the Spyres and 
> Klampers; but I am very pleased to say that, so far, I am very, very 
> pleased with the current version of the BB7 road model.
>
> Speaking to Garth's post: I think mechanical disc brakes are pretty well 
> sorted out by now, at least to judge by my late model BB7s, which 
> scuttlebutt says are not as good as Spyres and Klampers. They work pretty 
> damned well!
>
> Value for discs: IMO, only for dirty riding where rim brakes can wear out 
> rims quickly; and of course for wet riding, if you like. They also let you 
> use very light rims, like the Velocity Blunt SS:
>
>
> http://www.wiggle.com/velocity-rims-blunt-ss-mtb-rim/?lang=us=USD=18=5360699424=5360699424_source=google_term_campaign=US_PLA_High+Margin_medium=base_content=mkwid%7csxoSZlk5w_dc%7cpcrid%7c96364502648%7cpkw%7c%7cpmt%7c%7cprd%7c5360699424us
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 4:21 PM, George Schick  > wrote:
>
>> Patrick - I'd add one more item to your list.  I've got a BB7 on the 
>> front of my Surly 1x1 and for years I had trouble with the pads rubbing the 
>> rotor, making noises while riding - just as Jan has pointed out as a 
>> potential shortcoming of discs.  I tried everything; trued the rotor, 
>> changed the rotor to new, changed to higher quality pads, etc.  Nothing 
>> worked as a lasting solution.  Finally, I bought a solid axle to replace 
>> the QR that came with the hub, installed it, and *bolted* it onto the 
>> fork.  No problems whatsoever since then including rubbing noise or 
>> adjustment issues.
>>
>> I'm concluding that *some* disc units on *some* forks (especially with 
>> QR) may present ongoing problems that only a bolted-on hub will prevent.  
>> Now, the BB7 is a lower quality mechanical disc unit so maybe high-end 
>> units are different.  I also have an early 2000's Trek Fuel 90 MTB 
>> (equipped with QR hubs, BTW) that came equipped with Hayes hydro units and 
>> they were a continual problem - rubbed or even just plain locked up all the 
>> time.  I final threw in the towel on 'em last year and upgraded the entire 
>> system to Shimano's highest-end brakes.  Nary a problem ever since - smooth 
>> braking, no grabbing, no rubbing.  And the LBS that I bought the Shimano 
>> unit from immediately acknowledged the PITA they'd always had with Hayes 
>> brakes.  So maybe there are a myriad of factors at work and if one gets 
>> stuck with an unworkable set up they just have to experiment around until 
>> they find out what solves the problem. 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Free for postage- classic bike xeroxes and maps

[Mike]

I'm moving and need to shed stuff.  This should all fit in a USPS flat rate 
envelope for 6.45

Here is a small collection of classic bicycle themed articles/books- note, 
these are photocopies, not the originals.  They were given to me years ago by a 
friend who owns a bike shop.  He copied these from an old-timer employee.  
Classic stuff mostly from the "Bike Boom" era.

Building Bicycle Wheels- by Robert Wright 1977 

Sprocket Man - bike safety comic book from MIT 1976

Cycl-ology - catalog from Wheel Good Corp, from Minneapolis. Looks like late 
60's, tons of classic parts and articles. I think this is the kind of thing 
Grant was basing his Bridgestone catalogs on.  Like the Whole Earth Catalog for 
bikes.  I guess former employees founded Flanders Cycle.  See first paragraph 
here:  http://flandersbros.com/history/

Some other random bike info sheet copies (Raleighs and Gitanes and such)

Plus some maps:  random Maine, New Hampshire, Mass, and Michigan bike maps.

Everything goes as a package.  I just want to pass this stuff along rather than 
putting it in the recycling bin.  It's all a really interesting time capsule of 
cycling in the past decades.  I just don't want to cart it along on one more 
move.

PayPal friends and family preferred.

Cheers- Mike in Bklyn, NY, but not for long

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[RBW] ATTENTION NY RIV'S

[alan lavine]

Hello all,

Having a beer hall meeting (not to be confused with a town hall meeting) 
this Tuesday evening, 6 pm at the Spritzenhouse 33, 33 Nassau Ave in 
beautiful downtown Greenpoint, Brooklyn.  Object is to rehydrate, tell tall 
tales, compare bikes, stories, parts and adventures from the last year, or 
any year.  There will be, at the very least, me and Brad but would love a 
bigger crowd.  Any human who has ever ridden a bike once in their life and 
still has a pulse is invited!

I'll spring for the first pitchersee you then.

Alan
NYC

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[RBW] Re: Exploding Tires

[Nick Worthington]

>
> Have to agree with the others - was likely pinched.  We had this happen 
> over and over with my wife's rear wheel when she switched to Little-Big 
> Bens.  That combination of rim and tire made it extremely hard to get the 
> tire seated properly.  In the end, after a lot of other trouble-shooting, 
> we got a new wheel with a different rim.  No problems since.
>

Nick W. 

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[RBW] FS - Nitto Noodles, Lugged Stem, B17, CrossRIDE tires.

['Bikie#4646' via RBW Owners Bunch]

*Hey all, left from a frame sale:*

Nitto Lugged Stem, 26mm x 100mm. Used, in very good condition. Price on 
Rivendell site: $228. Will sell for $110, shipped, CONUS.

Nitto Noodle bars, 41cm. Used, in very good condition. Rivendell site: $73. 
Will sell for $40, shipped, CONUS.

Brooks B17, honey saddle. Used with some natural beausage, but in good 
condition. Price on Rivendell site: $130. Will sell for $75, shipped, CONUS.

Pair of Continental CrossRIDE narrow knobbies, 700 x 42mm (measure 39mm.) 
New, mounted but not ridden. Price on Rivendell site: $30 ea. 
( 
https://www.rivbike.com/collections/tires/products/continental-cyclocross-cross-ride-700c-x-42-39-folding
 
) Will sell for $30/pair, shipped free, CONUS.

Images on Flickr: 
*https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/albums/72157660981689094*

Contact me off-list.

Thanks,
Paul Germain
Midlothian, Va.


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[RBW] Re: FS: 64cm Waterford T-14 FFHS

[MartyG]

Sale pending.


>
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Re: [RBW] Re: What is the most interesting thing in you parts bin?

[Jack K]

Patrick, are you referring to the White Industries LMDS? 
http://www.disraeligears.co.uk/Site/White_Industries_LMDS_derailleur.html

I've never laid hands on any of the deraileurs produced in the U.S. during 
the CNC boom, but none of them seemed to have a very good reputation for 
effectively moving a chain across gears. Neato looking bits though ...

-Jack
Raleigh, NC

On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 1:37:27 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> More neat things. I see that these are not the short lived desmodromic 
> (in/out by cable action and not spring) US made rd that came out in the 
> late '80s or very early '90s; does anyone remember those?
>
> On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 9:57 PM, Joe Bernard  > wrote:
>>
>>
>> Late '90s Precision Billet Pro-Shift rear derailer, CNCed in Santee, CA. 
>> With original box, instructions and sticker. Pretty cool, eh? I need to put 
>> it on a vintage MTB build one of these days.
>>
>> Interesting/bizarre factoid: There's a guy in Canada who was supplying 
>> parts for these things, then decided to start selling complete new 
>> derailers. He even calls the website Precision Billet, although there's no 
>> labeling on the mechs themselves. Apparently the original manufacturer - 
>> he's still making CNC stuff (non-bike) in CA. - chewed him out, but has no 
>> proof of legal right to the design or name. So that's different.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: What is the most interesting thing in you parts bin?

[Joe Bernard]

I've used the Pro-Shift on several bikes. It worked fine with Shimano trigger 
and Silver friction shifters, I've just run out of bikes to mount it on. 

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[RBW] FS: 64cm Waterford T-14 FFHS

[WETH]

Marty,
Beautiful bike.  The Waterford website you link to lists 700x32 as tire 
clearance.  What size tires have you fit? What is the size of the schwalbe 
tires pictured and atandover height with them on?
With thanks,
Erl

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Re: [RBW] Best handlebar width on a 61 Atlantis?

['Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch]

>From the Riv site: If you're a small woman, order a 41; medium woman or small 
>guy, get a 44; average guy, get the 46; big strong guy, the 48. That being 
>said, I started out with 44s on my 62cm Homer, then switched to 46. I couldn't 
>honestly say there was much difference to me, although I tend to be somewhat 
>immune to nuance in such things (with the one exception of switching to 
>Compass EL tires!). But I have three bikes with 46 Noodles now. That's my go 
>to bar but I wouldn't be opposed to trying 48s. 

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[RBW] Re: FS: 64cm Waterford T-14 FFHS

[MartyG]

Thanks Weth. The tires I have on it are 38mm Marathon Cross. Plenty of 
clearance with fenders. (I've had 40mm Schwalbes on it with fenders = no 
problem.) From the site: Cantilever brakes offer excellent braking and 
clearance for 38C tires plus fenders. Rear brake cable bridge is included 
where size permits.

 Standover with tires pictured is 34 3/4"/ 88.5mm. 

On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 10:21:48 AM UTC-5, MartyG wrote:
>
> Making room for the Big Rosco Mixte, and parting with this one. It's a 
> 2003 64cm Waterford T-14 (tigged version of the Adventure Cycle) in great 
> condition. Frame/fork/headset/stem only. One of the nicest greens I've 
> seen. No damage. Read all about it, and get geometry specs at the Waterford 
> site:  http://waterfordbikes.com/now/models.php?Model=673 
> 
>   
>http://waterfordbikes.com/now/geos.php?Model=673 
> 
>
> Asking $575 shipped to the US48. Local pickup in the Baltimore / DC area 
> possible. Includes beautiful Steelman stem pictured (not the Funky Monkey 
> cable stop) in the Flickr album here:  
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/32306142@N07/albums/72157659959226798/with/21876294723/
>
> Thanks for looking!
>
> Marty
>
>
> 
>
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[RBW] Re: What is the most interesting thing in you parts bin?

[MartyG]

>
> Not sure how interesting, but I've had this tub of Campy grease (the big 
> one!) for around 40 years and counting. Still plenty of bottom brackets, 
> hubs and headsets it it's future. (Full to the lower blue line in this 
> photo) Smells like the day I bought it. A real extravagance for a college 
> freshman working at a local bike shop in Wisconsin, but its one of the few 
> things that has as much value, and offers as much joy today as the day it 
> was bought at Island Cycle in Minneapolis. 



 

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[RBW] Albastache more comfortable than the original road Moustache?

[Max S]

Jitensha bar?.. not many positions but they're somehow more natural. Or a Jones 
Loop Bar?.. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS 53cm Roadeo

[Chad]

$1450 shipped for the frame/fork/headset/bottom bracket.

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[RBW] FS- older Lewis and Clark trail maps

[Mike]

Hello-

I have some older (2005) Adventure Cycling Lewis and Clark trail maps.  I ended 
up never taking the trip.  They are obviously outdated, but I believe ACA has 
updates on their website, and if someone lives or visits up there, they may 
show you some good routes to ride.

I have maps 3 to 7, from Pierre, South Dakota to Astoria, Oregon.

ACA sells the current ones for over 15 bucks each.  I'm looking for $20 plus 
shipping for all five, which should be $6.45 USPS.

I'm moving and don't want to cart them around any more and don't want to 
recycle them either.

Cheers- Mike 

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Re: [RBW] Albastache more comfortable than the original road Moustache?

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks, Max. Before fiddling with this any further, I'm just going to
borrow a drop bar and see how that affects folding. If it works, fine. If
not, more nattering. With my new to me stem clamp extension, the Jitensha
may be alright; I'll just have to accept the reality that this will be a
short distance bike.

On Sat, Jan 14, 2017 at 10:07 AM, Max S  wrote:

> Jitensha bar?.. not many positions but they're somehow more natural. Or a
> Jones Loop Bar?..
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Re: [RBW] Re: What is the most interesting thing in you parts bin?

[Patrick Moore]

More neat things. I see that these are not the short lived desmodromic
(in/out by cable action and not spring) US made rd that came out in the
late '80s or very early '90s; does anyone remember those?

On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 9:57 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
>
> Late '90s Precision Billet Pro-Shift rear derailer, CNCed in Santee, CA.
> With original box, instructions and sticker. Pretty cool, eh? I need to put
> it on a vintage MTB build one of these days.
>
> Interesting/bizarre factoid: There's a guy in Canada who was supplying
> parts for these things, then decided to start selling complete new
> derailers. He even calls the website Precision Billet, although there's no
> labeling on the mechs themselves. Apparently the original manufacturer -
> he's still making CNC stuff (non-bike) in CA. - chewed him out, but has no
> proof of legal right to the design or name. So that's different.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Disc Brake Pros and Cons

[Patrick Moore]

Very good points, George.

Question: what model/version of the BB7s are you using? Are they mountain
or road? New or old?

For the record, all my disc setups (all 3 have been BB7s, 1 or 2 mountain
of the circa 2012 or so vintage; 2 road, one circa 2010, one 2016) have
been installed on bikes with hollow QR axles. I did notice some pad rub --
but only sometimes! Usually after riding several miles in fine sand or dust
-- when I stood, this with the mt version and V brake drop levers; but not
with the current roads.

If I were to replace my current BB7s, I'd look closely at the Spyres and
Klampers; but I am very pleased to say that, so far, I am very, very
pleased with the current version of the BB7 road model.

Speaking to Garth's post: I think mechanical disc brakes are pretty well
sorted out by now, at least to judge by my late model BB7s, which
scuttlebutt says are not as good as Spyres and Klampers. They work pretty
damned well!

Value for discs: IMO, only for dirty riding where rim brakes can wear out
rims quickly; and of course for wet riding, if you like. They also let you
use very light rims, like the Velocity Blunt SS:

http://www.wiggle.com/velocity-rims-blunt-ss-mtb-rim/?lang=us=USD=18=5360699424=5360699424_source=google_term_campaign=US_PLA_High+Margin_medium=base_content=mkwid%7csxoSZlk5w_dc%7cpcrid%7c96364502648%7cpkw%7c%7cpmt%7c%7cprd%7c5360699424us



On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 4:21 PM, George Schick  wrote:

> Patrick - I'd add one more item to your list.  I've got a BB7 on the front
> of my Surly 1x1 and for years I had trouble with the pads rubbing the
> rotor, making noises while riding - just as Jan has pointed out as a
> potential shortcoming of discs.  I tried everything; trued the rotor,
> changed the rotor to new, changed to higher quality pads, etc.  Nothing
> worked as a lasting solution.  Finally, I bought a solid axle to replace
> the QR that came with the hub, installed it, and *bolted* it onto the
> fork.  No problems whatsoever since then including rubbing noise or
> adjustment issues.
>
> I'm concluding that *some* disc units on *some* forks (especially with
> QR) may present ongoing problems that only a bolted-on hub will prevent.
> Now, the BB7 is a lower quality mechanical disc unit so maybe high-end
> units are different.  I also have an early 2000's Trek Fuel 90 MTB
> (equipped with QR hubs, BTW) that came equipped with Hayes hydro units and
> they were a continual problem - rubbed or even just plain locked up all the
> time.  I final threw in the towel on 'em last year and upgraded the entire
> system to Shimano's highest-end brakes.  Nary a problem ever since - smooth
> braking, no grabbing, no rubbing.  And the LBS that I bought the Shimano
> unit from immediately acknowledged the PITA they'd always had with Hayes
> brakes.  So maybe there are a myriad of factors at work and if one gets
> stuck with an unworkable set up they just have to experiment around until
> they find out what solves the problem.
>
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[RBW] Free for postage- classic bike xeroxes and maps

[M D Smith]

Wow- you folks are fast!

Xeroxes are spoken for.

-Mike

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Re: [RBW] Re: What is the most interesting thing in you parts bin?

[Addisonwilhite]

One of these. Kinda 

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> On Jan 14, 2017, at 6:49 PM, Christopher Murray  
> wrote:
> 
> And a bucket of grease- especially a Campy bucket of grease- is just an 
> amazing thing! 
> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: What is the most interesting thing in you parts bin?

[Joe Bernard]

Patrick, therein lies the problem small US parts makers encountered in the rear 
derailer market: It may be cool and funky-looking and light (my Pro-Shift is 
very light), but it was never going to shift any better than a much less 
expensive XT mech. Then Shimano popped out 9-speed XTR and the game was over. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: What is the most interesting thing in you parts bin?

[Patrick Moore]

That's the one; thanks. I didn't realize it was WI, tho' it does fit with
their high end and elegant products like the ENO hub and DOS fw.

I seem to recall reading praises for its performance, the defects as listed
in DG notwithstanding. Still, it's obviously a complicated solution to a
problem, if problem it was, much easier solved by simpler means, like I
suppose the 8-speed era Deore XT rd.

On Sat, Jan 14, 2017 at 2:32 PM, Jack K  wrote:

> Patrick, are you referring to the White Industries LMDS?
> http://www.disraeligears.co.uk/Site/White_Industries_LMDS_derailleur.html
>
> I've never laid hands on any of the deraileurs produced in the U.S. during
> the CNC boom, but none of them seemed to have a very good reputation for
> effectively moving a chain across gears. Neato looking bits though ...
>
>

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Re: [RBW] My Cantis cant get no respect.

[Ashwath Akirekadu]

Wish I had known about these before I got VO Zeste Cantis for the Appaloosa
I'm going to build soon.  Given the tire clearance (I had to see A picture
of it mounted on an MTB to fully get the idea) and fraction of the price,
they were worth trying even if it meant giving them away later for whatever
reason.

I have V-brakes on a Gary Fisher Marlin that I have owned since 2007.  I'm
pretty certain I'm not technical enough, but I've never felt modulation
issue in 2000 or so miles I've ridden it.

Having said that, I do think Cantis look way more pleasing on Riv style
bikes.



On Thursday, January 12, 2017, George Schick  wrote:

> If I'm not mistaken, those are Tektro 857AL brakes.  They have the extra
> long 110mm arms for fender clearance.  I bought one a few years ago for my
> Surly 1x1 that has wheels with 60mm Big Apple tires covered by SKS P65 MTB
> fenders.  They just clear the fenders with a couple of mm's to spare.
>
> On Thursday, January 12, 2017 at 7:56:26 PM UTC-6, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>>
>> Hi, can't find a model # on them. For a little while Riv sold a V-brake,
>> but I don't see them on the website currently. I would think if you call
>> Rivendell and ask what model was used on the first gen Clem completes
>> somebody will know.
>>
>> On Thursday, January 12, 2017 at 4:18:07 PM UTC-5, Ash A wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Mark,
>>>
>>> Those V-brakes look quite good!  Any idea what Tektro model is it?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> -Ash
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, 11 January 2017 18:36:04 UTC-8, Mark in Beacon wrote:

 I think this came up not long ago on the iBoB list. Not all V brakes
 are created equally when it comes to clearance. I found a helpful list on
 gravelbike:

 http://www.gravelbike.com/v-brake-arm-lengths/

 The stock Tektros on my Clementine cleared a 2 inch tire with fender no
 problem.




 On Wednesday, January 11, 2017 at 7:17:20 AM UTC-5, Eric Daume wrote:
>
> Different experiences, Steve. I've used V brakes since the Shimano
> introduced them in '96, and I have zero complaints for their modulation. I
> will admit they can make fenders over big tires challenging.
>
> On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 10:14 PM, Steve Palincsar 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On 01/10/2017 07:13 PM, Eric Daume wrote:
>>
>>> I'll say, V brakes are the ones that don't seem to get any respect.
>>> Cantis still have some cool factor from the 'cross crowd, but V brake 
>>> seem
>>> mostly relegated to cheap hybrids. But if you look at power, cost, 
>>> weight,
>>> modulation, and set up ease, I think V's would at least get a podium 
>>> finish
>>> in every category.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> A prize for modulation?  They give prizes for not having any?  In my
>> - admittedly limited - experience, V brakes have all the modulation of an
>> electric light switch and all the simplicity of the binary numbering
>> system: ON and OFF with nothing in between.  Then, there's butt ugly,
>> incompatible with standard brake levers and integrated brake/shift levers
>> and interference with fenders to add to their "charms."
>>
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Re: [RBW] Hunq-ish Romanceur build with Riv Bullmoose bars

[Patrick Moore]

What kind of riding will you use the Romanceur for? That will determine
gearing, of course, as well as other setup.

The frame looks well thought out, though I'd be somewhat between sizes as
far as top tubes go. I'll be interested to learn more about your build and
about how it rides.

And, I don't think it's too far OT at all; its Rivendellian or at least
Rivendell-esque, if not a Rivendell.

Drivetrain: If it were *mine*, this is what I'd do (27" wheel). Silver bar
end shifters. But I realize that I'm weird.

  46 28
14 89
15 83
16 78
17 73 50
18 69 42
19 65 40
21 59 36
23 54 33
26 48 29
30 41 25

On Sat, Jan 14, 2017 at 5:03 PM, Zach Duval  wrote:

> Anyone want to play build designer on my dime?
>
> Apologies if this is off topic (non-Riv frame), but I'm looking for advice
> on building up my Crust bikes Romanceur frame into a Hunq-inspired trail
> bike. (This is sort of a poor-ish man's Riv, but with disc brakes).
>
> So far I've only got the bars and a SUNXCD crankset (46-28, after the 28
> was mistakenly shipped instead of a 30).
>
> What additional drivetrain parts would you spec?
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[RBW] Re: WTB 700c disc wheelset

[Bruce Smitham]

Thanks Jon, I'll take a look at that. I'm glad I haven't pulled the trigger 
on any wheels or components because I've been reading more about 
converting/building up as 650B/27.5" to fit some bigger tires. I was 
thinking of XT 1 x 11 with Jeff Jones loop bars or drop bars but I haven't 
settled on a good road brifter that works with disc brakes and Shimano 11 
speed MTN.

Take care,

Bruce

On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 5:12:21 PM UTC-8, Jon BALER wrote:
>
> QBP sells a pre-built  front wheel with Shimano dynamo hub with centerlock 
> discs and velocity dyad rim for just over $200. 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Tektro R539 brakes

[lum gim fong]

pics:

 https://www.flickr.com/gp/70237737@N00/w59K6L

pm if interested

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[RBW] SOLD: FS: 64cm Waterford T-14 FFHS

[MartyG]

On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 10:21:48 AM UTC-5, MartyG wrote:
>
> Making room for the Big Rosco Mixte, and parting with this one. It's a 
> 2003 64cm Waterford T-14 (tigged version of the Adventure Cycle) in great 
> condition. Frame/fork/headset/stem only. One of the nicest greens I've 
> seen. No damage. Read all about it, and get geometry specs at the Waterford 
> site:  http://waterfordbikes.com/now/models.php?Model=673 
> http://waterfordbikes.com/now/geos.php?Model=673
>
> Asking $575 shipped to the US48. Local pickup in the Baltimore / DC area 
> possible. Includes beautiful Steelman stem pictured (not the Funky Monkey 
> cable stop) in the Flickr album here:  
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/32306142@N07/albums/72157659959226798/with/21876294723/
>
> Thanks for looking!
>
> Marty
>
>
> 
>
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[RBW] Re: A nice morning for a ride

[islaysteve]

Nice ride.  You know you're making most of us in the rest of the country 
envious.  Can't complain too much here, though, just a bit rainy in 
 Maryland.  Reminds me of the training schedule I followed for my first 
centuries.  Good luck, Steve


On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 2:37:55 PM UTC-5, Daniel Betancourt wrote:
>
> I'm on my second week of training for a century ride and today I was 
> supposed to go 35 miles (see training chart below). I normally go around 
> 10-20 miles per ride and haven't biked past 25 miles since September so I 
> was looking forward to both going longer distances and seeing how the bike 
> rode and how I felt afterward. 
>
> WEEK DATE RANGE SUN
> RECOVERY MON
> REST TUE
> INTERVAL WED
> REST THU
> INTERVAL FRI
> REST SAT
> ENDURANCE 
> 1 Jan 1-7 10 Off 10 Off 10 Off 28 
> 2 Jan 8-14 10 Off 10 Off 10 Off 35 
> 3 Jan 15-21 10 Off 15 Off 15 Off 42 
> 4 Jan 22-28 10 Off 15 Off 15 Off 49 
> 5 Jan 29-Feb 4 10 Off 20 Off 20 Off 56 
> 6 Feb 5-11 10 Off 20 Off 20 Off 63 
> 7 Feb 12-18 10 Off 25 Off 25 Off 70 
> 8 Feb 19-25 10 Off 10 Off 10 Off 100
>
>
> I first rode through downtown Oviedo which like Key West is known for 
> their roaming chickens and had to take a pic.
>
>
> 
>
>
>
> There is a short offroad section which mud and rocks that I hate riding 
> over with my road bike (see pic below). The Sam handled it with no issues. 
> That is a big plus for me.
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>
>
> I averaged 13.2 mph over the ride and was generally pleased with the 
> performance and lack of my back and wrists getting sore when riding my road 
> bike.
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>
> My legs are sore from the ride but that is to be expected. I'm still 
> getting used to the saddle and haven't ridden that distance in some time so 
> I'm a bit saddle sore. Another explanation is that the saddle still isn't 
> broke in yet. One nice thing I was able to do was to change my riding 
> stance to sitting straighter up which altered the pressure on the saddle 
> more on my pubic bones and less on my groin. I don't have that option on my 
> road bike. 
>
>
> So far I'm loving this new bike! I'm having a Nitto R14 rear rack 
> installed on the bike today and looking forward to going out on a group 
> social ride around downtown Winter Park tomorrow with the wife. That should 
> be a lot of fun. 
>
>
> Dan
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] FS: Sam Hillborne 62cm Black and Cream

[scott minor]

price drop to 875 for group members.  Also now listed on ebay.  

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[RBW] WTB/T -For Large Rosco Mixte

[Abcyclehank]

Lucky buyers.  If anything changes your mind between now and delivery I will 
take yours off your hands.  Have 100cm pbh and actually have considered a 
custom mixte because the largest Cheviot and Clementine did not measure up.  
Also anyone looking for large Riv classics 64-68cm might be able to get me to 
part with one in my fleet.
I have a 68cm custom, 68cm Atlantis w/ a& s couplers,
 68 Quickbeam, and a 64cm Bombadil.  
Final option is a NOS never built up Betty Foy for a significant other by 
chance.
Ryan Hankinson
West Michigan
(616)928-4226

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Re: [RBW] Re: My Cantis cant get no respect.

[Jon BALER]

Velo orange pass hunter fork is described by VO as a "French-style bend"

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Re: [RBW] A nice morning for a ride

[Ashwath Akirekadu]

Looks like a nice place and nice weather down there Daniel !

Your Sam setup looks fantastic.

My sentiments are with you regarding riding position.  Every time I ride a
bike with aggressive handlebar setup, afterwards I end up wondering what
did I gain .

It is unergonomic (potential damage to c-spine) and feels totally
uncomfortable.  I don't get to fully enjoy the scenic aspect of the scenic
ride.

Good luck for your century!


On Saturday, January 14, 2017, Daniel Betancourt 
wrote:

> Thanks. Yes, the sunshine state shines in the winter :)
>
> On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 5:28:35 PM UTC-5, islaysteve wrote:
>>
>> Nice ride.  You know you're making most of us in the rest of the country
>> envious.  Can't complain too much here, though, just a bit rainy in
>>  Maryland.  Reminds me of the training schedule I followed for my first
>> centuries.  Good luck, Steve
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 2:37:55 PM UTC-5, Daniel Betancourt
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm on my second week of training for a century ride and today I was
>>> supposed to go 35 miles (see training chart below). I normally go around
>>> 10-20 miles per ride and haven't biked past 25 miles since September so I
>>> was looking forward to both going longer distances and seeing how the bike
>>> rode and how I felt afterward.
>>>
>>> WEEK DATE RANGE SUN
>>> RECOVERY MON
>>> REST TUE
>>> INTERVAL WED
>>> REST THU
>>> INTERVAL FRI
>>> REST SAT
>>> ENDURANCE
>>> 1 Jan 1-7 10 Off 10 Off 10 Off 28
>>> 2 Jan 8-14 10 Off 10 Off 10 Off 35
>>> 3 Jan 15-21 10 Off 15 Off 15 Off 42
>>> 4 Jan 22-28 10 Off 15 Off 15 Off 49
>>> 5 Jan 29-Feb 4 10 Off 20 Off 20 Off 56
>>> 6 Feb 5-11 10 Off 20 Off 20 Off 63
>>> 7 Feb 12-18 10 Off 25 Off 25 Off 70
>>> 8 Feb 19-25 10 Off 10 Off 10 Off 100
>>>
>>>
>>> I first rode through downtown Oviedo which like Key West is known for
>>> their roaming chickens and had to take a pic.
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> There is a short offroad section which mud and rocks that I hate riding
>>> over with my road bike (see pic below). The Sam handled it with no issues.
>>> That is a big plus for me.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I averaged 13.2 mph over the ride and was generally pleased with the
>>> performance and lack of my back and wrists getting sore when riding my road
>>> bike.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> My legs are sore from the ride but that is to be expected. I'm still
>>> getting used to the saddle and haven't ridden that distance in some time so
>>> I'm a bit saddle sore. Another explanation is that the saddle still isn't
>>> broke in yet. One nice thing I was able to do was to change my riding
>>> stance to sitting straighter up which altered the pressure on the saddle
>>> more on my pubic bones and less on my groin. I don't have that option on my
>>> road bike.
>>>
>>>
>>> So far I'm loving this new bike! I'm having a Nitto R14 rear rack
>>> installed on the bike today and looking forward to going out on a group
>>> social ride around downtown Winter Park tomorrow with the wife. That should
>>> be a lot of fun.
>>>
>>>
>>> Dan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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[RBW] Re: FS - Nitto Noodles, Lugged Stem, B17, CrossRIDE tires.

['Bikie#4646' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Sold, the Nitto Lugged Stem and the Brooks B17. The Noodles and the Conti 
CrossRIDE tires still up for sale.

Thanks all,
Paul Germain

On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 4:03:08 PM UTC-5, Bikie#4646 wrote:
>
> *Hey all, left from a frame sale:*
>
> Nitto Lugged Stem, 26mm x 100mm. Used, in very good condition. Price on 
> Rivendell site: $228. Will sell for $110, shipped, CONUS.
>
> Nitto Noodle bars, 41cm. Used, in very good condition. Rivendell site: 
> $73. Will sell for $40, shipped, CONUS.
>
> Brooks B17, honey saddle. Used with some natural beausage, but in good 
> condition. Price on Rivendell site: $130. Will sell for $75, shipped, CONUS.
>
> Pair of Continental CrossRIDE narrow knobbies, 700 x 42mm (measure 39mm.) 
> New, mounted but not ridden. Price on Rivendell site: $30 ea. 
> ( 
> https://www.rivbike.com/collections/tires/products/continental-cyclocross-cross-ride-700c-x-42-39-folding
>  
> ) Will sell for $30/pair, shipped free, CONUS.
>
> Images on Flickr: 
> *https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/albums/72157660981689094 
> *
>
> Contact me off-list.
>
> Thanks,
> Paul Germain
> Midlothian, Va.
>
>
>

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[RBW] Hunq-ish Romanceur build with Riv Bullmoose bars

[Zach Duval]

Anyone want to play build designer on my dime?

Apologies if this is off topic (non-Riv frame), but I'm looking for advice on 
building up my Crust bikes Romanceur frame into a Hunq-inspired trail bike. 
(This is sort of a poor-ish man's Riv, but with disc brakes).

So far I've only got the bars and a SUNXCD crankset (46-28, after the 28 was 
mistakenly shipped instead of a 30).

What additional drivetrain parts would you spec?

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[RBW] Re: A nice morning for a ride

[Daniel Betancourt]

Thanks. Yes, the sunshine state shines in the winter :)

On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 5:28:35 PM UTC-5, islaysteve wrote:
>
> Nice ride.  You know you're making most of us in the rest of the country 
> envious.  Can't complain too much here, though, just a bit rainy in 
>  Maryland.  Reminds me of the training schedule I followed for my first 
> centuries.  Good luck, Steve
>
>
> On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 2:37:55 PM UTC-5, Daniel Betancourt wrote:
>>
>> I'm on my second week of training for a century ride and today I was 
>> supposed to go 35 miles (see training chart below). I normally go around 
>> 10-20 miles per ride and haven't biked past 25 miles since September so I 
>> was looking forward to both going longer distances and seeing how the bike 
>> rode and how I felt afterward. 
>>
>> WEEK DATE RANGE SUN
>> RECOVERY MON
>> REST TUE
>> INTERVAL WED
>> REST THU
>> INTERVAL FRI
>> REST SAT
>> ENDURANCE 
>> 1 Jan 1-7 10 Off 10 Off 10 Off 28 
>> 2 Jan 8-14 10 Off 10 Off 10 Off 35 
>> 3 Jan 15-21 10 Off 15 Off 15 Off 42 
>> 4 Jan 22-28 10 Off 15 Off 15 Off 49 
>> 5 Jan 29-Feb 4 10 Off 20 Off 20 Off 56 
>> 6 Feb 5-11 10 Off 20 Off 20 Off 63 
>> 7 Feb 12-18 10 Off 25 Off 25 Off 70 
>> 8 Feb 19-25 10 Off 10 Off 10 Off 100
>>
>>
>> I first rode through downtown Oviedo which like Key West is known for 
>> their roaming chickens and had to take a pic.
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> There is a short offroad section which mud and rocks that I hate riding 
>> over with my road bike (see pic below). The Sam handled it with no issues. 
>> That is a big plus for me.
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I averaged 13.2 mph over the ride and was generally pleased with the 
>> performance and lack of my back and wrists getting sore when riding my road 
>> bike.
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> My legs are sore from the ride but that is to be expected. I'm still 
>> getting used to the saddle and haven't ridden that distance in some time so 
>> I'm a bit saddle sore. Another explanation is that the saddle still isn't 
>> broke in yet. One nice thing I was able to do was to change my riding 
>> stance to sitting straighter up which altered the pressure on the saddle 
>> more on my pubic bones and less on my groin. I don't have that option on my 
>> road bike. 
>>
>>
>> So far I'm loving this new bike! I'm having a Nitto R14 rear rack 
>> installed on the bike today and looking forward to going out on a group 
>> social ride around downtown Winter Park tomorrow with the wife. That should 
>> be a lot of fun. 
>>
>>
>> Dan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

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