[RBW] Re: YAHT (Yet Another Handlebar Thread) :D

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

Soma “three speed 2” bars are the greatest mustache ever! And they use 
regular brake levers, so you can toss those road levers in the rubbish. And 
run regular thumb shifters, and flip them over if you want. They’re great. 
https://www.somafab.com/archives/product/moustache-ii-bar
-Kai

On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 9:54:02 AM UTC-5 modemm...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> I have a 2016 Sam, from the batch of completes that year.  I love the 
> bike, and now that I'm riding a lot more (my wife was gifted with being 
> able to ride again after not being able to for years; she has a '16 Sam 
> too), I swapped bars from the stock (Nitto Noodle) to an Albastache.  
>
> The Noodle was only giving me ONE hand position, on the hoods.  The drops 
> didn't feel usable to me and the flats are just too narrow for my comfort.  
> The hoods position was putting a lot of pressure on the meaty part of my 
> hands behind the thumbs.
>
> The 'Stache fixes that and gives me a lot of hand positions - on the 
> "hoods" (but it's a big flat on the 'Stache of course), behind them, and 
> pretty much all along the rest of the bar.  I like it, but...
>
> I do miss the hand position that only comes from having a drop bar on 
> being on those hoods in that orientation; I just need one that will put 
> them in a spot that doesn't put all the weight on the meaty-hand-part 
> behind the thumbs.
>
> I have to admit I also miss how the bike looks with a drop bar. O_o  I 
> dunno, I guess the bike just "wants" that look, to me.
>
> I'd also like to not run the shifters as barend shifters... So I'd go 
> thumbie or some type of (S DON'T TELL GRANT) brifter. 
>
> The other issue I don't have access to the funds that some others around 
> here seem to. :)  These bikes were EXPENSIVE to us ($2,600 a pop and we've 
> added front and rear racks, fenders, etc.)
>
> Ideas, comments, questions, help, etc, etc?  I'm sure lots around here 
> have Sams and have done this handlebar/cockpit rodeo lots of times!
>

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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2023

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

Is that Llambo’s cheviot? It is lovely 🥰 
-Kai

On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 4:53:30 PM UTC-5 James wrote:

> I know that bike!  Well loved and well riden with a great owner
>
> On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 4:15:15 PM UTC-5 Justin Kennedy wrote:
>
>> I think I recognize that bike. Orange Cheviot in Brooklyn? See him around 
>> from time to time. 
>>
>> On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 4:10:33 PM UTC-5 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> [image: IMG_6778_Original.jpeg]Here’s a candidate for beausage of the 
>>> month…
>>> Not for sale as far as I know, so the wrong post, but with all the talk 
>>> of tough lockups, this one stood out to me.
>>> -Kai
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 2:03:50 PM UTC-5 ericf3 wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Who are you going to believe?? Me, or your own eyes??"  -Groucho
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 at 11:01, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yeah it's the seller description that annoys me, I don't appreciate 
>>>>> being told my eyes don't see what I'm clearly seeing. This happens a lot 
>>>>> on 
>>>>> Craigslist. 
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 10:26:10 AM UTC-8 RichS wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> That's some harsh beausage or what the owner calls "regular scuffs". 
>>>>>> YMMV I guess.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>> Rich in ATL
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 11:02 AM Kim H.  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 52cm CLEM "L"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This one has been abused. I have never seen a Rivendell bicycle with 
>>>>>>> so many scratches. YIKES !
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-rivendell-clem-smith-52cm/7686881119.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kim Hetzel.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Friday, November 10, 2023 at 10:40:56 AM UTC-8 Eric Marth wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Good catch, Reeb! Seemed too good to be true, I deleted my post :o) 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 9:54:21 PM UTC-5 Ryan Ray wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Here is my Bleriot for sale on CL in Seattle or I will pay my LBS 
>>>>>>>>> 150 bucks to box it up right. I bought a bigger Homer instead!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/seattle-61cm-rivendell-bleriot/7683878809.html
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 1:48:24 PM UTC-8 reeb wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> could be a scam. same photos from a chicago seller: 
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/155871116274?hash=item244aa47bf2:g:Gg4AAOSwQglk~fZ4
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 4:41:01 PM UTC-5 
>>>>>>>>>> eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> [image: Screenshot 2023-11-09 at 4.32.02 PM copy.jpg]
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Clem H
>>>>>>>>>>> 52cm
>>>>>>>>>>> $741
>>>>>>>>>>> New Jersey
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.mercari.com/us/item/m80573702381
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Re: [RBW] Upgrade Update: IT GOES TO 11!

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

I made it out there once and they were closed due to a bike tour. Certainly 
a good sign
I’ve only heard good things
-Kai

On Wednesday, November 29, 2023 at 2:13:03 AM UTC-5 joshm...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> I'm not familiar with nomad! I'll tell em you sent me! 
>
>
> Josh in NYC 
>
> On Mon, Nov 27, 2023, 3:26 PM Caroline Golum  wrote:
>
>> So for some of you following the convoluted saga of my seized stem, this 
>> epic yarn which began in June has at last concluded with
>>
>> - an un-seized stem, now raised considerably higher
>> - an overhaul tune-up, because why not??
>> - a derailleur/cassette upgrade from 1x10 with a 105 to a 1x11 with an 
>> SLX!
>>
>> Pics here: https://imgur.com/a/IlwRAeI
>>
>> And all courtesy of my dude Damon at Nomad Cycle 
>>  in Queens, NY who I cannot recommend enough. 
>> The man even machines his own parts, he's serious!
>>
>> Had my first few weekends of riding with the new drivetrain/higher stem 
>> set-up and I have to say, it really does feel like a whole new bike. The 
>> biggest difference I noticed was the *ease* - my new rear cassette 
>> is 11-42T, and I really feel like each pedal stroke takes a bigger "bite" 
>> out of the road. I did 25mi. yesterday in that lousy rain, from Central BK 
>> to Bay Ridge to Wburg, and felt like I barely broke a sweat. 
>>
>> This is first time in 13 years I've changed to a MTB derailleur, and now 
>> I'm just kicking myself thinking about how I should've done it sooner. 
>> Ditto for the stem, but chalk it up to my youthful hubris. The modified fit 
>> is not only more comfortable, it feels considerably faster too (even though 
>> we all know it isn't a bike that's fast, it's the rider!). 
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[RBW] Re: FS: Homer headbadge

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

Science fact-
There’s no finer headbadge in the universe than that of thee Rosco Bubbe.
-Kai
On Friday, December 1, 2023 at 5:24:44 PM UTC-5 Paul M wrote:

> With the green twin top tube Rosco, it was that I just didn't like the 
> rocket ship head badge. With the Homer, I like the head badge design but 
> not the dark blue border. However, I did leave the head badge on my Wolbis.
>
> On Friday, 1 December 2023 at 09:39:25 UTC-8 cjus...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> lol.  As soon as I saw this, I knew you had to be the guy who removed the 
>> head badge on what is now my Green Rosco.
>> On Friday, December 1, 2023 at 10:51:52 AM UTC-6 Paul M wrote:
>>
>>> Sold. Thanks!
>>>
>>> On Friday, 1 December 2023 at 05:34:25 UTC-8 Paul M wrote:
>>>
 Just removed this head badge from my new A. Homer Hilsen frameset. I 
 like the look of the plain cream-colored head tube contrasting with the 
 mustard frame. Perfect condition. Amazing what you can do with nylon tire 
 irons. $35/shipped. Email me directly. Thanks, Paul in rainy Eugene Oregon.
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: NYC Riv Ride?

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

Sounds fun!
The Putnam trail North of Van Cortland is pretty, and ridiculously safe 
with decent enough parking for those carventuring in. 
But I f it’s excitement and real city feels everyone’s craving, maybe a 
“every bridge (with bike access) from the Henry Hudson down to the 
Brooklyn” ride? That’s a fun zipper to zip.
-Kai
On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 1:26:15 PM UTC-5 Caroline Golum wrote:

> Seeing the LA Riv Ride post got me thinking! Anyone in the NYC area 
> interested in a weekend ride this month? It's chilly, but we can handle it!

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[RBW] FS: Jumbo Rosco Bubbe Iditabike

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

Multiple Roscos and multiple bills aren’t adding up, and ever since I put 
it together, it hasn’t snowed😩. So here for sale is the bestest bike for 
the larger folks out there. I think it measures 64 at the seat tube, but 
I’ve got a geometry chart somewhere I’ll plug in here asap. 
Pictures
https://photos.app.goo.gl/U18G3VtrhaWFDisWA
Some weird rare parts, some not. Heartily patinated racks with internally 
wired dynamo lights and handmade wooden fenders (pretty lightweight 
actually). Racks and fenders made by me, the front rack can carry anything 
you can get into some panniers, with the rear rack only ever having held 
that light there and the fender steady, as I’m hesitant to load up the back 
of toptubeless frame. 
I’m keeping the grips and the seat, but everything else you see is 
included. Also included is a new Mavic 319 rim for when you’d like to swap 
out the front. Rear wheel came with my Clem and hasn’t seen much of the 
world.
Very rare! Highly collectible?!
$2000.
Thanks for looking, and happy rolling to all
-Kai


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[RBW] Re: FS: Jumbo Rosco Bubbe Iditabike

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

Yeah, I knew putting it up on the block would bring the precipitation… 
still not enough to bring out these Ice Spiker studs. Speaking of which, 
I’ll include some not ridiculously huge spiked tires in the sale, something 
to get it close to its maximum size tire of around 2.4”. The seat height is 
about 73cm for a lowest point possible, probably 88cm in the photos. 
Thanks for all the kind words, and yes, it’s gnarly to the max!
-Kai

On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 8:48:30 AM UTC-5 ian m wrote:

> You may get one snowy ride in with this weekend's Noreaster
>
> On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 5:56:03 PM UTC-5 Josh C wrote:
>
>> Killer Kia, just killer!
>>
>> On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 3:21:06 PM UTC-5 antc...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Flippin' heck, that is one wild build! Any idea on minimum saddle height 
>>> and max tire size?
>>>
>>> On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 12:54:49 PM UTC-6 Teague Scott wrote:
>>>
>>>> Oh man. I’ve been waiting for the day one of these popped up here. 
>>>> Alas, now is just not the time for me. Someone is gonna be a lucky dog!
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 11:02:37 AM UTC-7 steve...@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Nice build Kai - for sure the wildest Rivendell I've seen yet. Just 
>>>>> looking at your pics makes me want to go bike packing. Dare I say gnarly 
>>>>> ?!? 
>>>>>
>>>>> Sooner or later  it's gonna snow and you're gonna miss that two 
>>>>> wheeled pack mule . 
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 9:31:47 AM UTC-5 mcgr...@gmail.com 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Beautiful bike!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 11:35:50 PM UTC-5 Pam Bikes wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nice bike but what size is it?  I only the sizes Riv offers.  I'm on 
>>>>>>> the short end 47.  When was it built?  Was it a protoype for the Betty 
>>>>>>> Foy 
>>>>>>> or Cheviot?
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 7:03:57 PM UTC-5 Mackenzy Albright 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This legitimately might be one of the coolest niche Rivendell 
>>>>>>>> builds I've seen. *slowly leaves room to avoid impulse decisions* 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 3:15:55 PM UTC-8 Bones wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I thought the day would never come! Really cool bike Kai. I'm sure 
>>>>>>>>> you'll find it a new home.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bones
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 5:33:04 PM UTC-5 Kainalu V. 
>>>>>>>>> -Brooklyn NY wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Multiple Roscos and multiple bills aren’t adding up, and ever 
>>>>>>>>>> since I put it together, it hasn’t snowed😩. So here for sale is the 
>>>>>>>>>> bestest bike for the larger folks out there. I think it measures 64 
>>>>>>>>>> at the 
>>>>>>>>>> seat tube, but I’ve got a geometry chart somewhere I’ll plug in here 
>>>>>>>>>> asap. 
>>>>>>>>>> Pictures
>>>>>>>>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/U18G3VtrhaWFDisWA
>>>>>>>>>> Some weird rare parts, some not. Heartily patinated racks with 
>>>>>>>>>> internally wired dynamo lights and handmade wooden fenders (pretty 
>>>>>>>>>> lightweight actually). Racks and fenders made by me, the front rack 
>>>>>>>>>> can 
>>>>>>>>>> carry anything you can get into some panniers, with the rear rack 
>>>>>>>>>> only ever 
>>>>>>>>>> having held that light there and the fender steady, as I’m hesitant 
>>>>>>>>>> to load 
>>>>>>>>>> up the back of toptubeless frame. 
>>>>>>>>>> I’m keeping the grips and the seat, but everything else you see 
>>>>>>>>>> is included. Also included is a new Mavic 319 rim for when you’d 
>>>>>>>>>> like to 
>>>>>>>>>> swap out the front. Rear wheel came with my Clem and hasn’t seen 
>>>>>>>>>> much of 
>>>>>>>>>> the world.
>>>>>>>>>> Very rare! Highly collectible?!
>>>>>>>>>> $2000.
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for looking, and happy rolling to all
>>>>>>>>>> -Kai
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Jumbo Rosco Bubbe Iditabike

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

Thanks GoGo!
And with that, the bike’s sold!
Thanks everyone.
Happy trails to all, and I’ll try to sink the proceeds into bills, but if 
there ends up being a monster Roaduno come April…
-Kai

On Saturday, January 6, 2024 at 2:08:18 PM UTC-5 gogou...@gmail.com wrote:

>
> I rode with Kai a few years ago and got to see this piece of rolling art 
> up close…it is very well done and a great bike .
> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 8:48:30 AM UTC-5 ian m wrote:
>
>> You may get one snowy ride in with this weekend's Noreaster
>>
>> On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 5:56:03 PM UTC-5 Josh C wrote:
>>
>>> Killer Kia, just killer!
>>>
>>> On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 3:21:06 PM UTC-5 antc...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Flippin' heck, that is one wild build! Any idea on minimum saddle 
>>>> height and max tire size?
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 12:54:49 PM UTC-6 Teague Scott wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Oh man. I’ve been waiting for the day one of these popped up here. 
>>>>> Alas, now is just not the time for me. Someone is gonna be a lucky dog!
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 11:02:37 AM UTC-7 steve...@gmail.com 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Nice build Kai - for sure the wildest Rivendell I've seen yet. Just 
>>>>>> looking at your pics makes me want to go bike packing. Dare I say gnarly 
>>>>>> ?!? 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sooner or later  it's gonna snow and you're gonna miss that two 
>>>>>> wheeled pack mule . 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 9:31:47 AM UTC-5 mcgr...@gmail.com 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Beautiful bike!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 11:35:50 PM UTC-5 Pam Bikes wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nice bike but what size is it?  I only the sizes Riv offers.  I'm 
>>>>>>>> on the short end 47.  When was it built?  Was it a protoype for the 
>>>>>>>> Betty 
>>>>>>>> Foy or Cheviot?
>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 7:03:57 PM UTC-5 Mackenzy Albright 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This legitimately might be one of the coolest niche Rivendell 
>>>>>>>>> builds I've seen. *slowly leaves room to avoid impulse decisions* 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 3:15:55 PM UTC-8 Bones wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I thought the day would never come! Really cool bike Kai. I'm 
>>>>>>>>>> sure you'll find it a new home.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Bones
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 5:33:04 PM UTC-5 Kainalu V. 
>>>>>>>>>> -Brooklyn NY wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Multiple Roscos and multiple bills aren’t adding up, and ever 
>>>>>>>>>>> since I put it together, it hasn’t snowed😩. So here for sale is the 
>>>>>>>>>>> bestest bike for the larger folks out there. I think it measures 64 
>>>>>>>>>>> at the 
>>>>>>>>>>> seat tube, but I’ve got a geometry chart somewhere I’ll plug in 
>>>>>>>>>>> here asap. 
>>>>>>>>>>> Pictures
>>>>>>>>>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/U18G3VtrhaWFDisWA
>>>>>>>>>>> Some weird rare parts, some not. Heartily patinated racks with 
>>>>>>>>>>> internally wired dynamo lights and handmade wooden fenders (pretty 
>>>>>>>>>>> lightweight actually). Racks and fenders made by me, the front rack 
>>>>>>>>>>> can 
>>>>>>>>>>> carry anything you can get into some panniers, with the rear rack 
>>>>>>>>>>> only ever 
>>>>>>>>>>> having held that light there and the fender steady, as I’m hesitant 
>>>>>>>>>>> to load 
>>>>>>>>>>> up the back of toptubeless frame. 
>>>>>>>>>>> I’m keeping the grips and the seat, but everything else you see 
>>>>>>>>>>> is included. Also included is a new Mavic 319 rim for when you’d 
>>>>>>>>>>> like to 
>>>>>>>>>>> swap out the front. Rear wheel came with my Clem and hasn’t seen 
>>>>>>>>>>> much of 
>>>>>>>>>>> the world.
>>>>>>>>>>> Very rare! Highly collectible?!
>>>>>>>>>>> $2000.
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for looking, and happy rolling to all
>>>>>>>>>>> -Kai
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>

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[RBW] Re: Brooks 5J9 Leather Bicycle Saddle

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

It’s a B72, the 5J9 numbers are a serial. 🙂very rare, maybe.
-Kai


On Sunday, February 4, 2024 at 10:01:30 AM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> This Brooks 5J9 Leather Bicycle Saddle is currently on eBay. I personally 
> have never seen this model of saddle before. The seller has no background 
> information on it. 
>
> Does anyone herein have any information about this saddle ?
>
> I am not interested in purchasing the saddle. I am just curious about it. 
> It is most definitely for upright riding. 
>
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/156031671538?_trkparms=amclksrc%3DITM%26aid%3D1110006%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20200818143230%26meid%3D89b1b345406340aeb3f6d1efbd7ba20d%26pid%3D101224%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D5%26sd%3D296193610948%26itm%3D156031671538%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D4429486%26algv%3DDefaultOrganicWebV9BertRefreshRanker%26brand%3DBrooks%2BEngland&_trksid=p4429486.c101224.m-1
>
> Thank-you.
> Kim Hetzel. 
>

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[RBW] Re: TA Specialites Cranks at Analog Cycles

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

👆well said. Something in that VT water…
-Kai

On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 2:52:53 PM UTC-5 Glen wrote:

> Do we really need to disparage a longtime supporter and contributor of 
> this list? Peter has been a pioneer of everything this list (& the iBob 
> list) supports. 
>
> On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 11:04:09 AM UTC-7 CMR wrote:
>
>> Consider the $5 supporting good people, and also saving a phone call to 
>> place an order with Peter White v. an easy click for Analog.
>>
>> On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 7:57:55 AM UTC-8 Tim Bantham wrote:
>>
>>> A couple of thoughts on this. 
>>>
>>> 1) These cranks are gorgeous. Seeing them in person will make you lust 
>>> after them
>>> 2) Analog's price includes labor to assemble the crankset
>>> 3) If you buy these why not buy them from great people at one of the 
>>> best shops in the US. 
>>>
>>> On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 8:59:25 AM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>
 I added up the exact parts Analog uses from the PW site and it came out 
 $5 more. Analog does all of the assembly as well which is not a huge deal 
 but even small bits of time are worth something. So Analog has the better 
 deal by a tiny amount.

 I put a NOS TA Zephyr on my Proto-Gallop. Such a beautiful, 
 lightweight,  and well made crank. It was replaced by TA with the Carmina 
 which is equally nice but I preferred the Zephyr. So I recommend that 
 product.



 On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 8:43:43 AM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:

> That's some fuzzy math. ;-) The Analog price seems to be in line with 
> the market. Although, I think the Rivendell Silver cranksets are a good 
> value for an excellent product.
> Doug
>
> On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 8:20:24 AM UTC-5 Andy Beichler wrote:
>
>> When I add the prices you listed for Peter White's site, I get a $10 
>> savings.  Did I misread your post?
>>
>>
>> On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 1:49:36 AM UTC-5 Nick Payne wrote:
>>
>>> When I look at Peter White's website, he sells a pair of Carmina 
>>> crankarms for $243, spider for $92, and a pair of TA chainrings will 
>>> set 
>>> you back another $100 or so. That's around a $250 saving over the 
>>> Analog 
>>> Cycles price...
>>>
>>> Nick Payne
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: RoadeoRosa teaser

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

That’s a good bike, and a great color. The lawyer lips were lost in 
transit? Or that’s a semi custom option?
Here’s a great essay by David Byrne on Pink, if you’re 
interested- https://www.cabinetmagazine.org/issues/11/byrne.php
Enjoy!
-Kai


On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 5:22:34 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Rick at D&D tells me he'll be delivering my Roadeo frame set to Rivendell 
> HQ next week sometime.  He gave me a sneak peek at my color-matched Rene 
> Herse/Honjo fenders.  Here they are:
>
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53519732639/in/album-72177720313109003/
>
> It's getting real
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>

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[RBW] Re: RoadeoRosa teaser

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

Maybe not the best, but pretty good considering that whole psycho-killer 
business..  And the celebrity one is most likely to see on an N-YC bike 
path! 
So yeah, good article, better bike.
-Kai

On Monday, February 12, 2024 at 6:15:06 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Thanks for the article, Kai.  It wasn't the best-written article I have 
> ever read, but there is a lot of fun cultural history content in there.  
>
> Pink for the win!
>
> BL in EC
> On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 5:57:15 PM UTC-8 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
> wrote:
>
>> That’s a good bike, and a great color. The lawyer lips were lost in 
>> transit? Or that’s a semi custom option?
>> Here’s a great essay by David Byrne on Pink, if you’re interested- 
>> https://www.cabinetmagazine.org/issues/11/byrne.php
>> Enjoy!
>> -Kai
>>
>>
>> On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 5:22:34 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Rick at D&D tells me he'll be delivering my Roadeo frame set to 
>>> Rivendell HQ next week sometime.  He gave me a sneak peek at my 
>>> color-matched Rene Herse/Honjo fenders.  Here they are:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53519732639/in/album-72177720313109003/
>>>
>>> It's getting real
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne Pictures Thread

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

The one that got away…
My first Riv, a 64, purchased after convincing myself I didn’t need a 68 
Bombadil for another grand and change. I loved it, I broke it, and was 
devastated. Happily, I got to talk to Richard Schwinn about getting it 
fixed!, which was awesome. And so it came back to me, better than new, but 
I sold it for a song to a nice fella who uses it a lot.(btw, I’d buy it 
back in a heartbeat!🤑)
Link to google album-
https://goo.gl/photos/XnXmgmEch5tkDNBQA 
-Kai

On Wednesday, February 14, 2024 at 1:35:39 PM UTC-5 Paul in Dallas wrote:

> After seeing various Sam owners pictures here and there on various threads 
> I thought I would start a thread dedicated to the versatile Sam's.
>
> Perhaps such a thread already exists?
>
> No worries if it does and perhaps someone could post a link if there is 
> one out there.
>
> Here is my Sam with upright bars.
>
> I'm an older Riv owner , almost 74 and still love riding and working on 
> bikes.
>
> I managed just over 2700 miles in 2023 ( not all on the Sam)
>  and hope to top that in 2024 the Good Lord willing.
>
> My bars are the  Sunlite North Road alloy version.
> ( They also have a steel version)
> I like these North Roads so much I have them on multiple bikes 
>
> I have a very tall stem column , (forget the brand)
> and a thread less stem, Origin8 I think.
> I need the bars way up for the old back.
> It works well for me and I've done up to 73 miles on it set up this way.
>
> I have a triple crank (need the granny to get up hills).
>  I'm using the more 
> modern Dia Compe thumb shifters, 
> Shimano derailers, 
> Tektro 559 brake calipers, 
> Velocity Dyad rims / Deore hubs wheelset and Soma Supple Vitesse EX tires 
> in a 700x42.
>
> I do recommend these tires as they are supple, seem to roll fast and 
> smooth and are relatively light for a tire this size at 380g's. No flats in 
> guessing 600 or so miles.
>
> The tan saddle is an Origin8 Comfort in about the same width as a B17. 
> It works well for me. I like the look and it's only about $40.
>
> I like working on bikes and built my Sam up myself.
>
> Safe riding to all.
>
> Paul in Dallas, TX area
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] 99% invisible’s “Safety Bike” episode

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

https://99percentinvisible.org/episode/the-safety-bicycle/

A great episode from the greatest podcast, covering engineering and social 
changes. It’s very good.
-Kai

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[RBW] Re: Zero-rise Albatross Bar?

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

Soma Three Speed bar #2 is fantastic, and while not flat, it’s pretty low 
profile.
https://www.somafab.com/archives/product/moustache-ii-bar
-Kai

On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 1:45:41 PM UTC-4 Kieran J wrote:

> I'm looking for a handlebar that's very much like the Alba bars but 
> flat/no rise. Essentially an Alba-size porteur. 
>
> Anyone have any suggestions? The Choco bars are close but not quite flat. 
>
> KJ
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

https://www.rivbike.com/products/pletscher-kickstand-hardware?variant=23336090241
This is the chainstay sandwicher that Rivendell sells, it takes pressure 
off the welds and puts it on the chainstays themselves. The only bad thing 
is that the over tightening of these will squish tubes, but that can be 
avoided by not over tightening. 
I don’t use a kickstand, but if I did, I’d use one of these plates…
And for the record, beater bikes are bunk, use the good one.
-Kai

On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 11:37:19 PM UTC-4 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Jay,
> Today, I just installed a double-legged kickstand on my Clem "L".  If I do 
> not carry a heavy loads on the back end of my bike, like you did, I should 
> be fine ?...regarding possible damage of separating the kickstand frame 
> plate. 
>
> Thank-you,
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA. 
>
> On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 6:39:40 PM UTC-7 Jay Lonner wrote:
>
>> No damage that I could detect. The kickstand plate isn’t integral to the 
>> frame, it’s just tacked on with some not-very-strong welds. I’m fairly 
>> certain it could be removed with only superficial damage to the paint, but 
>> then I’d have nothing to attach a fender to. 
>>
>> Jay Lonner
>> Bellingham, WA
>>
>> Sent from my Atari 400
>>
>> On Nov 5, 2022, at 6:13 PM, Piaw Na  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> No damage to the frame? Or did you have to get it repaired?
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 5, 2022 at 6:08 PM Jay Lonner  wrote:
>>
>> I don’t have a picture, just imagine the weld giving way and the plate 
>>> separating from the seat stays. I was using a double-legged kickstand at 
>>> the time and carrying a fair amount of cargo (see attached), and evidently 
>>> the seesawing action was enough to pry things loose. It bummed me out for 
>>> maybe half a day, but it’s been fine ever since, now I just use the 
>>> kickstand plate as a fender attachment point.
>>>
>>> Jay Lonner
>>> Bellingham, WA
>>>
>>> Sent from my Atari 400
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>
>>>
>>> On Nov 5, 2022, at 5:54 PM, Piaw Na  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> What does a peeling mounting plate look like? Anyone have pictures? Not 
>>> that I have kickstands on any of my bikes --- the one on the triplet got 
>>> taken off ages ago... Just curious.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 5, 2022 at 5:49 PM Richard Rose  wrote:
>>>
 When I was talking to Will about getting a double legged kickstand he 
 warned me about the “peeling” mounting plate on the Clems. But, he thought 
 I would be ok they had beefed them up. So far so good.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Nov 5, 2022, at 7:44 PM, Jay Lonner  wrote:

 
 My Hunq is a daily driver and has the dings and scratches to show for 
 it. Probably the worst one is that the kickstand plate is pried partially 
 loose — no big deal, I just took the kickstand off and used the mounting 
 hardware to snug things back up. Worst case scenario for me is that 
 someday 
 I treat myself to a new paint job and maybe some frame modifications to go 
 along with it. 

 Jay Lonner
 Bellingham, WA

 Sent from my Atari 400

 On Nov 5, 2022, at 4:28 PM, George Schick  wrote:

 I haven't read Grant's Blahg on this matter (the ancient OS on my 
 computer is so out of date that I can't load certain websites), but what 
 he 
 has to say does not surprise me.  He's always been all about what he calls 
 "beausage," a term he coined to mean "beauty through usage," or IOW don't 
 sweat all of the nicks and scratches, "just ride" your bike and be happy.  
 The good news though is that there is a happy middle ground between the 
 complete over-the-top utility use of a bike (like Pam's), ignoring any 
 wear 
 and tear versus a finicky protectiveness, hovering over the bike at all 
 times and worrying about theft, damage, etc.  And in my way of thinking 
 that means "just ride" it for all it's worth, but don't just throw it in 
 the corner until the next ride, but take good care of it.  Another way of 
 saying that might be, "... take good care of it and it will take good care 
 of you."
 This is no different than what one might do having just bought a nice 
 new automobile and drives it everywhere, but also maintains it, washes and 
 waxes it regularly, and is careful where they park it.

 On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 6:14:45 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I love this topic! I had my custom designed to answer the question, 
> "What if I had all the qualities I love about Rivendells in a frame made 
> exactly for my size, weight and riding preferences?", and at first I was 
> super precious about it. Later I realized the whole point was to have a 
> perfect bike I could ride every day for everything and that's what I'm 
> doing.
>
> Of course I'm still absurdly touchy about scratching all that 
> beautiful Joe Bell paint but I don't let it stop me, I lock it up at

[RBW] Re: Kickstand plates, what's up with that?

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

https://www.rivbike.com/products/pletscher-kickstand-hardware?variant=23336090241
Save the plate! Add some weight!
-Kai

On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 1:12:04 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I thought I'd bring this over here instead of continuing to hammer Leah's 
> 'Using Your Rivendell' thread. 
>
> Do we have any reports of plates separating from the stays from a 
> single-leg kickstand, or are they all double-leggers? My experience with 
> both is this: 
>
> I used a double-legger on a Clem and could really load that bike up, I'm 
> familiar with that rocking sensation of all the weight torquing on the 
> stand. On my custom I use a single leg (the stock one that came on Clem 
> completes a few years ago) and it's not very strong. It supports the bike 
> fine and I can put a small shopping load in the bags, but as soon as I 
> start to overdo it I can feel the bike getting wobbly like the stand wants 
> to give out on me. My guess in this scenario is the single-legger is 
> warning me before the plate gets too stressed, whilst the double will let 
> you load all day until the plate gives up. 
>
> Whaddyathink? 
>
> Joe Bernard 
>

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[RBW] Re: ISO/Recommendation: help me select a 9-speed triple front derailleur

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

I don't know if there's a front derailleur to fix the clearance issue, but 
looking at your photo from above, it looks like you need some more 
clearance between your big ring and your chainstay. 
A wider bottom bracket would fix everything, I think?
-Kai

On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 2:34:16 AM UTC-5 phoen...@gmail.com wrote:

> Link to photos 
>
> On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 11:29:37 PM UTC-8 Todd G wrote:
>
>> Link to images: https://photos.app.goo.gl/ft4S7XXqfUA9bcX
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Rear Dynamo wiring pics / examples? non-fender

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

Here’s a rear racklette I made, all of three inches of internal wiring…
https://photos.app.goo.gl/9KBpwpEUiL4XDGyVA
Fun.
-Kai

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[RBW] Re: What dual short/long pull brake levers are out there?

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

I love my Avid speed dials, and they're inexpensive.
https://www.sram.com/en/sram/models/bl-sd-7-a1
-Kai

On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 5:42:43 PM UTC-5 esoter...@gmail.com wrote:

> Howdy all,
>
> I'm in need of a matching pair of brake levers that are interchangeable 
> between short pull and long pull. Because of a front rack non-compatibility 
> issue with my current canti brakes, I'll have to use a v-brake in front, 
> but I'd to keep the canti brake in the rear.
>
> I'm aware of the Shimano BLR780 which Riv sells, but ideally I'd like 
> something with a longer lever body. Does anyone know of any other levers, 
> by Shimano or any other brand, that has the criteria that I'm looking for? 
> Thanks,
>
> ~Mark
> Raleigh, NC
>

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[RBW] FS- Large Hubbuhhubbuh tandem, $1800.

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

Hey folks, 
Economics and non-use force sale of a would be beloved bicycle.
I rode it solo a bit, less than 30 miles, and did a couple very short 
jaunts with a kiddo.
It’s fairly swank, with a beautiful and expensive Velocity wheel set with a 
SON dyno hub.
I had big plans, but they relied too heavily upon the hope that others in 
the family would fall in love with the thing. 
I put clear helicopter tape on the top tube out back to facilitate feet 
upon it while legs were growing, and routed the brake cable away from that 
same section of top tube. Works like a charm. 
Never got as far as hooking up a light or connecting the front shifter, but 
I’ll include both a light and a front shifter in the sale. 
Hoping for a local sale, can deliver in and around New York and the 
surrounding areas, and I’m happy to $hip it.
Photos- https://photos.app.goo.gl/tex6dqhe3pXZN83a7
And I’ll be keeping my captain saddle

Thanks much
-Kai

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Re: [RBW] FS- Large Hubbuhhubbuh tandem, $1800.

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

I’ve got a tiny add on crankset in a box somewhere as well, picked it up 
with intentions of installing, but never wrapped my head around it/got it 
done. I should dig it up and roll it out with the bike, which I expect will 
be sold tomorrow morning.
-Kai

On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 5:54:05 PM UTC-5 campyo...@me.com wrote:

> Might be worth mentioning that I have a child stoker kit that adds a 
> kid-accessible crankset to a standard tandem. If anybody needs more info, 
> email me directly. It’s been gathering dust since my kids were 4 feet tall, 
> which has been a while.
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com
> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
>
> On Nov 30, 2022, at 1:50 PM, James M  wrote:
>
> Ayayayay.  Going to talk to the family about this.  If nothing else, your 
> post prompted me to finally put up my own FS post for the Long Haul Trucker 
> that's been collecting dust in the basement.  
>
> Got an estimate on stoker size range?  My youngest is 4' 10", my wife is 
> 5' 10".
>
> James
>
> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 10:54:46 AM UTC-5 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn 
> NY wrote:
>
>> Hey folks, 
>> Economics and non-use force sale of a would be beloved bicycle.
>> I rode it solo a bit, less than 30 miles, and did a couple very short 
>> jaunts with a kiddo.
>> It’s fairly swank, with a beautiful and expensive Velocity wheel set with 
>> a SON dyno hub.
>> I had big plans, but they relied too heavily upon the hope that others in 
>> the family would fall in love with the thing. 
>> I put clear helicopter tape on the top tube out back to facilitate feet 
>> upon it while legs were growing, and routed the brake cable away from that 
>> same section of top tube. Works like a charm. 
>> Never got as far as hooking up a light or connecting the front shifter, 
>> but I’ll include both a light and a front shifter in the sale. 
>> Hoping for a local sale, can deliver in and around New York and the 
>> surrounding areas, and I’m happy to $hip it.
>> Photos- https://photos.app.goo.gl/tex6dqhe3pXZN83a7
>> And I’ll be keeping my captain saddle
>>
>> Thanks much
>> -Kai
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS- Large Hubbuhhubbuh tandem, $1800.

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

Tandem is sold, and will make the long trek to central Brooklyn tomorrow. 
(I’ll get to have one last solo cruise on it 🙃)
Thanks all
-Kai


On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 10:54:46 AM UTC-5 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn 
NY wrote:

> Hey folks, 
> Economics and non-use force sale of a would be beloved bicycle.
> I rode it solo a bit, less than 30 miles, and did a couple very short 
> jaunts with a kiddo.
> It’s fairly swank, with a beautiful and expensive Velocity wheel set with 
> a SON dyno hub.
> I had big plans, but they relied too heavily upon the hope that others in 
> the family would fall in love with the thing. 
> I put clear helicopter tape on the top tube out back to facilitate feet 
> upon it while legs were growing, and routed the brake cable away from that 
> same section of top tube. Works like a charm. 
> Never got as far as hooking up a light or connecting the front shifter, 
> but I’ll include both a light and a front shifter in the sale. 
> Hoping for a local sale, can deliver in and around New York and the 
> surrounding areas, and I’m happy to $hip it.
> Photos- https://photos.app.goo.gl/tex6dqhe3pXZN83a7
> And I’ll be keeping my captain saddle
>
> Thanks much
> -Kai
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Last ride of 2022

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

Three worms was easy, I had to hold the three while I used the pronged 
worming needle to coax the 4th into place. They’re all half length worms as 
I cut them to make the worms last, but if I hadn’t, it would’ve been better 
to have used two worms doubled over into four, then the curves of the worms 
could act as a wedge. The freezing temperatures might’ve been to my 
benefit, otherwise the warm rubber goo factor would’ve likely caused the 
worms to worm out of there pronto. 
So, it was luck. Might need some of those specialty large plugs for the 
next time…
-Kai


On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 10:14:37 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> PS: I later bought some exotic and expensive plugs meant for big holes and 
> now carry both types, but if there's an effective technique for using the 
> little ones in big holes, I'd love to learn it.
>
> On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 8:13 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> Kai: I'm glad the multi-plug method worked. Can you describe the size of 
>> the hole and how you got the first plugs to "stick" in place while you 
>> added the others? 
>>
>> I ask because I once had a piece of cane stalk go through my rear Big One 
>> leaving a little-finger-size hole. I tried to install the standard worms 
>> but each would just fall into the cavity when I inserted the next one, and 
>> I finally ran out. This left me walking 5 miles home in spd shoes. 
>> Fortunately this was in pleasantly cool fall weather, not in the dead of 
>> winter.
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 4, 2023 at 12:15 PM Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY <
>> kaivi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> [image: 606EFEA5-0DAE-43AD-A83D-A881ADA9E73A.jpeg]
>>> That day that the temperature went from 60 to zero in no time, I 
>>> positioned a busted piece of plexiglass to protect my bars from freezing 
>>> up, along with my standard saddle protector.
>>> The night was a cold one, around six fahrenheit, and as I made my way 
>>> towards the Queensboro/Ed Koch bridge I felt a massive mystery thing enter 
>>> and leave my tire. Having forgotten to stick an emergency tube in my fixit 
>>> kit, I was faced with the shame of hiking to the Subway, but certainly not 
>>> before I made a pathetic attempt to fix the finger sized hole in my tire. I 
>>> had to hurry as my both my fingers and my sealant were freezing up (took 
>>> some time to warm up the tip of my backup sealant bottle’s applicator tube 
>>> to get it over my valve,  needing to add some as I’d lost a lot of the 
>>> stuff). Anyhows, 4 tire worms later and I was back in business! Notice the 
>>> freezing sealant, it was a miracle. 
>>> Most worms I’d ever used before was two, hope to never see another hole 
>>> that big on a night so cold…
>>> [image: C0E7C619-2F09-48B8-99B6-274BAF87167C.jpeg]
>>>
>>> After the few miles left on the home bound journey-
>>> [image: B7F9CA64-CFF2-45C9-87DF-3B9F32EAB606.jpeg]
>>> Happy New Year everyone!
>>> -Kai
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[RBW] Re: Trade: BoscoMoose Bars for ChocoMoose Bars

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

❤️

On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 2:27:37 PM UTC-6 DeeterDeeter wrote:

> Hello RBW Folks! I'm looking to trade my beloved BoscoMoose bars. Does 
> anyone have a need to raise their rise and let go of their ChocoMoose Bars? 
> Let me know! I've got a Hillborne that is waiting to be rebuilt once the 
> trade is complete! 

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[RBW] Re: Saddle Height

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

Hi Matt, and welcome.
A standard starting height is PBH minus 11. If you’re rocking back and 
forth to keep your feet on the pedals, it’s too high. If it’s not too high, 
maybe it’s too low. Play around.
-Kai

On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 7:46:05 PM UTC-4 Matt wrote:

> Newb here, but long time Rivendell lurker. Chatted to Will today about a 
> Platypus and he mentioned saddle height. My BPH is 83cm (self measured - 
> pretty sure it was to bone but maybe another cm?). Currently riding an 
> ebike, which feels like driving an automatic only worse, so I'm not sure 
> the saddle height is a good indication of what's ideal with a real bicycle. 
> Any thoughts on measuring or extrapolating from PBH? 
>
> btw looking for 55/60cm Platypus, but may well wait for the next stock. 
>
> Lovely group, this. Thanks for the edification.
>

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[RBW] Re: Best mitten design for very cold weather

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

I believe the Craft brand lobster/trigger mitts to be rubbish. They don’t 
let your fingers touch, wasting valuable insulation in between what could 
otherwise be a cozy skin to skin situation. I love my relatively 
inexpensive Toko brand cross-country ski gloves, they allow my fingers to 
cuddle in comfort and perform their bike duties in single digit temps.
I’ve got three pairs of xxl, which will hopefully buy me a decade or so of 
winter bliss…
-Kai

On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 2:49:14 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Thanks, all. First, should have specified: No bar mitts or Pogies as I 
> need something that attaches to the hands and can be used on several bikes 
> with drop bars.
>
> From extensive experimenting I'm now convinced that for the teens mittens 
> are best, especially as its easiest to get wool undergloves into them than 
> into 2-finger, 3-finger, or 5-finger gloves. (Peeve: the PIs I bought in 
> 2022 or 2021 have a loose flannelly lining that grabs the material of the 
> wool under gloves you are trying to insert, causing much cussing and 
> gnashing of teeth. The earlier ones, from a year or so earlier had a less 
> grabby lining and I wish I'd kept them, but I thought at the time they were 
> too big.)
>
> The question then is, what mittens let you brake safely and shift 
> precisely?
>
> The Garbage Choppers look very promising, and you say that you have no 
> problems with dt shifters or mtb trigger shifters. That's encouraging. The 
> Outdoor Research nylon cover + boiled wool mitten was exquisitely warm but 
> made it hard to brake, let alone shift -- the mitts were stiff and 
> slippery. But the GCs are made from leather, so presumably much more 
> flexible and more grippy. I have to shift bar end shifters in friction and 
> a Sturmey Archer trigger mounted upside-down on the bottom far end of the 
> right drop bar hook.
>
> Garth: The Kincos look like good value but I'm more skeptical about the 
> warmth of 5-finger gloves compared to mittens. Do you find something like 
> this warm into the teens? Without nitrile undergloves? (I ain't gonna add 
> hassle to my already hasselous winter dressing with tight-fitting rubber 
> gloves!) The prices are certainly good.
>
> I take it this would be the item to get? 
> https://www.amazon.com/Kinco-Lined-Grain-Pigskin-Glove/dp/B01AT2XXX4?th=1
>
> Will: thanks for the Craft link. The price is good, but I think I'll look 
> first for mittens that are less cumbersome than the OR set I had. But link 
> noted for future reference.
>
> Patrick Moore, who will probably have a late-ish model pair of PI lobsters 
> for sale before too long.
>
> On Thu, Sep 28, 2023 at 2:15 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> The fall style thread raises a question about keeping your hands warm in 
>> very cold temperatures (for me, very cold means in the teens F). My fingers 
>> are very sensitive to the cold. I've bought 2 or 3 pairs of PI Lobster 
>> gloves but I've been disappointed in the fit and the warmth. 
>>
>> I've used Outdoor Research heavy nylon mitten sheaths with thick boiled 
>> wool mittens underneath, and those were very warm indeed, but very awkward 
>> to ride in, even on a fixed gear where you have to handle only the brake 
>> levers.
>>
>> Varusteleka currently has a number of mil surplus mittens with separate 
>> thumb, separate thumb and trigger finger, and separate thumb and first 2 
>> fingers. The whole point of mittens is to bundle the fingers together in 
>> one compartment for mutual warmth, so each added finger compartment 
>> sacrifices warmth.
>>
>> Does anyone have thoughts on a glove or a mitten or a system that gives 
>> the best mix of warmth and dexterity? And perhaps some particular gloves or 
>> mittens that fit the bill?
>>
>> Right now, I've got hugely oversized 5-finger gloves under which I can 
>> wear wool knit gloves, under which in turn I can wear silk liners, but this 
>> sort of layer system is cumbersome to put on and take off.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> -- 
>>
>> -
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>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
>> *With words that made them known.*
>>
>
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[RBW] Re: Nutmeg Nor'Easter 2023

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

Some day…
Have fun!
-Kai

On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 4:07:20 PM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:

> Hi Patch! see ya there ;-)
>
> On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 3:14:56 PM UTC-4 Patch T wrote:
>
>> MEEE - but you knew that :)
>>
>> Patch in Brooklyn
>>
>> On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 10:16:37 AM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:
>>
>>> Curious if anyone else from the RBW Owners Bunch will be there this 
>>> year. If so, would love to say hello! I'll be on my mermaid Platy.
>>>
>>> Cheers-
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Bike Makeover Thread

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

Thanks Josh!
I’ve got a Rambouillet I like to commute on but I’ve been riding the Clem 
exclusively since I busted my arm skateboarding. The Ram’s set up more 
forward/aggressive, and is less easily shifted into a more upright 
position. Fortunately I get to park my bikes in the back lot of my work, so 
I rest easy through the day. When I need to lock up in the city, I use a 
nice U-lock with a cable that I run through both wheels, seat, and 
handlebars (when I have the bullmooses). The one advantage of riding huge 
bikes is they’re less of a target for thieves, but still, I lock to the 
gills. New museum construction will be pushing me out of my backlot soon, 
so I’ll be locking up every day. The plans call for a small bike parking 
room indoors once complete (2? 3? 4 years?). Once I end up parking inside, 
I’ll worry a very slight bit about condensation. My bikes live in a cold or 
hot garage depending on the weather, so I’m never rolling my warm ferrous 
bicycle into a freezing storm, or worse, my frozen bicycle into a hot 
parking room, a situation I’ll surely be facing. I’ve demanded that they 
put in environmental controls to match the weather outside, but they know 
I’m mostly joking 😭…
-Kai

On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 9:37:36 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:

> Kai, 
>
> Love that clem. Do you commute on that regularly and if so what is your 
> lock-up situation? It looks like it's accumulated some real-world working 
> miles, and I love it. I'm currently commuting on a Rohloff Surly but was 
> thinking about switching over to a clem for that purpose. I lock in an open 
> air parking garage that is tucked out of the way, but that can still be 
> accessed by anyone who happens by, making it not the most secure parking 
> place. I may start up a Riv commuter thread on here to see folks commuters 
> and hear about their parking situations. I'd be interested to see how many 
> of us on here use their Rivs as daily transportation and see pics of those 
> rigs. 
>
> On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 8:17:26 AM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:
>
>> Ryan,
>>
>> I love the white grips with your mustard colored Clem.  I once had a 
>> mustard Appaloosa and was never crazy about its color. However, your Clem 
>> has made me change my mind about the color and how the accessories can 
>> really change the look— your Clem is like a well thought out and put 
>> together outfit. 
>>
>> I recently installed light tan ESI grips on my Homer to hopefully match 
>> my head tube, although it turns out that the head tube is more yellowy-tan. 
>> It’s close enough for me although I might go for the aqua color next time 
>> as it’s a fairly close match to my bike frame. 
>>
>> I have the same Ergon white grips as Leah on my mermaid Platy. They were 
>> hard to find and I’m not sure if they’re made any longer. I LOVE her new 
>> grips but I think they might look too heavy on my Platy, which has a more 
>>  lightness vibe. 
>>
>> Roberta 
>> Philadelphia 
>>
>> On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 8:59:34 PM UTC-4 Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:
>>
>>> Two Big Bullmoosed Clems, too! 
>>>
>>> I honestly kind of miss my Ergon style grips on the bullmoose though 
>>> (after those I had were donated to another build.)  I eventually do plan to 
>>> swap my round silicone foam grips at some point but not just yet.  Well 
>>> done with the harlequin wrap and I like the orange fenders too.  I haven’t 
>>> had a fendered bike since moving on from a too small Sports 3-speed.  If I 
>>> do add fenders anywhere it’ll either be on the Clem if I move to a more 
>>> slick tire or my replacement Raleigh that ended up a single speed (if I 
>>> could fit 45mm fenders over the 32mm tires under the long reach calipers).  
>>> I’d still like to build an alternate 700c 3-speed wheel with my AW hub 
>>> collecting dust on the shelf for that Raleigh but just haven’t made it a 
>>> priority yet.
>>>
>>> Looking forward to seeing your new rear rack creation!
>>>
>>> On Thursday, October 19, 2023, Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY <
>>> kaivi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> [image: IMG_7125_Original.jpeg]
>>>> Big Clems in New Jersey!! 
>>>> I need to rewrap my left grip, but you can’t see it in this photo taken 
>>>> earlier today during one of my rare commutes out to Jersey. Working on a 
>>>> new rear rack for this, but it’s moving slow. Rack makeover soon though…
>>>> -Kai
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 2:50:33 PM UTC-4 RBW Owners Bunch 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>&g

[RBW] Re: Handling (pavement cornering) of Schwalbe G One Speed 622X60 vs RH Antelope Hill (el) vs Schwalbe Big One (el)

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

I bought four Big Ones at $19 a piece, Patrick bought the rest. They’re 
very thin. The new tubeless ready G ones are way more stable at lower 
pressures, and still relatively inexpensive 😀. No bigger than 55 for me 
lately.
-Kai

On Thursday, February 22, 2024 at 7:54:01 PM UTC-5 Will Boericke wrote:

> Patrick,
>
> As far as I can tell, you are the world expert on the Big One.  I've never 
> heard of anyone else riding them, and before you talked about them, I 
> didn't know they existed.  I'd be interested to see who else is in the Big 
> One support group.
>
> Wil near Boston, with only Small Ones
>
> On Thursday, February 22, 2024 at 3:43:17 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Asking here as well as on boblist.
>>
>> I may resolve the fender/knobs/sand float dilemma by eliminating the knob 
>> variable and get max sand float under fenders at the expense of cornering 
>> security with 60 mm slicks.
>>
>> The Big Ones are notorious for "wallow" in turns; this seems to be an 
>> inseparable quality rather than the result of improper pressure. They're 
>> delightful tires otherwise (and the "wallow" is not horrible, just 
>> noticeable).
>>
>> Query to those who have ridden 1 or some or all: How do the AH and the GO 
>> corner on pavement in comparison to the BO?
>>
>> I'm almost tempted by the Big Apple but it's twice the weight of some of 
>> these others. (OTOH I wouldn't need sealant!)
>>
>> In other news, ordered up a pair of 62 2X "Silver" Velocity Blunt SS's 
>> for the second, sand-tire wheelset for the Matthews "road bike for dirt." 
>> $176 each! But they're wonderful rims: very, very light and apparently very 
>> strong, and at 27 mm IW perfect for 60s as well as the 50 mm Somas on the 
>> existing wheelset.
>>
>> Query: ISO/WTT/WTB: 11 sp XT rear 6-bolt hub, 32 hole, black, QR axle; 
>> 14-25 or close to this 10 sp Shimano-type cassette.
>>
>> Also might want a *used* black SP PD 8 6-bolt, QR axle hub, but would 
>> have to be both in good condition and significantly discounted over new, 
>> otherwise would want warranty protection.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
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[RBW] Re: fs 54.5 atlantis complete w lots of extras

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

Nice bike, good price. At first I was confused by what I saw at the front 
brake area, but after some figuring I’m really liking what King Kog did 
with that floating  
bit of housing next to the front bag. Smart slidey! 
If only it were a 68…
Good luck with the sale
-Kai

On Thursday, February 22, 2024 at 1:15:11 PM UTC-5 chasenl...@gmail.com 
wrote:

>
> https://newyork.craigslist.org/brk/bik/d/brooklyn-rivendell-atlantis-545/7720282826.html
>
> riv ppl in nyc i am selling my bike cause i made it too perfect and i 
> never wanna ride it.
> local only pls.
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[RBW] Re: Building a Quickbeam and wondering...

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

I rode my quickbeam with a 69-70 gear inch drivetrain. I had a 16/19 white 
industries freewheel but never ran it on the 19…
-Kai

On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 4:06:32 PM UTC-5 David wrote:

> Very creative. Personally looking for simpler, streamlined inspiration, 
> but these are nice options you're running.
>
> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 12:26:11 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> I run a Riv Silver triple with 40/37/34 chainrings on my Quickbeam.  I 
>> modified a rare and unusual Shimano cassette hub to fit 120 OLD.  On that I 
>> run three Problem Solvers cassette cogs at 16/19/22.  As a result I have 
>> three single speed "gears" with three chain positions, all with the same 
>> wheel position
>>
>> 34x22 is my climbing gear
>> 37x19 is my mellow cruising town gear
>> 40x16 is my high gear
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 12:21:08 PM UTC-8 David wrote:
>>
>>> What are your drivetrain specs? Cranks, chainrings, etc.  Simpleones, 
>>> too, if that's what you're riding. It appears Riv doesn't offer the classic 
>>> single speed crankset anymore.
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Question about rear brake cable housing routing with low friction on a Clem

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

Speaking of extraneous gizmos, how about losing the cantilever brakes and 
going with a V-brake? Cantilevers are cool, and they clear fenders better, 
and they’re fun to problem solve, but linear pull brakes are so very much 
great and easy.
-Kai

On Monday, April 1, 2024 at 7:56:44 AM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> Personally, I’d leave as-is. Aesthetically, I wouldn’t want another 
> unsightly, unnecessary piece of hardware detracting from that beautiful 
> seat lug and already perfectly functional binder bolt. But then again, some 
> people enjoy adding extraneous gizmos to their bikes.
>
> Brian
> Lexington KY

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Re: [RBW] Re: Question about rear brake cable housing routing with low friction on a Clem

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

..and sweet fenders they are, can’t blame you for sticking with what works. 
What’s the science behind brake noodles anyways? 
I know I need them to route to my V-brakes, otherwise I’d have a mess of 
housing sticking out the side of my bike, and I’ve used them to route 
friction shifters out of the way of front bags with much success, but I 
always thought there was a price to pay with slightly more friction in the 
system,  not less. 
Obviously if it works, great, but if it works, why are we all not using 
noodles to route cables any old way we’d like? 
Thoughts? Proofs? Anybody using a noodle in an indexed shifting system have 
a story?
Thanks
-Kai


On Monday, April 1, 2024 at 12:59:40 PM UTC-4 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> @Kai -
>
> I thank-you for the suggestion of using V-brakes. I am staying with my Dia 
> Compe 980 cantilever brakes that clear without question my Honjo 65 Flat 
> fenders. I have no problems with adjusting them.
>
> Kim Hetzel. 
>
> On Mon, Apr 1, 2024, 7:14 AM Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY  
> wrote:
>
>> Speaking of extraneous gizmos, how about losing the cantilever brakes and 
>> going with a V-brake? Cantilevers are cool, and they clear fenders better, 
>> and they’re fun to problem solve, but linear pull brakes are so very much 
>> great and easy.
>> -Kai
>>
>> On Monday, April 1, 2024 at 7:56:44 AM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Personally, I’d leave as-is. Aesthetically, I wouldn’t want another 
>>> unsightly, unnecessary piece of hardware detracting from that beautiful 
>>> seat lug and already perfectly functional binder bolt. But then again, some 
>>> people enjoy adding extraneous gizmos to their bikes. 
>>>
>>> Brian 
>>> Lexington KY
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[RBW] Re: FS: 58cm Ram Soon to Be For Sale by My Neighbor

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

Nice one!
Are those bars wooden?
-Kai

On Saturday, April 13, 2024 at 9:52:23 AM UTC-4 Steven Seelig wrote:

> I've got nothing more than a single photo.  I just bought from this couple 
> a 56cm Ram and now the husband is selling his 58cm.  Nice folks who are 
> avid cyclists thinning the herd.
>
> My guess is that the components are stock from when the bike was purchased 
> from Rivendell.  That is how my bike is set up.  Awaiting more photos and 
> an asking price.
>
> All parties live in the District of Columbia.  Lemme know if you are 
> interested.[image: Resized_Resized_20240412_155400.jpeg]
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[RBW] Re: Rosco MMM build photos

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

Wowzers!  That is beautiful, but it’s no MMM…
WMM or JMM (Will or Jumbo) maybe, but nowheres close to Medium 🙂
Happy shredding!
-Kai
On Monday, April 15, 2024 at 8:28:30 PM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:

> Couple more:
>
> [image: IMG_6627.jpg]
>
> [image: IMG_6629.jpg]
>
> [image: IMG_6630.jpg]
> On Monday, April 15, 2024 at 8:27:06 PM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>
>> Howdy,
>>
>> Wanted to share some pics of my (sorta) recently new to me rosco as I 
>> settle in and keep personalizing it. 
>>
>> I bought this bike from list member Kai back in February I think. I 
>> really wasn't trying to expand the stable at that moment, but the riv mixte 
>> propaganda had been working on my subconscious and Kai was selling this 
>> thing a 15 minute ride away, and well, in the end I couldn't help myself. 
>>
>> This past week or so I've been diving into a serious bicycle spring 
>> cleaning strip down /regrease/relube/ wipe off all the winter city scuzz 
>> /etc.. from my bikes and its been an opportunity to try some new things 
>> with the rosco, and I'm really liking how its turning out. Just using what 
>> I have around, and stealing some parts from my appaloosa.
>>
>> Couple of my favorite things about this build so far: Got the used maxxis 
>> tires at the charlotte bike coop for $10 each to see how big o' meats this 
>> frame can take. Getting a little close to those v brake cables.. I'll 
>> probably drop back down to 2.25s for the day to day, but these big ones are 
>> fun. And I've had this nos xtr FD sitting in a drawer for a couple years 
>> because I bought it at a swap before I knew to think about the clamp size 
>> and its a 34.9. This bike has a 31.8 tube, and I was able to shim the 
>> derailer by cutting a plastic 35mm film canister. Very happy thats working. 
>>
>> Hope y'all enjoy taking a gander at the bike:
>>
>> Build notes:
>> 60cm Tosco's
>> old ass oury grips
>> avid 1.9 Speed dial levers
>> riv silver 2 thumbies 
>> nitto 11cm talux
>> stock fsa headset
>> stock kalloy seatpost
>> imperial brooks (gooch cutout)
>> Avid 2.0 V brakes w/koolstops 
>> Wheelset: Cliffhangers to SON28 and a Deore
>> 2.4 tire in the back, 2.5 in the front
>> Sugino/white industries triple crankset (22/36/44)
>> mismatchy monarch pedals
>> XTR M9sumthin FD
>> XTR Rapid Rise RD
>> XT 11-34 cassette
>> one of those blingy gold kmc chains
>>
>> [image: IMG_6619.jpg]
>>
>> [image: IMG_6622.jpg]
>>
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rosco MMM build photos

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

Nope! Mmmassive it is!! Glad it’s tasting proper trail dirt with those 
knobbies. And so beautifully blue? I thought it was brown!
-Kai

On Monday, April 15, 2024 at 9:19:52 PM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:

> JK, thanks for the clarification Kai, my tired brain couldn't remember 
> what the third m stood for... loving the bike!
>
> On Monday, April 15, 2024 at 9:15:17 PM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>
>> Massive mountain mixte!
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 21:08 Johnny Alien  wrote:
>>
>>> Love it!!!
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 15, 2024 at 8:59:50 PM UTC-4 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Wowzers!  That is beautiful, but it’s no MMM…
>>>> WMM or JMM (Will or Jumbo) maybe, but nowheres close to Medium 🙂
>>>> Happy shredding!
>>>> -Kai
>>>> On Monday, April 15, 2024 at 8:28:30 PM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Couple more:
>>>>>
>>>>> [image: IMG_6627.jpg]
>>>>>
>>>>> [image: IMG_6629.jpg]
>>>>>
>>>>> [image: IMG_6630.jpg]
>>>>> On Monday, April 15, 2024 at 8:27:06 PM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Howdy,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wanted to share some pics of my (sorta) recently new to me rosco as I 
>>>>>> settle in and keep personalizing it. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I bought this bike from list member Kai back in February I think. I 
>>>>>> really wasn't trying to expand the stable at that moment, but the riv 
>>>>>> mixte 
>>>>>> propaganda had been working on my subconscious and Kai was selling this 
>>>>>> thing a 15 minute ride away, and well, in the end I couldn't help 
>>>>>> myself. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This past week or so I've been diving into a serious bicycle spring 
>>>>>> cleaning strip down /regrease/relube/ wipe off all the winter city scuzz 
>>>>>> /etc.. from my bikes and its been an opportunity to try some new things 
>>>>>> with the rosco, and I'm really liking how its turning out. Just using 
>>>>>> what 
>>>>>> I have around, and stealing some parts from my appaloosa.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Couple of my favorite things about this build so far: Got the used 
>>>>>> maxxis tires at the charlotte bike coop for $10 each to see how big o' 
>>>>>> meats this frame can take. Getting a little close to those v brake 
>>>>>> cables.. 
>>>>>> I'll probably drop back down to 2.25s for the day to day, but these big 
>>>>>> ones are fun. And I've had this nos xtr FD sitting in a drawer for a 
>>>>>> couple 
>>>>>> years because I bought it at a swap before I knew to think about the 
>>>>>> clamp 
>>>>>> size and its a 34.9. This bike has a 31.8 tube, and I was able to shim 
>>>>>> the 
>>>>>> derailer by cutting a plastic 35mm film canister. Very happy thats 
>>>>>> working. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hope y'all enjoy taking a gander at the bike:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Build notes:
>>>>>> 60cm Tosco's
>>>>>> old ass oury grips
>>>>>> avid 1.9 Speed dial levers
>>>>>> riv silver 2 thumbies 
>>>>>> nitto 11cm talux
>>>>>> stock fsa headset
>>>>>> stock kalloy seatpost
>>>>>> imperial brooks (gooch cutout)
>>>>>> Avid 2.0 V brakes w/koolstops 
>>>>>> Wheelset: Cliffhangers to SON28 and a Deore
>>>>>> 2.4 tire in the back, 2.5 in the front
>>>>>> Sugino/white industries triple crankset (22/36/44)
>>>>>> mismatchy monarch pedals
>>>>>> XTR M9sumthin FD
>>>>>> XTR Rapid Rise RD
>>>>>> XT 11-34 cassette
>>>>>> one of those blingy gold kmc chains
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [image: IMG_6619.jpg]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [image: IMG_6622.jpg]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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[RBW] Re: Thumb Shifter Advice

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

Because of the cable routing, inside mounted thumbshifters must be friction 
because they need to be reversed, left/right. That said, clicks are pretty 
great, you should run the expensive Shimano/Paul stuff, or the less 
expensive Microshift thumbies. And that said, of my three bikes, two are 
friction and also pretty great, but no inside thumbies for want of the 
indexing option should my friction fail (just kidding, about the last 
failing bit, not that other stuff).
-Kai


On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 11:50:21 AM UTC-4 tal...@gmail.com wrote:

> I'll be building up one of the new Susies (in green) soon and I'm *debating 
> my thumb-shifter options*. Do you have some advice?
>
> I'll be setting up
>
>- 9-speed Shimano RD (RD-M952)
>- Triple Shimano FD (FD-M953) on a Silver Wide-low double
>- Inside-mount thumb shifters on Sim Works (Nitto) Ramble bars
>- Preferably, indexed shifting for the rear
>
> I know of
>
>- *Microshift*. I've got a lot of miles on their 11-speed thumb 
>shifter on my commuter and I get ghost shifts no matter how much I tweak 
>it. I have a lot fewer miles on their 2/3x9 pair on my 90s mountain bike 
>and they haven't given me trouble. 
>- *Paul Thumbie + Shimano SL-BS77*. Tempting, but expensive. Do you 
>have experience with this setup? Can you compare it with Microshift?
>- *Silver2*. Pretty, but not indexed and I'm a scared wimp. Can you 
>convince me friction shifting is the way to go?
>- *Are there other options* (including used or NOS) I should consider?
>
> Thanks in advance, 
> Aaron
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Rambouillet Toyo? with "pointy" lugs

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

I think I speak for most when I demand more photos of your radical 
Rambouillet. Build details 🤔? 😃
Thanks for sharing
-Kai
On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 5:54:10 PM UTC-4 MisterMo wrote:

> *$1400 and willing to ship if buyer pays.*
> I believe this is a size 64cm, but it could be a size 62cm. Here again the 
> serial number may tell those who know how to interpret it. The geometry 
> table is posted here: Cyclofiend: RBW: Frame Geometry Archive Info 
> .
>
>  [image: IMG_3512.jpg]
>
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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Rambouillet Randonneuring Road Bicycle "pointy lugs" Toyo? Waterford?

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

Lots of pictures of the same Ram offered in an adjacent post! For less 
money. Weird?
-Kai

On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 6:28:27 PM UTC-4 Jerry Lynn wrote:

> No mine, and no affiliation...
> $1,6999
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/305557298256?itmmeta=01HXFQAW6P602XRR9J2PG63GAH&hash=item4724a25c50:g:mhsAAOSwQPJmPTYG
> [image: 00ram.jpg]
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[RBW] Re: 60cm Sam Hillborne for a 6"4 kind of guy

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

I’m a 6’8”ish kind of guy, and my old 64 Hillborne was great, but a bit 
small for me. That’d be a fun bike if you can find one, but the odds are 
slim…
Good luck
-Kai

On Wednesday, May 22, 2024 at 3:02:30 AM UTC-4 Dashiell wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> I am thinking about purchasing a 60cm Sam Hillborne frame that has just 
> popped up here in Australia (they are quite rare to come by over here, 
> especially in my size). I was just wanting to know if people think it might 
> be too small for me. I see it's the largest frame size that this run of Sam 
> Hillborne's come in, but I've also seen that Rivendell have made them in 
> 62cm with the double top tube in the past. I have a PBH of 95cm so I'm 
> equiped with some very long legs. I currently ride an old 1991 Dawes Galaxy 
> with 64cm down tube, and even with that i have like 17cm of seat post 
> exposed. Writing this all down now I'm realising its probably going to be 
> way too small for me, but maybe it would work with a looong seat post?
>
> Thanks for your help!
> Dash

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[RBW] Re: Tubeless tire on a non-tubeless rim?

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

You’re all set! Will be a bit tighter than you’re used to when mounting 
them, but they’ll work great with tubes on your Atlas rims.
-Kai

On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 1:08:56 PM UTC-5 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I have a set of tubeless 700c Panaracer tires but I want to mount them on 
> a set of non-tubeless 700c Atlas rims. Yes, I know I’ll need to use tubes!
>
> Will a tubeless Panaracer Gravelking tire work/mount/fit/seat properly on 
> a non-tubeless Atlas rim? 
>
> If I have tube rims, is there a reason why I shouldn't use tubeless tires 
> (with tubes) instead of tube tires?
>
>
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[RBW] Re: FS: 38x24 Silver crankset, Albastache bars, Silver2 shifters + bar-end pods + thumb shift mounts

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

What’s the crank length?
-Kai

On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 3:38:11 PM UTC-5 jdyea...@gmail.com wrote:

> I went down a Rivendell rabbit hole and tried out a bunch of stuff, but 
> I've decided to go a different direction. I've used all of these for just a 
> few rides, so they're basically as close to new as you can get.
>
> 38x24 Silver crankset
> Nitto Albastache bars
> Silver2 shifters x2
> Silver bar-end pods x2
> Silver thumb-shift mounts x2
>
> I'd love to ship all this out to one person if possible. All together, it 
> goes for ~$630 new. How about $500 shipped? Also accepting best offers 
> within reason.
>
> Thanks,
> Josh
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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Riders Interactive Map is Live!

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

Huzzahhh And yes, I live at the slimy bottom of a doubly superfunded 
ultracontaminated waterway! Or close enough to worry at least. 

from Flood zone B/C
-Kai

On Monday, March 13, 2023 at 11:06:19 PM UTC-4 John Rinker wrote:

> And Kai from (40.7149091, -73.9313736) wins the 100th pin award!
>
>
> On Monday, March 13, 2023 at 10:41:21 AM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:
>
>> Cheers to all! It's been fun watching the pins drop and the map fill in 
>> with little bicycle bubbles. 
>>
>> John
>>
>> On Monday, March 13, 2023 at 7:58:01 AM UTC-7 RichS wrote:
>>
>>> John,
>>>
>>> Many thanks for creating the map. Didn't take long for it to be heavily 
>>> populated!
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Rich in ATL
>>>
>>> On Sunday, March 12, 2023 at 8:31:50 PM UTC-4 DavidP wrote:
>>>
 Nicely done, John!

 -Dave

 On Sunday, March 12, 2023 at 6:33:08 PM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> Yes, thank you! This is great. I’m hoping this will open up a whole 
> new level of interaction and adventure among us RBW owners!
>
> On Mar 12, 2023, at 6:04 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
> 
>
> John Rinker: Thank you, fun map!
>
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[RBW] Re: Adjusting Toyo Atlantis geometry

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

Seems a great and worthwhile experiment, I look forward to your follow up. 
-Kai

On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 2:14:47 PM UTC-4 Jay P wrote:

> I do a lot of trail riding + loaded bike picnicking with a 58cm Toyo 
> Atlantis (72.0 degree head tube and seat tube).  
>
>  
>
> And I have noticed those angles slacken a bit on Rivendell production 
> frames over the last 10-15 years
>
>  
>
> I also saw that in addition to the regular 1mm baseplate for the fork 
> crown the Chris King website also lists a thicker 5mm baseplate that they 
> no longer produce, sell, or are willing to manufacture. 
>
>  
>
> At some point I realized a thicker baseplate would slacken the Atlantis 
> head and seat tubes and started to wonder how that would change the nature 
> of the bike.  
>
>
> And figured a thicker baseplate would be fine on my Atlantis as it has 
> ~15mm of extra steerer tube, a very low bottom bracket, and is a little 
> undersized for my 91cm pbh. And as Chris King uses base plates rather than 
> crown races (ie, it does not serve as a bearing race), I figured a custom 
> fabricated piece would likely work fine.
>
>  
>
> So eventually I asked Jim Merz (via the Classic Rendezvous list) to 
> fabricate an 8mm thick baseplate – that is pictured next to the original 
> baseplate (he made it out of 10-2-3 Ti alloy) -- which I believe will 
> slacken the Atlantis angles by ~0.43 degrees. I was aiming for somewhere 
> between too much change and too subtle to notice.  
>
>  
>
> I’ll try the thicker baseplate with no other changes to the bike, and then 
> will swap the current 46cm noodle bars + 10cm dirt drop stem with a 135mm 
> face plate stem + wavie bars + lugged seat post (to experiment with further 
> slackening the effective seat tube angle) to get a still relaxed and 
> upright but more assertive and stretched riding position for trails (and 
> maybe a little better for a wider range of handlebars). 
>
>  
>
> I won’t be able to install until the end of March but thought to share the 
> idea with the group in case this is novel or interesting –  it’s been fun 
> to think through and will be an easy experiment to undo.
>
>
> Jay P.
>
> Marin, CA 
>
>
> [image: IMG_8033.jpg]
>

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[RBW] Re: Your preferred pressure for 60 mm tires for all-round riding?

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

205 and 25 here…
-Kai

On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 2:53:01 AM UTC-4 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

> I’m about 195 lbs., my bike is about 40 lbs., and I run nearly 60mm 
> (57mm). 30 psi is what I’ve settled on for all terrains,  but I’m sure 25 
> psi would fly. I mostly don’t wish to push my luck given my weight. 
>
> On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 9:45:52 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I have been religiously pumping my gossamer 70C X 60 Big Ones to 20 psi 
>> for combined pavement and dirt, thinking that ~20 was necessary to minimize 
>> wallow on paved corners, but on an extended dirt ride today on usually 
>> sandy soil that had been extensively compacted by moisture and then chopped 
>> up by horses and Conservancy District trucks, 20 felt like wood rims on 
>> railroad ties, so I dropped both tires to ~16. That did mitigate the chop 
>> (tho' little really makes horse hoof divots and washboard comfortable 
>> except suspension) and observing carefully during cornering on pavement at 
>> speed I didn't notice as much wallow as I had feared. Me 170 clothed and 
>> shod for cool weather, bike and kit and bags and contents adding another 45 
>> lb or so.
>>
>> So I'm curious: Those of you who use 60 mm tires: what pressure or 
>> pressures, and on what surfaces? And how much do you and kit weigh?
>>
>> Funny: I'd been riding the lightweight fixie gofast with Naches Passes at 
>> 39 mm (skinny rims) and 30-35 psi on the same roads and found that they 
>> were at least slightly smoother on the chop than the BOs at 20. The NPs are 
>> far less gossamer light per unit vol than the Big Ones.
>>
>> -- 
>>
>> ---
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>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>
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[RBW] FS- Rene Herse auto shifter

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

[image: DDCB1B4C-6AEE-47B2-90E5-52E51822AC92.jpeg]
For sale, Rene Herse/Nivex automatic shifter.
Used once, set up tubeless. It’s great, but I’ve pledged to steer clear of 
AI, so this has gotta go.
$6 shipped, check or money order.

Happy Rolling
-Kai

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[RBW] Re: 26.8 seatposts with generous setback

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

I just checked out the Ritchey 2 bolt post and was disappointed to see the 
two bolts are for extra retention, not adjustment. A two bolt seatpost, 
like the S83 or the Thompson, that uses the two bolts to adjust fore and 
aft angle are the only seatposts that should be able to be called 2 bolts. 
So the Ritchey gets a booo. Kalloys are fine posts for a great price, but 1 
bolt is sad for both retention and adjustability…

S83 por vida
-Kai


On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 1:30:06 PM UTC-4 Garth wrote:

> FWIW Leah, The Kalloy post that Riv includes with frames already has 25mm 
> of setback and the model 602 has 24mm. They don't make one with any more 
> than that, and some less. A few mm's plus or minus is hardly worthy of a 
> new post.There's very few posts with more setback than 25mm in any 
> diameter, in 26.8 even less. Seatpost specs is something I took a deep dive 
> in when trying to find suitable 26.8 posts. It isn't pretty. Life is so 
> much easier with 27.2 posts !
>

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[RBW] Re: What do I replace coroplast with in Sackville

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

As folks have said, more free coroplast will be the ideal solution. 
However, if you want to make your coroplast last forever, never to go “all 
bendy and collapsey”, send it around the front and back (or side to side) 
corners, bending it the hard way. To bend “the hard way”, you’ll want to 
score the coroplast before bending it. Use a straightedge and something 
dull to scribe your bend line perpendicular to the corrugations. You don’t 
want to cut the bends, just dent them enough to follow the lines you want. 
If you plan it well, you’ll be able to unfold your new insert inside the 
bag and it’ll lock into the interior dimensions, giving your bag structure 
forever and ever…
Happy bagging!
-Kai
On Monday, April 17, 2023 at 11:06:34 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Mine is all bendy and collapsey in my medium SaddleSack. What are you 
> folks putting in there to replace it? 
>
> Joe Bernard 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Hobson Zingo adjustable lockring wrench for **$7.00**??

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

My Hobson Zingo headset press is an inch too short for my Rivendell bicycle 
frames! And is no longer available from Riv, maybe for this reason?
Certainly an outlier’s problem, but one Julian might share. Still worth it 
even having to swap the threaded rod for a 14”er, as the press plates are 
pretty cool…
-Kai


On Saturday, May 6, 2023 at 6:38:05 PM UTC-4 weste...@gmail.com wrote:

I disagree with Garth, 

I also bought one (to use as a S&S coupler wrench as well as a BB lockring 
wrench) -- like the entire H-Z tool line it is not fancy  (you'll not 
mistake it for something from https://www.abbeybiketools.com/ ), but it is 
decently made, and works well. I's say to me is is worth at least $15 if 
not a couple of dollars more. If you're running a professional vintage bike 
repair shop and use it several times a day you might want something more 
robust, but for the other 99.97657% of us, this will do the trick, and 
I'm very glad Rivendell has made it available. 

Julian Westerhout
Bloomington, IL 

On Saturday, May 6, 2023 at 3:47:58 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:

This reminds of Shawshank Redemption movie where Andy asks Red to get him a 
rock hammer that sells for (at the time) . $7. 

When Red inquires as to how Andy is going to use it, he replies "you'll 
understand when you see the rock hammer". 

With the HZ lockring tool, you'll understand why it's $7 when you see it 
;-) .  

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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2023

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

64cm top tube on that Clem, but not a 64cm frame. Biggies in the H came in 
at 65cm. This one above is probably a 59?
-Kai (who saw the most beautiful red Quickbeam this morning on the 
Queensboro bridge, who’s owner said “you haven’t sold that yet?”, regarding 
my Rosco, to which I replied “It’s the other Rosco I’ve been thinking about 
selling”. But wow, those Roscos are fun fun fun, and measure 64cm and are 
considerably zippier feeling that the Clem 65, which I also rode today. I 
should send one West to the Wasatch Front for yearly shreds, but I 
shouldn’t….)


On Tuesday, June 6, 2023 at 4:18:44 PM UTC-4 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Clem Smith Jr. H
> 64cm
> 2200
> Pleasanton, CA
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/pleasanton-rivendell-clem-smith-jr-64cm/7629580864.html
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[RBW] Re: Let’s say I made my Clem into a “gravel bike”

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

Many photos of many states of Clem H, all gravel 
ready- https://photos.app.goo.gl/uxqm63W2nB5scvmg7
-Kai
On Tuesday, June 6, 2023 at 4:06:54 PM UTC-4 Mackenzy Albright wrote:

> [image: PXL_20230606_164339003.jpg]
>
> This thread needs less opinions and more inpirational photos of Gravel 
> Clems. Just my opinion. :P 
>
> On Tuesday, June 6, 2023 at 12:02:41 PM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I'm not going to provide specific tire recommendations, but I ride 
>> "gravel" and single-track quiet a bit on my Roadini. I still remember that 
>> time in the 1990s when I was riding with Bridgestone-sponsored cyclist Eric 
>> House, and we all showed up in the East Bay proud of ourselves for riding 
>> road bikes on a Grant ride. Grant showed up on a fixie with 35mm tires and 
>> proceeded to outride us all on and off road. 
>>
>> A few principles:
>>
>>- The lighter the rider, the smaller the tire you can get away with. 
>>At 140 pounds, I can ride fire roads with 25mm tires (or even 23, back 
>> when 
>>Michelin 23s were $10/pop!)
>>- Tread or no tread doesn't matter as much as rider skill and speed.
>>- Rider skill cannot be disentangled from bike fit. If the bike 
>>doesn't fit, you will find stuff scary that you can actually ride if the 
>>bike fit. I once accidentally raised my seat too high and discovered that 
>>stuff I could easily ride suddenly became hard!
>>- The longer the ride and the steeper the climb, the more important 
>>weight becomes. I can ride big heavy tires if I'm only going to go 
>> downhill 
>>because a car did most of the work. But if I have to do a lot of climbing 
>>(some of which turns into hiking inevitably if you ride in mountainous 
>>areas), the lighter the bike the better off you are.
>>- You can drop tire pressure far more than most tire pressure 
>>calculators will tell you to. I can run 700x40 tires measuring 38mm at 
>>25psi (the Rene Herse calculator will recommend 33psi) when I'm riding 
>> off 
>>pavement. On the pavement that same pressure will feel inefficient. I go 
>> so 
>>far as to carry a pressure gauge to drop tire pressure at the trail head 
>>and pump up the tires when I transition off a dirt descent onto pavement 
>>for the ride home.
>>- Bigger tires affect handling - one reason I don't ride with as big 
>>a tire as I can get away with is that you lose some agility. Frequently I 
>>find that being able to steer precisely and quickly offsets the inability 
>>to plow through some obstacle head on.
>>
>> What I do notice is that most people don't like to underbike. They will 
>> make comments that I won't be able to do a ride on my 25mm tires and then 
>> be all surprised when I show up and do the ride. But when I'm touring I'm 
>> not going to bring 3 different bikes, so I just push the limits and go 
>> slower and occasionally depend on pulling a spare tire out of my saddle bag 
>> if a tire were to shred during a tour (which can happen even if you're not 
>> riding off pavement).
>>
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[RBW] Re: Leo Roadini, Mustachioed & More

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

Albastache are undeniably great bars, but for my (less) money, Soma 3 speed 
2’s are the greatest mustache on the planet. They’re fairly wide at 54cm, 
and they take “normal” brake levers, which I don’t get scared I’m going to 
catch on some underbrush with. And my thumbies fit anywhere, so I don’t 
have to run 26mm Paul’s on the sleeve, or have a good pile of vintage band 
clampers around…
https://www.somafab.com/archives/product/moustache-ii-bar
Have them on my Rambouillet, currently set in the sloped up way with a 15cm 
stem. 
Happy Rolling
-Kai



On Tuesday, June 6, 2023 at 8:44:26 PM UTC-4 Garth wrote:

> I have a set of Albastache I wanted to try on either my Franklin bike or 
> the Bombadil and I would set them up the same way I have then set up now 
> with bar end brake levers and thumbshifters mounted just around the inside 
> of the curve. If not there then I'd go DT shifters as my Sun Tour 
> thumbshifters are all 22.2 so I'd have to but some Dia Compe ones likely, 
> as overpriced as they are. There's also the DC stem mounted shifters that 
> are adjustable in cable angle. 
>
> Especially on a road bike I find 33'ish the sweet spot max.  More doesn't 
> add as much as it detracts in steering feel. I ride my 33mm (actual) 
> Schwalbe Marathon Racers at no more than 40psi when I pump them and by the 
> time I go to pump them again they're more like 35-37. That's on the road, I 
> could go lower for worse surfaces.
>
> I find categorizing a bike only leads to the tail wagging the dog syndrome 
> as you end up chasing some elusive image of what the term may or may not 
> mean. All those categorical buzzwords have no Universal meaning other than 
> their spelling of the words. It's just a bike, regardless of the parts on 
> it !   
>
> Here's what I mean for the bar setup. My hands are never near the ends, 
> always at the foremost straight with my thumbs inside the curve. Shifting 
> is a breeze. The brake levers are easy to reach with a pinkie or two 
> fingers. Reversed the levers are easier to activate than the the other way 
> around. I always hated regular mtb levers as I thought they were designed 
> backwards. 
>
> [image: Alba-Franklin56.jpg]
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[RBW] Re: Let’s say I made my Clem into a “gravel bike”

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

Thanks Rich! And Hi Gil of Gloucester (hoping to bring my blue step through 
to Rockport for a week in July!, where’s the good stuff?)
When I got my Clem, there were no step through frames in size huge, 
otherwise I’d have had that, and probably never grabbed at a Rosco or two..
Top tubes are literal crutches, kinda.
And that specialized titanium fancy bottom bracket was the first weight 
weenie thing I ever purchased. Sealed Shimano cheapies have become my 
favored crank holder in the thirty something years since.
-Kai

On Thursday, June 8, 2023 at 1:30:01 PM UTC-4 RichS wrote:

> Kai,
>
> My compliments on your Clem! Your portfolio of images really displays the 
> Clems versatility, and I might add, your creativity. An ideal bike for 
> NY/Brooklyn terrain.
> The adjustable bottom bracket is pretty cool too:-)
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
>
> On Tuesday, June 6, 2023 at 9:16:23 PM UTC-4 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY wrote:
>
>>
>> Many photos of many states of Clem H, all gravel ready- 
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/uxqm63W2nB5scvmg7
>> -Kai
>> On Tuesday, June 6, 2023 at 4:06:54 PM UTC-4 Mackenzy Albright wrote:
>>
>>> [image: PXL_20230606_164339003.jpg]
>>>
>>> This thread needs less opinions and more inpirational photos of Gravel 
>>> Clems. Just my opinion. :P 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, June 6, 2023 at 12:02:41 PM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm not going to provide specific tire recommendations, but I ride 
>>>> "gravel" and single-track quiet a bit on my Roadini. I still remember that 
>>>> time in the 1990s when I was riding with Bridgestone-sponsored cyclist 
>>>> Eric 
>>>> House, and we all showed up in the East Bay proud of ourselves for riding 
>>>> road bikes on a Grant ride. Grant showed up on a fixie with 35mm tires and 
>>>> proceeded to outride us all on and off road. 
>>>>
>>>> A few principles:
>>>>
>>>>- The lighter the rider, the smaller the tire you can get away 
>>>>with. At 140 pounds, I can ride fire roads with 25mm tires (or even 23, 
>>>>back when Michelin 23s were $10/pop!)
>>>>- Tread or no tread doesn't matter as much as rider skill and speed.
>>>>- Rider skill cannot be disentangled from bike fit. If the bike 
>>>>doesn't fit, you will find stuff scary that you can actually ride if 
>>>> the 
>>>>bike fit. I once accidentally raised my seat too high and discovered 
>>>> that 
>>>>stuff I could easily ride suddenly became hard!
>>>>- The longer the ride and the steeper the climb, the more important 
>>>>weight becomes. I can ride big heavy tires if I'm only going to go 
>>>> downhill 
>>>>because a car did most of the work. But if I have to do a lot of 
>>>> climbing 
>>>>(some of which turns into hiking inevitably if you ride in mountainous 
>>>>areas), the lighter the bike the better off you are.
>>>>- You can drop tire pressure far more than most tire pressure 
>>>>calculators will tell you to. I can run 700x40 tires measuring 38mm at 
>>>>25psi (the Rene Herse calculator will recommend 33psi) when I'm riding 
>>>> off 
>>>>pavement. On the pavement that same pressure will feel inefficient. I 
>>>> go so 
>>>>far as to carry a pressure gauge to drop tire pressure at the trail 
>>>> head 
>>>>and pump up the tires when I transition off a dirt descent onto 
>>>> pavement 
>>>>for the ride home.
>>>>- Bigger tires affect handling - one reason I don't ride with as 
>>>>big a tire as I can get away with is that you lose some agility. 
>>>> Frequently 
>>>>I find that being able to steer precisely and quickly offsets the 
>>>> inability 
>>>>to plow through some obstacle head on.
>>>>
>>>> What I do notice is that most people don't like to underbike. They will 
>>>> make comments that I won't be able to do a ride on my 25mm tires and then 
>>>> be all surprised when I show up and do the ride. But when I'm touring I'm 
>>>> not going to bring 3 different bikes, so I just push the limits and go 
>>>> slower and occasionally depend on pulling a spare tire out of my saddle 
>>>> bag 
>>>> if a tire were to shred during a tour (which can happen even if you're not 
>>>> riding off pavement).
>>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: New member confession.

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

Welcome!!
Sorry to hear you’re slowing down, but glad you’re just slowing down (30 
minutes can be a decent ride). Keep pedaling until the tires fall off! And 
by chance are you very very very tall?
Happy rolling to you
-Kai 

On Sunday, June 18, 2023 at 8:47:47 PM UTC-4 dalin...@gmail.com wrote:

> My primary reason for requesting membership to this group is that I must 
> begin selling all six of my bikes and related bicycle gear. Let me explain, 
> please. 
> I was a member of the original Bridgestone Owner's Group, I think #912  
> ???. I joined the RBW group early on, but eventually dropped active 
> participation  because I could not keep up with the number of e-mails 
> involved.
>
> I am now a retired, 87 year old, VA physician, living in north central 
> Arizona. I primarily was a road rider, (non racer, ) with some off road 
> riding in the national forest  which lies out my front door. I stopped  
> riding outdoors when we were shut down by the Covid pandemic.
> I could not risk an injury requiring a hospital ER  visit or 
> hospitalization, and leaving my wife to fend for herself. Thus, I have only 
> been riding indoors on my Revmaster Pro stationary bike.
> I have more recently been diagnosed with Parkinson's disease, am on 
> medication,, but am plagued with extreme fatigue, which limits my rides to 
> about 30 minutes. PD is a progressive, incurable disease, thus my cycling 
> situation is not likely to change .
> Therefore, I an going to try to sell my bikes and miscellaneous gear and 
> equipment.
>
> :I/,m 
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Repaired Susie and Intro post

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

Nice work. What’s going on on the other side chainstay/seatstay? Trailer 
hitch?
-Kai

On Friday, June 14, 2024 at 11:34:08 AM UTC-4 James ODonnell wrote:

> [image: 1 built.jpg]
> Introducing myself and my Susie W L that I picked up in the following 
> state from a list member (original thread 
> 
> ).
> [image: 2 brokenframe.jpeg]
>
> After aligning the fork and rear triangle, I did some practice brazes, 
> hand mitered some tubes, chucked it all in a basic fixture and did my best 
> to match the original geometry based on a chart Will @ Rivendell kindly 
> shared with me. To my surprise I managed to produce a frame that rides 
> straight and has held up to almost a year of riding. 
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[RBW] Re: Now officially a member

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

Welcome T!!
Happy Rolling
-Kai

On Sunday, June 16, 2024 at 11:46:26 AM UTC-4 ted...@gmail.com wrote:

> Picked up my Platypus today at Mack's Bike and Goods here in Evanston, IL. 
> Rode my old bike there, and left it at the shop (maybe forever?). Put 30 
> miles on the tires, and almost 2 hours of smiles on my face. 
>
> Team at Riv (James in this instance) were supportive in the shopping 
> phase. 
>
> All good. Now I've an old bike to sell.
>
> T
>

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[RBW] Re: Show me your Riv with Bullmoose bars

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

That’s a 200mm’er on your Bombadil, yes? That’s my dream-moose, only 
available with those Bombadils, I’ve heard. Good luck getting it back into 
the fold.
-Kai

On Wednesday, June 19, 2024 at 11:42:35 AM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I hope someday to be reunited with this one.  My former Bombadil:
>
>
> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/5236885742/in/album-72157623611013487/
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, cA
>
> On Tuesday, June 18, 2024 at 6:42:58 PM UTC-7 Max S wrote:
>
>> As everyone knows, having a stem or a handlebar in the workshop and *not* 
>> attached to a bike is a very dangerous situation. I find myself in a double 
>> hazard with a Bullmoose handlebar / quill stem in the shop, not attached to 
>> any bike. The one proven safety measure in such a situation is to build 
>> a bike around it. As everyone knows. 
>>
>> So, inspire me with your awesomest Bullmoosey-ist builds! 
>>
>> - Max "double trouble" in A2 
>>
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[RBW] Re: WTB- 200mm bullmoose bars

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

Still hoping… 🙏
-Kai

On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 10:54:35 AM UTC-4 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY wrote:

> Anybody have a looong bullmoose bar they're not using? I just swapped out 
> bars on my Rosco Bubbe mega mixte and need a few more cm of extension. I've 
> got good stuffs for trade as well, please PM if you can help me out. 
> kaivierstra at gmail.com 
> Thanks 
> -Kai 
> BKNY 

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[RBW] Re: FS - Nitto Tallux (7cm, 26mm), Nitto S83 Seatpost, and Riv Cork Grips

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

That’s an s84! Steel! Real! 
It’s considered as nicer than the s83 by most of the fine folks around 
here, so there, happy sales..
-Kai

On Thursday, July 11, 2024 at 3:44:36 PM UTC-6 Sean B. wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> Selling my Nitto seatpost, stem, and cork grips
>
> Tallux (only used for a few miles) - $60 shipped
> S83 (used but good condition) - $120 shipped
> Miesha's Cork Grips (new) - $30 shipped
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[RBW] Re: NBD!

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

Powder Mountain local? That’s the place! Eden indeed. 

On Wednesday, July 17, 2024 at 6:01:52 PM UTC-6 Gill wrote:

> Holy smokes that’s a lotta bike. It looks like one of Bill Walton’s old 
> rides (look for Dead stickers on the dt). I stayed in aptly named Eden Utah 
> skiing this past winter.  Man, just fell in love with that place. 
> On Wednesday, July 17, 2024 at 10:54:03 AM UTC-4 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
> wrote:
>
>> [image: IMG_0959.jpeg]Not a Rivendell, but big!, like some Rivendells. 
>> Wanted to share here because, as they say here in Utah, This Is The 
>> Place🙂. 
>> I’ve always hoped a 71 Homer would show up, but this will do for now. 
>> Custom Co-Motion 70cm c-c with a 64 c-c top tube. It’s MASSIVE! A little 
>> too big, but to experience that sizing up we always discuss here is 
>> profound. I’m out here working on the family farm for my vacation and had 
>> been eyeing this thing on the eBay of the local bicycle recyclery and made 
>> a very low offer in hopes of being cleanly denied, but they took it with 
>> the knowledge that they’d be getting it back in 15 years or so, free and 
>> clear. Haven’t had the chance to take it on anything but a test ride around 
>> the shop, still need to rope a local pal into to transporting it up to the 
>> Wasatch back, but it’s my new summer vacation steed to compliment my Surly 
>> Ogre “Mountain Bike” until I can make the big move back to the mountains 
>> with some Rivendells…
>> Happy Rolling to all, stay stretched…
>> -Kai
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Potentially For Sale: Betty Foy

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

With a dynamo and cream longboards! It’s stunning. Makes me wonder why Riv 
didn’t make more bikes that spontaneously sprouted flowers 😉.
-Kai

On Wednesday, July 17, 2024 at 9:24:30 PM UTC-6 Hoch in ut wrote:

> [image: IMG_4850.jpeg]Hello. I am painstakingly creating this listing for 
> my wife’s Betty Foy. Her health issues has prevented her from riding this 
> bike for the past few years. I’d dare guess it has less than 30 miles in 
> the last 6 years. It is in pristine condition. I don’t know if there is a 
> single paint chip. There may be, but I can’t find one. 
> Size is a 52? That’s the Center to Top seat tube measurement (pictured in 
> the link below).  She is 5’ 6” and it fits her well. I purchased this from 
> the original owners years ago. 
>
> Typical Riv build. Please ask any questions. I don’t respond to emails 
> right away but please be patient as I will respond eventually. Sometimes, 
> the emails from this group ends up in the Spam folder so if I don’t get 
> back to you within a day, please post here or resend your email. 
>
> Price: $2,000. Please let me know if I am off market price. 
> I am located in Utah (Salt Lake area). Happy to meet in person. 
> I can ship at buyer’s expense. I am happy to take it to any bike shop near 
> here. 
>
> Thanks. 
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/MHAU1bKFdieJaW1f7
>
>
>
>
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[RBW] Re: WTB Susie Longbolts 56

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

Saturday Cycles of Salt Lake has Susies, and a relative gajillions of other 
Rivendell options at their shop-
https://www.saturdaycycles.com/ ,so it should go without saying how nice 
they are…
And Welcome!
-Kai

On Friday, July 26, 2024 at 10:29:31 AM UTC-6 zakk.ba...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey all
> New here. I'm looking for a Susie frame set in 56 cm or 59 cm. 
> Or possibly a 59cm Clem L. But I'd prefer the Susie.
> I'm in need of a more upright bike due to an injury. Appreciate any leads.
> Thanks!
>

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Re: [RBW] WTB: 66 or 68cm Quickbeam frame set

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

Fascinating! Didn't know this could happen at any price. Gives me something 
nice to dream, just can't justify it myself, but if I had the means, dreams 
would come true. 
Quickdreams!!
-Kai

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[RBW] steps to mount a tire / tubeless is easy?

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

I don't use the soapy water, mounted a tubeless tire the other night without a 
single drop dripped. Not that it's easier than tubes, but it's not telemetry 
data.
-Kai

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[RBW] Re: Ghost shifting on the Clem

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

I think it's more of a bucket than a roll, but yes. Rivendell cuts them to 
length, no more than one master link needed (not that two is bad)
-Kai

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[RBW] Is the Clem a Hillibike?

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

You should feel confident that you and it will be fine. You'll likely be the 
fastest for fear of not being, but don't let that or anything else get in the 
way of being the funhavingiest (with rhythm).
-Kai

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[RBW] Schwalbe’s Big Apple is a 10-year old tire design. What’s a newer/better alternative?

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

I thought the stock Kendas (kwicknines?) were adequate tires, but the 
discontinued Big Ones and those that followed are certainly better for most 
things, but more fragile, the big ones especially so. The G-ones are super 
duper tires, I use them tubeless and it's great, but with tubes I'd stick with 
the big apples or similarly thickish tire. 
-Kai

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[RBW] Schwalbe’s Big Apple is a 10-year old tire design. What’s a newer/better alternative?

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

And thumbs up for Liteskin schwalbes.
-Kai

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[RBW] Re: Why I went Tubeless

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

I've seated tires with a regular pump. It takes patience and much massaging of 
the beads. I've got a compressor, otherwise I'd be looking for a new pump. 
Enjoy!
-Kai

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[RBW] FS - CroMo Albatross Bars, Meisha Cork Grips, Avid Speed Dial Levers

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

Those Avids are the best levers ever! Congratulations to whomever picked up 
this deal
-Kai

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[RBW] Favorite Rivendell model names?

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

Rosco Bubbe for the win!!
-Kai 

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[RBW] Camera Suggestions

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from womb to natural tomb!

I have found that Canon has the best timer software, but maybe others have 
stepped up their game. 
-Kai

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[RBW] Re: Camera Suggestions

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

Yup. I got sick and tired of taking timed single shots of the family, so I went 
to B&H and asked which could do timed bursts. Canon could, and did everything 
else too through decent lenses. Never looked back...
Enjoy!
-Kai

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[RBW] Re: Camera Suggestions

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

Thank the Lord for our right to choices! But there are certainly many regarding 
Canons, maybe too many. Here's one I made fairly recently- 

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1321345-REG/canon_eos_m5_mirrorless_digital.html
 
Not that I'd want to push you towards that one, I'd get the M6 if I could, but 
I decided to be a parent and that put the kabosh on any spending outside of 
what's generally necessary (bike excesses are my indulgence), but having 30 
shots of my kids looking somewhere else besides the camera versus only 3 has 
cemented my love for Canon. 

-Kai

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[RBW] Lightening up my Joe Appaloosa--a full makeover. AHH--a partial makeover. Thanks to Analog Cycles.

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

My bike is bragging that it shared a rack with your Appaloosa back before it 
was the star it is today! 
Them bikes are looking splendid Roberta, enjoy
-Kai

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[RBW] Cameras for Biking

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I recommended Canon before. Sony's great, but they're $. 
This one is good, and you can collect lenses, and if you crunch it by accident 
it's not the end of the world.
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1321345-REG/canon_eos_m5_mirrorless_digital.html
-Kai

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[RBW] Rec's for trailer hitch bike rack for 5 bikes

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

Good folks in your neighboring Utah make this fiver- 
https://www.altaracks.com/product/alta-six-gpr-five-pack/
-Kai

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[RBW] Re: The Sound of Silence - Just Ride Quietly

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

The folks at the local bike boutique told me that that sound is "the sweet 
sweet sound of engagement". I wanted one for avoiding bell soundings, but my 
$50 bell has settled my fears. 
DIIing...
-Kai

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[RBW] FS: Schwalbe Big Ones 29x2.35

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

These are the most supple butterfly wings ever! Really nice tires. Patrick has 
a stash of them, I've got one left☹️. They'll run tubeless great, in fact you 
shouldn't set them up any other way. Wish I could afford them right now, but 
you should. 
-Kai (no relation to seller, I just love Big Ones)

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Re: [RBW] Re: Lowrider racks on MIT Atlantis?

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

That's a great looking rack, but then there's this quote that made me wince-

"This rack sold individually. So I installed only right side, for my daily bike.

Maximum load capacity is 6kg (around 13 pounds) I could carry 28 Japanese 
comics!"

Doesn't make it any less of a rack, I just think it's a little irresponsible to 
sell lowriders one at a time with balance being so critical to safe and 
comfortable steering. Presumably this is an expensive rack, what with all the 
points of brazing and complicated bends, but one should buy two.

-Kai

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[RBW] Re: Can I fit J. App. or AHH in back of Civic or Impreza with back seat down?

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

$5600?! Yeah, that'll make you think. My octogenarian pal recently gifted 
us her "99" Mercury Mountaineer, and then my sister found herself wanting 
to give up a 2010 Hyundai that's cozy, which I jumped at the chance for. So 
yesterday I regifted the Mercury to a coworker's kid and will be looking to 
install a hitch for a bike rack (no trailer towing) on the Hyundai. Point 
is, go tiny and stick bikes outside any way possible. 
Sorry about your Jetta
-Kai


On Thursday, June 18, 2020 at 2:14:16 PM UTC-4, Roberta wrote:
>
> I'm away from home without my bikes and found I need to buy a another 
> car.  I'm looking at the Civic and Imprezza sedans, but will go with the 
> hatchback versions if needed.  I'm leaning more toward Civic.  I haven't 
> seen either yet, just internet research.
>
> Currently (until Tuesday, that is), I put down my back seats,  took the 
> front wheel off and put a bike laid down on a diagonal in my Jetta Hybrid. 
> Can anyone confirm that they do the same with the Civic or Imprezza?  I 
> just need a bike to fit one way or another.  I'll also install a hitch, but 
> it's nice to have options.
>
> I'm only looking at those two cars.  I'm looking for short length for 
> easier parallel parking, as good mpg as possible (I drive long distances a 
> lot--sorry), less expensive than your "average" car, and a great ride 
> (Jetta Hybrid was GREAT).  I know, two out of three...or three out of 
> four...  
>
> I do have a car to drive home this weekend for test fitting next weekend.  
> For those who are curious, $5,600 for a new transmission in my hybrid on a 
> 98,000 mile car.  I have no issues spending the money there, but I'm 
> wondering what else I have in store for me...
>
> Thanks,
> Roberta
>
>
>

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[RBW] End-of-Spring Rides

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The mud chain flower was the prettiest, it's my state plant. Very very nice.
-Kai

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Re: [RBW] Re: bending nitto struts

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Those benders work much better than the harsh edge of a vice. There's also 
super simple thick springs that fit the rod and disperse the bending pressure 
nicely, or bend using some nice soft pine as the fulcrum.
-Kai

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[RBW] WTB: Front Rack for Wald Basket

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

This has been mentioned elsewhere on some related threads, that the Wald basket 
supports that often come with the basket are a pretty good option. Not as fancy 
as a rack, but maybe that's a bonus? 
-Kai

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[RBW] PSA: 68cm Quickbeam on Paceline

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

Wish I could open those photos on there. Orange is the second run? I've had two 
greens, so orange is the dream that's $1400 plus shipping away from my 
fingertips
If anyone can share those photos, please do
-Kai

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[RBW] Re: Clem H sizing, availability

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

Here's the answer to everything- search the world for one of these (the 
precious, the Rosco Bubbe) and be forever 
happy- https://photos.app.goo.gl/5UqTJPoisD1FiHJc9  
Doesn't look as steppy throughy as the Clem L, but still gives some room, 
and (risking offense to my fellow Clem 65 owners, sorry folks) rides better 
than the Clems.
-Kai

On Friday, April 2, 2021 at 11:15:26 AM UTC-4 Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:

> I am another 65cm H owner... with approx 97-ish pbh, 6'5" height.  My 
> seatpost and bar height are extended nearly the same as in Julian's pic 
> except I'm using a vintage B72 saddle which is not as tall has his sprung 
> saddle (flyer/conquest?) which likely accounts for some overall saddle 
> height difference I expect we'd have.
>
> Sounds like you certainly fall between sizes of 59 and 65H... I forget the 
> specific min/max but recall I was right near the minimum recommended pbh 
> for the 65H.  I almost went with a 59 with the initial Clem release (and 
> was really tempted when the first 59 prototype became a webspecial) but 
> hesitated having always been stuck with too small off the shelf bikes and 
> knew I wanted a more upright and comfortable sized bike for my casual local 
> riding (mixed pavement/gravel/multiuse trails.)  I have very little 
> standover clearance with the 65 but once I'm in the saddle I'm perfectly 
> content and couldn't imagine wanting to go smaller.  I've swapped from 55cm 
> Bosco to Jones Loop(660mm 2.5 Riser) to ChocoMoose like Julian shows and 
> now have a regular Bullmoose installed. However, if I did a little more 
> rough stuff or off-road riding I think I'd actually prefer a 59cm for 
> slightly easier mounting/dismounting and a more aggressive bar position 
> using my Jones or Bullmoose bars. 
>
> I also thought it was mentioned they'd at least never do the 65cm H again 
> but don't recall where/when specifically.
>
> Best,
> Brian Cole
> Lawrence NJ
>
>
>
> On Friday, April 2, 2021 at 7:34:46 AM UTC-4 weste...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I have a 101 pbh and ride a 65 Clem (pic attached).  I really like it, 
>> but if my pbh were 5-6 cm smaller I think it would be an issue -- esp. if I 
>> was not using it primarily as a town bike as you see it set up here. 
>>
>> I think the 65 is history. 
>>
>> I'm with Kai -- get the L.   I've been seriously tempted to do so myself. 
>> It is also a unicorn of sorts
>>
>>
>> Julian Westerhout
>> Bloomington, IL 
>>
>> On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 2:28:41 PM UTC-5 Kevin wrote:
>>
>>> Hi folks,
>>>
>>> I am semi in the market for a Clem H and am looking for some first 
>>> person thoughts on fit. I worry I am in between the 59 and the massive 65. 
>>> Can anybody who has ridden either or both of those chime in with their 
>>> measurements and how the bikes felt? I think the proper solution to this 
>>> problem is to just get the 64 L but I am just not sympatico with the 
>>> aesthetics there.
>>>
>>> I'm about a 95-96 PBH and ride a 62 Sam pretty comfortably with drops, 
>>> would prefer more reach every time I've set it up with flats.
>>>
>>> Also, the bike seems to have been excised from the models section of 
>>> Riv's site. Anyone know if they are planning on only offering the step 
>>> through model moving forward?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Clem H sizing, availability

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

Thanks Andrew! They're rusting pretty good, even after a clear coat of 
Penetrol, but strong and regularly carrying 70lb grocery loads on the lower 
front.
And Coal Bee Rye Anne, there's 12 in the world. I thought there was 6 and I 
might've spread that rumor, but a recent post of Will's cleared it up. And 
thanks to Ryan, I've got 2 (A SIXTH OF THE WORLDS SUPPLY) and I can 
sleep at night because of it. I got run down by an illegal turner that left 
me flustered and mostly fearful for the fate of the frame, which was fine, 
but it put the fear in me.
-Kai
On Monday, April 5, 2021 at 8:48:02 PM UTC-4 Andrew Letton wrote:

> Kai- 
> That is some truly glorious rack and basket work on your Bubbe! Bravo!
> Is it new (hence no rust) or does it have some sort of clearcoat on it?
> cheers,
> Andrew in Sydney
>
> On Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 10:38:59 AM UTC+10 Abcyclehank wrote:
>
>> I heard some people like the jumbo mountain mixte Rosco so much they have 
>> more than one in their fleet 🤔👍 🚲 🚲 .
>> Wish I had been that smart...
>>
>> Ryan Hankinson
>> West Michigan
>>
>> On Friday, April 2, 2021 at 1:29:55 PM UTC-4 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Here's the answer to everything- search the world for one of these (the 
>>> precious, the Rosco Bubbe) and be forever happy- 
>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/5UqTJPoisD1FiHJc9  
>>> Doesn't look as steppy throughy as the Clem L, but still gives some 
>>> room, and (risking offense to my fellow Clem 65 owners, sorry folks) rides 
>>> better than the Clems.
>>> -Kai
>>>
>>> On Friday, April 2, 2021 at 11:15:26 AM UTC-4 Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am another 65cm H owner... with approx 97-ish pbh, 6'5" height.  My 
>>>> seatpost and bar height are extended nearly the same as in Julian's pic 
>>>> except I'm using a vintage B72 saddle which is not as tall has his sprung 
>>>> saddle (flyer/conquest?) which likely accounts for some overall saddle 
>>>> height difference I expect we'd have.
>>>>
>>>> Sounds like you certainly fall between sizes of 59 and 65H... I forget 
>>>> the specific min/max but recall I was right near the minimum recommended 
>>>> pbh for the 65H.  I almost went with a 59 with the initial Clem release 
>>>> (and was really tempted when the first 59 prototype became a webspecial) 
>>>> but hesitated having always been stuck with too small off the shelf bikes 
>>>> and knew I wanted a more upright and comfortable sized bike for my casual 
>>>> local riding (mixed pavement/gravel/multiuse trails.)  I have very little 
>>>> standover clearance with the 65 but once I'm in the saddle I'm perfectly 
>>>> content and couldn't imagine wanting to go smaller.  I've swapped from 
>>>> 55cm 
>>>> Bosco to Jones Loop(660mm 2.5 Riser) to ChocoMoose like Julian shows and 
>>>> now have a regular Bullmoose installed. However, if I did a little more 
>>>> rough stuff or off-road riding I think I'd actually prefer a 59cm for 
>>>> slightly easier mounting/dismounting and a more aggressive bar position 
>>>> using my Jones or Bullmoose bars. 
>>>>
>>>> I also thought it was mentioned they'd at least never do the 65cm H 
>>>> again but don't recall where/when specifically.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Brian Cole
>>>> Lawrence NJ
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, April 2, 2021 at 7:34:46 AM UTC-4 weste...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have a 101 pbh and ride a 65 Clem (pic attached).  I really like it, 
>>>>> but if my pbh were 5-6 cm smaller I think it would be an issue -- esp. if 
>>>>> I 
>>>>> was not using it primarily as a town bike as you see it set up here. 
>>>>>
>>>>> I think the 65 is history. 
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm with Kai -- get the L.   I've been seriously tempted to do so 
>>>>> myself. It is also a unicorn of sorts
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Julian Westerhout
>>>>> Bloomington, IL 
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 2:28:41 PM UTC-5 Kevin wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi folks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am semi in the market for a Clem H and am looking for some first 
>>>>>> person thoughts 

[RBW] Re: Clem H sizing, availability

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

Thanks Marty. Easily the best box art I've received (I'm the 3rd 
owner) https://photos.app.goo.gl/EAcE6bLjfWX43FE57
-Kai

On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 12:03:18 PM UTC-4 Marty Gierke, Stewartstown 
PA wrote:

> I'm the one who gave mine up to the bunch - it rode just a bit too big for 
> me (92pbh) and I have a 59 Clem H now that hits the sweet spot better than 
> any Riv I've owned. (64 Atlantis, 64 Quickbeam, 60 Bombadil, 63 All 
> Rounder) I really wanted to like the monster Roscoe, but until you ride it 
> it's never easy to know for sure. I still feel exclusive with the Clem H 
> now that step throughs are all the rage, and it might move me in the 
> direction on N+Zero. For someone with persistent hip pain, I didn't really 
> notice any difference between a step-through and a swing-around top-tuber - 
> it's a pain either way. YMMV.
>
> Marty
>
> On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 9:30:50 AM UTC-4 Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:
>
>> Kai, whoa, sorry to hear of the illegal turner but glad you and the frame 
>> otherwise appear to have come out of it unscathed.  I vaguely recall when 
>> one popped up for resale here (or maybe I'm just confusing that with Will's 
>> FYI that one of the pre-sales became available when someone backed out?) 
>> and was again way behind in seeing it but with 12 in the world hopefully my 
>> timing is better if one of the remaining 10 ever get released to the wild.  
>> Of course, I could always post a WTB in case anyone is holding one that's 
>> not getting ridden much but I'd need to first sell the Clem H to fund it 
>> and I'm actually banking on the upcoming Roaduno you mentioned was 
>> supposedly getting the XXL treatment.  (if all goes well it may end up 
>> replacing 3 rotating single speeds... though I still haven't been able to 
>> bring myself to offload any of them and they are different enough that I 
>> have greatly enjoyed mixing things up.)  Two of the 3 are now rebuilt and 
>> ready for spring to replace the one I've ridden exclusively the past 1.5yrs 
>> which will go back into reserve.
>>
>> Best,
>> Brian Cole
>> Lawrenceville NJ
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 5:08:12 PM UTC-4 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Andrew! They're rusting pretty good, even after a clear coat of 
>>> Penetrol, but strong and regularly carrying 70lb grocery loads on the lower 
>>> front.
>>> And Coal Bee Rye Anne, there's 12 in the world. I thought there was 6 
>>> and I might've spread that rumor, but a recent post of Will's cleared it 
>>> up. And thanks to Ryan, I've got 2 (A SIXTH OF THE WORLDS SUPPLY) and I 
>>> can sleep at night because of it. I got run down by an illegal turner that 
>>> left me flustered and mostly fearful for the fate of the frame, which was 
>>> fine, but it put the fear in me.
>>> -Kai
>>> On Monday, April 5, 2021 at 8:48:02 PM UTC-4 Andrew Letton wrote:
>>>
>>>> Kai- 
>>>> That is some truly glorious rack and basket work on your Bubbe! Bravo!
>>>> Is it new (hence no rust) or does it have some sort of clearcoat on it?
>>>> cheers,
>>>> Andrew in Sydney
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 10:38:59 AM UTC+10 Abcyclehank wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I heard some people like the jumbo mountain mixte Rosco so much they 
>>>>> have more than one in their fleet 🤔👍 🚲 🚲 .
>>>>> Wish I had been that smart...
>>>>>
>>>>> Ryan Hankinson
>>>>> West Michigan
>>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, April 2, 2021 at 1:29:55 PM UTC-4 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Here's the answer to everything- search the world for one of these 
>>>>>> (the precious, the Rosco Bubbe) and be forever happy- 
>>>>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/5UqTJPoisD1FiHJc9  
>>>>>> Doesn't look as steppy throughy as the Clem L, but still gives some 
>>>>>> room, and (risking offense to my fellow Clem 65 owners, sorry folks) 
>>>>>> rides 
>>>>>> better than the Clems.
>>>>>> -Kai
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Friday, April 2, 2021 at 11:15:26 AM UTC-4 Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am another 65cm H owner... with approx 97-ish pbh, 6'5" height.  
>>>>>>> My seatpost and bar height a

[RBW] Re: Clem's mount for rear wheel lock.

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

Another voice of dissent here, I use velcro straps that weigh nothing to 
engage my brake levers when I'm within eyeshot of my bike. Any would be 
thief will be confused by the locked up brakes long enough for me to run to 
my bicycle's defense.
-Kai

On Thursday, April 15, 2021 at 2:37:02 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I shall dissent from the others who like these things. I had the one Riv 
> used to sell mounted on a Clem and it was really stinking heavy. At the 
> time I lived in an upstairs apartment and the extra weight when lifting the 
> bike up those steps was quite noticeable and I took it off. 
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 11:15:22 AM UTC-7 David B wrote:
>
>> I purchased my Clem in the first round pre-sale, and up until now I 
>> haven't thought about the mounts for a Dutch-style rear wheel lock. 
>> However, I'm seeing some use for it now, with short trips within my 
>> neighborhood. Really just for running in somewhere for a few seconds with 
>> bike in view.
>> Anyone used one on a Clem? Your thoughts on whether it's 'worth' it or 
>> not?
>> Max tire/fender clearance?
>> Thanks,
>> David
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: rear dropout spacing Sam Hillborne

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

135 is standard for the Hillbornes, yup. 135 is very available, I bet 
someone here's got a nice rear wheel for sale...
-Kai

On Friday, April 16, 2021 at 5:03:53 PM UTC-4 lug...@gmail.com wrote:

> I am finally tackling my SH build. and I am immediately stumped by the 
> rear dropout spacing.
> mine is measuring 136, so call it 135mm.
> I was expecting 130mm for some reason, standard road bike metric. (and I 
> only have wheels that size)
>
> is 135mm standard for this frame? are 700c wheels generally available in 
> 135mm spacing?[image: SH wheel spacing 135.jpg][image: 
> IMG_20210416_58379.jpg]
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Re: [RBW] Re: To My Platypus People!

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

The Eighth Hour Bicycle Boutique in Brooklyn. It's brand new, just opened 
on the stoner new year. It's run by the swell fella in the photo. Check 
them out- @eighthhourstudio 
-Kai


On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 2:15:47 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Wow, Kai, where was this? How exciting!
>
> Yes, Bones, great bike and tell us how your wife reacted when you 
> surprised her with it.
>
> Tom - this is your first Rivendell, yes? How soon can you build it and 
> tell us all about it?
>
> I love this thread. It makes me happy every single day.
> Leah
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Apr 30, 2021, at 11:12 AM, Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY  
> wrote:
>
> 
>
> 
>
> Not my bike, not his bike, but a fine bike.
> and check out that Cherubim out back!! 
> If this is your bike, I made him show me and pose with it...
> -Kai
> On Sunday, January 3, 2021 at 6:32:59 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> [image: 4AFE365B-C68C-46F4-A214-CAF3AF3A5949.jpeg]It’s going to be your 
>> turn! It’s finally 2021 and January is the month of the mixte, or so the 
>> Riv site says. I’m really excited to see everyone’s new bikes and how each 
>> one is set up. Did anyone get a Platypus voucher for a Christmas present? 
>> Or maybe no excuse was necessary - you’re just getting it. What do you have 
>> in mind for your new bike? Commuter? Adventure bike? Rambler? Errands? 
>>
>> You’re in for such a treat. The bike is light, fun, gorgeous, and very 
>> capable. I can’t wait to hear your news and see your photos. If you’re on 
>> Instagram, Rivendell has an official hashtag for us to use: #rbwplatypus. 
>>
>> Happy New Year!
>> Leah
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[RBW] Re: bolt size on Nitto 32f mini front rack

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

I'm a little confused and curious, having never seen a 6mm threaded hole on 
the front of a fork crown, but assuming the fork's not built of something 
other than metal, wouldn't it be so easy and satisfying to drill out the 
threading and continue out of the back of the fork, enabling "normal" use 
of that threaded mount? That way it would be easy to install, and easy to 
remove when you want to sell it.
-Kai


On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 5:56:01 PM UTC-4 Drw wrote:

> Ah. good point. This is a problem I hadn't thought through. Im not opposed 
> to cutting, but being a perpetual rack switcher makes me think ill likely 
> sell it, and a chopped off bolt wont make it too desirable. 
> On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 2:50:00 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Drew 
>>
>> I'm 98% sure that the bolt on the Nitto 32F is M6 x 1.0mm, which is 
>> standard for virtually all M6 threads on bicycles, including cantilever 
>> bosses, the larger rack bosses on some Rivs, seat bolts on Rivs, lots of 
>> other things...
>>
>> Now, if you have a threaded M6 x 1.0mm hole in the front face of your 
>> fork crown, then in principle you could thread that rack bolt into that 
>> hole.  At the moment you get it started, the rack will be out in front of 
>> the fork about 1-1/2" too far out in front.  As you thread it in the rack 
>> will get closer to the fork.  When the existing threads run out the rack 
>> will still be sitting about an inch too far forward.  Then what?  Will you 
>> just bend everything as much as you need to bend things to get the rack 
>> legs to reach the fork?  I think you would end up with something really 
>> badly bent and contorted, won't be anywhere close to level, will have the 
>> tombstone way farther away from the fork as ideal, and won't be 'tight' 
>> threaded in that hole.  You could handle the 'tightness' problem by backing 
>> out the rack a few turns and leaving room for a locknut.  That would solve 
>> one of three problems and make the other two worse.
>>
>> Alternatively you could maybe get into the thread cutting game and try to 
>> thread the rack bolt much further down its length.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 2:11:01 PM UTC-7 Drw wrote:
>>
>>> Can someone confirm the size/threading of the bolt that goes into the 
>>> fork crown on the nitto 32f? 
>>>
>>> I have a fork with a hole tapped for M6 on the front end, but no hole on 
>>> the back, so I'd need to thread it directly into that hole
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Drew
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: bolt size on Nitto 32f mini front rack

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

Definitely go through the front because that's going to be your guide for 
the back, and those threads are messing everything up, so they need to get 
messed up!, as in, erased. Just enough gone to allow the rack's bolt 
through without bother. 
-Kai
Side note/ask, why do some crowns come with a threaded hole on one side? 
That can't be a good way to attach a brake, right? The strength of a 
caliper brake mount comes from the throughboltedness of it, yes? Losing 
3/4" worth of bolt on a brake mount would not be a good way to shed 
precious grams, so why? Dedicated light mount?

On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 6:53:13 PM UTC-4 Drw wrote:

> The thought crossed my mind. Ive never drilled through expensive steel 
> before. I assume you'd go from the front? how do you not mess up those 
> threads?
>
> On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 3:10:38 PM UTC-7 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY wrote:
>
>> I'm a little confused and curious, having never seen a 6mm threaded hole 
>> on the front of a fork crown, but assuming the fork's not built of 
>> something other than metal, wouldn't it be so easy and satisfying to drill 
>> out the threading and continue out of the back of the fork, enabling 
>> "normal" use of that threaded mount? That way it would be easy to install, 
>> and easy to remove when you want to sell it.
>> -Kai
>>
>>
>> On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 5:56:01 PM UTC-4 Drw wrote:
>>
>>> Ah. good point. This is a problem I hadn't thought through. Im not 
>>> opposed to cutting, but being a perpetual rack switcher makes me think ill 
>>> likely sell it, and a chopped off bolt wont make it too desirable. 
>>> On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 2:50:00 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>>> Drew 
>>>>
>>>> I'm 98% sure that the bolt on the Nitto 32F is M6 x 1.0mm, which is 
>>>> standard for virtually all M6 threads on bicycles, including cantilever 
>>>> bosses, the larger rack bosses on some Rivs, seat bolts on Rivs, lots of 
>>>> other things...
>>>>
>>>> Now, if you have a threaded M6 x 1.0mm hole in the front face of your 
>>>> fork crown, then in principle you could thread that rack bolt into that 
>>>> hole.  At the moment you get it started, the rack will be out in front of 
>>>> the fork about 1-1/2" too far out in front.  As you thread it in the rack 
>>>> will get closer to the fork.  When the existing threads run out the rack 
>>>> will still be sitting about an inch too far forward.  Then what?  Will you 
>>>> just bend everything as much as you need to bend things to get the rack 
>>>> legs to reach the fork?  I think you would end up with something really 
>>>> badly bent and contorted, won't be anywhere close to level, will have the 
>>>> tombstone way farther away from the fork as ideal, and won't be 'tight' 
>>>> threaded in that hole.  You could handle the 'tightness' problem by 
>>>> backing 
>>>> out the rack a few turns and leaving room for a locknut.  That would solve 
>>>> one of three problems and make the other two worse.
>>>>
>>>> Alternatively you could maybe get into the thread cutting game and try 
>>>> to thread the rack bolt much further down its length.  
>>>>
>>>> Bill Lindsay
>>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 2:11:01 PM UTC-7 Drw wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Can someone confirm the size/threading of the bolt that goes into the 
>>>>> fork crown on the nitto 32f? 
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a fork with a hole tapped for M6 on the front end, but no hole 
>>>>> on the back, so I'd need to thread it directly into that hole
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Drew
>>>>>
>>>>

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Re: [RBW] bolt size on Nitto 32f mini front rack

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

That's certainly the case, but why? The only thing I can think that'd be 
good for is a light mount, and two holes is as better for a light mount as 
it is for everything else I can imagine, so I'm left wondering. 
-Kai
A note for Drew, in case you do decide to drill that out, best to use a 
centering punch that fits inside the threads so you can start with a 
smaller drill bit and go bigger until you hit that sweet spot where you're 
clearing out the threads up front and making the final pass out the back 
with the rack then sliding through effortlessly. With oil of course, and a 
wee bit of abandon.


On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 10:58:23 PM UTC-4 campyo...@me.com wrote:

> A fork crown intended for use on a fork with brazed-on brake mounts 
> (cantis or centerpulls) might be made differently, since the hole in the 
> crown doesn’t need to accommodate a through bolt.
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com
> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy  
>
> On May 3, 2021, at 7:37 PM, Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY  
> wrote:
>
> ide note/ask, why do some crowns come with a threaded hole on one side?
>
>
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[RBW] Re: FS: 68cm Creamsicle Orange Rivendell Rambouillet F/F/HS/Brakes

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

Bump for the talls who have the liquidity to move this out of my view... 
(beautiful bike, bumps and all)
-Kai

On Wednesday, May 5, 2021 at 11:05:27 PM UTC-4 Kieran J wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Thinking about putting my 68 orange Ram frameset up for sale. I've owned 
> this since around 2014 and having a hard time moving it on but so it goes.
>
> Listing it as a F/F/HS along with a set of Tektro R539 brakes.
>
> 66cm C-C seat tube
> 62cm C-C top tube
> Fits a 700x35c tire comfortably
>
> It's in overall decent condition with plenty of wear and tear. Most 
> notably, it has a minor ripple in the top tube where something bumped it 
> and some damage to the seat cluster as well (all prior to my ownership). 
> It's visible but nothing serious. Also has some chainsuck wear and scrapes 
> near the BB. The original Ultegra 6500 headset is in good shape and the 
> brakes show some rust on the springs and they need new pads.
>
> Pics here: Google Link 
> 
>
> Thinking USD$700 plus shipping within North America. Probably via 
> BikeFlights but I don't know exactly how much it would cost. I have some 
> bike boxes and I'm happy to box it up myself.
>
> Send me a PM if you are interested.
>
> Thanks,
> Kieran
> Victoria, BC
>
>

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[RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

Inverted anything is good! What's really up anyhows? 
Love to all the path racers
-Kai

On Friday, May 7, 2021 at 11:36:47 PM UTC-4 brendonoid wrote:

> Inverted Billie Bars are the best bar. Have been able to put 200ish-kms on 
> my new 57cm Appa thanks to some finally good weather. This is my best 
> fitting, best riding Riv so far. I think that about every Riv whenever I 
> ride them but this time there is something EVEN MORE special going on. So 
> happy with how this whole build has come together.
>
> [image: DSC_0949.JPG]
>
> On Saturday, 8 May 2021 at 09:30:44 UTC+8 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY wrote:
>
>> Clem 65 with some billy bars and a super cool stem I picked up in 
>> beautiful Brooklyn. Frame was hanging around for awhile while I've been 
>> stuck deep in Roscoville. Fun for cobble shredding...
>> -Kai
>> [image: IMG-3026.jpg] 
>>
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[RBW] Re: Regrets

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

This 64cm Sam Hillborne- https://photos.app.goo.gl/oe7AdWXzUKB8NF8dA
but it's in a good home.
I popped the seatstay top braze off and had the joy of talking with Richard 
Schwinn about fixing it better than new, which he did for free. Once I had 
it back I was busy riding a Quickbeam and a Clem H, and felt weird about it 
having broken for some crazy reason, and sold it for a song...
-Kai

On Thursday, May 20, 2021 at 3:56:06 PM UTC-4 Damien wrote:

> In my seemingly endless search to optimize my bike collection, fill gaps, 
> and try new and cool bikes, I recently realized how many bikes I've had in 
> my life and how many questionable decisions I've made. There are a number 
> of choices I've made, for better or worse, to sell bikes in order to make 
> room for other bikes, downsize, or simply because I felt they weren't 
> getting the use they deserved.
>
> My question to the group is: what bike or bikes do you most regret 
> selling, trading, or giving away?  
>
> For me, as you may know, I absolutely regret selling my Roadini, and an 
> old Marinoni touring bike that I originally thought was too big for me (I 
> realize now how wrong I was, and am currently in the process of replacing 
> it!).
>
> Would love to hear what regrets others here have!
>
> <3
> Damien
>

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Re: [RBW] FS- 2003 Riv Custom- Curt Goodrich- yes, Patrick Moores'.

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

On topic- Riv makes bikes for every person in that photograph!, and that's 
mostly why I love Rivendell...
-Kai

On Saturday, May 22, 2021 at 10:05:13 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Sorry, off topic I know, but I can't resist. I'm hardly anti-white; my 
> father was so WASP that people thought he was old British military.
>
> [image: image.png]
>
>
> On Sat, May 22, 2021 at 7:51 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> One more addendum, regarding frame sizing. I am 5'10" but with an Asian 
>> build; if my torso were combined with Anglo legs, I'd be over 6' tall. My 
>> arms like my legs are shorter than the average Anglo's of my height.
>>
>> The exact right road bike size for me in level top tube frames is 60 X 56 
>> or 57 c-c; this Curt frame matches that with a (3*?) upsloping tt. 
>>
>> Talking (and Singing) of the Nordic Man by Hilaire Belloc
>> I
>>
>> Behold, my child, the Nordic man,
>> And be as like him, as you can;
>> His legs are long, his mind is slow,
>> His hair is lank and made of tow.
>>
>> II
>>
>> And here we have the Alpine Race:
>> Oh! What a broad and foolish face!
>> His skin is of a dirty yellow.
>> He is a most unpleasant fellow.
>>
>> III
>>
>> The most degraded of them all
>> Mediterranean we call.
>> His hair is crisp, and even curls,
>> And he is saucy with the girls.
>> [Note: Belloc is mocking very popular and very common late 19th or very 
>> early 20th century neo-Darwinist eugenic ideologies of racial superiority.]
>>
>> On Sat, May 22, 2021 at 7:36 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>>> Note: Primer on bottom front of rear dropouts is my doing. Chauncey 
>>> sourced extra-long dropouts from England, but I cut off 1/4" from the 
>>> bottom forward ends to ease axle entry/egress, primered the metal, but 
>>> never got around to a finish coat. For ss use the remaining slots will 
>>> accommodate at least 4 teeth if not 5, assuming that your small cog puts 
>>> the axle close to the end of the dropouts.
>>>
>>> On Sat, May 22, 2021 at 7:31 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>>
 I'm sorry Tom didn't in the end like the Curt as well as I eventually 
 ended up liking the Monocog he sent me in trade.

 Note that the level tt effective length is 57 or perhaps 56.5. Also, 
 the Matthews replacement fork (made for Matthews 2:1) will accommodate 42 
 mm tires, and perhaps a bit wider, but won't accommodate 42s and fenders 
 as 
 it was supposed to do.

 The powdercoat is really first rate and worthy to replace the Joe Bell 
 original paint.

 Integrated f and rear racks and internal light wiring.

 I would *not* set up Kojaks tubeless. I did that briefly but it was 
 only air pressure holding the beads to the rims. But Kojaks ride well with 
 tubes; they were my tire of choice after I decided that 26 X 1.25 Paselas 
 just flatted too often (tho' Orange Seal regular formula in the Paselas' 
 tubes will solve most puncture problems). Note taht at least with the 
 Matthews fork and just possibly with the original fork you can use the 
 superlative 42 mm RH Naches Pass. And of course you can without any 
 restrictions at all use the also superlative 28 mm Elk Pass, with fenders.

 Curt Goodrich's workmanship is stellar, and the modifications by Dave 
 Porter and Chauncey Matthews are well done, too.

 On Sat, May 22, 2021 at 12:02 PM Tom Palmer  
 wrote:

> Hi all,
> I traded Patricks' current Monocog for this custom frame, forks, racks 
> and fenders. It took a while to get built and after riding, it is just 
> too 
> big. My plans were for a touring bike since the custom racks are 
> wonderful- 
> stiff and light. Patrick had it fixed gear and I have fixed gears and 
> single speeds, but with touring in mind, I geared it with a not too 
> hideous 
> claw mount and Suntour derailler. the frame is 57cm CtoC seat tube and 
> 56cm 
> CtoC top tube. I am unsure of the frame angles. A lot of info on this 
> frame 
> can be found by searching to archives for "03 Curt". Comes with 2 forks- 
> original for caliper brakes and custom Patrick had made with cantilevers  
> or V brakes. nitto Technomic stem and Noodle Bars with Cane creek levers. 
> Suntour  power ratchet stem shifters shifting rear only- never had front 
> derailler. I rarely shift the front and would kick down to smaller ring 
> with foot if needed. I think grant calls it the stick method.  Triple 
> front 
> crankset, Sugino XD with 50,42, 30 rings. I rode it in the 42 and never 
> needed a lower gear. I did not ride it a ton, being too stretched out but 
> tried it over a few different routes, one with a lot of hills. Rides good 
> loaded, the racks are great. The rear cluster is 7 speed, fairly wide, 
> 13-32 I believe. brakes are Tektro 559 front and Shimano 600 rear. 
> Hammered 
> fender installed on rear now, with cutout secti

Re: [RBW] Re: Seeking VO Mojave bottle cage

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

The larger Kleen Kanteens, insulated and non, fit perfectly in the mojave 
cage, in case you were still shopping for options. Mojave cages rule.
-Kai


On Saturday, June 5, 2021 at 11:10:28 AM UTC-4 Lucky wrote:

> Well I wanted the Mojave for my son’s bike-to-school commuter bike because 
> he carries a 32oz “Manna” insulated bottle (from Costco), but it turns out 
> to be narrower than other 32oz bottles (according to the Mojave fit chart) 
> at 2.75” diameter. 
> I was trying to avoid a bottle carrier that’s easily stolen such as a 
> handlebar bag, and also trying to avoid him using a strap of some sort with 
> the bottle because frankly—he won’t. But in the end I think the handlebar 
> bag might be my best option and I will seek to secure it with at least one 
> metal zip just to make it hard to steal quickly. 
>
> On Jun 5, 2021, at 07:14, Pat Smith  wrote:
>
> According to the VO newsletter I just got yesterday they should be back 
> in stock now
>
>
> Pat inDC
>
>
>
> On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 1:31:16 PM UTC-5 Lucky wrote:
>
>> Does anyone have a Mojave bottle cage for sale? Or similar bottle cage 
>> capable of holding a 32 ounce bottle? Needs to be able to be affixed to 
>> standard water bottle mounts. 
>>
>> Thanks!
>
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