Re: [TANKS] Re: Remote kill switch
On Tuesday, November 18, 2014 2:56:12 PM UTC-5, TyngTech wrote: > > If I remember correctly, Maryland had the champion fleet. Sound familiar? > I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't remember that. Daisy ... Daisy ... give me your answer do ... -- -- You are currently subscribed to the "R/C Tank Combat" group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "R/C Tank Combat" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [TANKS] Re: Remote kill switch
The Forbin Project! Good movie and one of my favorite book series. In the second book we find an Earth at piece being run by the AI created by the old US and Soviet computers. For a non-violent entertainment, the AI converts the old human Naval warships into remote controlled fleets for remote controlled battles. If I remember correctly, Maryland had the champion fleet. Sound familiar? ST On Tuesday, November 18, 2014 9:11:50 AM UTC-5, jvragu47 wrote: > > When referring to 1970 you must consider Mr Forbin's, Project Colossus. > LOL. > > On Monday, November 17, 2014 9:30:18 PM UTC-5, Frank Pittelli wrote: >> >> Skynet? That's like a dial-up modem network from the late 70's compared >> to the Tri-Pact Battlefield Management Network scheduled to become >> "self-aware" sometime in 2015. >> >> On 11/17/2014 7:39 PM, Mike Lyons wrote: >> > I'm invoking the Skynet clause of our friendship agreement. >> > -- -- You are currently subscribed to the "R/C Tank Combat" group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "R/C Tank Combat" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [TANKS] Re: Remote kill switch
Yes, indeed. The good ole days when all we had to worry about was cooperation between two U.S. and Soviet computers intent on destroying the world with nuclear weapons. Nowadays, there are over 1 billion (that's with a 'b') personal computers in use around the world (not to mention smart phones, tablets and embedded controllers), which are each approx 1 billion (that's with a 'b') times more powerful than the computers that inspired Mr. Forbin's pet project. When some insidious computer virus hooks them all together under one user's control, then we have something to worry about. Fortunately, most of those computers are kept very busy sending/receiving email, buying/selling unnecessary stuff and, of course, downloading porn. On 11/18/2014 9:11 AM, 'jvragu47' via R/C Tank Combat wrote: When referring to 1970 you must consider Mr Forbin's, Project Colossus. -- -- You are currently subscribed to the "R/C Tank Combat" group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "R/C Tank Combat" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [TANKS] Re: Remote kill switch
When referring to 1970 you must consider Mr Forbin's, Project Colossus. LOL. On Monday, November 17, 2014 9:30:18 PM UTC-5, Frank Pittelli wrote: > > Skynet? That's like a dial-up modem network from the late 70's compared > to the Tri-Pact Battlefield Management Network scheduled to become > "self-aware" sometime in 2015. > > On 11/17/2014 7:39 PM, Mike Lyons wrote: > > I'm invoking the Skynet clause of our friendship agreement. > -- -- You are currently subscribed to the "R/C Tank Combat" group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "R/C Tank Combat" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [TANKS] Re: Remote kill switch
Actually, we see a random "glitch out" every battle, but it's not the electronics, it's the humanoid operating the electronics ;-) The Tri-Pact Battlefield Management System (TP-BMS) will eliminate all such problems ... and we do mean "eliminate"! On 11/18/2014 7:52 AM, isaac goldman wrote: And every fourth battle someone will randomly glitch out and the battle will be ordered replayed. I can hardly wait. -- -- You are currently subscribed to the "R/C Tank Combat" group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "R/C Tank Combat" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [TANKS] Re: Remote kill switch
^^Great, itll be just like FIRST robotics; first we will loiter around for 15 minutes while an IT guru does something so we can connect. And every fourth battle someone will randomly glitch out and the battle will be ordered replayed. I can hardly wait. Can we also ban all 2.4Ghz gear? That digital stuff is too noise-resistant; real men battle for control against everything and anything leaking RF :P On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 9:30 PM, Frank Pittelli wrote: > Skynet? That's like a dial-up modem network from the late 70's compared > to the Tri-Pact Battlefield Management Network scheduled to become > "self-aware" sometime in 2015. > > On 11/17/2014 7:39 PM, Mike Lyons wrote: > >> I'm invoking the Skynet clause of our friendship agreement. >> > > -- > -- > You are currently subscribed to the "R/C Tank Combat" group. > To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com > To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat > > --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "R/C Tank Combat" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- Isaac Goldman 5142334423 This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. -- -- You are currently subscribed to the "R/C Tank Combat" group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "R/C Tank Combat" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [TANKS] Re: Remote kill switch
Skynet? That's like a dial-up modem network from the late 70's compared to the Tri-Pact Battlefield Management Network scheduled to become "self-aware" sometime in 2015. On 11/17/2014 7:39 PM, Mike Lyons wrote: I'm invoking the Skynet clause of our friendship agreement. -- -- You are currently subscribed to the "R/C Tank Combat" group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "R/C Tank Combat" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [TANKS] Re: Remote kill switch
I'm invoking the Skynet clause of our friendship agreement. On Monday, November 17, 2014 1:43:31 PM UTC-5, Frank Pittelli wrote: > > ... Based on those studies, we should remove all humans from the equation > and just let the tanks battle each other. ... -- -- You are currently subscribed to the "R/C Tank Combat" group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "R/C Tank Combat" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [TANKS] Re: Remote kill switch
True Story: Before the Internet existed, a company called Tandem Computers was started by some database exports on the West Coast for the purpose of developing and selling fault-tolerant computer systems to support non-stop database applications. One of the pioneers of such work was Dr. Jim Gray and he conducted a series of real-world studies based on *all* problems cited by Tandem customers over multi-year periods. The overwhelming conclusion of those studies was that people, not hardware, were the cause of most problems. Bear in mind, disk drives crashed in those days relatively often, compared to modern disk drives, so Tandem computers had duplicates of everything, including disks, CPUs, power supplies, back-planes, etc. In many situations, the trained maintenance personnel themselves were responsible for crashing the system. More often than not, the person shutting down half the system to replace a failed disk or power supply (which was routine back then) would shut down the wrong half. The ironic solution was to eliminate certain types of routine maintenance and just let the system keep running. For example, they might need N disks to run, but started with N+4 disks. When the first and second disk fails, they do nothing, waiting until the 3rd disk fails to replace all three. That way, they reduced the likelihood of stupid mistakes, without compromising system reliability. Based on those studies, we should remove all humans from the equation and just let the tanks battle each other. Unfortunately, that means that the Pittelli X-Prize Problem (i.e., autonomous tank operation) needs to be solved and that probably won't happen anytime soon :-) On 11/17/2014 12:57 PM, Mike Lyons wrote: Then we need to solve the correct problem. I propose a remote-controlled device be attached to each operator with the capability to remove said operator from the control process. -- -- You are currently subscribed to the "R/C Tank Combat" group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "R/C Tank Combat" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [TANKS] Re: Remote kill switch
Then we need to solve the correct problem. I propose a remote-controlled device be attached to each operator with the capability to remove said operator from the control process. For testing purposes the phasers should be set to "Stun". On Monday, November 17, 2014 12:36:57 PM UTC-5, Frank Pittelli wrote: > > For the record, I must note that the "out of control" examples cited by > both Mr. Tyng and Rocket Man were both operator malfunctions. In both > cases, the RC systems were working as designed :-) > ... -- -- You are currently subscribed to the "R/C Tank Combat" group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "R/C Tank Combat" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [TANKS] Re: Remote kill switch
For the record, I must note that the "out of control" examples cited by both Mr. Tyng and Rocket Man were both operator malfunctions. In both cases, the RC systems were working as designed :-) To my knowledge, in 10+ years of battling, we've never had a situation where the tank was running across the field in a manner that required the kill switch to stop it. Of course, we've had numerous examples where the kill switch was inadvertently activated during a battle, thereby rendering the vehicle a sitting (aka. dead) duck. On 11/17/2014 12:15 PM, Doug Conn wrote: The “Marty’s Van” kill switch technique worked for me, too. It must be a magnet for out of control RCTC vehicles. -- -- You are currently subscribed to the "R/C Tank Combat" group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "R/C Tank Combat" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: [TANKS] Re: Remote kill switch
The “Marty’s Van” kill switch technique worked for me, too. It must be a magnet for out of control RCTC vehicles. From: rctankcombat@googlegroups.com [mailto:rctankcombat@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of TyngTech Sent: Monday, November 17, 2014 11:45 AM To: rctankcombat@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [TANKS] Re: Remote kill switch All excellent points. At our current "mobilization level", a hobby standardized kill system is a moot point anyway. Besides, the Cromwell's remote kill system has already been tested and validated. I just have to make sure Marty's van is parked at the correct spot when something goes wrong! ;-) ST On Monday, November 17, 2014 11:38:50 AM UTC-5, Frank Pittelli wrote: Way back in the stone age, my doctoral thesis was on the design of fault-tolerant electronics. A lot has changed in the 25+ years, but reliability theory hasn't changed much since Roman times when the historian Juvenal coined the phrase "Sed quis custodiet ipsos Custodes?" (i.e., But who will guard the guardians themselves?) and an anonymous sanitation engineer coined the phrase "Custodite Hoc est simplex stultus" (i.e., Keep It Simple Stupid). So, I ask the question: Is it more reliable or less reliable to add a secondary RC-based control system to a vehicle as a safety cut-off for the primary RC-based control system? Typically, the following topics are addressed when trying to answer such a question: 1) Will the RC-based kill system handle all of the same fault scenarios as the manual cutoff system? 2) Will the RC-based kill system introduce additional fault scenarios that must be handled? 3) Will the RC-based kill system use electro-mechanical parts that are more or less reliable than both the primary RC-based control system and the manual kill system? -- -- You are currently subscribed to the "R/C Tank Combat" group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com <mailto:rctankcombat@googlegroups.com> To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "R/C Tank Combat" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- You are currently subscribed to the "R/C Tank Combat" group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "R/C Tank Combat" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [TANKS] Re: Remote kill switch
All excellent points. At our current "mobilization level", a hobby standardized kill system is a moot point anyway. Besides, the Cromwell's remote kill system has already been tested and validated. I just have to make sure Marty's van is parked at the correct spot when something goes wrong! ;-) ST On Monday, November 17, 2014 11:38:50 AM UTC-5, Frank Pittelli wrote: > > Way back in the stone age, my doctoral thesis was on the design of > fault-tolerant electronics. A lot has changed in the 25+ years, but > reliability theory hasn't changed much since Roman times when the > historian Juvenal coined the phrase "Sed quis custodiet ipsos Custodes?" > (i.e., But who will guard the guardians themselves?) and an anonymous > sanitation engineer coined the phrase "Custodite Hoc est simplex > stultus" (i.e., Keep It Simple Stupid). > > So, I ask the question: Is it more reliable or less reliable to add a > secondary RC-based control system to a vehicle as a safety cut-off for > the primary RC-based control system? > > Typically, the following topics are addressed when trying to answer such > a question: > > 1) Will the RC-based kill system handle all of the same fault scenarios > as the manual cutoff system? > > 2) Will the RC-based kill system introduce additional fault scenarios > that must be handled? > > 3) Will the RC-based kill system use electro-mechanical parts that are > more or less reliable than both the primary RC-based control system and > the manual kill system? > -- -- You are currently subscribed to the "R/C Tank Combat" group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "R/C Tank Combat" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [TANKS] Re: Remote kill switch
Way back in the stone age, my doctoral thesis was on the design of fault-tolerant electronics. A lot has changed in the 25+ years, but reliability theory hasn't changed much since Roman times when the historian Juvenal coined the phrase "Sed quis custodiet ipsos Custodes?" (i.e., But who will guard the guardians themselves?) and an anonymous sanitation engineer coined the phrase "Custodite Hoc est simplex stultus" (i.e., Keep It Simple Stupid). So, I ask the question: Is it more reliable or less reliable to add a secondary RC-based control system to a vehicle as a safety cut-off for the primary RC-based control system? Typically, the following topics are addressed when trying to answer such a question: 1) Will the RC-based kill system handle all of the same fault scenarios as the manual cutoff system? 2) Will the RC-based kill system introduce additional fault scenarios that must be handled? 3) Will the RC-based kill system use electro-mechanical parts that are more or less reliable than both the primary RC-based control system and the manual kill system? -- -- You are currently subscribed to the "R/C Tank Combat" group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "R/C Tank Combat" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [TANKS] Re: Remote kill switch
Some remotes Like the Spectrum remotes have full channel failsafe. This means that at low battery voltage or loss of radio signal they will go to the failsafe position on all channels. This could be used to kill the tank in these situations. They also make an add on failsafe to control 1 channel. these are usually used to kill the throttle on RC cars so they don't run away when they run out of radio range or low battery. Tod - Original Message - From: "Jacob" To: rctankcombat@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2014 11:53:25 PM Subject: [TANKS] Re: Remote kill switch This is where a league rules have to be determined as to how many tanks are to be in a battle. Its not hard to come up with a remote control, 10 or 12 channel switch, that could be individually installed into each tank (up to 12 tanks).. Here is a 12 channel remote control: http://www.ebay.com/itm/DC12V-12Channel-Relay-RF-Switch-Remote-Control-Transmitter-Receiver-315MHz-/151373480251?pt=Home_Automation_Controls_Touchscreens&hash=item233e90013b On Friday, November 7, 2014 9:50:26 AM UTC-7, TyngTech wrote: This is something I'd like to see but it needs to be expanded to a global remote to kill all tanks in an event. Though our tanks are supposed to have external kill switches, the fact is that I doubt any of our battlers could easily shut their vehicles down (manually) while it was running full bore over uneven ground. I know I'd have an issue killing an errant Cromwell. ST On Wednesday, August 13, 2014 10:22:51 PM UTC-4, Replicant wrote: Long time lurker here. I thought this was an interesting idea. Not exactly how viable it is with all the radio controls and interference. Remote Kill Switch Christopher 'lots of ideas yet to start' Crabb -- -- You are currently subscribed to the "R/C Tank Combat" group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "R/C Tank Combat" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout . -- -- You are currently subscribed to the "R/C Tank Combat" group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "R/C Tank Combat" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [TANKS] Re: Remote kill switch
Gee guys, I hope that the NHTSA (national hobby tank safety administration) Czar is not a lurker on this site. Otherwise we might have speed limits imposed if you keep up this type of chatter. LOL. On Friday, November 7, 2014 2:15:59 PM UTC-5, lo...@fieldofarmortanks.com wrote: > > Let alone catch up with your monster at full speed? I run marathon, and 7 > mph is a healthy speed in cross country! > -- -- You are currently subscribed to the "R/C Tank Combat" group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "R/C Tank Combat" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: [TANKS] Re: Remote kill switch
Let alone catch up with your monster at full speed? I run marathon, and 7 mph is a healthy speed in cross country! -- -- You are currently subscribed to the "R/C Tank Combat" group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "R/C Tank Combat" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. <>