Re: [RDA-L] Bible. New Testament. Syriac. Peshitta--relationship designator for "text prepared by"?

[Dana Van Meter]

Thank you Michael.  I will stick with editor, I guess it really is the
most fitting.  I am cataloging this as a set.  Unfortunately the
publishers did not number the volumes, but some institutions have taken to
assigning volume numbers to the volumes.  I'm following the University of
Chicago's numbering of the volumes, and will just hope that we all get
future volumes at the same time and don't start to disagree with our
assigned volume numbering.  

 

Thanks again for your help.

Best,

Dana

 

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designator for "text prepared by"?

 

I think "editor" would be just fine.  I would be inclined to catalog this
as a set, and I think Kiraz's name is the only one you need to trace -
most people will not remember the other editors and translators.  If there
is another name that is found on every volume, you could trace that as
well.

 

Michael S. Borries

Cataloger, City University of New York

151 East 25th Street, 5th Floor

New York, NY  10010

Phone: (646) 312-1687

Email: michael.borr...@mail.cuny.edu

 

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Subject: [RDA-L] Bible. New Testament. Syriac. Peshitta--relationship
designator for "text prepared by"?

 

Hello,

I'm cataloging The Syriac Peshitta Bible with English translation,
published by Gorgias Press, 2012-. Each volume lists translators
("translated by"), and a person (or persons) said to have prepared the
text ("text prepared by"). George A. Kiraz is listed as the General editor
in the write up at the publisher's website:
http://www.gorgiaspress.com/bookshop/p-59841-kiraz-george-a-the-antioch-bi
ble--the-syriac-peshitta-bible-with-english-translation-individual-subscri
ption-75vol.aspx, however the title pages of the individual volumes just
list him after "text prepared by", and sometimes there is another
individual who has prepared the text for a particular volume in addition
to George A. Kiraz.  Does anyone have any ideas on what would be a good
relationship designator for the individuals who have "prepared the text"?
I used editor, but I'm not really happy with that, although I'm stumped
for what else might work.  Would appreciate any thoughts others might
have.

Thanks very much,

Dana Van Meter

Catalog Librarian

Historical Studies-Social Science Library

Institute for Advanced Study

Princeton, NJ 08540

vanme...@ias.edu

Re: [RDA-L] SOR from copyright statement

[Joan Wang]

I agree with Deborah. I would verify the illustrator from other sources,
and bracket the statement.

Thanks,
Joan Wang


On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 3:02 PM, Deborah Fritz wrote:

> The data entry instruction for the SOR element is:
> 2.4.2.3 "Record statements of responsibility relating to title proper by
> applying the basic instructions at 2.4.1."
> And, 2.4.1.4 "Transcribe a statement of responsibility as it appears on the
> source of information"
>
> Remember that a Statement of Responsibility is a *statement* from the
> resource about responsibility. A copyright statement, is a copyright
> statement, it is not a statement of responsibility for anything except
> holding copyright. This is not an RDA-thing; this has always been the case.
>
> But, if further research indicates that the holder of the copyright is
> responsible for anything to do with the resource, you can certainly add a
> relationship (in a 1XX or 7XX responsibility field) for that holder,
> explaining the relationship with a relationship designator, and, if you
> choose, an explanatory note, as Mac suggests.
>
> You could even supply a non-transcribed statement of responsibility in the
> Statement of Responsibility element (245$c), indicating that the statement
> comes from outside the resource by using the square brackets for the
> statement (2.4.2.2 --> 2.2.4 --> LC-PCC PS for 2.2.4) ; but you would want
> to do further research to determine that indicating this responsibility is
> valid, and not simply assume that the holder of the copyright is actually
> responsible for the copyrighted material.
>
> Hope this helps,
> Deborah
> -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -
> Deborah Fritz
> TMQ, Inc.
> debo...@marcofquality.com
> www.marcofquality.com
>
>
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> Subject: Re: [RDA-L] SOR from copyright statement
>
> Kevin posted:
>
> >"Interior illustrations copyright c2012 by Sebastian Ciaffaglione"
>
> The simplest solution might be to use this as a quoted note with "-- Title
> page verso" to justify an added entry.
>
> >I would like to use "interior illustrations ... by Sebastian
> >Ciaffaglione" in the 245 $c ...
>
> Fine by me, following a semicolon, since RDA allows use of data without
> brackets from anywhere in the item.  Some might wonder about the use of
> ellipses in the statement of responsibility, since they are omitted before
> "[and # others]".
>
> You could use ellipses in the quoted note.
>
> Whether you do statement of responsibility or the note, I would prefer
> transcribed data to supplied information such as 'illustrations by],
>
>
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Re: [RDA-L] SOR from copyright statement

[Deborah Fritz]

The data entry instruction for the SOR element is:
2.4.2.3 "Record statements of responsibility relating to title proper by
applying the basic instructions at 2.4.1."
And, 2.4.1.4 "Transcribe a statement of responsibility as it appears on the
source of information"

Remember that a Statement of Responsibility is a *statement* from the
resource about responsibility. A copyright statement, is a copyright
statement, it is not a statement of responsibility for anything except
holding copyright. This is not an RDA-thing; this has always been the case.

But, if further research indicates that the holder of the copyright is
responsible for anything to do with the resource, you can certainly add a
relationship (in a 1XX or 7XX responsibility field) for that holder,
explaining the relationship with a relationship designator, and, if you
choose, an explanatory note, as Mac suggests.

You could even supply a non-transcribed statement of responsibility in the
Statement of Responsibility element (245$c), indicating that the statement
comes from outside the resource by using the square brackets for the
statement (2.4.2.2 --> 2.2.4 --> LC-PCC PS for 2.2.4) ; but you would want
to do further research to determine that indicating this responsibility is
valid, and not simply assume that the holder of the copyright is actually
responsible for the copyrighted material.

Hope this helps,
Deborah
-  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  
Deborah Fritz
TMQ, Inc.
debo...@marcofquality.com
www.marcofquality.com


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Subject: Re: [RDA-L] SOR from copyright statement

Kevin posted:

>"Interior illustrations copyright c2012 by Sebastian Ciaffaglione"

The simplest solution might be to use this as a quoted note with "-- Title
page verso" to justify an added entry.

>I would like to use "interior illustrations ... by Sebastian 
>Ciaffaglione" in the 245 $c ...

Fine by me, following a semicolon, since RDA allows use of data without
brackets from anywhere in the item.  Some might wonder about the use of
ellipses in the statement of responsibility, since they are omitted before
"[and # others]".  

You could use ellipses in the quoted note.

Whether you do statement of responsibility or the note, I would prefer
transcribed data to supplied information such as 'illustrations by],


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Re: [RDA-L] SOR from copyright statement

[Kevin M Randall]

A copyright statement is just that:  a statement about the copyright-i.e., who 
owns the copyright.  It is not a statement of responsibility.  It is entirely 
possible for a copyright to be owned by someone other than the creator (for 
example, if it was a work for hire, or if the copyright was transferred, etc.).

If there is other evidence that the name of the person in the copyright 
statement is the creator of the illustrations, then it would be proper to 
include a note.  But a copyright statement does not belong in 245.

Kevin M. Randall
Principal Serials Cataloger
Northwestern University Library
k...@northwestern.edu
(847) 491-2939

Proudly wearing the sensible shoes since 1978!

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Subject: [RDA-L] SOR from copyright statement

I have an illustrated book that has no specific statement of responsibility 
realting to the illustrator anywhere in the resource. There is however, a 
statement on the title page verso that reads "Interior illustrations copyright 
c2012 by Sebastian Ciaffaglione". I can't find any guidance on this anywhere in 
the toolkit or in the LCPS.

I would like to use "interior illustrations ... by Sebastian Ciaffaglione" in 
the 245 $c; is this permissible?

Thanks.

Kevin Roe

Re: [RDA-L] SOR from copyright statement

[Don Charuk]

I thank you all for the clarification. We were unsure on the interpretation of 
the rules regarding order and rigidity of the preferred sources.

Re: [RDA-L] Edition statements

[Robert Maxwell]

First, it's your judgment as to what constitutes an edition statement. If you 
think "Second print" is an edition statement you can record it as is. And in 
this case you have a good argument for the resource with the statement "Seond 
print" being a different edition.

If you're uncomfortable with that you can supply an edition statement, e.g. 
"[Expanded edition]". 2.5.2.2c says you can take an edition statement from 
other sources aside from the resource itself, and "other sources" include your 
own brain. 2.5.2.2c permits this now; in addition the 2013 revision of RDA will 
add a clarification to 2.5.1.4: "Optional addition. If a resource lacks an 
edition statement but is known to contain significant changes from other 
editions, supply an edition statement, if it is considered to be important for 
identification or access." (see 
http://www.rda-jsc.org/docs/6JSC-ALA-10-Sec-final.pdf).

Bob

Robert L. Maxwell
Head, Special Collections and Formats Catalog Dept.
6728 Harold B. Lee Library
Brigham Young University
Provo, UT 84602
(801)422-5568

"We should set an example for all the world, rather than confine ourselves to 
the course which has been heretofore pursued"--Eliza R. Snow, 1842.

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Subject: [RDA-L] Edition statements

I have in hand the "Second print" of a title.  The first printing had 77 pages 
(according to the bib record; 78 according to Amazon, 81 according to Barnes & 
Noble).  The "Second print" has 124 pages, and apparently the same dimensions 
(at least, the height is the same).  I would like to add an explanatory word to 
the edition statement, something like "Second print [expanded]," but this 
doesn't seem to be allowed.  2.5.2.3 allows for adding a word such as "edition" 
or "version" if needed to make the edition statement clear, but nothing else.  
Apparently only a 500 note can be used in my situation.  This would seem to be 
less helpful, since it does not put this information in as prominent a 
position, which would be more helpful to the user (including copy catalogers).  
I wonder if there shouldn't be some re-writing here.

Michael S. Borries
Cataloger, City University of New York
151 East 25th Street, 5th Floor
New York, NY  10010
Phone: (646) 312-1687
Email: michael.borr...@mail.cuny.edu

Re: [RDA-L] Edition statements

[Michael Borries]

To answer Mac's questions, there don't seem to have been unnumbered pages 
involved (except perhaps in the differing paginations of the bib record, 
Amazon, and Barnes & Noble).  There are lab sheets and tests in the second 
print, but not enough, I think, to account for the difference.  It's difficult 
to know what was added.

The OCLC number is 849655048.  The 250 is "Second print" -- this is what 
appears on the piece, so that's what I put in the 250.  I added a 500 ""Second 
print" expanded from first printing."  Interestingly, the copyright had not 
changed, so I have two 264s.

Michael S. Borries
Cataloger, City University of New York
151 East 25th Street, 5th Floor
New York, NY  10010
Phone: (646) 312-1687
Email: michael.borr...@mail.cuny.edu


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From: J. McRee Elrod [mailto:m...@slc.bc.ca] 
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 1:40 PM
To: Michael Borries
Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Edition statements

Michael Borries posted:


>I have in hand the "Second print" of a title [with more pages than the 
>first printing].
  
How about:
  
250  $a[Enlarged version]

500  %a"second printing."

Although that might make it appear it is the second printing of the enlarged 
version.

Perhaps since you have done all that research:

500 $aFirst printed  with nn, nn or nn pages. 

Perhaps the difference in page numbers is due to counting or not counting 
unnumbered pages?

I miss 503, which could have had an explicit statement of printing history.


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Re: [RDA-L] SOR from copyright statement

[Gene Fieg]

And one does miss the LCRI about a t.p. extending from one page to the next.
Somehow the freedom to create ("cataloger's judgment") is getting lost.  In
the past we would have put the illustrator in brackets (it came from one of
the preliminaries) and make an added entry.  That seemed so simple--then.


On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Arthur Liu  wrote:

> The optional omission in RDA 2.4.1.4 says "Do not use a mark of omission
> (…) to indicate" the abridging of an SoR. Not sure if anything else in RDA
> supercedes this?
>
>
>
> Arthur Liu
> Librarian Technician
> Volpe National Transportation Systems Center
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 1:20 PM, J. McRee Elrod  wrote:
>
>> Kevin posted:
>>
>> >"Interior illustrations copyright c2012 by Sebastian Ciaffaglione"
>>
>> The simplest solution might be to use this as a quoted note with "--
>> Title page verso" to justify an added entry.
>>
>> >I would like to use "interior illustrations ... by Sebastian
>> >Ciaffaglione" in the 245 $c ...
>>
>> Fine by me, following a semicolon, since RDA allows use of data
>> without brackets from anywhere in the item.  Some might wonder about
>> the use of ellipses in the statement of responsibility, since they are
>> omitted before "[and # others]".
>>
>> You could use ellipses in the quoted note.
>>
>> Whether you do statement of responsibility or the note, I would prefer
>> transcribed data to supplied information such as 'illustrations by],
>>
>>
>>__   __   J. McRee (Mac) Elrod (m...@slc.bc.ca)
>>   {__  |   / Special Libraries Cataloguing   
>> HTTP://www.slc.bc.ca/
>>   ___} |__ \__
>>
>
>


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Re: [RDA-L] SOR from copyright statement

[Arthur Liu]

The optional omission in RDA 2.4.1.4 says "Do not use a mark of omission
(…) to indicate" the abridging of an SoR. Not sure if anything else in RDA
supercedes this?



Arthur Liu
Librarian Technician
Volpe National Transportation Systems Center






On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 1:20 PM, J. McRee Elrod  wrote:

> Kevin posted:
>
> >"Interior illustrations copyright c2012 by Sebastian Ciaffaglione"
>
> The simplest solution might be to use this as a quoted note with "--
> Title page verso" to justify an added entry.
>
> >I would like to use "interior illustrations ... by Sebastian
> >Ciaffaglione" in the 245 $c ...
>
> Fine by me, following a semicolon, since RDA allows use of data
> without brackets from anywhere in the item.  Some might wonder about
> the use of ellipses in the statement of responsibility, since they are
> omitted before "[and # others]".
>
> You could use ellipses in the quoted note.
>
> Whether you do statement of responsibility or the note, I would prefer
> transcribed data to supplied information such as 'illustrations by],
>
>
>__   __   J. McRee (Mac) Elrod (m...@slc.bc.ca)
>   {__  |   / Special Libraries Cataloguing   
> HTTP://www.slc.bc.ca/
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>

Re: [RDA-L] Edition statements

[Gene Fieg]

I agree.
Whatever happened to "cataloger's judgment" in this case?


On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Michael Borries <
michael.borr...@mail.cuny.edu> wrote:

>  I have in hand the “Second print” of a title.  The first printing had 77
> pages (according to the bib record; 78 according to Amazon, 81 according to
> Barnes & Noble).  The “Second print” has 124 pages, and apparently the same
> dimensions (at least, the height is the same).  I would like to add an
> explanatory word to the edition statement, something like “Second print
> [expanded],” but this doesn’t seem to be allowed.  2.5.2.3 allows for
> adding a word such as “edition” or “version” if needed to make the edition
> statement clear, but nothing else.  Apparently only a 500 note can be used
> in my situation.  This would seem to be less helpful, since it does not put
> this information in as prominent a position, which would be more helpful to
> the user (including copy catalogers).  I wonder if there shouldn’t be some
> re-writing here. 
>
> ** **
>
> Michael S. Borries
>
> Cataloger, City University of New York
>
> 151 East 25th Street, 5th Floor
>
> New York, NY  10010
>
> Phone: (646) 312-1687
>
> Email: michael.borr...@mail.cuny.edu
>
> ** **
>



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Re: [RDA-L] SOR from copyright statement

[J. McRee Elrod]

Kevin posted:

>"Interior illustrations copyright c2012 by Sebastian Ciaffaglione"

The simplest solution might be to use this as a quoted note with "--
Title page verso" to justify an added entry.

>I would like to use "interior illustrations ... by Sebastian
>Ciaffaglione" in the 245 $c ...

Fine by me, following a semicolon, since RDA allows use of data
without brackets from anywhere in the item.  Some might wonder about
the use of ellipses in the statement of responsibility, since they are
omitted before "[and # others]".  

You could use ellipses in the quoted note.

Whether you do statement of responsibility or the note, I would prefer
transcribed data to supplied information such as 'illustrations by],


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Re: [RDA-L] SOR from copyright statement

[Bryan Baldus]

On Thursday, June 20, 2013 12:22 PM, Don Charuk 
[dcha...@torontopubliclibrary.ca] wrote:
>This raises another question. If the author is provided on the title page and 
>the illustrator is provide on the title page verso can they both be transcribe 
>in the statement of the responsibility? Does not the rule 2.4.2.2 state the 
>SOR should come from the same source as the title proper. If so interpreted, 
>would/could you not make a note for the illustrator according to rule 2.20.3?

I would say both can be transcribed in the statement of responsibility/245$c. I 
would justify this by 2.4.1.6 More Than One Statement of Responsibility, "If 
statements of responsibility appear in sources other than the source from which 
the corresponding title, edition, or series information is taken, record them 
in the order that makes the most sense." As I interpret 2.4.2.2, I don't think 
it is limiting statements to coming only from one of those sources.

In some cases (at least one I've worked on so far), I would include a note on 
the source of statements of responsibility not appearing on the title page (for 
example, if the title page had 1 SOR, and the cover and t.p. verso had 2 more 
SORs, I might make a note indicating that the 2nd and 3rd SORs were from the 
cover and title page verso (out of habit from AACR2 practice of bracketing, vs. 
RDA's not bracketing in the 245$c).

I hope this helps,

Bryan Baldus
Senior Cataloger
Quality Books Inc.
The Best of America's Independent Presses
1-800-323-4241x402
bryan.bal...@quality-books.com

Re: [RDA-L] SOR from copyright statement

[Arakawa, Steven]

RDA 2.4.2.2. lists the same source as the title proper only as first in order 
of preference. Second in order of preference is another source within the 
resource. I believe it is the other title that must come from the same source 
as the title proper, but the SoR is not covered by the other title instruction. 
Since an SoR taken from the verso t.p. is within the resource, it isn't 
bracketed.

Steven Arakawa
Catalog Librarian for Training & Documentation  
Catalog & Metada Services   
Sterling Memorial Library. Yale University  
P.O. Box 208240 New Haven, CT 06520-8240 
(203) 432-8286 steven.arak...@yale.edu




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[mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Don Charuk
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 1:22 PM
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
Subject: Re: [RDA-L] SOR from copyright statement

This raises another question. If the author is provided on the title page and 
the illustrator is provide on the title page verso can they both be transcribe 
in the statement of the responsibility? Does not the rule 2.4.2.2 state the SOR 
should come from the same source as the title proper. If so interpreted, 
would/could you not make a note for the illustrator according to rule 2.20.3? 

Re: [RDA-L] SOR from copyright statement

[Myers, John F.]

Don Charuk wrote:
[snip]
If the author is provided on the title page and the illustrator is provide on 
the title page verso can they both be transcribe in the statement of the 
responsibility? Does not the rule 2.4.2.2 state the SOR should come from the 
same source as the title proper. If so interpreted, would/could you not make a 
note for the illustrator according to rule 2.20.3? 

-

It was not my understanding (from various training sources) that 2.4.2.2 
required the SOR to come from the same source as the title proper.  Instead, 
2.4.2.2 offers three options as the source of the SOR, and lists them in order 
of preference.  It does not state that in selecting one option that the others 
are precluded, which is to say, there is no RDA equivalent to AACR2's "chief 
source."  Given that, one may mix-and-match sources to most fully describe the 
resource in hand?  (Remaining mindful that extending the description beyond the 
CORE elements is a matter of cataloger judgment.)

John F. Myers, Catalog Librarian
Schaffer Library, Union College
Schenectady NY 12308

mye...@union.edu
518-388-6623

Re: [RDA-L] No date of publication, first printing

[Deborah Fritz]

My thanks to the folks who sent in feedback on how they would handle my two
date examples. As I suspected, there was considerable variation on how the
dates would be entered for these resources-here is a summary, with some
paraphrasing, and extrapolating, so hopefully I have interpreted all the
replies correctly:

 

Example 1

Verso of book reads:

 

Copyright C 2013

First printing, August 2012

ISBN 9780321832740

 

Use C to supply PubD = 2

264_1 . $c[2013]

 

Use C to supply PubD, add C = 1

264_1 . $c[2013]

264_4 $cC2013



Use 1st Prt to supply PubD,  add C = 4

264_1 . $c[2012]

264_4 $cC2013

 

Use 1st Prt to supply PubD, add PrtD, add C = 1

264_1 . $c[2012]

264_3 . $c2012.

264_4 $cC2013

 

Enter 1st Prt as PubD = 2

264_1 . $c2012.

--

Here is my take on the 1st example:

LC-PCC PS for 2.10.6
   

B) says: "If an item lacking a publication date contains a copyright date
and a date of manufacture and the years differ, supply a date of publication
that corresponds to the copyright date, in square brackets, if it seems
reasonable to assume that date is a likely publication date"

 

C.1) says: "Supply a date of publication that corresponds to the manufacture
date, in square brackets, if it seems reasonable to assume that date is a
likely publication date. For books, this means that the item is assumed to
be the first printing of the edition. Also record the manufacture date as
part of a manufacture statement if determined useful by the cataloger."

 

Email correspondence with LC clarified that since, for books, the first
printing of the edition is assumed to be a likely publication date, if the
item lacking a publication date contains a copyright date and a date of
manufacture and the years differ, supply a date of publication that
corresponds to the first printing date, in square brackets, since it is not
reasonable to assume that the copyright date is a likely publication date,
since it is logical to assume that the first printing date is the more
likely publication date (the resource cannot be published until it is
printed, once it is printed, it is likely to be immediately published, and
publishers have been known to put later copyright dates on resources)

 

I did ask LC to make this a bit more obvious in the LC PCC PS, but I'm not
sure I convinced them that this would be necessary. 

 

So, based on this, I would use 1st Prt to supply PubD, add PrtD, add C *and*
I would also add the note to explain why I used the printing date rather
than the C date (to help  copy catalogers, not patrons):

264_1 . $c[2012]

264_3 . $c2012.

264_4 $cC2013

500 $aFirst printing, 2013.

 


--

Example 2

Verso of book reads:

 

Copyright C 2007

First printed in paperback 2008

ISBN 977-0-300-14333-1 (pbk)

ISBN 978-0-300-12078-3 (alk. Paper)

 

Share hardcover record, but otherwise  use 1st Prt to supply PubD = 3

264_1 . $c[2008]

 

Share hardcover record, but otherwise  use 1st Prt to supply PubD, add C = 4

264_1 . $c[2008]

264_4 $cC2007

 

Share hardcover record, but otherwise  use 1st Prt to supply PubD, add PrtD,
add C = 1

264_1 . $c[2008]

264_3 . $c2008.

264_4 $cC2007

 

Share hardcover record, but otherwise  use 1st Prt as PubD, do not add C
because would be confusing = 1

264_1 . $c2008.



Here is my take on the 2nd example:

 

First, I agree that we would, in the past, add the paperback to the
hardcover record, if the only difference is the binding; but I have to say
that the date difference always bothered me (especially if it actually said
"Paperback published ." rather than "Paperback printing ." ). I know that we
are currently in the 'don't rock the boat' mode while we are still in MARC,
and so will probably continue with this practice, but I am even more uneasy
with it, under RDA thinking.

 

But, let's say there was some indication of a difference, e.g., a reader's
guide added to the paperback. In that case, I would apply the same reasoning
as before from LC-PCC PS for 2.10.6
   and  use 1st Prt to supply PubD, add C and, again, add an
explanatory note about the date I used to supply the PubD.

264_1 . $c[2008]

264_3 . $c2008.

264_4 $cC2007

500 $aFirst printing, 2008.

 


--

 

It is interesting that 3 responses said to use the C date to supply the PubD
, for the 1st example, but no responses said to do that for the 2nd example;
I assume that is because the C was the latest date in the 1st example. To
me, this indicates that clarification at the LC-PCC PS for 2.10.6
   would be very helpful.

 

Re: [RDA-L] SOR from copyright statement

[Don Charuk]

This raises another question. If the author is provided on the title page and 
the illustrator is provide on the title page verso can they both be transcribe 
in the statement of the responsibility? Does not the rule 2.4.2.2 state the SOR 
should come from the same source as the title proper. If so interpreted, 
would/could you not make a note for the illustrator according to rule 2.20.3?

[RDA-L] Edition statements

[Michael Borries]

I have in hand the "Second print" of a title.  The first printing had 77 pages 
(according to the bib record; 78 according to Amazon, 81 according to Barnes & 
Noble).  The "Second print" has 124 pages, and apparently the same dimensions 
(at least, the height is the same).  I would like to add an explanatory word to 
the edition statement, something like "Second print [expanded]," but this 
doesn't seem to be allowed.  2.5.2.3 allows for adding a word such as "edition" 
or "version" if needed to make the edition statement clear, but nothing else.  
Apparently only a 500 note can be used in my situation.  This would seem to be 
less helpful, since it does not put this information in as prominent a 
position, which would be more helpful to the user (including copy catalogers).  
I wonder if there shouldn't be some re-writing here.

Michael S. Borries
Cataloger, City University of New York
151 East 25th Street, 5th Floor
New York, NY  10010
Phone: (646) 312-1687
Email: michael.borr...@mail.cuny.edu

[RDA-L] ALCTS CaMMS Copy Cataloging Interest Group program at ALA Annual 2013

[Hunter,Nancy]

Apologies for duplicate postings:

You are invited to the ALCTS CaMMS Copy Cataloging Interest Group meeting on 
Saturday June 29 at ALA Annual in Chicago:

ALCTS CaMMS Copy Cataloging Interest Group
Saturday June 29, 2013
8:30 am  10:00 am
McCormick Place Convention Center N229

Agenda:

Angela Kinney, African, Latin American & Western European Division, Library of 
Congress
Library of Congress Update

Tricia Mackenzie, Metadata Librarian, George Mason University

RDA & Audiovisual Cataloging

The implementation of RDA has made tremendous waves in the cataloging 
community.  In response to RDA, librarians have developed webinars and 
presentations, and published articles covering the theory behind RDA, the 
differences between AACR2 and RDA, and RDA cataloging for print resources.  
However, there has been less of a focus on RDA cataloging of audiovisual 
materials on a larger scale.  This presentation will cover the differences in 
AACR2 and RDA cataloging of videos, and how these differences play out in the 
MARC record.

Ruth Elder, Cataloging Librarian, Troy University Library, Troy Campus
Erin Boyd, Cataloging/Librarian, Rosa Parks Library, Troy University, 
Montgomery Campus
Olga Casey, Technical Services Librarian, Troy University, Dothan Campus
Audio-Visual Materials and RDA: How to Maintain Consistency in a Multi-Campus 
Library
The implementation of RDA will affect all libraries since the majority of the 
records are AACR2 and will not be converted to RDA. This is especially 
problematic for non-monographic materials because of the shift from GMDs to the 
new 300 fields, among other things. The challenge is how to establish a quality 
and functional catalog in this hybrid environment. For this reason, the 
Catalogers on each campus of Troy University collaborated on the various 
options (cataloger's judgment) offered through RDA and developed "best 
practices" for copy cataloging in our multi-campus library environment. For 
this presentation, we will discuss how we developed these "best practices" for 
Audio-Visual materials, various training methods, and how we are utilizing our 
in-house Technical Services wiki to keep staff up-to-date with practices, 
procedures, and examples as they evolve.


Nancy Chaffin Hunter
Co-chair, ALCTS CaMMS Copy Cataloging Discussion Group
Associate Professor/Metadata Librarian
Colorado State University Libraries
Campus Delivery 1019
Fort Collins, CO 80523-1019
nancy.hun...@colostate.edu
Voice: 970-491-1847
Fax: 970-491-4611

Re: [RDA-L] SOR from copyright statement

[Benjamin A Abrahamse]

It strikes me as a reasonable assumption, that the copyright holder for the 
illustrations is also their creator.  RDA 2.4.2.2 (Statement of responsibility 
relating to title proper--Sources of information) would suggest that verso t.p. 
information can be used as a source of information (see (b)) so I think you can 
use it without brackets.

Another route might be to take the name from verso t.p. and use RDA 2.4.1.7 
"clarification of role":

[illustrated by] Sebastian Ciaffaglione

--Ben

Benjamin Abrahamse
Cataloging Coordinator
Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems
MIT Libraries
617-253-7137

From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access 
[mailto:RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca] On Behalf Of rball...@frontier.com
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 10:09 AM
To: RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca
Subject: [RDA-L] SOR from copyright statement

I have an illustrated book that has no specific statement of responsibility 
realting to the illustrator anywhere in the resource. There is however, a 
statement on the title page verso that reads "Interior illustrations copyright 
c2012 by Sebastian Ciaffaglione". I can't find any guidance on this anywhere in 
the toolkit or in the LCPS.

I would like to use "interior illustrations ... by Sebastian Ciaffaglione" in 
the 245 $c; is this permissible?

Thanks.

Kevin Roe
Supervisor Media Processing
Fort Wayne Community Schools
Fort Wayne IN

Re: [RDA-L] Bible. New Testament. Syriac. Peshitta--relationship designator for "text prepared by"?

[Michael Borries]

I think "editor" would be just fine.  I would be inclined to catalog this as a 
set, and I think Kiraz's name is the only one you need to trace - most people 
will not remember the other editors and translators.  If there is another name 
that is found on every volume, you could trace that as well.

Michael S. Borries
Cataloger, City University of New York
151 East 25th Street, 5th Floor
New York, NY  10010
Phone: (646) 312-1687
Email: michael.borr...@mail.cuny.edu

From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access 
[mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Dana Van Meter
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 7:38 PM
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
Subject: [RDA-L] Bible. New Testament. Syriac. Peshitta--relationship 
designator for "text prepared by"?


Hello,

I'm cataloging The Syriac Peshitta Bible with English translation, published by 
Gorgias Press, 2012-. Each volume lists translators ("translated by"), and a 
person (or persons) said to have prepared the text ("text prepared by"). George 
A. Kiraz is listed as the General editor in the write up at the publisher's 
website: 
http://www.gorgiaspress.com/bookshop/p-59841-kiraz-george-a-the-antioch-bible--the-syriac-peshitta-bible-with-english-translation-individual-subscription-75vol.aspx,
 however the title pages of the individual volumes just list him after "text 
prepared by", and sometimes there is another individual who has prepared the 
text for a particular volume in addition to George A. Kiraz.  Does anyone have 
any ideas on what would be a good relationship designator for the individuals 
who have "prepared the text"?  I used editor, but I'm not really happy with 
that, although I'm stumped for what else might work.  Would appreciate any 
thoughts others might have.

Thanks very much,

Dana Van Meter

Catalog Librarian

Historical Studies-Social Science Library

Institute for Advanced Study

Princeton, NJ 08540

vanme...@ias.edu

[RDA-L] SOR from copyright statement

[rball...@frontier.com]

I have an illustrated book that has no specific statement of responsibility 
realting to the illustrator anywhere in the resource. There is however, a 
statement on the title page verso that reads "Interior illustrations copyright 
c2012 by Sebastian Ciaffaglione". I can't find any guidance on this anywhere in 
the toolkit or in the LCPS. 
 
I would like to use "interior illustrations ... by Sebastian Ciaffaglione" in 
the 245 $c; is this permissible?
 
Thanks.
 
Kevin Roe
Supervisor Media Processing
Fort Wayne Community Schools
Fort Wayne IN