Re: [RDA-L] Conference names without "meeting", "symposium" a.s.o.

[Moore, Richard]

Heidrun

I wouldn't assume that the title of a conference's proceedings was the name of 
the conference itself, without an explicit statement to that effect. It does 
have us scratching our heads occasionally - it's a new issue to deal with, now 
that LCRI 21.1.B1 has bitten the dust.

We were very glad to see the change in practice, though. We started following 
the LCRIs nearly 20 years ago, and it was most frustrating that a conference 
would be considered un-named even in the face of a statement like "these are 
the proceedings of a conference, held as one of a series of conferences at the 
so-and-so conference centre, and the name of the conference is "Fish". 
Un-named. Strictly speaking.

Regards
Richard

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The British Library

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Subject: [RDA-L] Conference names without "meeting", "symposium" a.s.o.

Reading up on the treatment of conferences under RDA, I got a bit worried when 
I came to the question of the name of a conference. There's a very good 
presentation http://www.loc.gov/aba/rda/source/special_topics_conferences.ppt
which, among many other useful things, explains that the name of conference 
does not have to include a word like "meeting", "symposium" 
a.s.o. any longer (slides 3-7).

One of the examples given in the "British Library guide to RDA name authority 
records" (in the Toolkit, under global workflows) is:
111 2_ |a Ritual, Conflict and Consensus: Comparing Case Studies in Asia and 
Europe (Conference) |d (2010 : |c Budmerice, Slovakia)
http://lccn.loc.gov/nb2012014893

So far, so good.

But I find it difficult to imagine how this rule works in practice. In the 
"Ritual" example, there seems to have been explicit information in the book 
which made it clear that "Ritual, Conflict and Consensus: 
Comparing Case Studies in Asia and Europe" really was the name of the event (as 
the 670 field shows).

But I assume that in many cases, all you've got is a resource with some title 
and some indication that the contents of the resource are the proceedings of a 
meeting, symposium or some such, which was held in a certain a place at a 
certain time. The title of the book may be the exact name of the conference (as 
it was held), or it may be something similar to the original name, or maybe the 
conference was called something quite different.

For example, there is a book with the title proper "Johannes Secundus und die 
roemische Liebeslyrik" (Janus Secundus and Roman love poetry). 
In the preface, a symposium in Freiburg in 2002 is mentioned, but without 
giving a formal name of this. After some googling, I have reason to believe 
that the official name of the conference, when it was held, was "4. 
Neulateinisches Symposion" (4th Neo-Latin Symposium). Note that I got this 
information not from the "preferred sources of information in resources 
associated with the corporate body" which should be the first place to look 
(RDA 11.2.2.2), but from "other sources (including reference sources)". So, 
maybe I shouldn't have looked there at all...

But I did, and with this background information I'd now argue that "Johannes 
Secundus und die roemische Liebeslyrik" was not the name of the conference, but 
rather its topic. But if I had only looked at the book (and I really don't 
think German catalogers have much time to spare for research), I might instead 
have decided that "Johannes Secundus und die roemische Liebeslyrik" was the 
name of the conference.

Or should, according to 11.2.2.5.4 Conventional Name (exception for conferences 
etc.), "4. Neulateinisches Symposion" be considered to be the "more general 
name as one of a series of conferences", and "Johannes Secundus und die 
roemische Liebeslyrik" considered to be the "specific name of its own"? Then 
the latter should be chosen as the preferred name of the conference (although I 
can't even be sure that the title of the book exactly reflects the topic as it 
was announced for the symposium).

I do hope somebody can ease my mind and give me some hints as to how these 
things are treated in practice.

Heidrun

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Re: [RDA-L] Conference names without "meeting", "symposium" a.s.o.

[J. McRee Elrod]

Heidrun said:

>But I did, and with this background information I'd now argue that 
>"Johannes Secundus und die roemische Liebeslyrik" was not the name of 
>the conference, but rather its topic.

I don't think access is hampered whichever is chosen, so long as there
are authority cross refeences, and 246s.  I would tend to go with what
is on the item, with a name found by web searching as cross reference
and/or 246.

If the absence of a term in the name indicating that it is a meeting,
the addition of number (if any), date, and place, to the name makes
that clear it seems to me.

If the name of the conference is also the title proper, I think we
lost clarity by no longer being able to add "[proceedings]".


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Re: [RDA-L] Qualifying access points

[J. McRee Elrod]

Heidrun said:

>The thing which triggered of my initial question were references from 
>shorter forms of the name.
 
If the place is part of the corporate body name, obviously a
geographical qualifier is not needed for the name used as an entry.  If
removing that geographic name for a cross reference, should it not
then be a qualifier at the end of the shorter form of the name?  It
need not be keyed in searching, but would clearly indicate the body to
which the cross reference points.


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[RDA-L] Conference names without "meeting", "symposium" a.s.o.

[Heidrun Wiesenmüller]

Reading up on the treatment of conferences under RDA, I got a bit 
worried when I came to the question of the name of a conference. There's 
a very good presentation

http://www.loc.gov/aba/rda/source/special_topics_conferences.ppt
which, among many other useful things, explains that the name of 
conference does not have to include a word like "meeting", "symposium" 
a.s.o. any longer (slides 3-7).


One of the examples given in the "British Library guide to RDA name 
authority records" (in the Toolkit, under global workflows) is:
111 2_ |a Ritual, Conflict and Consensus: Comparing Case Studies in Asia 
and Europe (Conference) |d (2010 : |c Budmerice, Slovakia)

http://lccn.loc.gov/nb2012014893

So far, so good.

But I find it difficult to imagine how this rule works in practice. In 
the "Ritual" example, there seems to have been explicit information in 
the book which made it clear that "Ritual, Conflict and Consensus: 
Comparing Case Studies in Asia and Europe" really was the name of the 
event (as the 670 field shows).


But I assume that in many cases, all you've got is a resource with some 
title and some indication that the contents of the resource are the 
proceedings of a meeting, symposium or some such, which was held in a 
certain a place at a certain time. The title of the book may be the 
exact name of the conference (as it was held), or it may be something 
similar to the original name, or maybe the conference was called 
something quite different.


For example, there is a book with the title proper "Johannes Secundus 
und die roemische Liebeslyrik" (Janus Secundus and Roman love poetry). 
In the preface, a symposium in Freiburg in 2002 is mentioned, but 
without giving a formal name of this. After some googling, I have reason 
to believe that the official name of the conference, when it was held, 
was "4. Neulateinisches Symposion" (4th Neo-Latin Symposium). Note that 
I got this information not from the "preferred sources of information in 
resources associated with the corporate body" which should be the first 
place to look (RDA 11.2.2.2), but from "other sources (including 
reference sources)". So, maybe I shouldn't have looked there at all...


But I did, and with this background information I'd now argue that 
"Johannes Secundus und die roemische Liebeslyrik" was not the name of 
the conference, but rather its topic. But if I had only looked at the 
book (and I really don't think German catalogers have much time to spare 
for research), I might instead have decided that "Johannes Secundus und 
die roemische Liebeslyrik" was the name of the conference.


Or should, according to 11.2.2.5.4 Conventional Name (exception for 
conferences etc.), "4. Neulateinisches Symposion" be considered to be 
the "more general name as one of a series of conferences", and "Johannes 
Secundus und die roemische Liebeslyrik" considered to be the "specific 
name of its own"? Then the latter should be chosen as the preferred name 
of the conference (although I can't even be sure that the title of the 
book exactly reflects the topic as it was announced for the symposium).


I do hope somebody can ease my mind and give me some hints as to how 
these things are treated in practice.


Heidrun

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Prof. Heidrun Wiesenmueller M.A.
Stuttgart Media University
Wolframstr. 32, 70191 Stuttgart, Germany
www.hdm-stuttgart.de/bi

Re: [RDA-L] Qualifying access points

[Heidrun Wiesenmüller]

Following this lively discussion, I find it harder and harder to make up 
my own mind...


With persons, I believe that (as I've said before) using dates as a 
means of distinction doesn't really help a lot. And as long as the data 
from the authority record is easily accessible (which it is in many 
German catalogs) there is probably no real need for unique text strings 
here.


I'm not so sure about corporate bodies. Here, I believe it may be really 
confusing for patrons if they see what looks like the same thing twice 
(maybe because one doesn't expect several corporate bodies to have the 
same name as one does expect several people to have the same name?).


The thing which triggered of my initial question were references from 
shorter forms of the name. For example, in German cataloguing it's quite 
common to make a reference from a shorter form when the name of the 
corporate body starts with a geographical adjective, as this might be 
easily omitted in a search. I'm not sure that this kind of reference as 
is common in Anglo-American cataloguing, though (I think not).


Now, if you leave out the geographical adjective, you can easily end up 
with similar forms for different corporate bodies. E.g., there is a 
"Deutsche Gesellschaft fuer Psychologie" (German Society for Psychology) 
and an "Oesterreichische Gesellschaft fuer Psychologie" (Austrian 
Society for Psychology). The authorized access points are distinct, but 
if you leave out the geographical adjectives, then you end up with 
"Gesellschaft fuer Psychologie" in both cases. I really think that these 
things need to be qualified by "(Germany)" or "(Austria)" to make them 
work in an index, and I was a bit amazed to find that RDA doesn't seem 
to require this.


Of course, an alternative might be to automatically show bits from the 
rest of the authority record to allow for identification. German 
authority records for corporate bodies include ISO codes for the 
countries, so "Germany" and "Austria" could, in principle, be always 
shown in addition to the name. On the other hand, I wouldn't want 
"Germany" and "Austria" to show up together with the preferred names of 
these corporate bodies, which already include this information. So, a 
purely automatic solution seems a bit difficult here. At least, more so 
than with persons, where it's safe to say that information like country 
and profession will always be useful.


Interestingly, the German RAK rules have the concept of a "localized 
corporate body" (in German: ortsgebundene Koerperschaft) in contrast to 
a "non-localized corporate body". National societies like the ones I 
mentioned before are non-localized. Examples for localized corporate 
bodies include everything which is purely local, e.g. a local sports 
club, and also corporate bodies with a stationary facility like museums, 
schools, a.s.o. For a localized corporate body, the place is always 
added in angle brackets. So, the heading for my former library, the 
Wuerttembergische Landesbibliothek (Wurttemberg State Library) in 
Stuttgart, according to RAK is "Wuerttembergische Landesbibliothek 
". If you leave out the geographical adjective at the 
beginning, you're still left with a distinct access point, 
"Landesbibliothek ", which cannot be mixed up with other 
State Libraries.


So, the concept of localized corporate body certainly had some 
advantages. But it's already history, as we abandoned this rule in 2012 
in order to move closer to RDA. So, now the authorized access point for 
this library is "Wuerttembergische Landesbibliothek" only, without the 
"Stuttgart", because the place is not part of the name.


Heidrun




Mac said:

Thomas said:


I already make extensive use of that data in the new RDA-based MARC
authority fields when checking authority records. RDA authority
records are a delight to work with, even with the few odd updates to
access points such as spelled out terms.


What good does recording this data in an authority record accomplish
if patrons have no access to it?  Some libraries are adding "discovery
layers" which make no use of authorities at all.
  
To help patrons, the qualifying data should show up in hitlists, i.e.,

be part of the access point (aka entry).


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Prof. Heidrun Wiesenmueller M.A.
Stuttgart Media University
Wolframstr. 32, 70191 Stuttgart, Germany
www.hdm-stuttgart.de/bi

[RDA-L] LINKED DATA & THE LIBRARY - NOTSL FALL MEETING, NOV. 22, 2013 - Registration now open

[Kathleen Lamantia]

Northern Ohio Technical Services Librarians (NOTSL) is pleased to present our 
Fall program on linked data and libraries.  Our speakers are:

Dr. Marcia Zeng, Professor of Library and Information Science at Kent State 
University, will be our morning speaker.  Dr. Zeng holds a Ph.D. from the 
School of Information Sciences at University of Pittsburgh and an M.A. from 
Wuhan University in China. Her major research interests include knowledge 
organization systems (taxonomy, thesaurus, ontology, etc), Linked Data, 
metadata and markup languages, database quality control, multilingual and 
multi-culture information processing, and digital libraries for cultural 
objects.  Dr. Zeng will provide an overview of Linked Data principles.

Jennifer Bowen, Assistant Dean, Information Management Services, University of 
Rochester and co-author of "RDA and the eXtensible Catalog" will address how 
linked data can be applied in libraries and why it is important. Ms. Bowen is 
the Chair of the eXtensible Cataloging Organization Board and was a principal 
investigator for the eXtensible Catalog Project at the University of Rochester. 
 She has written and spoken extensively on this topic. Ms. Bowen also was the 
American Library Association Representative to the Joint Steering Committee for 
the Revision of AACR2 from 2004-2007. Jennifer Bowen holds masters degrees in 
library science and historical musicology from the University of Michigan.  She 
has spent her career as a librarian working in the areas of cataloging and 
metadata, initially as a specialist in music cataloging.  In recent years she 
has focused her research on metadata standards development (RDA), the FRBR data 
model, and the use of legacy library metadata in next-generation discovery 
systems.


Date: November 22, 2013

Location:
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Kent Student Center, Room 306
Kent, OH 44242-0001

Registration fee: $45.00,
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Registration and light refreshments: 9:00 a.m. - 9:30 a.m.
Program time: 9:30 a.m. - 3:30 p.m.
Lunch and parking included with registration.
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Re: [RDA-L] Qualifying access points

[James Weinheimer]

On 04/11/2013 22.49, Brenndorfer, Thomas wrote:


If catalogs can't take people to authority records (and some can), Wikipedia 
doesn't seem to mind. It's just a question of programmers matching the data to 
the users. Here are some examples of what's possible when one sees the forest 
of possibilities:

Authority data links from:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elvis_presley


German DNB authority record for Elvis Presley (with all the RDA equivalent 
elements wonderfully accessible for any catalog user):
http://d-nb.info/gnd/118596357/about/html

WorldCat Identities (lots of attribute and relationship elements here, nicely 
meshed together without much thought to restrictions based on what can fit into 
a catalog based on 5X3 cards):
http://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-n78-79487


LC authority data in id.loc.gov:
http://id.loc.gov/authorities/names/n78079487.html
And more RDA goodness here and ready to be integrated when systems are ready: 
http://lccn.loc.gov/n78079487



Looks like something only a cataloger could love. :-)

Of course, Wikipedia itself is not linked data, but dbpedia is derived 
from it and the actual linked data is at: 
http://dbpedia.org/page/Elvis_Presley


Whenever I find myself examining those sites you mention (and there are 
tons more linked data nodes besides these), I am surprised by the amount 
of duplicated effort. Some appear to be just different views of the same 
information, e.g. http://id.loc.gov/authorities/names/n78079487.html and 
http://lccn.loc.gov/n78079487, but others seem to be made separately. 
For instance, do the library authority files simply repeat bits that are 
in the huge dbpedia page? I don't know but it wouldn't surprise me.


The most useful of the sites you mention (besides Wikipedia) seems to me 
to be Worldcat Identities because it appears to create something never 
seen before. And yet, when I have shown this to people (many times, 
actually), they are impressed but have never seen how it could be useful 
for their own needs. I have thought that perhaps the word cloud at the 
bottom could be useful, but as implemented now, it is not. Perhaps if 
the links there included Elvis' heading so that when you click on one, 
you would search Presley, Elvis 1935-1977 and e.g. "popular culture" it 
may be more useful. Or not.


Plus there are some curious glitches. For instance, I was surprised that 
Worldcat Identities claims that the most widely held work *by* Elvis 
Presley is Lilo and Stitch, something I had never heard of. It turns out 
that it is a cartoon that came out long after his death. I have never 
seen it, but Elvis apparently does not make an appearance, although some 
of his songs are in it. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lilo_&_Stitch)


The purpose of authority files has been to help people search related 
catalogs more effectively by providing a series of cross-references. 
That was all they were there for. Authority files are valid only for 
their own catalogs and do not work in catalogs with other rules. VIAF 
may change that. Being able to use the cross-references to help you 
search correctly is a critical function that was lost with the 
introduction of keyword searching.


To expect more of authority files is to take them beyond their function 
and we should not just assume that bringing it all together will be 
useful. To determine whether it would be useful or valid, it would make 
sense to see some practical examples that the public could examine to 
see if it is useful for them. Otherwise, we may wind up building 
something that *we* like, but not something the *public* likes.

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