Re: [RDA-L] Question about preferred title for a compilation
two or more but not all works ... in a particular form means your phrase incomplete works in a single form. (6.2.2.10.3 a) ??? by the way, I feel that a good word would be selected works in single form and selected works not in single form. I think the lack of any subsection in 6.2.2 for compilations by more than one ? person/family/corporate body means there are no special rules for those compilations. In other words, we don't use conventional collective titles for those, so we default to whatever title the compilation is known by (maybe the title proper). Seems to be reasonable. Thanks to Arthur, Joan Wang On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Arthur Liu art@gmail.com wrote: Hi Joan, My understanding is: Complete works means all the works by a person, in all forms that the person worked in. (6.2.2.10.1) Complete works in a single form means all the works by a person in a particular form, e.g. all the plays by a person, but not the novels by that person. (6.2.2.10.2) Other compilations of two or more works means incomplete works, or a compilation of two or more works by a person which does not constitute all the works by that person, and does not constitute all the works by that person in a particular form. (6.2.2.10.3) two or more but not all works ... in a particular form means your phrase incomplete works in a single form. (6.2.2.10.3 a) two or more but not all works ... in various forms means your phrase incomplete works not in a single form. (6.2.2.10.3 b) Your phrase complete works not in a single form is simply 6.2.2.10.1. For example, Person A wrote five plays and five novels. A compilation of all ten works would be 6.2.2.10.1. A compilation of all 5 plays (but no novels) would be 6.2.2.10.2 (same for a compilation of all 5 novels only). A compilation of three of the plays only would be 6.2.2.10.3a. A compilation of two of the plays and three of the novels would be 6.2.2.10.3b. I think the lack of any subsection in 6.2.2 for compilations by more than one person/family/corporate body means there are no special rules for those compilations. In other words, we don't use conventional collective titles for those, so we default to whatever title the compilation is known by (maybe the title proper). Arthur Liu Library Technician John A. Volpe National Transportation Systems Center (U.S.) On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 12:25 PM, Joan Wang jw...@illinoisheartland.orgwrote: Hi, All I have a question about preferred title for a compilation. RDA 6.2.2.10 instructs us to record preferred title for a complication of works of one person/family/corporate body. It is organized by three sections: 6.2.2.10 Recording the Preferred Title for a Compilation of Works of *One Person, Family, or Corporate Body* - 6.2.2.10.1 complete works - 6.2.2.10.2 complete works in single form - 6.2.2.10.3 other complications of two or more works. I have a problem to understand 6.2.2.10.3. First of all, do we really need “of two or more works” in the heading? I assume that a compilation is always composed of more than one. If my understanding is correct, the term *compilation* already tells us that. Secondly, what are included in other complications? If following the logic inherent in the organization of 6.2.2.10. I would expect *incomplete works, complete works not in single form, incomplete works in single form, *and *incomplete works not in single form *after the two sections of *complete works* and *complete works in single form*. Actually under 6.2.2.10.3, it does have a condition: Record the preferred title for each of the works in a compilation that consists of: a) two or more *but not all* the works of one person, family, or corporate body, *in a particular form* or b) two or more *but not* all the works of one person, family, or corporate body, *in various forms*. Does a) condition means complete works not in single form and incomplete works not in single form? And b) means incomplete works? I assume that for these other compilations, we can record the preferred title for each of the works, or, use *Selections*, or, identify the parts collectively by recording a conventional collective title as applicable, followed by *Selections, *such as* Novels. Selections*.* *But RDA does not mention an alternative for *Selections*. Or we cannot use *Selections *at all? Also, is there a section for a compilation of works by more than one person/family/corporate body? RDA 6.27.1.4 (Compilations of Works by Different Persons, Families, or Corporate Bodies) does refer to 6.2.2 for constructing preferred title for a compilation of works by different persons, families, or corporate bodies. But I cannot find a relevant section under 6.2.2. I would expect that after 6.2.2.10. Any clarification would be appreciated. Thanks, Joan Wang Illinois Heartland Library System -- Zhonghong (Joan) Wang, Ph.D. Cataloger
Re: [RDA-L] Question about preferred title for a compilation
I think the lack of any subsection in 6.2.2 for compilations by more than one ? person/family/corporate body means there are no special rules for those compilations. In other words, we don't use conventional collective titles for those, so we default to whatever title the compilation is known by (maybe the title proper). I still think that the preferred tile for a work is different from a title proper found in a manifestation. So some instructions or references would be helpful. Thanks, Joan Wang On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Joan Wang jw...@illinoisheartland.orgwrote: two or more but not all works ... in a particular form means your phrase incomplete works in a single form. (6.2.2.10.3 a) ??? by the way, I feel that a good word would be selected works in single form and selected works not in single form. I think the lack of any subsection in 6.2.2 for compilations by more than one ? person/family/corporate body means there are no special rules for those compilations. In other words, we don't use conventional collective titles for those, so we default to whatever title the compilation is known by (maybe the title proper). Seems to be reasonable. Thanks to Arthur, Joan Wang On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Arthur Liu art@gmail.com wrote: Hi Joan, My understanding is: Complete works means all the works by a person, in all forms that the person worked in. (6.2.2.10.1) Complete works in a single form means all the works by a person in a particular form, e.g. all the plays by a person, but not the novels by that person. (6.2.2.10.2) Other compilations of two or more works means incomplete works, or a compilation of two or more works by a person which does not constitute all the works by that person, and does not constitute all the works by that person in a particular form. (6.2.2.10.3) two or more but not all works ... in a particular form means your phrase incomplete works in a single form. (6.2.2.10.3 a) two or more but not all works ... in various forms means your phrase incomplete works not in a single form. (6.2.2.10.3 b) Your phrase complete works not in a single form is simply 6.2.2.10.1. For example, Person A wrote five plays and five novels. A compilation of all ten works would be 6.2.2.10.1. A compilation of all 5 plays (but no novels) would be 6.2.2.10.2 (same for a compilation of all 5 novels only). A compilation of three of the plays only would be 6.2.2.10.3a. A compilation of two of the plays and three of the novels would be 6.2.2.10.3b. I think the lack of any subsection in 6.2.2 for compilations by more than one person/family/corporate body means there are no special rules for those compilations. In other words, we don't use conventional collective titles for those, so we default to whatever title the compilation is known by (maybe the title proper). Arthur Liu Library Technician John A. Volpe National Transportation Systems Center (U.S.) On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 12:25 PM, Joan Wang jw...@illinoisheartland.orgwrote: Hi, All I have a question about preferred title for a compilation. RDA 6.2.2.10 instructs us to record preferred title for a complication of works of one person/family/corporate body. It is organized by three sections: 6.2.2.10 Recording the Preferred Title for a Compilation of Works of *One Person, Family, or Corporate Body* - 6.2.2.10.1 complete works - 6.2.2.10.2 complete works in single form - 6.2.2.10.3 other complications of two or more works. I have a problem to understand 6.2.2.10.3. First of all, do we really need “of two or more works” in the heading? I assume that a compilation is always composed of more than one. If my understanding is correct, the term *compilation* already tells us that. Secondly, what are included in other complications? If following the logic inherent in the organization of 6.2.2.10. I would expect *incomplete works, complete works not in single form, incomplete works in single form, *and *incomplete works not in single form *after the two sections of *complete works* and *complete works in single form*. Actually under 6.2.2.10.3, it does have a condition: Record the preferred title for each of the works in a compilation that consists of: a) two or more *but not all* the works of one person, family, or corporate body, *in a particular form* or b) two or more *but not* all the works of one person, family, or corporate body, *in various forms*. Does a) condition means complete works not in single form and incomplete works not in single form? And b) means incomplete works? I assume that for these other compilations, we can record the preferred title for each of the works, or, use *Selections*, or, identify the parts collectively by recording a conventional collective title as applicable, followed by *Selections, *such as* Novels. Selections*.* *But RDA does not mention an alternative for *Selections*. Or we
Re: [RDA-L] Question about preferred title for a compilation
Let me rephrase my question. Thanks to Arthur's help. Does 6.2.2.10.3 other compilations includes selected works in a single form, and selected works not in a single form? If it is, the languages of the rule is too grey :) For both categories, RDA tells us to record the preferred title for each of the works in a compilation. It also has an alternative: identify the parts collectively by recording a conventional collective title as applicable, followed by *Selections*. The example is *Novels. Selections*. I wonder how effective the alternative can be in the application of selected works not in a single form. A simple *Selections *seems to be more reasonable. Thanks for your time. I am also tired with the question :) Have a wonderful weekend! Joan Wang On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 12:35 PM, Joan Wang jw...@illinoisheartland.orgwrote: I think the lack of any subsection in 6.2.2 for compilations by more than one ? person/family/corporate body means there are no special rules for those compilations. In other words, we don't use conventional collective titles for those, so we default to whatever title the compilation is known by (maybe the title proper). I still think that the preferred tile for a work is different from a title proper found in a manifestation. So some instructions or references would be helpful. Thanks, Joan Wang On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Joan Wang jw...@illinoisheartland.orgwrote: two or more but not all works ... in a particular form means your phrase incomplete works in a single form. (6.2.2.10.3 a) ??? by the way, I feel that a good word would be selected works in single form and selected works not in single form. I think the lack of any subsection in 6.2.2 for compilations by more than one ? person/family/corporate body means there are no special rules for those compilations. In other words, we don't use conventional collective titles for those, so we default to whatever title the compilation is known by (maybe the title proper). Seems to be reasonable. Thanks to Arthur, Joan Wang On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Arthur Liu art@gmail.com wrote: Hi Joan, My understanding is: Complete works means all the works by a person, in all forms that the person worked in. (6.2.2.10.1) Complete works in a single form means all the works by a person in a particular form, e.g. all the plays by a person, but not the novels by that person. (6.2.2.10.2) Other compilations of two or more works means incomplete works, or a compilation of two or more works by a person which does not constitute all the works by that person, and does not constitute all the works by that person in a particular form. (6.2.2.10.3) two or more but not all works ... in a particular form means your phrase incomplete works in a single form. (6.2.2.10.3 a) two or more but not all works ... in various forms means your phrase incomplete works not in a single form. (6.2.2.10.3 b) Your phrase complete works not in a single form is simply 6.2.2.10.1. For example, Person A wrote five plays and five novels. A compilation of all ten works would be 6.2.2.10.1. A compilation of all 5 plays (but no novels) would be 6.2.2.10.2 (same for a compilation of all 5 novels only). A compilation of three of the plays only would be 6.2.2.10.3a. A compilation of two of the plays and three of the novels would be 6.2.2.10.3b. I think the lack of any subsection in 6.2.2 for compilations by more than one person/family/corporate body means there are no special rules for those compilations. In other words, we don't use conventional collective titles for those, so we default to whatever title the compilation is known by (maybe the title proper). Arthur Liu Library Technician John A. Volpe National Transportation Systems Center (U.S.) On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 12:25 PM, Joan Wang jw...@illinoisheartland.org wrote: Hi, All I have a question about preferred title for a compilation. RDA 6.2.2.10 instructs us to record preferred title for a complication of works of one person/family/corporate body. It is organized by three sections: 6.2.2.10 Recording the Preferred Title for a Compilation of Works of *One Person, Family, or Corporate Body* - 6.2.2.10.1 complete works - 6.2.2.10.2 complete works in single form - 6.2.2.10.3 other complications of two or more works. I have a problem to understand 6.2.2.10.3. First of all, do we really need “of two or more works” in the heading? I assume that a compilation is always composed of more than one. If my understanding is correct, the term *compilation* already tells us that. Secondly, what are included in other complications? If following the logic inherent in the organization of 6.2.2.10. I would expect *incomplete works, complete works not in single form, incomplete works in single form, *and *incomplete works not in single form *after the two sections of *complete works
Re: [RDA-L] Question about preferred title for a compilation
Hi Joan, Yes, I think that is correct: 6.2.2.10.3 a) covers selected works in a single form, and 6.2.2.10.3 b) covers selected works in more than one form (meaning, some of the selections are in one form, and some selections are in different form(s)). In the case of selected works in more than one form, I think we use the conventional collective title *Works. *followed by *Selections* (instead of, for example, *Novels. Selections*). LC prefers the alternative of using these conventional collective titles instead of recording each separate title. What I'm unsure of is, if we do record each separate work's title, how does that work in MARC? Thanks and have a great weekend as well! -Arthur On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 2:08 PM, Joan Wang jw...@illinoisheartland.orgwrote: Let me rephrase my question. Thanks to Arthur's help. Does 6.2.2.10.3 other compilations includes selected works in a single form, and selected works not in a single form? If it is, the languages of the rule is too grey :) For both categories, RDA tells us to record the preferred title for each of the works in a compilation. It also has an alternative: identify the parts collectively by recording a conventional collective title as applicable, followed by *Selections*. The example is *Novels. Selections*. I wonder how effective the alternative can be in the application of selected works not in a single form. A simple *Selections *seems to be more reasonable. Thanks for your time. I am also tired with the question :) Have a wonderful weekend! Joan Wang On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 12:35 PM, Joan Wang jw...@illinoisheartland.orgwrote: I think the lack of any subsection in 6.2.2 for compilations by more than one ? person/family/corporate body means there are no special rules for those compilations. In other words, we don't use conventional collective titles for those, so we default to whatever title the compilation is known by (maybe the title proper). I still think that the preferred tile for a work is different from a title proper found in a manifestation. So some instructions or references would be helpful. Thanks, Joan Wang On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Joan Wang jw...@illinoisheartland.orgwrote: two or more but not all works ... in a particular form means your phrase incomplete works in a single form. (6.2.2.10.3 a) ??? by the way, I feel that a good word would be selected works in single form and selected works not in single form. I think the lack of any subsection in 6.2.2 for compilations by more than one ? person/family/corporate body means there are no special rules for those compilations. In other words, we don't use conventional collective titles for those, so we default to whatever title the compilation is known by (maybe the title proper). Seems to be reasonable. Thanks to Arthur, Joan Wang On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Arthur Liu art@gmail.com wrote: Hi Joan, My understanding is: Complete works means all the works by a person, in all forms that the person worked in. (6.2.2.10.1) Complete works in a single form means all the works by a person in a particular form, e.g. all the plays by a person, but not the novels by that person. (6.2.2.10.2) Other compilations of two or more works means incomplete works, or a compilation of two or more works by a person which does not constitute all the works by that person, and does not constitute all the works by that person in a particular form. (6.2.2.10.3) two or more but not all works ... in a particular form means your phrase incomplete works in a single form. (6.2.2.10.3 a) two or more but not all works ... in various forms means your phrase incomplete works not in a single form. (6.2.2.10.3 b) Your phrase complete works not in a single form is simply 6.2.2.10.1. For example, Person A wrote five plays and five novels. A compilation of all ten works would be 6.2.2.10.1. A compilation of all 5 plays (but no novels) would be 6.2.2.10.2 (same for a compilation of all 5 novels only). A compilation of three of the plays only would be 6.2.2.10.3a. A compilation of two of the plays and three of the novels would be 6.2.2.10.3b. I think the lack of any subsection in 6.2.2 for compilations by more than one person/family/corporate body means there are no special rules for those compilations. In other words, we don't use conventional collective titles for those, so we default to whatever title the compilation is known by (maybe the title proper). Arthur Liu Library Technician John A. Volpe National Transportation Systems Center (U.S.) On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 12:25 PM, Joan Wang jw...@illinoisheartland.org wrote: Hi, All I have a question about preferred title for a compilation. RDA 6.2.2.10 instructs us to record preferred title for a complication of works of one person/family/corporate body. It is organized by three sections: 6.2.2.10 Recording
Re: [RDA-L] Question about preferred title for a compilation
Recording each separate work's title is something we do all the time in music cataloging. In MARC, you use the field 700 12 creator's name. $t title of one work. For each work, you do a new 700 field. When you name all the works this way, RDA (for instance, in 6.2.2.10.3, Alternative) allows you either to stop at that or also to include the conventional collective title, which in MARC would go in the 240. Jean Harden Music Catalog Librarian University of North Texas Denton, TX 76203 jean.har...@unt.edu From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Arthur Liu Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 1:30 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Question about preferred title for a compilation Hi Joan, Yes, I think that is correct: 6.2.2.10.3 a) covers selected works in a single form, and 6.2.2.10.3 b) covers selected works in more than one form (meaning, some of the selections are in one form, and some selections are in different form(s)). In the case of selected works in more than one form, I think we use the conventional collective title Works. followed by Selections (instead of, for example, Novels. Selections). LC prefers the alternative of using these conventional collective titles instead of recording each separate title. What I'm unsure of is, if we do record each separate work's title, how does that work in MARC? Thanks and have a great weekend as well! -Arthur On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 2:08 PM, Joan Wang jw...@illinoisheartland.orgmailto:jw...@illinoisheartland.org wrote: Let me rephrase my question. Thanks to Arthur's help. Does 6.2.2.10.3 other compilations includes selected works in a single form, and selected works not in a single form? If it is, the languages of the rule is too grey :) For both categories, RDA tells us to record the preferred title for each of the works in a compilation. It also has an alternative: identify the parts collectively by recording a conventional collective title as applicable, followed by Selections. The example is Novels. Selections. I wonder how effective the alternative can be in the application of selected works not in a single form. A simple Selections seems to be more reasonable. Thanks for your time. I am also tired with the question :) Have a wonderful weekend! Joan Wang On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 12:35 PM, Joan Wang jw...@illinoisheartland.orgmailto:jw...@illinoisheartland.org wrote: I think the lack of any subsection in 6.2.2 for compilations by more than one ? person/family/corporate body means there are no special rules for those compilations. In other words, we don't use conventional collective titles for those, so we default to whatever title the compilation is known by (maybe the title proper). I still think that the preferred tile for a work is different from a title proper found in a manifestation. So some instructions or references would be helpful. Thanks, Joan Wang On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Joan Wang jw...@illinoisheartland.orgmailto:jw...@illinoisheartland.org wrote: two or more but not all works ... in a particular form means your phrase incomplete works in a single form. (6.2.2.10.3 a) ??? by the way, I feel that a good word would be selected works in single form and selected works not in single form. I think the lack of any subsection in 6.2.2 for compilations by more than one ? person/family/corporate body means there are no special rules for those compilations. In other words, we don't use conventional collective titles for those, so we default to whatever title the compilation is known by (maybe the title proper). Seems to be reasonable. Thanks to Arthur, Joan Wang On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Arthur Liu art@gmail.commailto:art@gmail.com wrote: Hi Joan, My understanding is: Complete works means all the works by a person, in all forms that the person worked in. (6.2.2.10.1) Complete works in a single form means all the works by a person in a particular form, e.g. all the plays by a person, but not the novels by that person. (6.2.2.10.2) Other compilations of two or more works means incomplete works, or a compilation of two or more works by a person which does not constitute all the works by that person, and does not constitute all the works by that person in a particular form. (6.2.2.10.3) two or more but not all works ... in a particular form means your phrase incomplete works in a single form. (6.2.2.10.3 a) two or more but not all works ... in various forms means your phrase incomplete works not in a single form. (6.2.2.10.3 b) Your phrase complete works not in a single form is simply 6.2.2.10.1. For example, Person A wrote five plays and five novels. A compilation of all ten works would be 6.2.2.10.1. A compilation of all 5 plays (but no novels) would be 6.2.2.10.2 (same for a compilation of all 5 novels only). A compilation of three of the plays only
Re: [RDA-L] Question about preferred title for a compilation
The 1XX field relates only to the title in the 240 or 245. Fields 730 and 740 should be used for titles that do not have a personal, family, or corporate body name as part of the authorized access point. There is no inherent relationship between a title given in 7XX (or 8XX) and a name given in 1XX. Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Library k...@northwestern.edumailto:k...@northwestern.edu (847) 491-2939 Proudly wearing the sensible shoes since 1978! From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Joan Wang Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 3:13 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Question about preferred title for a compilation For separate works of one person/family/corporate body, I think that we use 730/740 fields. Thanks, Joan Wang On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 2:01 PM, Harden, Jean jean.har...@unt.edumailto:jean.har...@unt.edu wrote: Recording each separate work's title is something we do all the time in music cataloging. In MARC, you use the field 700 12 creator's name. $t title of one work. For each work, you do a new 700 field. When you name all the works this way, RDA (for instance, in 6.2.2.10.3, Alternative) allows you either to stop at that or also to include the conventional collective title, which in MARC would go in the 240. Jean Harden Music Catalog Librarian University of North Texas Denton, TX 76203 jean.har...@unt.edumailto:jean.har...@unt.edu From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CAmailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Arthur Liu Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 1:30 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CAmailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Question about preferred title for a compilation Hi Joan, Yes, I think that is correct: 6.2.2.10.3 a) covers selected works in a single form, and 6.2.2.10.3 b) covers selected works in more than one form (meaning, some of the selections are in one form, and some selections are in different form(s)). In the case of selected works in more than one form, I think we use the conventional collective title Works. followed by Selections (instead of, for example, Novels. Selections). LC prefers the alternative of using these conventional collective titles instead of recording each separate title. What I'm unsure of is, if we do record each separate work's title, how does that work in MARC? Thanks and have a great weekend as well! -Arthur On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 2:08 PM, Joan Wang jw...@illinoisheartland.orgmailto:jw...@illinoisheartland.org wrote: Let me rephrase my question. Thanks to Arthur's help. Does 6.2.2.10.3 other compilations includes selected works in a single form, and selected works not in a single form? If it is, the languages of the rule is too grey :) For both categories, RDA tells us to record the preferred title for each of the works in a compilation. It also has an alternative: identify the parts collectively by recording a conventional collective title as applicable, followed by Selections. The example is Novels. Selections. I wonder how effective the alternative can be in the application of selected works not in a single form. A simple Selections seems to be more reasonable. Thanks for your time. I am also tired with the question :) Have a wonderful weekend! Joan Wang On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 12:35 PM, Joan Wang jw...@illinoisheartland.orgmailto:jw...@illinoisheartland.org wrote: I think the lack of any subsection in 6.2.2 for compilations by more than one ? person/family/corporate body means there are no special rules for those compilations. In other words, we don't use conventional collective titles for those, so we default to whatever title the compilation is known by (maybe the title proper). I still think that the preferred tile for a work is different from a title proper found in a manifestation. So some instructions or references would be helpful. Thanks, Joan Wang On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Joan Wang jw...@illinoisheartland.orgmailto:jw...@illinoisheartland.org wrote: two or more but not all works ... in a particular form means your phrase incomplete works in a single form. (6.2.2.10.3 a) ??? by the way, I feel that a good word would be selected works in single form and selected works not in single form. I think the lack of any subsection in 6.2.2 for compilations by more than one ? person/family/corporate body means there are no special rules for those compilations. In other words, we don't use conventional collective titles for those, so we default to whatever title the compilation is known by (maybe the title proper). Seems to be reasonable. Thanks to Arthur, Joan Wang On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Arthur Liu art@gmail.commailto:art@gmail.com wrote: Hi Joan, My understanding is: Complete works means all the works
Re: [RDA-L] Question about preferred title for a compilation
Hi, Kevin Do you mean if a person appears in 100 field, his/her name is still allowed to appear in 700 field for his/her another work? I thought that we would use 730/740 field (with the second indicator 2) for his/her another work in the same compilation. Or both are optional. Thanks for your help. Joan Wang On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 3:21 PM, Kevin M Randall k...@northwestern.eduwrote: The 1XX field relates only to the title in the 240 or 245. Fields 730 and 740 should be used for titles that do not have a personal, family, or corporate body name as part of the authorized access point. There is no inherent relationship between a title given in 7XX (or 8XX) and a name given in 1XX. ** ** Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Library k...@northwestern.edu (847) 491-2939 ** ** Proudly wearing the sensible shoes since 1978! ** ** *From:* Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] *On Behalf Of *Joan Wang *Sent:* Friday, May 24, 2013 3:13 PM *To:* RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA *Subject:* Re: [RDA-L] Question about preferred title for a compilation*** * ** ** For separate works of one person/family/corporate body, I think that we use 730/740 fields. Thanks, Joan Wang ** ** On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 2:01 PM, Harden, Jean jean.har...@unt.edu wrote: Recording each separate work’s title is something we do all the time in music cataloging. In MARC, you use the field 700 12 creator’s name. $t title of one work. For each work, you do a new 700 field. When you name all the works this way, RDA (for instance, in 6.2.2.10.3, Alternative) allows you either to stop at that or also to include the conventional collective title, which in MARC would go in the 240. Jean Harden Music Catalog Librarian University of North Texas Denton, TX 76203 jean.har...@unt.edu *From:* Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] *On Behalf Of *Arthur Liu *Sent:* Friday, May 24, 2013 1:30 PM *To:* RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA *Subject:* Re: [RDA-L] Question about preferred title for a compilation*** * Hi Joan, Yes, I think that is correct: 6.2.2.10.3 a) covers selected works in a single form, and 6.2.2.10.3 b) covers selected works in more than one form (meaning, some of the selections are in one form, and some selections are in different form(s)). In the case of selected works in more than one form, I think we use the conventional collective title *Works. *followed by *Selections* (instead of, for example, *Novels. Selections*). LC prefers the alternative of using these conventional collective titles instead of recording each separate title. What I'm unsure of is, if we do record each separate work's title, how does that work in MARC? Thanks and have a great weekend as well! -Arthur On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 2:08 PM, Joan Wang jw...@illinoisheartland.org wrote: Let me rephrase my question. Thanks to Arthur's help. Does 6.2.2.10.3 other compilations includes selected works in a single form, and selected works not in a single form? If it is, the languages of the rule is too grey :) For both categories, RDA tells us to record the preferred title for each of the works in a compilation. It also has an alternative: identify the parts collectively by recording a conventional collective title as applicable, followed by *Selections*. The example is *Novels. Selections*. I wonder how effective the alternative can be in the application of selected works not in a single form. A simple *Selections *seems to be more reasonable. Thanks for your time. I am also tired with the question :) Have a wonderful weekend! Joan Wang On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 12:35 PM, Joan Wang jw...@illinoisheartland.org wrote: I think the lack of any subsection in 6.2.2 for compilations by more than one ? person/family/corporate body means there are no special rules for those compilations. In other words, we don't use conventional collective titles for those, so we default to whatever title the compilation is known by (maybe the title proper). I still think that the preferred tile for a work is different from a title proper found in a manifestation. So some instructions or references would be helpful. Thanks, Joan Wang On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Joan Wang jw...@illinoisheartland.org wrote: two or more but not all works ... in a particular form means your phrase incomplete works in a single form. (6.2.2.10.3 a) ??? ** ** by the way, I feel that a good word would be selected works in single form and selected works
Re: [RDA-L] Question about preferred title for a compilation
I'm not Kevin, but yes, definitely it is fine to use the same name in 100 and 700 (or 110 and 710). As Kevin said, the 1xx field has no necessary relation to any title other than that in the 240 or 245. A 730 or 740 does not inherently have anything to do with the 1xx. Jean From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Joan Wang Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 3:36 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Question about preferred title for a compilation Hi, Kevin Do you mean if a person appears in 100 field, his/her name is still allowed to appear in 700 field for his/her another work? I thought that we would use 730/740 field (with the second indicator 2) for his/her another work in the same compilation. Or both are optional. Thanks for your help. Joan Wang On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 3:21 PM, Kevin M Randall k...@northwestern.edumailto:k...@northwestern.edu wrote: The 1XX field relates only to the title in the 240 or 245. Fields 730 and 740 should be used for titles that do not have a personal, family, or corporate body name as part of the authorized access point. There is no inherent relationship between a title given in 7XX (or 8XX) and a name given in 1XX. Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Library k...@northwestern.edumailto:k...@northwestern.edu (847) 491-2939tel:%28847%29%20491-2939 Proudly wearing the sensible shoes since 1978! From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CAmailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Joan Wang Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 3:13 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CAmailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Question about preferred title for a compilation For separate works of one person/family/corporate body, I think that we use 730/740 fields. Thanks, Joan Wang On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 2:01 PM, Harden, Jean jean.har...@unt.edumailto:jean.har...@unt.edu wrote: Recording each separate work's title is something we do all the time in music cataloging. In MARC, you use the field 700 12 creator's name. $t title of one work. For each work, you do a new 700 field. When you name all the works this way, RDA (for instance, in 6.2.2.10.3, Alternative) allows you either to stop at that or also to include the conventional collective title, which in MARC would go in the 240. Jean Harden Music Catalog Librarian University of North Texas Denton, TX 76203 jean.har...@unt.edumailto:jean.har...@unt.edu From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CAmailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Arthur Liu Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 1:30 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CAmailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Question about preferred title for a compilation Hi Joan, Yes, I think that is correct: 6.2.2.10.3 a) covers selected works in a single form, and 6.2.2.10.3 b) covers selected works in more than one form (meaning, some of the selections are in one form, and some selections are in different form(s)). In the case of selected works in more than one form, I think we use the conventional collective title Works. followed by Selections (instead of, for example, Novels. Selections). LC prefers the alternative of using these conventional collective titles instead of recording each separate title. What I'm unsure of is, if we do record each separate work's title, how does that work in MARC? Thanks and have a great weekend as well! -Arthur On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 2:08 PM, Joan Wang jw...@illinoisheartland.orgmailto:jw...@illinoisheartland.org wrote: Let me rephrase my question. Thanks to Arthur's help. Does 6.2.2.10.3 other compilations includes selected works in a single form, and selected works not in a single form? If it is, the languages of the rule is too grey :) For both categories, RDA tells us to record the preferred title for each of the works in a compilation. It also has an alternative: identify the parts collectively by recording a conventional collective title as applicable, followed by Selections. The example is Novels. Selections. I wonder how effective the alternative can be in the application of selected works not in a single form. A simple Selections seems to be more reasonable. Thanks for your time. I am also tired with the question :) Have a wonderful weekend! Joan Wang On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 12:35 PM, Joan Wang jw...@illinoisheartland.orgmailto:jw...@illinoisheartland.org wrote: I think the lack of any subsection in 6.2.2 for compilations by more than one ? person/family/corporate body means there are no special rules for those compilations. In other words, we don't use conventional collective titles for those, so we default to whatever title the compilation is known by (maybe the title proper). I still think
Re: [RDA-L] Question about preferred title for a compilation
Thanks, Jean. I was not aware with that. Joan Wang On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 3:48 PM, Harden, Jean jean.har...@unt.edu wrote: I’m not Kevin, but yes, definitely it is fine to use the same name in 100 and 700 (or 110 and 710). As Kevin said, the 1xx field has no necessary relation to any title other than that in the 240 or 245. A 730 or 740 does not inherently have anything to do with the 1xx. ** ** Jean ** ** *From:* Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] *On Behalf Of *Joan Wang *Sent:* Friday, May 24, 2013 3:36 PM *To:* RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA *Subject:* Re: [RDA-L] Question about preferred title for a compilation*** * ** ** Hi, Kevin Do you mean if a person appears in 100 field, his/her name is still allowed to appear in 700 field for his/her another work? I thought that we would use 730/740 field (with the second indicator 2) for his/her another work in the same compilation. Or both are optional. Thanks for your help. Joan Wang ** ** On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 3:21 PM, Kevin M Randall k...@northwestern.edu wrote: The 1XX field relates only to the title in the 240 or 245. Fields 730 and 740 should be used for titles that do not have a personal, family, or corporate body name as part of the authorized access point. There is no inherent relationship between a title given in 7XX (or 8XX) and a name given in 1XX. Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Library k...@northwestern.edu (847) 491-2939 Proudly wearing the sensible shoes since 1978! *From:* Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] *On Behalf Of *Joan Wang *Sent:* Friday, May 24, 2013 3:13 PM *To:* RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA *Subject:* Re: [RDA-L] Question about preferred title for a compilation*** * For separate works of one person/family/corporate body, I think that we use 730/740 fields. Thanks, Joan Wang On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 2:01 PM, Harden, Jean jean.har...@unt.edu wrote: Recording each separate work’s title is something we do all the time in music cataloging. In MARC, you use the field 700 12 creator’s name. $t title of one work. For each work, you do a new 700 field. When you name all the works this way, RDA (for instance, in 6.2.2.10.3, Alternative) allows you either to stop at that or also to include the conventional collective title, which in MARC would go in the 240. Jean Harden Music Catalog Librarian University of North Texas Denton, TX 76203 jean.har...@unt.edu *From:* Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] *On Behalf Of *Arthur Liu *Sent:* Friday, May 24, 2013 1:30 PM *To:* RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA *Subject:* Re: [RDA-L] Question about preferred title for a compilation*** * Hi Joan, Yes, I think that is correct: 6.2.2.10.3 a) covers selected works in a single form, and 6.2.2.10.3 b) covers selected works in more than one form (meaning, some of the selections are in one form, and some selections are in different form(s)). In the case of selected works in more than one form, I think we use the conventional collective title *Works. *followed by *Selections* (instead of, for example, *Novels. Selections*). LC prefers the alternative of using these conventional collective titles instead of recording each separate title. What I'm unsure of is, if we do record each separate work's title, how does that work in MARC? Thanks and have a great weekend as well! -Arthur On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 2:08 PM, Joan Wang jw...@illinoisheartland.org wrote: Let me rephrase my question. Thanks to Arthur's help. Does 6.2.2.10.3 other compilations includes selected works in a single form, and selected works not in a single form? If it is, the languages of the rule is too grey :) For both categories, RDA tells us to record the preferred title for each of the works in a compilation. It also has an alternative: identify the parts collectively by recording a conventional collective title as applicable, followed by *Selections*. The example is *Novels. Selections*. I wonder how effective the alternative can be in the application of selected works not in a single form. A simple *Selections *seems to be more reasonable. Thanks for your time. I am also tired with the question :) Have a wonderful weekend! Joan Wang On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 12:35 PM, Joan Wang jw...@illinoisheartland.org wrote: I think the lack of any subsection in 6.2.2 for compilations by more than one
Re: [RDA-L] Question about preferred title for a compilation
Arthur Liu posted:
In the case of selected works in more than one form, I think we use the
conventional collective title *Works. *followed by *Selections* (instead
of, for example, *Novels. Selections*).
Wouldn' those conventional titles be 240 uniform titles? Wouldn't
there still need to a a supplied descriptive title in 245, in the
absence of a collective title?
What I'm unsure of is, if we do record each separate work's title,
how does that work in MARC?
I strongly urge us all to *never* do that. But if so:
245 10 $aTitle one ;$bTitle two ; Title three ; Title four /$cby ...
One reason for not doing this, is the difficulty of creating an added
or subject entry for the work.
The $b used to be after the last title, but was moved up, as it should
have been for alternate title. With no GMD, the $b placement is not
as important as it once was.
In the absence of 248, the places for constiutent titles are 505 and
700$a$t. Some clients whose ILS does not index 700$t, like to have
the constituent titles in 740, particularly if the 700 would be the
same as the 100. An advantage of 248 is that the author's name need
not be repeated. Let's hope for such an element in Bibframe.
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Re: [RDA-L] Preferred title of manifestation(Was: Re:Date of publication not identified DtSt, Dates)
Henry Lam he...@silas.org.sg wrote: Do we need a Preferred Title of Manifestation or Authorised Access Point for Manifestation to connect the manifestation to other Group 1 entities? I heard rumblings about doing such a thing a couple years ago. Don't know if it got any further than the I wonder if stage. Where are the rules in RDA? None at present in the manifestation chapters of 1-4, though RDA 6.2.2 and 6.2.3 on preferred and variant titles of works, respectively, (and their sources of information instructions) touch upon this. -- Mark K. Ehlert Minitex http://www.minitex.umn.edu/
[RDA-L] Preferred title of manifestation(Was: Re:Date of publication not identified DtSt, Dates)
Hi Do we need a Preferred Title of Manifestation or Authorised Access Point for Manifestation to connect the manifestation to other Group 1 entities? Where are the rules in RDA? Regards Henry On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 12:09 AM, Snow, Karen ks...@dom.edu wrote: Gene Fieg wrote: Where this reasoning goes is this: Since the 245 has a dual role, why not split it? Currently, the 245 is description and access point. Should we split them? We already do this, though inconsistently, through uniform titles/preferred title of the work, yes? Karen Karen Snow, Ph.D. Assistant Professor Graduate School of Library Information Science Dominican University 7900 West Division Street River Forest, IL 60305 ks...@dom.edumailto:ks...@dom.edu 708-524-6077 (office) 708-524-6657 (fax)
[RDA-L] RDA existing preferred title authority records with multiple languages
I have this situation: There is a personal author NAR that I would like recode as RDA. There is also an AACR2 uniform title NAR for this author with $l Serbian Macedonian. How do I convert the uniform title NAR to an RDA preferred title NAR? Do I need to create a 2nd NAR for one of the languages? Do I need to do anything to the bibliographic record(s) involved? Thanks! Jacqueline Byrd Head, Area Studies Cataloging Section Technical Services Department Herman B Wells Library Indiana University 1320 E. 10th St. Bloomington, IN 47405 TEL: 812-855-4310 FAX: 812-855-7933 b...@indiana.edu
Preferred title ???
I like the German expressions which prompts me to wonder if 'Devised title' or 'Constructed title' would capture in English the essence of Ansetzungsform ... and also convey what these titles really are. Antony Gordon British Library Sound Archive On 5/2/08 09:12, Bernhard Eversberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The newly invented preferred ... is also no good. Preferred by whom? You certainly can't use it in an OPAC help text. Preferred names are frequently artificial and therefore not preferred anywhere outside catalogdom. Say standard ... and non-standard (form of) ... instead, at least at the interface. In German, we have had Ansetzungsform (something like made-up form) for the catalog standard forms of names and titles, and Verweisungsform (reference form) for all the others. I'd much prefer to stick with our words for the impending RDA translation. Why don't we put them on offer as loanwords, at no charge? You also say things like Weltanschauung or Wanderlust and what not. B.Eversberg ** Experience the British Library online at www.bl.uk The British Library's new interactive Annual Report and Accounts 2006/07 : www.bl.uk/mylibrary Help the British Library conserve the world's knowledge. Adopt a Book. www.bl.uk/adoptabook The Library's St Pancras site is WiFi - enabled * The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the [EMAIL PROTECTED] : The contents of this e-mail must not be disclosed or copied without the sender's consent. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the British Library. The British Library does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. *
Re: Preferred title ???
Apologies for posting to list in error. Sylvie Bissonnette -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bissonnette, Sylvie Sent: 02/05/2008 8:25 AM To: RDA-L@INFOSERV.NLC-BNC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Preferred title ??? Was ist das? Sylvie -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bernhard Eversberg Sent: 02/05/2008 5:19 AM To: RDA-L@INFOSERV.NLC-BNC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Preferred title ??? Antony Gordon wrote: I like the German expressions which prompts me to wonder if 'Devised title' or 'Constructed title' would capture in English the essence of Ansetzungsform ... and also convey what these titles really are. Yes, I think they come very close. B.Eversberg
