Re: [RDA-L] RDA 2.4.1.8 Noun Phrase Occurring with a Statement of Responsibility
I think the line between 2.4.1.8 and 2.3.4 is very blurry. In 2.3.4.1, it says Other title information may include any phrase appearing with a title proper that is indicative of the character, contents, etc. of the resource ... That could very well be interpreted as meaning that a phrase such as a novel is other title information; but then 2.4.1.8 is quite helpful when you have something like text by Person A, drawings by Person B. I wouldn't necessarily say that it would be right or wrong to record the phrase a novel by Author C as either (in ISBD form) : a novel / by Author C or / a novel by Author C. It all depends on how the cataloger is interpreting the information. Wouldn't a phrase such as a novel of the Old West fit better as other title information, even if it was connected to the author's name with the word by? On the other hand, it wouldn't affect access very much (if at all?) by being recorded as part of the statement of responsibility. Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Bibliographic Services Dept. Northwestern University Library 1970 Campus Drive Evanston, IL 60208-2300 email: k...@northwestern.edu phone: (847) 491-2939 fax: (847) 491-4345 -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Arakawa, Steven Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 5:56 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: [RDA-L] RDA 2.4.1.8 Noun Phrase Occurring with a Statement of Responsibility When I attended the RDA 101 ALA preconference, one of the things that stuck with me was the RDA rule 2.4.1.8. AACR2 1.1F12 makes a fine distinction between noun phrases that are indicative of the nature of the work and noun phrases that are indicative of the role of the person named in the statement of responsibility. The former category is considered to be part of the title; the latter category is considered to be part of the statement of responsibility. RDA 2.4.1.8 simply states that if a noun phrase occurs with a statement of responsibility, it is part of the statement of responsibility. In fact, RDA takes the same examples used by AACR2 to represent the 2 categories and puts both of them in the statement of responsibility. Dr. Robert Ellett, the presenter at RDA 101, had a much more striking example of a noun phrase than the ones used by RDA and AACR2: a novel by ... which we have all seen at one time or another. AACR2 cataloging rather consistently interprets a novel as indicative of the nature of the work, with a novel in 245 $b, usually immediately preceding the ISBD slash and by Ruth Latta in 245 $c, following the ISBD slash. Explaining AACR2 1.1F12 has always been a headache for me when training staff, so I welcomed the rule simplification in RDA. However, if there is no grammatical connection to the author, my understanding has been that the noun (or the noun phrase) in RDA remains part of the title. So, ... / a novel by Ruth Latta but ... : a novel / Ruth Latta. For training purposes, I wanted to have a couple of RDA examples, so I went to our LC resource file and did a combined keyword search on a novel and rda for all books cataloged from 2008. All of the records continued the practice of leaving a novel in the other title and by so and so in the statement of responsibility. I then searched on a novel in the extra set file of the RDA test and the results were no different from the search limited to LC cataloging. I've checked the LCPS and 2.4.1.8 is without comment, and the rule is not covered in any of the LC Training presentations I'm aware of. The only reference to 2.4.1.8 I've been able to discover is in Adam Schiff's AACR2/RDA comparison presentation, but the AACR2/RDA examples are taken from AACR2 1.1.F12 and RDA 2.4.1.8. So I'm wondering if I understand the RDA rule, or if the wisdom of the crowd has resulted in the correct application of the rule. One interesting note--I found quite a few poem collections in the same LC resource file where poems by is in the statement of responsibility; there are certainly examples of poems / by but the number of grammatically connected poem phrases in the statement of responsibility seemed to be noticeably different from the number of grammatically connected novel phrases. Steven Arakawa Catalog Librarian for Training Documentation Catalog Metadata Services, SML, Yale University P.O. Box 208240 New Haven, CT 06520-8240 (203)432-8286 steven.arak...@yale.edu
Re: [RDA-L] RDA 2.4.1.8 Noun Phrase Occurring with a Statement of Responsibility
Kevin, As a rule of thumb, I was interpreting 2.4.1.8 as applying to situations where there was a grammatical connection between the noun/noun phrase. I, robot : a novel / by Arthur C. Clarke would be an example of the noun/noun phrase with a grammatical connection (through by), an example of 2.4.1.8. But I, robot : a novel / Arthur C. Clarke would be an example where there is no grammatical connection, so by default 2.3.4.1 would apply. After all, if the noun phrase without grammatical connection was used as part of the statement of responsibility in the latter situation, you would be left with I, robot / novel, Arthur C. Clarke. So it doesn't necessarily have to be used only when the statement of responsibility includes entities identified as having different functions (... / novel by X ; illustrations by Y). Where the noun phrase clearly functions to explain the title proper, the grammatical connection would be ignored. I was actually thinking of including something like Turbulence : a novel of the atmosphere / by Giles Foden as an example of a noun phrase that was indicative of the character, contents, etc. of the resource. Most publishers of recent fiction finesse the ambiguity by leaving out the by -- I really had to hunt around to find the Turbulence example. I think there are ramifications for where the noun phrase is located. In most results displays on a title search in OPACs that use the browse function, the statement of responsibility does not affect the sorting, but the absence/presence of the other title often does. Steven Arakawa Catalog Librarian for Training Documentation Catalog Metadata Services, SML, Yale University P.O. Box 208240 New Haven, CT 06520-8240 (203)432-8286 steven.arak...@yale.edu -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Kevin M Randall Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 10:51 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] RDA 2.4.1.8 Noun Phrase Occurring with a Statement of Responsibility I think the line between 2.4.1.8 and 2.3.4 is very blurry. In 2.3.4.1, it says Other title information may include any phrase appearing with a title proper that is indicative of the character, contents, etc. of the resource ... That could very well be interpreted as meaning that a phrase such as a novel is other title information; but then 2.4.1.8 is quite helpful when you have something like text by Person A, drawings by Person B. I wouldn't necessarily say that it would be right or wrong to record the phrase a novel by Author C as either (in ISBD form) : a novel / by Author C or / a novel by Author C. It all depends on how the cataloger is interpreting the information. Wouldn't a phrase such as a novel of the Old West fit better as other title information, even if it was connected to the author's name with the word by? On the other hand, it wouldn't affect access very much (if at all?) by being recorded as part of the statement of responsibility. Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Bibliographic Services Dept. Northwestern University Library 1970 Campus Drive Evanston, IL 60208-2300 email: k...@northwestern.edu phone: (847) 491-2939 fax: (847) 491-4345 -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Arakawa, Steven Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 5:56 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: [RDA-L] RDA 2.4.1.8 Noun Phrase Occurring with a Statement of Responsibility When I attended the RDA 101 ALA preconference, one of the things that stuck with me was the RDA rule 2.4.1.8. AACR2 1.1F12 makes a fine distinction between noun phrases that are indicative of the nature of the work and noun phrases that are indicative of the role of the person named in the statement of responsibility. The former category is considered to be part of the title; the latter category is considered to be part of the statement of responsibility. RDA 2.4.1.8 simply states that if a noun phrase occurs with a statement of responsibility, it is part of the statement of responsibility. In fact, RDA takes the same examples used by AACR2 to represent the 2 categories and puts both of them in the statement of responsibility. Dr. Robert Ellett, the presenter at RDA 101, had a much more striking example of a noun phrase than the ones used by RDA and AACR2: a novel by ... which we have all seen at one time or another. AACR2 cataloging rather consistently interprets a novel as indicative of the nature of the work, with a novel in 245 $b, usually immediately preceding the ISBD slash and by Ruth Latta in 245 $c, following the ISBD slash. Explaining AACR2 1.1F12 has always been a headache for me when training staff, so I welcomed the rule simplification in RDA. However, if there is no grammatical connection
Re: [RDA-L] RDA 2.4.1.8 Noun Phrase Occurring with a Statement of Responsibility
It seems to me that typography can play a part also, showing the page designer's intent as to whether the phrase is associated with the title or statement of responsibility. The RDA instruction expects us to determine if the noun or phrase occurs with a statement of responsibility, and while that includes grammatical connection, occurs with also includes physical location on the page or type layout, in my opinion. I would see a difference between a title page set up CHARACTERS FROM DICKENS: DRAMATISED ADAPTATIONS by Barry Campbell And one set up CHARACTERS FROM DICKENS dramatised adaptations by Barry Campbell If so, that makes it difficult to judge after the fact by looking at transcriptions in 245 fields whether a phrase goes with the title or statement of responsibility. Bob Robert L. Maxwell Special Collections and Ancient Languages Catalog Librarian Genre/Form Authorities Librarian 6728 Harold B. Lee Library Brigham Young University Provo, UT 84602 (801)422-5568 We should set an example for all the world, rather than confine ourselves to the course which has been heretofore pursued--Eliza R. Snow, 1842. -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Arakawa, Steven Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 12:25 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] RDA 2.4.1.8 Noun Phrase Occurring with a Statement of Responsibility Kevin, As a rule of thumb, I was interpreting 2.4.1.8 as applying to situations where there was a grammatical connection between the noun/noun phrase. I, robot : a novel / by Arthur C. Clarke would be an example of the noun/noun phrase with a grammatical connection (through by), an example of 2.4.1.8. But I, robot : a novel / Arthur C. Clarke would be an example where there is no grammatical connection, so by default 2.3.4.1 would apply. After all, if the noun phrase without grammatical connection was used as part of the statement of responsibility in the latter situation, you would be left with I, robot / novel, Arthur C. Clarke. So it doesn't necessarily have to be used only when the statement of responsibility includes entities identified as having different functions (... / novel by X ; illustrations by Y). Where the noun phrase clearly functions to explain the title proper, the grammatical connection would be ignored. I was actually thinking of including something like Turbulence : a novel of the atmosphere / by Giles Foden as an example of a noun phrase that was indicative of the character, contents, etc. of the resource. Most publishers of recent fiction finesse the ambiguity by leaving out the by -- I really had to hunt around to find the Turbulence example. I think there are ramifications for where the noun phrase is located. In most results displays on a title search in OPACs that use the browse function, the statement of responsibility does not affect the sorting, but the absence/presence of the other title often does. Steven Arakawa Catalog Librarian for Training Documentation Catalog Metadata Services, SML, Yale University P.O. Box 208240 New Haven, CT 06520-8240 (203)432-8286 steven.arak...@yale.edu -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Kevin M Randall Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 10:51 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] RDA 2.4.1.8 Noun Phrase Occurring with a Statement of Responsibility I think the line between 2.4.1.8 and 2.3.4 is very blurry. In 2.3.4.1, it says Other title information may include any phrase appearing with a title proper that is indicative of the character, contents, etc. of the resource ... That could very well be interpreted as meaning that a phrase such as a novel is other title information; but then 2.4.1.8 is quite helpful when you have something like text by Person A, drawings by Person B. I wouldn't necessarily say that it would be right or wrong to record the phrase a novel by Author C as either (in ISBD form) : a novel / by Author C or / a novel by Author C. It all depends on how the cataloger is interpreting the information. Wouldn't a phrase such as a novel of the Old West fit better as other title information, even if it was connected to the author's name with the word by? On the other hand, it wouldn't affect access very much (if at all?) by being recorded as part of the statement of responsibility. Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Bibliographic Services Dept. Northwestern University Library 1970 Campus Drive Evanston, IL 60208-2300 email: k...@northwestern.edu phone: (847) 491-2939 fax: (847) 491-4345
Re: [RDA-L] RDA 2.4.1.8 Noun Phrase Occurring with a Statement of Responsibility
I seem to remember, maybe it was oral history or something like that, but if the phrase were connected to the person and really did not represent a subtitle, it was connected to area of responsibility. For instance: The moon over the hill / |c a romantic novel by Billy Misbegotten. On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 11:44 AM, Robert Maxwell robert_maxw...@byu.eduwrote: It seems to me that typography can play a part also, showing the page designer's intent as to whether the phrase is associated with the title or statement of responsibility. The RDA instruction expects us to determine if the noun or phrase occurs with a statement of responsibility, and while that includes grammatical connection, occurs with also includes physical location on the page or type layout, in my opinion. I would see a difference between a title page set up CHARACTERS FROM DICKENS: DRAMATISED ADAPTATIONS by Barry Campbell And one set up CHARACTERS FROM DICKENS dramatised adaptations by Barry Campbell If so, that makes it difficult to judge after the fact by looking at transcriptions in 245 fields whether a phrase goes with the title or statement of responsibility. Bob Robert L. Maxwell Special Collections and Ancient Languages Catalog Librarian Genre/Form Authorities Librarian 6728 Harold B. Lee Library Brigham Young University Provo, UT 84602 (801)422-5568 We should set an example for all the world, rather than confine ourselves to the course which has been heretofore pursued--Eliza R. Snow, 1842. -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Arakawa, Steven Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 12:25 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] RDA 2.4.1.8 Noun Phrase Occurring with a Statement of Responsibility Kevin, As a rule of thumb, I was interpreting 2.4.1.8 as applying to situations where there was a grammatical connection between the noun/noun phrase. I, robot : a novel / by Arthur C. Clarke would be an example of the noun/noun phrase with a grammatical connection (through by), an example of 2.4.1.8. But I, robot : a novel / Arthur C. Clarke would be an example where there is no grammatical connection, so by default 2.3.4.1 would apply. After all, if the noun phrase without grammatical connection was used as part of the statement of responsibility in the latter situation, you would be left with I, robot / novel, Arthur C. Clarke. So it doesn't necessarily have to be used only when the statement of responsibility includes entities identified as having different functions (... / novel by X ; illustrations by Y). Where the noun phrase clearly functions to explain the title proper, the grammatical connection would be ignored. I was actually thinking of including something like Turbulence : a novel of the atmosphere / by Giles Foden as an example of a noun phrase that was indicative of the character, contents, etc. of the resource. Most publishers of recent fiction finesse the ambiguity by leaving out the by -- I really had to hunt around to find the Turbulence example. I think there are ramifications for where the noun phrase is located. In most results displays on a title search in OPACs that use the browse function, the statement of responsibility does not affect the sorting, but the absence/presence of the other title often does. Steven Arakawa Catalog Librarian for Training Documentation Catalog Metadata Services, SML, Yale University P.O. Box 208240 New Haven, CT 06520-8240 (203)432-8286 steven.arak...@yale.edu -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Kevin M Randall Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 10:51 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] RDA 2.4.1.8 Noun Phrase Occurring with a Statement of Responsibility I think the line between 2.4.1.8 and 2.3.4 is very blurry. In 2.3.4.1, it says Other title information may include any phrase appearing with a title proper that is indicative of the character, contents, etc. of the resource ... That could very well be interpreted as meaning that a phrase such as a novel is other title information; but then 2.4.1.8 is quite helpful when you have something like text by Person A, drawings by Person B. I wouldn't necessarily say that it would be right or wrong to record the phrase a novel by Author C as either (in ISBD form) : a novel / by Author C or / a novel by Author C. It all depends on how the cataloger is interpreting the information. Wouldn't a phrase such as a novel of the Old West fit better as other title information, even if it was connected to the author's name with the word by? On the other hand, it wouldn't affect access very much (if at all?) by being recorded as part of the statement of responsibility. Kevin M. Randall
Re: [RDA-L] RDA 2.4.1.8 Noun Phrase Occurring with a Statement of Responsibility
On 20/10/2011 00:56, Arakawa, Steven wrote: snip When I attended the RDA 101 ALA preconference, one of the things that stuck with me was the RDA rule 2.4.1.8. AACR2 1.1F12 makes a fine distinction between noun phrases that are indicative of the nature of the work and noun phrases that are indicative of the role of the person named in the statement of responsibility. The former category is considered to be part of the title; the latter category is considered to be part of the statement of responsibility. RDA 2.4.1.8 simply states that if a noun phrase occurs with a statement of responsibility, it is part of the statement of responsibility. In fact, RDA takes the same examples used by AACR2 to represent the 2 categories and puts both of them in the statement of responsibility. Dr. Robert Ellett, the presenter at RDA 101, had a much more striking example of a noun phrase than the ones used by RDA and AACR2: a novel by ... which we have all seen at one time or another. AACR2 cataloging rather consistently interprets a novel as indicative of the nature of the work, with a novel in 245 $b, usually immediately preceding the ISBD slash and by Ruth Latta in 245 $c, following the ISBD slash. Explaining AACR2 1.1F12 has always been a headache for me when training staff, so I welcomed the rule simplification in RDA. However, if there is no grammatical connection to the author, my understanding has been that the noun (or the noun phrase) in RDA remains part of the title. So, .../ a novel by Ruth Latta but ...: a novel / Ruth Latta. For training purposes, I wanted to have a couple of RDA examples, so I went to our LC resource file and did a combined keyword search on a novel and rda for all books cataloged from 2008.All of the records continued the practice of leaving a novel in the other title and by so and so in the statement of responsibility. I then searched on a novel in the extra set file of the RDA test and the results were no different from the search limited to LC cataloging. I've checked the LCPS and 2.4.1.8 is without comment, and the rule is not covered in any of the LC Training presentations I'm aware of. The only reference to 2.4.1.8 I've been able to discover is in Adam Schiff's AACR2/RDA comparison presentation, but the AACR2/RDA examples are taken from AACR2 1.1.F12 and RDA 2.4.1.8. So I'm wondering if I understand the RDA rule, or if the wisdom of the crowd has resulted in the correct application of the rule. One interesting note--I found quite a few poem collections in the same LC resource file where poems by is in the statement of responsibility; there are certainly examples of poems / by but the number of grammatically connected poem phrases in the statement of responsibility seemed to be noticeably different from the number of grammatically connected novel phrases. /snip I personally think that a jury of twelve people would very quickly decide that a title page such as [title of book] a novel by Joe Smith that the word novel describes the title of the book and not Joe Smith. The alternative [title of book] a novel Joe Smith merely implies the word by. In both cases, a novel is clearly linked to the title and becomes other title information. But if the 245 statement read [title of book] by the novelist Joe Smith the word novelist describes Joe Smith and not the title of the book. I think very few people would disagree with such reasoning and the conclusions are obvious. Still, experience plus a quick search reveals that there is practically no consistency in how catalogers have applied any of this and the catalogs have not caved in. I have never even heard of a user ever questioning it so they seem to have no problem whether they see a colon or slash before a novel. Or, if it is in a more modern display, e.g. Title: [title of book] Other Title Information: a novel Author statement: by Joe Smith or Title: [title of book] Author statement: a novel by Joe Smith I would be absolutely shocked if anyone would even notice. I admit it would make some difference in searching if people were to search for [title of book] novel and the word novel were placed in the statement of responsibility and the 245c is not indexed for a title search, but what the heck? We've survived this long! Seems to me like this could be a great time to face facts and declare cataloger's judgment since that's what has been happening for a long time! But no matter what, I have no doubt that catalogers will continue to record it however they want. -- James Weinheimer weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com First Thus: http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/ Cooperative Cataloging Rules: http://sites.google.com/site/opencatalogingrules/
Re: [RDA-L] RDA 2.4.1.8 Noun Phrase Occurring with a Statement of Responsibility
Gene Fieg wrote: I seem to remember, maybe it was oral history or something like that, but if the phrase were connected to the person and really did not represent a subtitle, it was connected to area of responsibility. For instance: The moon over the hill / |c a romantic novel by Billy Misbegotten. Other title information includes more than just subtitle (and what is the definition of subtitle anyway? I don't think it's even clear enough to fit into the I know one when I see one category). In fact, there are cases where phrases like the one shown above are obviously intended to be descriptive of the work, and should be recorded as other title information, not merely appendages to the statement of responsibility. For example: The butler did it : a comedy thriller / by Walter Marks and Peter Marks. So, it's descriptive of the resource, which makes it fit into 2.3.4.1, but because there happens to be that pesky little two-letter word by involved, it has to be recorded as statement of responsibility per 2.4.1.8? In the RDA example for the resource Characters from Dickens, the word by must make all the difference for where the phrase dramatised adaptations goes. So where is the line between other title information and noun phrase? I must need new glasses, because I don't see it. And because of that, I maintain that it doesn't really matter. Let the cataloger put it wherever he/she thinks it fits best; the user will still find it and understand (or not understand) the record just the same either way. Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Bibliographic Services Dept. Northwestern University Library 1970 Campus Drive Evanston, IL 60208-2300 email: k...@northwestern.edu phone: (847) 491-2939 fax: (847) 491-4345
Re: [RDA-L] RDA 2.4.1.8 Noun Phrase Occurring with a Statement of Responsibility
Steven, You're right; I suspect the catalogers of the RDA records you saw just forgot. I recommend you take the examples you've found and correct them for your training materials. I'd be interested in seeing the examples you use in the end. Robert L. Maxwell Special Collections and Ancient Languages Catalog Librarian Genre/Form Authorities Librarian 6728 Harold B. Lee Library Brigham Young University Provo, UT 84602 (801)422-5568 We should set an example for all the world, rather than confine ourselves to the course which has been heretofore pursued--Eliza R. Snow, 1842. From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Arakawa, Steven Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 4:56 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: [RDA-L] RDA 2.4.1.8 Noun Phrase Occurring with a Statement of Responsibility When I attended the RDA 101 ALA preconference, one of the things that stuck with me was the RDA rule 2.4.1.8. AACR2 1.1F12 makes a fine distinction between noun phrases that are indicative of the nature of the work and noun phrases that are indicative of the role of the person named in the statement of responsibility. The former category is considered to be part of the title; the latter category is considered to be part of the statement of responsibility. RDA 2.4.1.8 simply states that if a noun phrase occurs with a statement of responsibility, it is part of the statement of responsibility. In fact, RDA takes the same examples used by AACR2 to represent the 2 categories and puts both of them in the statement of responsibility. Dr. Robert Ellett, the presenter at RDA 101, had a much more striking example of a noun phrase than the ones used by RDA and AACR2: a novel by ... which we have all seen at one time or another. AACR2 cataloging rather consistently interprets a novel as indicative of the nature of the work, with a novel in 245 $b, usually immediately preceding the ISBD slash and by Ruth Latta in 245 $c, following the ISBD slash. Explaining AACR2 1.1F12 has always been a headache for me when training staff, so I welcomed the rule simplification in RDA. However, if there is no grammatical connection to the author, my understanding has been that the noun (or the noun phrase) in RDA remains part of the title. So, ... / a novel by Ruth Latta but ... : a novel / Ruth Latta. For training purposes, I wanted to have a couple of RDA examples, so I went to our LC resource file and did a combined keyword search on a novel and rda for all books cataloged from 2008. All of the records continued the practice of leaving a novel in the other title and by so and so in the statement of responsibility. I then searched on a novel in the extra set file of the RDA test and the results were no different from the search limited to LC cataloging. I've checked the LCPS and 2.4.1.8 is without comment, and the rule is not covered in any of the LC Training presentations I'm aware of. The only reference to 2.4.1.8 I've been able to discover is in Adam Schiff's AACR2/RDA comparison presentation, but the AACR2/RDA examples are taken from AACR2 1.1.F12 and RDA 2.4.1.8. So I'm wondering if I understand the RDA rule, or if the wisdom of the crowd has resulted in the correct application of the rule. One interesting note--I found quite a few poem collections in the same LC resource file where poems by is in the statement of responsibility; there are certainly examples of poems / by but the number of grammatically connected poem phrases in the statement of responsibility seemed to be noticeably different from the number of grammatically connected novel phrases. Steven Arakawa Catalog Librarian for Training Documentation Catalog Metadata Services, SML, Yale University P.O. Box 208240 New Haven, CT 06520-8240 (203)432-8286 steven.arak...@yale.edu
