Re: [RE-wrenches] Array Mock-up Software (Jason Szumlanski)

[Jason Szumlanski]

DJI Phantom 4 Pro
Drone Deploy Flight Data Recording and Processing
Sketchup Post-Processing


The Drone Deploy processing is expensive and time-consuming, so it's only
suitable for larger projects with a healthy budget or opportunity. I don't
think the technology is really there yet for our purposes for residential
solar site analysis. I imagine we are heading in that direction, though.





On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:37 PM, Nick J Kirk <
n...@downstreamconstruction.com> wrote:

> Jason,
>
> Would you be willing to share what Drone and software package you use for
> performing an aerial analysis? We've been thinking of this as an option for
> the initial site visit instead of putting a body on the roof (ie mitigating
> risk without sacrificing accuracy).
>
> Thank you,
> Nick
>
>
> *Nick Kirk*
> *Director of Solar Operations*
>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Array Mock-up Software (Jason Szumlanski)

[Nick J Kirk]

Jason,

Would you be willing to share what Drone and software package you use for
performing an aerial analysis? We've been thinking of this as an option for
the initial site visit instead of putting a body on the roof (ie mitigating
risk without sacrificing accuracy).

Thank you,
Nick


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*Director of Solar Operations*

*NABCEP Certified PV Installation Professional™*

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2721 Edmonds Road, Boonville, NY 13309
Mobile: 315.796.5657
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Array Mock-up Software

[Jason Szumlanski]

There are many different levels of "sales presentations" we do depending on
the viability of the project. If it's a garden variety interest in solar,
we create a layout that anticipates the quantity of modules that will fit
on the roof in either 2D or 3D. For the everyday sales lead, we just need
scaled imagery with good resolution and a reasonably accurate roof pitch to
get incredibly accurate layouts, even when obstructions exist. That is what
we have lost with Sketchup's Add Location feature going to poor quality
imagery. Sending someone to the site is obviously the Holy Grail in terms
of accurate system sizing, but it's also expensive. In my mind, there is no
substitute for super clear, scaled, plan view imagery. You can do so much
with that. The drive toward 3D computer simulated imagery by major data
providers is pushing the envelope of technology but doesn't necessarily
satisfy the need for accurate solar layouts nor producing great sales
presentations showing superimposed renovations (yet).

On the other end of the spectrum, we can do a 3D survey of the building
using a drone and then superimpose solar panels on the building like the
attached picture. This is super precise. This is clearly more expensive
than a ladder and a tape measure, but the value in terms of sales
presentations is tremendous.

[image: Inline image 1]



On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 8:31 PM, Glenn Burt  wrote:

> We have never used it like that. We measure a structure, then build a
> model of it, place it on a map, and wrap the house around the structure. It
> is more for helping a customer visualize the result with solar on their
> home than for performing measurements.
> We also use it the same way to pass on to the crew where conduit and BOS
> equipment go, and in many cases, fit before they arrive on site.
>
> -Glenn
>
> -Original Message-
> From: RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On
> Behalf Of Jason Szumlanski
> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 5:45 PM
> To: RE-wrenches 
> Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Array Mock-up Software
>
> I totally agree, but the roof extents were previously very accurate using
> the Add Location tool imagery from Google - close enough to make a 3D
> mockup without external dimensioning tools. Now you can't "trace" the roof
> to get accurate dimensions with the fuzzy imagery. Those dimensions need to
> come from another source.
>
> Jason
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 3:09 PM, Glenn Burt  wrote:
>
> > Jason,
> > Like others, we too have found the image quality lacking, however for
> > the simple quotes we do, it has been more bonus to have the imagery
> > than simply the dwelling mock-up as part of the proposal.
> >
> > Glenn
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org]
> > On Behalf Of Jason Szumlanski
> > Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 9:22 AM
> > To: RE-wrenches 
> > Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Array Mock-up Software
> >
> > Glenn,
> >
> > How are you dealing with the new inferior imagery from Digital Globe
> > now that Sketchup's contract with Google for imagery is dead? In my
> > area, it's totally unusable. I'm having to pull in imagery from other
> > sources and scale it, which is not as accurate as the Add Location
> feature in Sketchup.
> >
> > Jason
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 6:02 PM, Glenn Burt 
> wrote:
> >
> > > Sketch-up still working great for us.
> > >
> > > -Glenn
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org]
> > > On Behalf Of Chad Waits
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 1:33 PM
> > > To: RE-wrenches 
> > > Subject: [RE-wrenches] Array Mock-up Software
> > >
> > > Wrenches,
> > >
> > > Wondering what you folks are using for array mock-ups in your
> > > proposal tools. Since Bright Harvest¹s array-o-metic went black,
> > > we¹ve tried Aurora and Helioscope, but they seem to be too time
> > > consuming and functionally more than what we need. All we¹re looking
> > > to do is place some simulated modules on a satellite photo with a
> > > program that is simple enough for a salesman to use. Any input is
> appreciated.
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > >
> > > Chad Waits
> > > President/Owner ­ Net Zero Solar
> > > 101 W. 5th St., Tucson, AZ  85705
> > > Office: 520-207-4053
> > > Cell: 520-270-4873
> > > NABCEP Certified PV Installation Professional NABCE

Re: [RE-wrenches] Array Mock-up Software

[Mick Abraham]

Greetings~ The original request by Chad Waits on this subject is pasted
below for reference:

Wrenches,
>
> Wondering what you folks are using for array mock-ups in your proposal
> tools. Since Bright Harvest¹s array-o-metic went black, we¹ve tried Aurora
> and Helioscope, but they seem to be too time consuming and functionally
> more
> than what we need. All we¹re looking to do is place some simulated modules
> on a satellite photo with a program that is simple enough for a salesman to
> use. Any input is appreciated.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Chad Waits
> President/Owner ­ Net Zero Solar
> 101 W. 5th St., Tucson, AZ  85705
>
>
Mick's reply: The Unirac racking design tool:
http://design.unirac.com/tool/ incorporates "augmented reality"
features as you described, Chad. There is a learning curve but the tool is
free & it can also generate a bill of materials for Unirac brand mounting
hardware. Typing in the project location kicks up a satellite photo image
as the bottom layer; I prefer using the touch screen on my notebook to zoom
& move the satellite image. Next, the user draws rectangles or other shapes
to define the "roof boundaries'; the "Clear All" button is handy if one
needs a reset.

When it's time to "Draw Panels" (sic) as the next layer, one should first
specify the tilt of the roof. Since the visual always shows everything as
it would look from a satellite, the drawn PV modules are dimensioned
differently depending on the specified roof tilt. To me, the "Roof Edge
Autofill" feature is too aggressive at holding the array field back from
the edges of the roof--but one can cheat that in various ways or turn it
off.

The tool can only accommodate standard "jumbos" so far, but did I mention
it's free? Power-Fab (aka Direct Power aka Pre-formed Line Products) I hope
this will be helpful information. The Wrench List is the Bomb!

Mick Abraham, Proprietor
www.abrahamsolar.com

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Re: [RE-wrenches] Array Mock-up Software

[Jamie Rennie]

Libre office is a free open source office suite software that that comes
with a drawing program. I like to use it in conjunction with Libre CAD and
Google Earth. We have run into problems with larger files but for creating
layouts with scaled proportion it works pretty well.

On Oct 26, 2017 6:34 PM, "Glenn Burt"  wrote:

> We have never used it like that. We measure a structure, then build a
> model of it, place it on a map, and wrap the house around the structure. It
> is more for helping a customer visualize the result with solar on their
> home than for performing measurements.
> We also use it the same way to pass on to the crew where conduit and BOS
> equipment go, and in many cases, fit before they arrive on site.
>
> -Glenn
>
> -Original Message-
> From: RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On
> Behalf Of Jason Szumlanski
> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 5:45 PM
> To: RE-wrenches 
> Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Array Mock-up Software
>
> I totally agree, but the roof extents were previously very accurate using
> the Add Location tool imagery from Google - close enough to make a 3D
> mockup without external dimensioning tools. Now you can't "trace" the roof
> to get accurate dimensions with the fuzzy imagery. Those dimensions need to
> come from another source.
>
> Jason
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 3:09 PM, Glenn Burt  wrote:
>
> > Jason,
> > Like others, we too have found the image quality lacking, however for
> > the simple quotes we do, it has been more bonus to have the imagery
> > than simply the dwelling mock-up as part of the proposal.
> >
> > Glenn
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org]
> > On Behalf Of Jason Szumlanski
> > Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 9:22 AM
> > To: RE-wrenches 
> > Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Array Mock-up Software
> >
> > Glenn,
> >
> > How are you dealing with the new inferior imagery from Digital Globe
> > now that Sketchup's contract with Google for imagery is dead? In my
> > area, it's totally unusable. I'm having to pull in imagery from other
> > sources and scale it, which is not as accurate as the Add Location
> feature in Sketchup.
> >
> > Jason
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 6:02 PM, Glenn Burt 
> wrote:
> >
> > > Sketch-up still working great for us.
> > >
> > > -Glenn
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org]
> > > On Behalf Of Chad Waits
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 1:33 PM
> > > To: RE-wrenches 
> > > Subject: [RE-wrenches] Array Mock-up Software
> > >
> > > Wrenches,
> > >
> > > Wondering what you folks are using for array mock-ups in your
> > > proposal tools. Since Bright Harvest¹s array-o-metic went black,
> > > we¹ve tried Aurora and Helioscope, but they seem to be too time
> > > consuming and functionally more than what we need. All we¹re looking
> > > to do is place some simulated modules on a satellite photo with a
> > > program that is simple enough for a salesman to use. Any input is
> appreciated.
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > >
> > > Chad Waits
> > > President/Owner ­ Net Zero Solar
> > > 101 W. 5th St., Tucson, AZ  85705
> > > Office: 520-207-4053
> > > Cell: 520-270-4873
> > > NABCEP Certified PV Installation Professional NABCEP Certified Solar
> > > Heating Installer
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Array Mock-up Software

[Glenn Burt]

We have never used it like that. We measure a structure, then build a model of 
it, place it on a map, and wrap the house around the structure. It is more for 
helping a customer visualize the result with solar on their home than for 
performing measurements.
We also use it the same way to pass on to the crew where conduit and BOS 
equipment go, and in many cases, fit before they arrive on site.

-Glenn

-Original Message-
From: RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf 
Of Jason Szumlanski
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 5:45 PM
To: RE-wrenches 
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Array Mock-up Software

I totally agree, but the roof extents were previously very accurate using the 
Add Location tool imagery from Google - close enough to make a 3D mockup 
without external dimensioning tools. Now you can't "trace" the roof to get 
accurate dimensions with the fuzzy imagery. Those dimensions need to come from 
another source.

Jason


On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 3:09 PM, Glenn Burt  wrote:

> Jason,
> Like others, we too have found the image quality lacking, however for 
> the simple quotes we do, it has been more bonus to have the imagery 
> than simply the dwelling mock-up as part of the proposal.
>
> Glenn
>
> -Original Message-
> From: RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] 
> On Behalf Of Jason Szumlanski
> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 9:22 AM
> To: RE-wrenches 
> Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Array Mock-up Software
>
> Glenn,
>
> How are you dealing with the new inferior imagery from Digital Globe 
> now that Sketchup's contract with Google for imagery is dead? In my 
> area, it's totally unusable. I'm having to pull in imagery from other 
> sources and scale it, which is not as accurate as the Add Location feature in 
> Sketchup.
>
> Jason
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 6:02 PM, Glenn Burt  wrote:
>
> > Sketch-up still working great for us.
> >
> > -Glenn
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org]
> > On Behalf Of Chad Waits
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 1:33 PM
> > To: RE-wrenches 
> > Subject: [RE-wrenches] Array Mock-up Software
> >
> > Wrenches,
> >
> > Wondering what you folks are using for array mock-ups in your 
> > proposal tools. Since Bright Harvest¹s array-o-metic went black, 
> > we¹ve tried Aurora and Helioscope, but they seem to be too time 
> > consuming and functionally more than what we need. All we¹re looking 
> > to do is place some simulated modules on a satellite photo with a 
> > program that is simple enough for a salesman to use. Any input is 
> > appreciated.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Chad Waits
> > President/Owner ­ Net Zero Solar
> > 101 W. 5th St., Tucson, AZ  85705
> > Office: 520-207-4053
> > Cell: 520-270-4873
> > NABCEP Certified PV Installation Professional NABCEP Certified Solar 
> > Heating Installer
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Array Mock-up Software

[Jason Szumlanski]

I totally agree, but the roof extents were previously very accurate using
the Add Location tool imagery from Google - close enough to make a 3D
mockup without external dimensioning tools. Now you can't "trace" the roof
to get accurate dimensions with the fuzzy imagery. Those dimensions need to
come from another source.

Jason


On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 3:09 PM, Glenn Burt  wrote:

> Jason,
> Like others, we too have found the image quality lacking, however for the
> simple quotes we do, it has been more bonus to have the imagery than simply
> the dwelling mock-up as part of the proposal.
>
> Glenn
>
> -Original Message-
> From: RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On
> Behalf Of Jason Szumlanski
> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 9:22 AM
> To: RE-wrenches 
> Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Array Mock-up Software
>
> Glenn,
>
> How are you dealing with the new inferior imagery from Digital Globe now
> that Sketchup's contract with Google for imagery is dead? In my area, it's
> totally unusable. I'm having to pull in imagery from other sources and
> scale it, which is not as accurate as the Add Location feature in Sketchup.
>
> Jason
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 6:02 PM, Glenn Burt  wrote:
>
> > Sketch-up still working great for us.
> >
> > -Glenn
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org]
> > On Behalf Of Chad Waits
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 1:33 PM
> > To: RE-wrenches 
> > Subject: [RE-wrenches] Array Mock-up Software
> >
> > Wrenches,
> >
> > Wondering what you folks are using for array mock-ups in your proposal
> > tools. Since Bright Harvest¹s array-o-metic went black, we¹ve tried
> > Aurora and Helioscope, but they seem to be too time consuming and
> > functionally more than what we need. All we¹re looking to do is place
> > some simulated modules on a satellite photo with a program that is
> > simple enough for a salesman to use. Any input is appreciated.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Chad Waits
> > President/Owner ­ Net Zero Solar
> > 101 W. 5th St., Tucson, AZ  85705
> > Office: 520-207-4053
> > Cell: 520-270-4873
> > NABCEP Certified PV Installation Professional NABCEP Certified Solar
> > Heating Installer
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Array Mock-up Software

[Glenn Burt]

Jason,
Like others, we too have found the image quality lacking, however for the 
simple quotes we do, it has been more bonus to have the imagery than simply the 
dwelling mock-up as part of the proposal.

Glenn

-Original Message-
From: RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf 
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Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 9:22 AM
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Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Array Mock-up Software

Glenn,

How are you dealing with the new inferior imagery from Digital Globe now that 
Sketchup's contract with Google for imagery is dead? In my area, it's totally 
unusable. I'm having to pull in imagery from other sources and scale it, which 
is not as accurate as the Add Location feature in Sketchup.

Jason



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> Sketch-up still working great for us.
>
> -Glenn
>
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> Subject: [RE-wrenches] Array Mock-up Software
>
> Wrenches,
>
> Wondering what you folks are using for array mock-ups in your proposal 
> tools. Since Bright Harvest¹s array-o-metic went black, we¹ve tried 
> Aurora and Helioscope, but they seem to be too time consuming and 
> functionally more than what we need. All we¹re looking to do is place 
> some simulated modules on a satellite photo with a program that is 
> simple enough for a salesman to use. Any input is appreciated.
>
> Thanks!
>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Array Mock-up Software

[Jason Szumlanski]

Unfortunately, it's not a simple contractual issue. Google has taken way
its API that allowed this kind of integration and they don't plan to revive
it.



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>
> Glenn,
>
> How are you dealing with the new inferior imagery from Digital Globe now
> that Sketchup's contract with Google for imagery is dead? In my area, it's
> totally unusable. I'm having to pull in imagery from other sources and
> scale it, which is not as accurate as the Add Location feature in Sketchup.
>
> Jason
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 6:02 PM, Glenn Burt  wrote:
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> > Sketch-up still working great for us.
> >
> > -Glenn
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On
> > Behalf Of Chad Waits
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 1:33 PM
> > To: RE-wrenches 
> > Subject: [RE-wrenches] Array Mock-up Software
> >
> > Wrenches,
> >
> > Wondering what you folks are using for array mock-ups in your proposal
> > tools. Since Bright Harvest¹s array-o-metic went black, we¹ve tried
> Aurora
> > and Helioscope, but they seem to be too time consuming and functionally
> > more
> > than what we need. All we¹re looking to do is place some simulated
> modules
> > on a satellite photo with a program that is simple enough for a salesman
> to
> > use. Any input is appreciated.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Chad Waits
> > President/Owner ­ Net Zero Solar
> > 101 W. 5th St., Tucson, AZ  85705
> > Office: 520-207-4053
> > Cell: 520-270-4873
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Array Mock-up Software

[August Goers]

Hi Chad -

We've been using Solar Census which has some very nice features for sales
reps. It is fast and easy to use - a layout can typically be created in
about 15 minutes. It uses LIDAR data to calculate the pitch of the roof and
estimate shade and we've found it to be generally quite accurate. I think
it has a limited geography or where it works, so it may not be available in
your area. The layout is nice to share with clients and shows them shade on
a per module basis. Here is a sample:

[image: Inline image 1]

We also have a subscription to nearmap which is like Google Earth but much
more up to date and higher resolution. It can really help get accurate roof
measurements.

I know that Solarcity (now Tesla) uses EagleView, but we haven't tried it:
https://www.eagleview.com/

-August



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> tools. Since Bright Harvest¹s array-o-metic went black, we¹ve tried Aurora
> and Helioscope, but they seem to be too time consuming and functionally
> more
> than what we need. All we¹re looking to do is place some simulated modules
> on a satellite photo with a program that is simple enough for a salesman to
> use. Any input is appreciated.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Chad Waits
> President/Owner ­ Net Zero Solar
> 101 W. 5th St., Tucson, AZ  85705
> Office: 520-207-4053
> Cell: 520-270-4873
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Array Mock-up Software

[Chris Schaefer]

While to expensive for my small biz I might suggest Pictometry. They use to
offer a free trial. Great detail.

Christopher

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> from other sources.
>
> We are looking for alternatives to sketch up unless they renew their
> contract with Google Earth.
>
>
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> Glenn,
>
> How are you dealing with the new inferior imagery from Digital Globe now
> that Sketchup's contract with Google for imagery is dead? In my area, it's
> totally unusable. I'm having to pull in imagery from other sources and
> scale it, which is not as accurate as the Add Location feature in Sketchup.
>
> Jason
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 6:02 PM, Glenn Burt  wrote:
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> > Sketch-up still working great for us.
> >
> > -Glenn
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On
> > Behalf Of Chad Waits
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 1:33 PM
> > To: RE-wrenches 
> > Subject: [RE-wrenches] Array Mock-up Software
> >
> > Wrenches,
> >
> > Wondering what you folks are using for array mock-ups in your proposal
> > tools. Since Bright Harvest¹s array-o-metic went black, we¹ve tried
> Aurora
> > and Helioscope, but they seem to be too time consuming and functionally
> > more
> > than what we need. All we¹re looking to do is place some simulated
> modules
> > on a satellite photo with a program that is simple enough for a salesman
> to
> > use. Any input is appreciated.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Chad Waits
> > President/Owner ­ Net Zero Solar
> > 101 W. 5th St., Tucson, AZ  85705
> > Office: 520-207-4053
> > Cell: 520-270-4873
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Array Mock-up Software

[Wayne Irwin]

We still use sketch-up.

But we are also struggling with the poor imagery and having to pull images from 
other sources.

We are looking for alternatives to sketch up unless they renew their contract 
with Google Earth.


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From: RE-wrenches  on behalf of 
Jason Szumlanski 
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 9:21 AM
To: RE-wrenches
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Array Mock-up Software

Glenn,

How are you dealing with the new inferior imagery from Digital Globe now
that Sketchup's contract with Google for imagery is dead? In my area, it's
totally unusable. I'm having to pull in imagery from other sources and
scale it, which is not as accurate as the Add Location feature in Sketchup.

Jason



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> Sketch-up still working great for us.
>
> -Glenn
>
> -Original Message-
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> Behalf Of Chad Waits
> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 1:33 PM
> To: RE-wrenches 
> Subject: [RE-wrenches] Array Mock-up Software
>
> Wrenches,
>
> Wondering what you folks are using for array mock-ups in your proposal
> tools. Since Bright Harvest¹s array-o-metic went black, we¹ve tried Aurora
> and Helioscope, but they seem to be too time consuming and functionally
> more
> than what we need. All we¹re looking to do is place some simulated modules
> on a satellite photo with a program that is simple enough for a salesman to
> use. Any input is appreciated.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Chad Waits
> President/Owner ­ Net Zero Solar
> 101 W. 5th St., Tucson, AZ  85705
> Office: 520-207-4053
> Cell: 520-270-4873
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Array Mock-up Software

[Jason Szumlanski]

Glenn,

How are you dealing with the new inferior imagery from Digital Globe now
that Sketchup's contract with Google for imagery is dead? In my area, it's
totally unusable. I'm having to pull in imagery from other sources and
scale it, which is not as accurate as the Add Location feature in Sketchup.

Jason



On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 6:02 PM, Glenn Burt  wrote:

> Sketch-up still working great for us.
>
> -Glenn
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> Subject: [RE-wrenches] Array Mock-up Software
>
> Wrenches,
>
> Wondering what you folks are using for array mock-ups in your proposal
> tools. Since Bright Harvest¹s array-o-metic went black, we¹ve tried Aurora
> and Helioscope, but they seem to be too time consuming and functionally
> more
> than what we need. All we¹re looking to do is place some simulated modules
> on a satellite photo with a program that is simple enough for a salesman to
> use. Any input is appreciated.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Chad Waits
> President/Owner ­ Net Zero Solar
> 101 W. 5th St., Tucson, AZ  85705
> Office: 520-207-4053
> Cell: 520-270-4873
> NABCEP Certified PV Installation Professional NABCEP Certified Solar
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Array Mock-up Software

[William Miller]

Chad:

I am the "salesman" (and designer, and bookkeeper, etc.) for my small
solar contracting firm.  I recently bid a few jobs without actually
getting on the roof.  Big mistake.

I hate competing against companies that do a "virtual", low-ball bid and
then, once the customer is on the hook, present "adders" to overcome their
lack of due diligence in the bidding process.  Nothing replaces getting an
experienced professional on the roof.

Quantity is no replacement for quality.  Buyer beware!

William Miller

Lic 773985
millersolar.com
805-438-5600

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From: RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On
Behalf Of Chad Waits
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 10:32 AM
To: RE-wrenches
Subject: [RE-wrenches] Array Mock-up Software

Wrenches,

Wondering what you folks are using for array mock-ups in your proposal
tools. Since Bright Harvestıs array-o-metic went black, weıve tried Aurora
and Helioscope, but they seem to be too time consuming and functionally
more than what we need. All weıre looking to do is place some simulated
modules on a satellite photo with a program that is simple enough for a
salesman to use. Any input is appreciated.

Thanks!

Chad Waits
President/Owner ­ Net Zero Solar
101 W. 5th St., Tucson, AZ  85705
Office: 520-207-4053
Cell: 520-270-4873
NABCEP Certified PV Installation Professional NABCEP Certified Solar
Heating Installer




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Re: [RE-wrenches] Array Mock-up Software

[Glenn Burt]

Sketch-up still working great for us.

-Glenn

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Behalf Of Chad Waits
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 1:33 PM
To: RE-wrenches 
Subject: [RE-wrenches] Array Mock-up Software

Wrenches,

Wondering what you folks are using for array mock-ups in your proposal
tools. Since Bright Harvest¹s array-o-metic went black, we¹ve tried Aurora
and Helioscope, but they seem to be too time consuming and functionally more
than what we need. All we¹re looking to do is place some simulated modules
on a satellite photo with a program that is simple enough for a salesman to
use. Any input is appreciated.

Thanks!

Chad Waits
President/Owner ­ Net Zero Solar
101 W. 5th St., Tucson, AZ  85705
Office: 520-207-4053
Cell: 520-270-4873
NABCEP Certified PV Installation Professional NABCEP Certified Solar Heating
Installer




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Re: [RE-wrenches] Array Mock-up Software

[Jason Szumlanski]

Haha - "simple enough for a salesperson." *Giggle*

No offense to the dark art of salesmanship, but I've given up on that.
Hiring someone to prepare sales presentations seems like the right option
if you have enough demand, as long as they can turn presentations around
quickly. I'm still cranking out 1000+ presentations a year with Sketchup
myself, but it results in a lot of late nights. Since Sketchup butchered
their location import feature it has become pretty cumbersome for a novice
to use. However, this is a trainable thing for a tech savvy admin. I still
think it's the best tool out there for quick and accurate sizing/layout,
and you can make it simple or feature rich with SU Pro.

There is no silver bullet, but training an army of sales reps to use a CAD
/ 3D / 2D / presentation tool and accurately lay out solar panels on a roof
is my worst nightmare. There are too many nuances to sizing roofs, dealing
with setbacks and obstructions, and dealing with skew in aerial imagery. A
single person dedicated to this task seems much more plausible.


Jason Szumlanski

On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 1:32 PM, Chad Waits 
wrote:

> Wrenches,
>
> Wondering what you folks are using for array mock-ups in your proposal
> tools. Since Bright Harvest¹s array-o-metic went black, we¹ve tried Aurora
> and Helioscope, but they seem to be too time consuming and functionally
> more
> than what we need. All we¹re looking to do is place some simulated modules
> on a satellite photo with a program that is simple enough for a salesman to
> use. Any input is appreciated.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Chad Waits
> President/Owner ­ Net Zero Solar
> 101 W. 5th St., Tucson, AZ  85705
> Office: 520-207-4053
> Cell: 520-270-4873
> NABCEP Certified PV Installation Professional
> NABCEP Certified Solar Heating Installer
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[RE-wrenches] Array Mock-up Software

[Chad Waits]

Wrenches,

Wondering what you folks are using for array mock-ups in your proposal
tools. Since Bright Harvest¹s array-o-metic went black, we¹ve tried Aurora
and Helioscope, but they seem to be too time consuming and functionally more
than what we need. All we¹re looking to do is place some simulated modules
on a satellite photo with a program that is simple enough for a salesman to
use. Any input is appreciated.

Thanks!

Chad Waits
President/Owner ­ Net Zero Solar
101 W. 5th St., Tucson, AZ  85705
Office: 520-207-4053
Cell: 520-270-4873
NABCEP Certified PV Installation Professional
NABCEP Certified Solar Heating Installer




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