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Re: [RE-wrenches] Vertical wall, shared rails

2016-10-18 Thread Glenn Burt

Depending on your access, something as simple as a water level could work. 
Garden hoses with clear sections of tubing at each end would transfer the line 
a good distance.

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Subject: [RE-wrenches] Vertical wall, shared rails

Hello Wrenches,
Wondering if any of you have ever done anything similar to installing on a
vertical wall using a horizontal shared rail racking system, array being
about 32.8m (110') wide and 26.3m (86') tall

The rails obviously have to be exactly perpendicular the entire length so
we are taking extra care that the first row (top row) is true and using
template spacers for each row down.  Only problem is that the top of the
building is a concrete parapet and anything but level.

Wondering if anyone has any good tips for getting that top row level/square
and  keeping the rest of the rails perfectly perpendicular? (keeping in
mind the length...32.8m (110')

Much Thanks,

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Re: [RE-wrenches] Vertical wall, shared rails

2016-10-18 Thread cpickard aladdinsolar.com

Yes, laser level does the trick. Also--don't forget to consider 
expansion/contraction of a single rail dimension. In Minnesota we would break 
that long length into two or even three separate mounting sections with an inch 
or two gap between. Don't forget, the building structure will also experience 
some expansion/contraction which will not necessarily be in sync with the rail 
changes. Over time, expansion/contraction could loosen attachment points.

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> On October 18, 2016 at 7:01 AM Chris Mason  
> wrote:
> 
> I use a laser plumb, sit it on the ground over your marks and loft the 
> marks to the top. It will be very accurate.
> 
> On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 7:49 PM, Benn Kilburn  mailto:b...@skyfireenergy.com > wrote:
> 
> > > Hello Wrenches,
> > Wondering if any of you have ever done anything similar to 
> > installing on a vertical wall using a horizontal shared rail racking 
> > system, array being about 32.8m (110') wide and 26.3m (86') tall
> > 
> > The rails obviously have to be exactly perpendicular the entire 
> > length so we are taking extra care that the first row (top row) is true and 
> > using template spacers for each row down.  Only problem is that the top of 
> > the building is a concrete parapet and anything but level.
> > 
> > Wondering if anyone has any good tips for getting that top row 
> > level/square and  keeping the rest of the rails perfectly perpendicular? 
> > (keeping in mind the length...32.8m (110')
> > 
> > Much Thanks,
> > 
> >  
> > 
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Vertical wall, shared rails

2016-10-18 Thread Chris Mason

I use a laser plumb, sit it on the ground over your marks and loft the
marks to the top. It will be very accurate.

On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 7:49 PM, Benn Kilburn 
wrote:

> Hello Wrenches,
> Wondering if any of you have ever done anything similar to installing on a
> vertical wall using a horizontal shared rail racking system, array being
> about 32.8m (110') wide and 26.3m (86') tall
>
> The rails obviously have to be exactly perpendicular the entire length so
> we are taking extra care that the first row (top row) is true and using
> template spacers for each row down.  Only problem is that the top of the
> building is a concrete parapet and anything but level.
>
> Wondering if anyone has any good tips for getting that top row
> level/square and  keeping the rest of the rails perfectly perpendicular?
> (keeping in mind the length...32.8m (110')
>
> Much Thanks,
>
> *Benn Kilburn *
> CSA Certified Solar Photovoltaic Systems Electrician, SkyFire Energy Inc
> 14515 – 121A Ave NW | Edmonton, AB | T5L 2T2
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Vertical wall, shared rails

2016-10-18 Thread Benn Kilburn

Chris, 
It's s Kinetic rail and they have given the go-ahead. 

Benn Kilburn
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> On Oct 18, 2016, at 4:41 AM, Chris Schaefer  wrote:
> 
> Hey Benn,
>  Just curious as to who's rail you're using that is rated for such a steep 
> angle?
> 
> Christopher
> 
>> On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 10:16 PM, Dana Solar work  wrote:
>> I have taken adjustable
>> ground mount racks & flipped them upside down. They work great as long as 
>> you got something safe to bolt securely to like unistrut or through like 
>> concrete.
>> 
>> Dana Orzel 2087217003
>> Great Solarworks Inc - NABCEP#051112-136
>> e-d...@solarwork.com c-2087217003
>> "Responsible Technology for Responsible People since 1988"
>> 
>> On Oct 17, 2016, at 5:49 PM, Benn Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Wrenches,
>> Wondering if any of you have ever done anything similar to installing on a 
>> vertical wall using a horizontal shared rail racking system, array being 
>> about 32.8m (110') wide and 26.3m (86') tall
>> 
>> The rails obviously have to be exactly perpendicular the entire length so we 
>> are taking extra care that the first row (top row) is true and using 
>> template spacers for each row down.  Only problem is that the top of the 
>> building is a concrete parapet and anything but level.
>> 
>> Wondering if anyone has any good tips for getting that top row level/square 
>> and  keeping the rest of the rails perfectly perpendicular? (keeping in mind 
>> the length...32.8m (110')
>> 
>> Much Thanks,
>> Benn Kilburn 
>> CSA Certified Solar Photovoltaic Systems Electrician, SkyFire Energy Inc
>> 14515 – 121A Ave NW | Edmonton, AB | T5L 2T2
>> P: 780-474-8992 | F: 888-405-5843 | www.skyfireenergy.com
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Vertical wall, shared rails

2016-10-18 Thread Chris Schaefer

Hey Benn,
 Just curious as to who's rail you're using that is rated for such a steep
angle?

Christopher

On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 10:16 PM, Dana Solar work 
wrote:

> I have taken adjustable
> ground mount racks & flipped them upside down. They work great as long as
> you got something safe to bolt securely to like unistrut or through like
> concrete.
>
> Dana Orzel 2087217003
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> e-d...@solarwork.com c-2087217003
> "Responsible Technology for Responsible People since 1988"
>
> On Oct 17, 2016, at 5:49 PM, Benn Kilburn  wrote:
>
> Hello Wrenches,
> Wondering if any of you have ever done anything similar to installing on a
> vertical wall using a horizontal shared rail racking system, array being
> about 32.8m (110') wide and 26.3m (86') tall
>
> The rails obviously have to be exactly perpendicular the entire length so
> we are taking extra care that the first row (top row) is true and using
> template spacers for each row down.  Only problem is that the top of the
> building is a concrete parapet and anything but level.
>
> Wondering if anyone has any good tips for getting that top row
> level/square and  keeping the rest of the rails perfectly perpendicular?
> (keeping in mind the length...32.8m (110')
>
> Much Thanks,
>
> *Benn Kilburn *
> CSA Certified Solar Photovoltaic Systems Electrician, SkyFire Energy Inc
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Vertical wall, shared rails

2016-10-17 Thread Dana Solar work

I have taken adjustable
ground mount racks & flipped them upside down. They work great as long as you 
got something safe to bolt securely to like unistrut or through like concrete.

Dana Orzel 2087217003
Great Solarworks Inc - NABCEP#051112-136
e-d...@solarwork.com c-2087217003
"Responsible Technology for Responsible People since 1988"

On Oct 17, 2016, at 5:49 PM, Benn Kilburn  wrote:

Hello Wrenches,
Wondering if any of you have ever done anything similar to installing on a 
vertical wall using a horizontal shared rail racking system, array being about 
32.8m (110') wide and 26.3m (86') tall

The rails obviously have to be exactly perpendicular the entire length so we 
are taking extra care that the first row (top row) is true and using template 
spacers for each row down.  Only problem is that the top of the building is a 
concrete parapet and anything but level.

Wondering if anyone has any good tips for getting that top row level/square and 
 keeping the rest of the rails perfectly perpendicular? (keeping in mind the 
length...32.8m (110')

Much Thanks,
Benn Kilburn 
CSA Certified Solar Photovoltaic Systems Electrician, SkyFire Energy Inc
14515 – 121A Ave NW | Edmonton, AB | T5L 2T2
P: 780-474-8992 | F: 888-405-5843 | www.skyfireenergy.com


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Re: [RE-wrenches] Vertical wall, shared rails

2016-10-17 Thread Benn Kilburn

Hey Bill,
I've spoken with a couple distributers of quality lasers (Leica, for
example) and explained the details and they agree the width and location we
are working at poise the real challenges here.

The laser beams get a fair bit more difficult to see in the daylight
(fortunately for this case the days are getting shorter quicker around
here).

I agree that some use of a laser will probably work for us, I just thought
i'd throw this out there to see if anyone on this list has tackled
something similar and see if they have any insights to share.

Thanks,


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On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 6:32 PM, Bill Loesch 
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> Ben,
>
> There are a multitude of laser levels (in a multitude of forms) available
> to do what I think you are trying to do.
>
> The 110 feet might be an issue but if you are consistent you can probably
> plot the location for halfway and then repeat the process for the second
> half. Perhaps there is already a level that accommodates the 110 foot range
> in one effort? Best wishes, let us know what you decided and how it turned
> out.
>
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>
> On 10/17/2016 6:49 PM, Benn Kilburn wrote:
>
> Hello Wrenches,
> Wondering if any of you have ever done anything similar to installing on a
> vertical wall using a horizontal shared rail racking system, array being
> about 32.8m (110') wide and 26.3m (86') tall
>
> The rails obviously have to be exactly perpendicular the entire length so
> we are taking extra care that the first row (top row) is true and using
> template spacers for each row down.  Only problem is that the top of the
> building is a concrete parapet and anything but level.
>
> Wondering if anyone has any good tips for getting that top row
> level/square and  keeping the rest of the rails perfectly perpendicular?
> (keeping in mind the length...32.8m (110')
>
> Much Thanks,
> *Benn Kilburn *
> CSA Certified Solar Photovoltaic Systems Electrician, SkyFire Energy Inc
> 14515 – 121A Ave NW | Edmonton, AB | T5L 2T2
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Vertical wall, shared rails

2016-10-17 Thread Bill Loesch


Ben,

There are a multitude of laser levels (in a multitude of forms) 
available to do what I think you are trying to do.


The 110 feet might be an issue but if you are consistent you can 
probably plot the location for halfway and then repeat the process for 
the second half. Perhaps there is already a level that accommodates the 
110 foot range in one effort? Best wishes, let us know what you decided 
and how it turned out.


Bill Loesch
Solar 1 - Saint Louis Solar
314 631 1094

On 10/17/2016 6:49 PM, Benn Kilburn wrote:

Hello Wrenches,
Wondering if any of you have ever done anything similar to installing 
on a vertical wall using a horizontal shared rail racking system, 
array being about 32.8m (110') wide and 26.3m (86') tall


The rails obviously have to be exactly perpendicular the entire length 
so we are taking extra care that the first row (top row) is true and 
using template spacers for each row down.  Only problem is that the 
top of the building is a concrete parapet and anything but level.


Wondering if anyone has any good tips for getting that top row 
level/square and  keeping the rest of the rails perfectly 
perpendicular? (keeping in mind the length...32.8m (110')


Much Thanks,
*Benn Kilburn *
CSA Certified Solar Photovoltaic Systems Electrician, SkyFire Energy Inc
14515 – 121A Ave NW | Edmonton, AB | T5L 2T2
P: 780-474-8992 | F: 888-405-5843 | www.skyfireenergy.com 

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[RE-wrenches] Vertical wall, shared rails

2016-10-17 Thread Benn Kilburn

Hello Wrenches,
Wondering if any of you have ever done anything similar to installing on a
vertical wall using a horizontal shared rail racking system, array being
about 32.8m (110') wide and 26.3m (86') tall

The rails obviously have to be exactly perpendicular the entire length so
we are taking extra care that the first row (top row) is true and using
template spacers for each row down.  Only problem is that the top of the
building is a concrete parapet and anything but level.

Wondering if anyone has any good tips for getting that top row level/square
and  keeping the rest of the rails perfectly perpendicular? (keeping in
mind the length...32.8m (110')

Much Thanks,

*Benn Kilburn *
CSA Certified Solar Photovoltaic Systems Electrician, SkyFire Energy Inc
14515 – 121A Ave NW | Edmonton, AB | T5L 2T2
P: 780-474-8992 | F: 888-405-5843 | www.skyfireenergy.com
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