Re: [RE-wrenches] PV direct EV charging

2021-04-14 Thread Nick A Lucchese 
I have two of the inverters from Cyboenergy that I purchased about 6 years 
back. The off grid N model works fairly well with medium to large loads but 
will not run to operate things like Makita battery chargers or other small 
electronics unless another base load like a fan is added. It definitely never 
operated in the manner by running it’s own battery charger that they sold and 
marketed. I believe the newer unit accepts higher PV voltage now as well as the 
ability to operate with 48v nominal battery banks while initially it was only 
36v. Overall I concluded the only application for it was to run something 
simple like a large AC fan. The hot water heater model never worked for me 
either and all I ever got from them was excuses. It’s possible these products 
have evolved and improved but at the time it seemed like the founder was over 
burdened since he was also the one providing tech support. At $1100 each it was 
an expensive experiment much like the Heart Transverter I purchased in that 
same time frame. Both were hard lessons on trying to support the little guy. 

Seems like the Phocos Anygrid would be a better option if going down that road. 
I’ve been wanting to purchase one for awhile now but have no experience with it 
yet although I’ve been impressed with Phocos products in the past.

Nick


> On Apr 13, 2021, at 1:59 PM, r...@solshineenergy.com wrote:
> 
> There’s this company. I don’t have any experience with their products but the 
> concept is promising. 
> 
> http://cyboenergy.com/ 
> 
> rick brown
> SolShine Energy Alternatives, LLC
> Electrical & Solar Contracting Services
> www.SolShineEnergy.com
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> VA Master Electrician Lic# 2710062762
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 13, 2021, at 4:44 PM, Ray  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> We've done some off grid EV charging, and one thing that makes life much 
>> easier, is to go to the lower power chargers.  So far, we've just done PV to 
>> battery inverter to AC charger to car.  less efficient, but less trouble.  
>> We've also setup dedicated charging outlets/ circuits on relays to 
>> prioritize the house battery.  
>> 
>> Ray Walters
>> Remote Solar
>> 303 505-8760
>> On 4/13/21 4:29 PM, la...@starlightsolar.com 
>>  wrote:
>>> Mac,
>>> 
>>> You can charge with DC directly from a PV solar array without an inverter 
>>> or regulator. The current is self limiting by the amount of PV solar power 
>>> you are making at any moment.
>>> 
>>> The magic is knowing know how to trigger the charge port communications so 
>>> your EV controller knows that there is a safe connection to a DC power 
>>> source. Perhaps the will get you started: 
>>> https://www.evcreate.nl/chademo-fast-charging-in-diy/ 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Be safe when working with 500Vdc.
>>> 
>>> Larry Crutcher
>>> Starlight Solar Power Systems
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Apr 12, 2021, at 5:05 PM, Matt Sherald >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Mac,
>>> 
>>> Our car gobbles 11,500W when it's plugged in to the grid.  Even if we 
>>> reduced the charge rate it would still be a heck of a draw - the chargers 
>>> in the EVs are greedy.  I'll be curious to hear if anyone has a solution, 
>>> but my bet is that you need to give the EV a deep well to pull from 
>>> (probably deeper than a battery bank or PV array can directly and 
>>> consistently satisfy).
>>> 
>>> -Matt
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Apr 12, 2021 at 7:55 PM Mac Lewis >> > wrote:
>>> Sorry, I should have clarified, I am interested in EV charging with no grid 
>>> available.  I think that Solaredge requires a grid
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Apr 12, 2021 at 5:51 PM Dana Orzel >> > wrote:
>>> SolarEdge
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>>> From: RE-wrenches >> > On Behalf Of Mac Lewis
>>> Sent: Monday, April 12, 2021 5:24 PM
>>> To: RE-wrenches >> >
>>> Subject: [RE-wrenches] PV direct EV charging
>>> 
>>>  
>>> Hey wrenches,
>>> 
>>>  
>>> Are there any purpose built inverters designed to charge an EV,  PV direct 
>>> without batteries?
>>> 
>>>  
>>> Thanks in advance
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> --
>>> 
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> Mac Lewis

Re: [RE-wrenches] PV direct EV charging

2021-04-13 Thread r...@solshineenergy.com 
There’s this company. I don’t have any experience with their products but the 
concept is promising. 

http://cyboenergy.com/

rick brown
SolShine Energy Alternatives, LLC
Electrical & Solar Contracting Services
www.SolShineEnergy.com
Check, Virginia 24072
O: 540.235.3095
M: 540.808.9502

VA Class A Contractor Lic# 2705147660
VA Master Electrician Lic# 2710062762
VA Alternative Energy Systems Installer  
NABCEP Certified PV Installation Professional 110112-21





> On Apr 13, 2021, at 4:44 PM, Ray  wrote:
> 
> 
> We've done some off grid EV charging, and one thing that makes life much 
> easier, is to go to the lower power chargers.  So far, we've just done PV to 
> battery inverter to AC charger to car.  less efficient, but less trouble.  
> We've also setup dedicated charging outlets/ circuits on relays to prioritize 
> the house battery.  
> 
> Ray Walters
> Remote Solar
> 303 505-8760
> On 4/13/21 4:29 PM, la...@starlightsolar.com wrote:
>> Mac,
>> 
>> You can charge with DC directly from a PV solar array without an inverter or 
>> regulator. The current is self limiting by the amount of PV solar power you 
>> are making at any moment.
>> 
>> The magic is knowing know how to trigger the charge port communications so 
>> your EV controller knows that there is a safe connection to a DC power 
>> source. Perhaps the will get you started: 
>> https://www.evcreate.nl/chademo-fast-charging-in-diy/
>> 
>> Be safe when working with 500Vdc.
>> 
>> Larry Crutcher
>> Starlight Solar Power Systems
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Apr 12, 2021, at 5:05 PM, Matt Sherald  wrote:
>> 
>> Mac,
>> 
>> Our car gobbles 11,500W when it's plugged in to the grid.  Even if we 
>> reduced the charge rate it would still be a heck of a draw - the chargers in 
>> the EVs are greedy.  I'll be curious to hear if anyone has a solution, but 
>> my bet is that you need to give the EV a deep well to pull from (probably 
>> deeper than a battery bank or PV array can directly and consistently 
>> satisfy).
>> 
>> -Matt
>> 
>> On Mon, Apr 12, 2021 at 7:55 PM Mac Lewis  wrote:
>>> Sorry, I should have clarified, I am interested in EV charging with no grid 
>>> available.  I think that Solaredge requires a grid
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Apr 12, 2021 at 5:51 PM Dana Orzel  wrote:
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 Subject: [RE-wrenches] PV direct EV charging
 
  
 
 Hey wrenches,
 
  
 
 Are there any purpose built inverters designed to charge an EV,  PV direct 
 without batteries?
 
  
 
 Thanks in advance
 
 
 
  
 
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Re: [RE-wrenches] PV direct EV charging

2021-04-13 Thread Ray 
We've done some off grid EV charging, and one thing that makes life much 
easier, is to go to the lower power chargers.  So far, we've just done 
PV to battery inverter to AC charger to car.  less efficient, but less 
trouble.  We've also setup dedicated charging outlets/ circuits on 
relays to prioritize the house battery.


Ray Walters
Remote Solar
303 505-8760

On 4/13/21 4:29 PM, la...@starlightsolar.com wrote:

Mac,

You can charge with DC directly from a PV solar array without an 
inverter or regulator. The current is self limiting by the amount of 
PV solar power you are making at any moment.


The magic is knowing know how to trigger the charge port 
communications so your EV controller knows that there is a safe 
connection to a DC power source. Perhaps the will get you started:
https://www.evcreate.nl/chademo-fast-charging-in-diy/ 



Be safe when working with 500Vdc.

Larry Crutcher
Starlight Solar Power Systems




On Apr 12, 2021, at 5:05 PM, Matt Sherald > wrote:


Mac,

Our car gobbles 11,500W when it's plugged in to the grid.  Even if we 
reduced the charge rate it would still be a heck of a draw - the 
chargers in the EVs are greedy.  I'll be curious to hear if anyone has 
a solution, but my bet is that you need to give the EV a deep well to 
pull from (probably deeper than a battery bank or PV array can 
directly and consistently satisfy).


-Matt

On Mon, Apr 12, 2021 at 7:55 PM Mac Lewis > wrote:


Sorry, I should have clarified, I am interested in EV charging
with no grid available.  I think that Solaredge requires a grid

On Mon, Apr 12, 2021 at 5:51 PM Dana Orzel mailto:d...@solarwork.com>> wrote:

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Hey wrenches,

Are there any purpose built inverters designed to charge an
EV,  PV direct without batteries?

Thanks in advance


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Re: [RE-wrenches] PV direct EV charging

2021-04-13 Thread la...@starlightsolar.com 
Mac,

You can charge with DC directly from a PV solar array without an inverter or 
regulator. The current is self limiting by the amount of PV solar power you are 
making at any moment.

The magic is knowing know how to trigger the charge port communications so your 
EV controller knows that there is a safe connection to a DC power source. 
Perhaps the will get you started: 
https://www.evcreate.nl/chademo-fast-charging-in-diy/

Be safe when working with 500Vdc.

Larry Crutcher
Starlight Solar Power Systems




On Apr 12, 2021, at 5:05 PM, Matt Sherald  wrote:

Mac,

Our car gobbles 11,500W when it's plugged in to the grid.  Even if we reduced 
the charge rate it would still be a heck of a draw - the chargers in the EVs 
are greedy.  I'll be curious to hear if anyone has a solution, but my bet is 
that you need to give the EV a deep well to pull from (probably deeper than a 
battery bank or PV array can directly and consistently satisfy).

-Matt

On Mon, Apr 12, 2021 at 7:55 PM Mac Lewis mailto:maclew...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Sorry, I should have clarified, I am interested in EV charging with no grid 
available.  I think that Solaredge requires a grid

On Mon, Apr 12, 2021 at 5:51 PM Dana Orzel mailto:d...@solarwork.com>> wrote:
SolarEdge

 

 

 

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P Please consider the environment before printing this email.

 

 

From: RE-wrenches mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org>> On Behalf Of Mac Lewis
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2021 5:24 PM
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Subject: [RE-wrenches] PV direct EV charging

 

Hey wrenches,

 

Are there any purpose built inverters designed to charge an EV,  PV direct 
without batteries?

 

Thanks in advance



 

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Re: [RE-wrenches] PV direct EV charging

2021-04-12 Thread Matt Sherald 
Mac,

Our car gobbles 11,500W when it's plugged in to the grid.  Even if we
reduced the charge rate it would still be a heck of a draw - the chargers
in the EVs are greedy.  I'll be curious to hear if anyone has a solution,
but my bet is that you need to give the EV a deep well to pull from
(probably deeper than a battery bank or PV array can directly and
consistently satisfy).

-Matt

On Mon, Apr 12, 2021 at 7:55 PM Mac Lewis  wrote:

> Sorry, I should have clarified, I am interested in EV charging with no
> grid available.  I think that Solaredge requires a grid
>
> On Mon, Apr 12, 2021 at 5:51 PM Dana Orzel  wrote:
>
>> SolarEdge
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>> *Subject:* [RE-wrenches] PV direct EV charging
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>>
>> Hey wrenches,
>>
>>
>>
>> Are there any purpose built inverters designed to charge an EV,  PV
>> direct without batteries?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks in advance
>>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] PV direct EV charging

2021-04-12 Thread Dana Orzel 
I just kind of ran into this issue a client wanted to charge a Tesla at night 
but the Tesla battery is 3.5 times larger what the than the house needed. The 
cost of nighttime charging shut the project down. You can operate a car charger 
off a 240 volt inverter at either 120 or 240 volt. The 120 volt takes a lot 
longer. Depends on your needs.

 

 

 

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From: RE-wrenches  On Behalf Of Mac 
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Sorry, I should have clarified, I am interested in EV charging with no grid 
available.  I think that Solaredge requires a grid

 

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Subject: [RE-wrenches] PV direct EV charging

 

Hey wrenches,

 

Are there any purpose built inverters designed to charge an EV,  PV direct 
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Re: [RE-wrenches] PV direct EV charging

2021-04-12 Thread Mac Lewis 
Sorry, I should have clarified, I am interested in EV charging with no grid
available.  I think that Solaredge requires a grid

On Mon, Apr 12, 2021 at 5:51 PM Dana Orzel  wrote:

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Re: [RE-wrenches] PV direct EV charging

2021-04-12 Thread Dana Orzel 
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Dana Orzel  Great Solar Works, Inc. 

C - 208.721.7003   d...@solarwork.com

Idaho Contractor - # 028765 Idaho PV # 028374

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From: RE-wrenches  On Behalf Of Mac 
Lewis
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2021 5:24 PM
To: RE-wrenches 
Subject: [RE-wrenches] PV direct EV charging

 

Hey wrenches,

 

Are there any purpose built inverters designed to charge an EV,  PV direct 
without batteries?

 

Thanks in advance




 

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