[RedDevils] PREM: Results and attendances

2003-10-26 Thread Barry Leeming

*** RESULTS ON 25/10/03 ***

Saturday 25th October 2003

 Aston Villa   0-0   Everton   36,146
Bolton Wanderers   0-1   Birmingham City   25,023
 Chelsea   1-0   Manchester City   41,040
   Liverpool   3-1   Leeds United  43,599
   Manchester United   1-3   Fulham67,727
Newcastle United   3-0   Portsmouth52,161
 Southampton   2-0   Blackburn Rovers  31,620
   Wolverhampton   4-3   Leicester City28,578
*** FULL LEAGUE TABLE *** (as at 25/10/03)

  H o m e   A w a y
Pos Team   P  W  D  L   F   A   W  D  L   F   A   GD Pts

 1  Chelsea   10  4  1  0  10   5   3  1  1  10   4   11  23
 2  Arsenal9  4  1  0  10   5   3  1  0   8   2   11  23
 3  Manchester United 10  3  1  1   9   3   4  0  1   9   3   12  22
 4  Birmingham City   10  2  3  0   5   2   3  1  1   4   34  19
 5  Fulham10  2  2  1   9   7   3  1  1  11   67  18
 6  Southampton   10  3  1  1   5   1   1  3  1   5   45  16
 7  Manchester City   10  2  2  1  12   6   2  1  2   8   68  15
 8  Newcastle United  10  2  1  2   5   3   2  2  1  10   93  15
 9  Liverpool 10  2  1  2   7   6   2  1  2   8   54  14
10  Charlton Athletic  9  1  1  2   5   9   3  1  1   8   31  14
11  Portsmouth10  3  0  2   9   5   0  3  2   2   7   -1  12
12  Tottenham Hotspur  9  2  0  2   6   7   1  2  2   4   6   -3  11
13  Everton   10  2  2  1   9   6   0  2  3   3   8   -2  10
14  Aston Villa   10  2  3  0   6   3   0  1  4   2   9   -4  10
15  Wolverhampton 10  2  1  2   5  12   0  2  3   2   9  -14   9
16  Blackburn Rovers  10  1  0  4   8  10   1  2  2   7   9   -4   8
17  Bolton Wanderers  10  1  3  1   5   4   0  2  3   3  15  -11   8

18  Leeds United  10  1  2  2   4   6   1  0  4   5  15  -12   8
19  Middlesbrough  9  1  0  4   4  10   1  1  2   3   5   -8   7
20  Leicester City10  1  2  2   8   8   0  0  5   6  13   -7   5



*** CONDENSED LEAGUE TABLE *** (as at 25/10/03)

Pos Team   P  W  D  L   F   A   GD Pts
--
 1  Chelsea   10  7  2  1  20   9   11  23
 2  Arsenal9  7  2  0  18   7   11  23
 3  Manchester United 10  7  1  2  18   6   12  22
 4  Birmingham City   10  5  4  1   9   54  19
 5  Fulham10  5  3  2  20  137  18
 6  Southampton   10  4  4  2  10   55  16
 7  Manchester City   10  4  3  3  20  128  15
 8  Newcastle United  10  4  3  3  15  123  15
 9  Liverpool 10  4  2  4  15  114  14
10  Charlton Athletic  9  4  2  3  13  121  14
11  Portsmouth10  3  3  4  11  12   -1  12
12  Tottenham Hotspur  9  3  2  4  10  13   -3  11
13  Everton   10  2  4  4  12  14   -2  10
14  Aston Villa   10  2  4  4   8  12   -4  10
15  Wolverhampton 10  2  3  5   7  21  -14   9
16  Blackburn Rovers  10  2  2  6  15  19   -4   8
17  Bolton Wanderers  10  1  5  4   8  19  -11   8
--
18  Leeds United  10  2  2  6   9  21  -12   8
19  Middlesbrough  9  2  1  6   7  15   -8   7
20  Leicester City10  1  2  7  14  21   -7   5



*** HOME ATTENDANCE TABLE *** (as at 25/10/03)

   Manchester United  67,659
Newcastle United @@ 52,095
 Manchester City @@@ 46,671
   Liverpool @@ 43,985
 Chelsea  41,105
 Everton @@ 38,592
 Arsenal @@ 38,072
Leeds United @ 36,197
   Tottenham Hotspur  34,924
 Aston Villa  34,526
 Southampton @@ 31,565
  Leicester City @@ 31,294
   Middlesbrough @ 30,246
 Birmingham City @ 28,934
   Wolverhampton  28,672
   Charlton Athletic @@@ 26,176
Bolton Wanderers @@@ 25,801
Blackburn Rovers @@ 24,326
  Portsmouth @@@ 20,093
  Fulham @ 15,566



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[RedDevils] Eric bedded girl in front of clubbers

2003-10-26 Thread helene blatte
BOOK THEY TRIED TO BAN: Man Utd laid bare




By Jules Stenson, Chief Feature Writer, News of the World

MARRIED Man Utd legend Eric Cantona had a threesome with a porn club beauty
and another man on a giant circular bed as a gang of revellers looked on.

The lovecheat Frenchman cast his vows to the wind when he visited the wild
Paris venue with his ex-SAS minder Michael Ned Kelly.

Kelly was appointed to look after the soccer star‹recently voted the club's
greatest ever player‹following his infamous kung-fu kick on a fan in 1995.

In his bombshell new book, Manchester United: The Untold Story, which the
club tried to ban, the author also tells how Cantona:

VISITED a brothel where all the prostitutes wore numbers for a kinky pick
and mix game.

BEDDED the beautiful and willing wife of a household-name United star.

SEDUCED a sex-mad woman employee at a Manchester club.

Kelly had little idea what was in store when he was appointed personal
bodyguard to 37-year-old Cantona.

But he soon discovered the truth about the love-rat star's repeated
betrayals of wife Isabelle in a string of debauched encounters.

Kelly recalled: I was out on the town in Paris with Eric when he insisted
we end the night at his favourite watering-hole.

We met up with a couple of Eric's friends, who I'll call Pierre and Luc.
The club had wall-to-wall porn beaming down from angled TV screens but, in
the basement bar, the action was strictly live.

In the centre of the floor was a huge circular bed, so none of the
onlookers would miss an inch of the action.

Tongue

All one had to do was climb on the bed and wait to be joined by another
enthusiastic participant, to have sex while everyone else looked on.

After a few bottles of champagne, one of the club bosses‹a friend of
Eric's‹ joined us at the bar.

The man called over a stunning woman he introduced as his wife. The
chemistry between her and Eric was electric‹but I thought I was seeing
things as I watched her lead Eric and Luc toward the bed.

Eric flashed me a wink and stuck his tongue out like a schoolboy heading
for the cream bun counter in a baker's.

ŒWhat the ?' I asked Pierre. But I was speaking to the back of his head
as he was also on his way to the bed wrapped around a tall blonde.

Eric tried to call me over to join in with Luc and his romp. I later
discovered the wife was an ex-porn star.

Kelly describes the 1997 night out as the most surreal experience of my
life. 

Cantona‹who has a son Raphael, 13, and daughter Josephine, six, with
38-year-old Isabelle‹moved them to Bar-celona, Spain, after quitting soccer
and turning to acting. In the spring of 1999, he invited Kelly for the
weekend. 

Eric declared we must go out on the town, he said. As usual, after a few
drinks, the conversation turned to women and, after a few reminiscences, I
stopped Eric in his tracks.

I told him, ŒI know who you were sing in my flat when you borrowed it
for your secret liaisons'. Eric was dumbstruck.

ŒWho then?' he asked. I named the wife of a former top United star whose
car I often used to see parked outside my flat whenever she and Eric met.

He exclaimed, ŒHow did you find out?' ŒIt's my business to know everything,
Eric', I told him.

Kelly adds: Eric then drove us to a less salubrious side of town. We went
to an underground car park, then up by lift. Three floors later, Eric was
knocking at a flat door which opened to reveal wall-to-wall hookers.

The girls were stunning and all had numbered badges. It was like a kinky
pick and mix. Cantona selected a girl and led her to a private room.

Kelly recalls: From discussions I'd had over the years with Eric, I knew he
had a penchant for slapping women's backsides.

Flirting

And from the noises coming from next door, this lady had apparently been
very naughty. 

After that we headed for his favourite karaoke bar and the reception he got
from punters and staff told me he was as popular here as at Old Trafford.

But not as popular as he'd been in one Manchester sports club.

Kelly writes: One woman there was very attractive and was extremely
hospitable to both of us‹especially Eric.

She was always ushering him into an office and, while I socialised with
club members, he'd be taking advantage of the more exclusive services on
offer to him behind closed doors.

Kelly tells of another night in a Manchester bar where Cantona and a French
friend, Pascal, were flirting shamelessly with two pretty women‹ watched by
their irate husbands.

In no time at all they were squaring up to Eric and Pascal, says the
author. 

I offered sincere apologies to the well-built husbands. Eric bought the two
couples champagne and calm was eventually restored.

To be fair, Eric rarely played away during his time in the UK.

While at Manchester, I don't think it would be unkind to suggest that he
lived a pretty basic lifestyle and it was only on my own recommendation that
he and his family moved from the ex-council house they were given by United
to the more 

[RedDevils] Fergie raged over sick chairman

2003-10-26 Thread helene blatte



SIR Alex Ferguson knew of disgraced Martin Edwards' perversions long before
the former chairman's sordid habits were exposed, Kelly reveals.

As long ago as 1998, Fergie and the SAS man discussed an incident where
Edwards‹who quit last year‹was caught following a woman into a toilet.

Ferguson raged: It's unbelievable. The Press would have a field day. Kelly
replied: ŒI know, boss. I must be the only security chief in football who
has to try and stop the chairman going into the ladies' toilets. Kelly
first became aware of the problem in the Eighties when Edwards visited an
SAS barracks to award soccer prizes to soldiers.

Edwards was seen following a soldier's wife into the ladies', he writes.
The lad concerned was all for tearing Edwards' head off, but I quietened
him down. 

In 1996 United press secretary Ken Ramsden warned him Edwards' visits to the
ladies' were becoming more frequent. Kelly replied: No problem, I'll keep
steering him towards the gents'. He writes: The chairman's fetish was a
source of amusement to the players, but undeniably embarrassing. He seemed
to have a compulsion to invade women's space in their most private moments.
Eventually his deviations would destroy him.

Edwards, 57, was caught with a prostitute in Rio at the FIFA World Club
Championships in 2000. Another complaint of a ladies' toilet misdemeanour
brought him a police caution. Kelly said: It seemed sad that a potentially
great man will now only be remembered as little more than a pervert.
BOOK THEY TRIED TO BAN: Man Utd laid bare

Married soccer legend bedded girl in front of clubbers


By Jules Stenson, Chief Feature Writer

MARRIED Man Utd legend Eric Cantona had a threesome with a porn club beauty
and another man on a giant circular bed as a gang of revellers looked on.

The lovecheat Frenchman cast his vows to the wind when he visited the wild
Paris venue with his ex-SAS minder Michael Ned Kelly.

Kelly was appointed to look after the soccer star‹recently voted the club's
greatest ever player‹following his infamous kung-fu kick on a fan in 1995.

In his bombshell new book, Manchester United: The Untold Story, which the
club tried to ban, the author also tells how Cantona:

VISITED a brothel where all the prostitutes wore numbers for a kinky pick
and mix game.

BEDDED the beautiful and willing wife of a household-name United star.

SEDUCED a sex-mad woman employee at a Manchester club.

Kelly had little idea what was in store when he was appointed personal
bodyguard to 37-year-old Cantona.

But he soon discovered the truth about the love-rat star's repeated
betrayals of wife Isabelle in a string of debauched encounters.

Kelly recalled: I was out on the town in Paris with Eric when he insisted
we end the night at his favourite watering-hole.

We met up with a couple of Eric's friends, who I'll call Pierre and Luc.
The club had wall-to-wall porn beaming down from angled TV screens but, in
the basement bar, the action was strictly live.

In the centre of the floor was a huge circular bed, so none of the
onlookers would miss an inch of the action.

Tongue

All one had to do was climb on the bed and wait to be joined by another
enthusiastic participant, to have sex while everyone else looked on.

After a few bottles of champagne, one of the club bosses‹a friend of
Eric's‹ joined us at the bar.

The man called over a stunning woman he introduced as his wife. The
chemistry between her and Eric was electric‹but I thought I was seeing
things as I watched her lead Eric and Luc toward the bed.

Eric flashed me a wink and stuck his tongue out like a schoolboy heading
for the cream bun counter in a baker's.

ŒWhat the ?' I asked Pierre. But I was speaking to the back of his head
as he was also on his way to the bed wrapped around a tall blonde.

Eric tried to call me over to join in with Luc and his romp. I later
discovered the wife was an ex-porn star.

Kelly describes the 1997 night out as the most surreal experience of my
life. 

Cantona‹who has a son Raphael, 13, and daughter Josephine, six, with
38-year-old Isabelle‹moved them to Bar-celona, Spain, after quitting soccer
and turning to acting. In the spring of 1999, he invited Kelly for the
weekend. 

Eric declared we must go out on the town, he said. As usual, after a few
drinks, the conversation turned to women and, after a few reminiscences, I
stopped Eric in his tracks.

I told him, ŒI know who you were sing in my flat when you borrowed it
for your secret liaisons'. Eric was dumbstruck.

ŒWho then?' he asked. I named the wife of a former top United star whose
car I often used to see parked outside my flat whenever she and Eric met.

He exclaimed, ŒHow did you find out?' ŒIt's my business to know everything,
Eric', I told him.

Kelly adds: Eric then drove us to a less salubrious side of town. We went
to an underground car park, then up by lift. Three floors later, Eric was
knocking at a flat door which opened to reveal wall-to-wall hookers.

The girls were 

[RedDevils] Fergie hired SAS to spy on players

2003-10-26 Thread helene blatte
Here we go, here we go, here we go.

Kelly's Heroes get knifed. What a nice man he must be;
`
Dave Blatt




BOOK THEY TRIED TO BAN:

Man Utd laid bare



By Jules Stenson, Chief Feature Writer

MANCHESTER United boss Sir Alex Ferguson used a task force of SAS soldiers
to spy on star players' private lives, the club's ex-head of security has
sensationally revealed.

In a shattering book United tried to ban, Michael Ned Kelly‹who spent 11
years in the elite Who Dares Wins regiment before moving to Old
Trafford‹details every covert operation he carried out.

His meticulously-planned missions, many involving former and even active SAS
chums, included:

TAILING an England international transfer target to see if he was a drug
user.

REPORTING on the movements of David Beckham so United could keep tabs on his
home life.

PROBING the lifestyle of a young Red Devils defender to see if he was
keeping bad company.

SWEEPING the paranoid manager's own family home for phone bugs and hidden
microphones.

Being ORDERED to sweep the home of one of Fergie's close associates.

INVESTIGATING the notorious drug habits of a top goalkeeper.

Says Kelly, 55: There's little doubt in my mind that certain elements
within the United hierarchy let the sheer size of this club overtake their
sense of fair and proper behaviour. They were playing God.

United threatened an injunction to stop Kelly's shock manuscript being
revealed in the News of the World. But we successfully fought their legal
action and the club caved in.

Kelly told how Chris Sutton, a current Celtic star and former goal ace for
both Chelsea and Blackburn, was targeted by Fergie's spy network.

He says: He'd never have been aware that, for two weeks of his life, he was
watched 24 hours a day.

The then-head scout at United, Les Kershaw, wanted a report.

Rumours

Chris played for Norwich at the time and the surveillance team went over
there, Œpicked him up' after a City home game, then followed and
photographed his every move and checked out his associates.

There were four people tailing him including one woman. The team was led by
two SAS guys who'd previously been with the Army's 14th Intelligence Company
in Northern Ireland‹an elite unit that specialised in undercover
surveillance. 

After that Norwich game they followed him in three cars, swapping places
regularly. The woman came in handy when Sutton went into a bar. Then she
could join one of the male watchers to look like a couple.

The team would watch until he went to bed, then one of the boys would keep
his vehicle under surveillance by sleeping in the car park.

They even followed Sutton when he visited his son. After two weeks, I
submitted the report to Les Kershaw and told him we'd found absolutely
nothing to substantiate rumours of illegal substance abuse.

Despite the all-clear, manager Ferguson did not sign Sutton.

Kelly says Sir Alex, 61, was meticulous about gathering information‹and even
used his services to probe England skipper David Beckham, now with Real
Madrid. 

He writes: Fergie was adamant David should live within reasonable distance
of the stadium and training ground. Tales of him commuting from London after
he met Victoria would send Fergie into blind rages.

The situation came to a head on a trip abroad. Fergie pulled me to one side
in the airport VIP lounge and barked, ŒRight, Ned. Don't lie to me. Where's
Beckham living?' 

ŒLondon, boss, and travelling up and down to Old Trafford', I
replied‹inwardly cringing at having to tell tales on David.

Stare

Fergie's face was a study in controlled anger. ŒThat Beckham is taking the
p**s,' he growled. ŒYeah, boss,' I volunteered. ŒMaybe you should sell him'.

Fergie's blank stare told me he was thinking the same thing. But hearing it
from a third party must have brought home to him the enormity of losing
Beckham and he smiled, ŒNah, I'll sort him'.

Fergie knew the toll it would take on Beckham's fitness if he had to face
motorways or airports before training. He did, indeed, clip Beckham's wings
and it was agreed he would live near his workplace.

Kelly, who ran security at United for 12 years before leaving last year, was
also told by Sir Alex to keep a watch on his England stopper Wes Brown. He
says: Once Wes began earning big money at United, Fergie insisted he move
out of the family environment and get his own house.

My contacts would tell me he was sometimes out in Manchester, at one of the
players' favourite haunts.

There are five big crime families in the city who control things‹all very
well-known to the police.

The worry was they'd befriend Wes then get into United, so you'd see them
in the players' lounge.

I was told to make sure this didn't happen. The idea was to put a little
ring of steel around Wes.

That didn't mean my boys would accompany him when he went out on the
town‹just that he was watched so we'd know if anything untoward happened.
Thankfully, it never did while I was at United.

Sir Alex also grew hugely 

[RedDevils] I-Spy

2003-10-26 Thread John Whitney
Kelly's Heroes? SAS spies? 

Where the hell were they when Fergie was on the trail of signing Dwight Yorke? I'd 
love to see that report!

Cheers,

John



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[RedDevils] United in good Kompany

2003-10-26 Thread Janette Sewell


Manchester United are hoping to beat a host of interested parties to the
signature of Anderlecht defender Vincent Kompany, reports The People.
The 17-year-old was watched in his side's Champions League outing against
Celtic and is valued at £2million.
Kompany was recently selected for the Belgium side for a 2004 Euro qualifier.

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[RedDevils] Fergie would sack drug takers

2003-10-26 Thread Janette Sewell


Sir Alex Ferguson has vowed to sack any of his players caught taking drugs.
The Manchester United manager has promised fans that he will not tolerate
players taking drugs, be it for social use or to enhance their performance
on the field.
Ferguson told the News of the World: I would like our supporters to be sure
of one thing: if there were any danger of one of our players dabbling in any
kind of drug, be it to enhance his performance or for his social life, he
would be quickly gone from Manchester United.
Be assured that the manager, his coaches and medical staff would know.
Believe me, we have nothing like that at Old Trafford.
Ferguson has stood by defender Rio Ferdinand who has been the centre of a
drugs controversy since failing to take a test.
There has been no suggestion that Ferdinand has been taking banned
substances but his failure to take an official test is a serious matter and
could lead to a ban.
The Football Association has gathered evidence surrounding Ferdinand's missed test and 
are considering their course of action.

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[RedDevils] Betrayal of trust

2003-10-26 Thread helene blatte
As odious as Ned Kelly is as a man, I just want to raise the subject of
betrayal of trust. 

It doesn't matter to me if you are a butler, head of security or a lover,
unless the person(s) who employed you committed murder, plotted to blow up
the Twin Towers or supported City, your employment and your salary bought
your silence/trust. That's one of the reasons they employed you.

In business there are confidentiality clauses (Hello Peter). In affairs such
intimacy should bring its own rewards.

I get sick and tired of reading in the Sunday Papers all these revealing
stories. OK, you could say don't read the Sunday papers if it makes you so
mad, but hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil is not the solution.

We all have our own morality. I've been faithful to Manchester United since
before I was born but even I have seen Leyton Orient and Ilford (when they
were alive) play at home.

Ned Kelly was handsomely paid, even if he himself is ugly. As a former SAS
man surely he more than anyone should abide by the rule of silence. For me
this makes his revelations, whether true or exaggerated, even more
appalling.

As for the revelations themselves. Well, that's a debate in itself.


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Re: [RedDevils] Fergie would sack drug takers

2003-10-26 Thread helene blatte

 Ferguson told the News of the World: I would like our supporters to be sure
 of one thing: if there were any danger of one of our players dabbling in any
 kind of drug, be it to enhance his performance or for his social life, he
 would be quickly gone from Manchester United.


I feel Fergie, The FA, The Olympic Committee and my parents should make the
distinction between performance enhancing drugs and social drugs. To lump
them all together is lazy, predictable and does not address the problem.

Social drugs include tobacco and alcohol, which although legal, are far more
damaging than marajana (in my opinion). Does Fergie's blanket ban apply to
his beloved claret?

Social drugs, by their very nature, reduce not enhance sporting performance.
Any professional sportsperson should be big enough, old enough and ugly
enough to make their own choices between attempting to reach the summit in
their chosen sport, or have a good time. They shouldn't be punished by
outside agencies which have a political agenda and not the welfare of the
athelete at heart.


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[RedDevils] Never-never land

2003-10-26 Thread Paul Windridge
Never-never land

Manchester United 1 Fulham 3
Premier League Saturday 25th October 2003

Let¹s not beat about the bush here - United were outclassed and lucky to get
away with only conceding three goals. Fulham had waited nearly 40 years for
this victory and they thoroughly deserved it.

I had said, on the way up, during one of the most tedious of journeys, that
we should consider turning around and going home. It just seemed to be one
of those days. And it didn¹t help when we heard the team news. There was an
audible groan in the car when we discovered that, apart from Giggs, the
whole of the midfield had changed. Now, there may have been perfectly good
reasons for those changes (after all we are not privy to inside information)
but when big Rich suggested, ³They would only have to pin the United
teamsheet on the Fulham dressing room wall for motivation² that Tinkerbell
had escaped from Never-never land and had come out to play.

We only just made it in time for kick-off. We ran the last mile from the
Trafford, although I¹m not sure why we bothered. I could have saved myself
the effort and meandered down to the ground. Fulham turned up in their
fetching (not) off-the-shoulder tops, but United didn¹t. The red shirt is
supposed to signify power, strength and aggression, but there was none.

Fulham scored in the first few minutes. They could have been 3-0 up before
half time, and the only point of tangible amusement was when a lone red
wearing a ginger wig and tam o¹shanter hopped onto the edge of a gangway
wall and did a jig. The stewards didn¹t know what to do but fortunately
showed restraint, and the lad was finally escorted back to his seat to great
applause. 

When Diego scored in injury time, at the end of the first half, we
disregarded the total injustice of it all, celebrated wildly (more out of
relief than anything else) and went below in fairly high spirits. Fergie was
bound to skate down from his lofty perch on a tide of bile and the lads
would come out with their hair blasted. So the mood downstairs was
reasonably upbeat. And at the start of the second half it seemed as though
United would get their act together and turn the game around. For about 15
minutes United looked like themselves but that¹s when it ended. Fulham
scored twice more and there was no return.

I say there was no return, because there wasn¹t - but there should have
been. There was more than enough time for someone in a red shirt to get hold
of the game and turn it in our favour. It¹s happened so many times in the
past, but even Scholesy, when he came on with 20 minutes left, hardly got a
touch. Fulham were in complete control.

And that was the major disappointment - that there wasn¹t anyone who could
inspire the rest. There was no hope. Passion was replaced by lethargy. There
was no self belief. Not in the stands, where there was a great deal of
bellowing, much gnashing of teeth and a large dollop of f¹ing and blinding.
Major discontent spread as far as the black and white corner where it
disappeared in a wave of delirium. ³Can we play you every week?² they asked.
It¹s not something you want to hear at Old Trafford.

To top it all it pissed down as we left Old Trafford, perfectly mirroring
our mood. We got drenched on the way back to the car and I hadn¹t fully
dried out 3 hours later as got out of the car and almost fell into the
house. 

It was not a good day - not good at all.
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Copyright Paul Windridge 2003: http://www.Red11.org
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