Re: [RedDevils] 7 - 1
Stuffed at Christmas. I can't believe the players can forget so quickly how they scared the shit out of the Arse. This afternoon we looked as if we couldn't be Arsed. 50/50 balls - let the Boro have 'em. Pathetic. I can't believe players earning £20, 30, 50, 80,000 a week can play like me. Yeah, we can all have off-days but the players have the right to at least try. There's no doubt we have the talent, but commitment - I have my doubts. I think more hairdryers in the players stockings are called for. Dave Blatt *** Reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe to the list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe from the list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [RedDevils] FOR SA REDS ONLY
As an UK Red exiled in France, I know what it feels like to be so near (spiritually) but so far (physically). I've followed your exchanges with the suits at OT for the past 3/4 years and its history of olive branches and broken promises. Why am I saddened but not surprised at their antics and your action. May I wish all your fellow Reds the very best for the future. Your own, overwhelming personal contribution should be recognised by Reds all over the world. Keep the faith and it's great news to hear that your branch will rise, phoenix like, from the flames. As they say in the adverts... the new, improved model will be available from 2003/2004. regards Dave Blatt *** Reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe to the list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe from the list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[RedDevils] QUEIROZ ... Becks fan
CARLOS QUEIROZ kicked off his first day in charge of Real Madrid by singing the praises of David Beckham. The new Bernabeu coach chose the Bruce Springsteen anthem Born to Run to sum up the strength of the England skipper and what he can bring to the Spanish giants. Former Old Trafford No2 Queiroz, who has signed a two-year contract, declared: David is a brilliant professional, the type of guy who didn't miss one training session while I was at Manchester United. He is born to run - and I say that because it's as if he's addicted to training and working, making himself fitter and stronger. I like that ethic. And when people ask me whether having Luis Figo and David Beckham in the same team means that one of them will have to sit on the bench, then I answer that will only happen when one of them is injured or out of form. Portuguese star Figo currently occupies Becks' usual position on the wide right of midfield. And Queiroz, 50, hinted the time may have arrived for his £25million new boy to move to a more central position. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To Life's Important Questions. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lj3uPC/Me7FAA/ySSFAA/tsUolB/TM -~- *** Reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe to the list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe from the list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[RedDevils] Yahoo - Barney!
Hi Barney Your editorial email address is rejecting my messages. Please contact me off list so that I can send you my revised intro to the MMMoM article. regards Dave Blatt Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for Your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at Myinks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/l.m7sD/LIdGAA/qnsNAA/tsUolB/TM -~- *** Reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe to the list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe from the list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[RedDevils] too close for comfort?
REUTERS; LON; 04 SEP 2003; SP Upton Park Chief Terrence Brown has promised supporters that the hammer sales are over after selling fans in the Bobby Moore lower to Chelsea for GBP8m, despite claims he would only have to sell the fans in the Chicken Run. Brown had claimed in May, that the 'nucleus' of West Ham support would be kept. Brown's statement released yesterday read: Chelsea now have an array of talent on the field, but because they have no fans, and the ones they do have are crap, Roman came in and bid for some fans, I had to say yes. Plus they were getting on my nerves a bit As the deal was sealed, those entering the stadium for last nights game against Bradford, were whisked down to Stamford Bridge in coaches and ordered to support Chelsea. One former Hammers fan said: The board and I had been in discussions for 18 months about the renewal of my season ticket, but ultimately I just wanted Champions League football to further my enjoyment of the sport, something the club couldn't provide. So I've fcuked off to Chelsea with the players Another supporter said: I was preparing for life in division 1, when the board told me they'd sold me to Chelsea cos their fans are so pony. But now i'm here I'll forget about my past and start wearing naff earrings, mind you, it seems like yesterday I was telling fellow supporters not to pi$$ off and leave just cos we got relegated Trevor Brooking insisted today that no more supporters would have to be sold, despite claims in a newspaper this morning which suggested some fans would be loaned out to Portsmouth till the end of the season. However, Portsmouth club source stated that's fiction, because even if we did, we'd have nowhere to put them... because our ground is a $hit hole. Brown was unavailable for comment today as he had changed the GBP8m into five pound notes and was rolling in the money in his garden, laughing. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for Your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at Myinks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/l.m7sD/LIdGAA/qnsNAA/tsUolB/TM -~- *** Reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe to the list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe from the list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[RedDevils] Much Ado about Little
Virtually all the media speculation/frenzy since the announcement of Peter Kenyon's departure has been oh so predictable. I imagine we all could have written the articles ourselves. From the analytical ramblings of the broadsheets, stating the obvious, but using some long words to justify their inflated journalistic wages, to conspiracy theories from the tabloids about horse trading and the like. It goes without saying that the Board's plans for globalising the brand (pass the bucket, mother) will continue unopposed, with those in charge only a fraction less capable, as Kenyon came from a marketing background and Gill comes from a financial background. The club's creativity and vision may be partially curtailed, but whether that is a good or bad thing is open to debate. My principal concern, is that coming from a Martin Edwards financial background (pass the other bucket, mother) David Gill is more likely to sing from the Edwards hymn book and put more severe restrictions on Ferguson's dealings in the transfer market, which I believe would be counter productive in establishing Manchester United as the biggest and best football club in the world. Without the firmest of foundations in place you cannot build the tallest buildings. United's foundation is the team. It's the team's successes and glorious failures over decades that has built up our world-wide reeputation and support. Without the team and its fans the PLC's global strategy is built on a house of cards. The best team means the best players, home grown and transfers, and the best manager. Much of our success in the 1990's was in spite of, not due to Fartin' Martin's fiscal policy. I fervently hope that David Gill turns out to be a goldfish. By that I mean when he has transferred from his goldfish bowl to the pond, he grows within his new environment and expands his vision outside the spreadsheet. Only time will tell. Meanwhile I'm counting down the days to the next United AGM. Dave Blatt Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for Your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at Myinks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/l.m7sD/LIdGAA/qnsNAA/tsUolB/TM -~- *** Reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe to the list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe from the list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [RedDevils] 1958 v Arse
A couple of years ago I submitted an article to Red News entitled My very First Time in which I recollected my first match going experiences. Included was a brief reference to my first ever United game, and believe it or not, it was THAT game. I was 9 years old. Read On. Dave Blatt Arsenal 4-5 Man Utd (Feb 1, 1958) As their last game on English soil, this enthralling victory will forever be remembered as a fitting tribute to the 'Busby Babes', eight of whom died five days later in Munich. I spotted the above in a post pre- tomorrows game . Much is often written about the POST Munich game(s) , but I've never personally seen any account of this game . I know it's a long shot , but was anyone on the list(s) actually there who can give us their memories ? Only Pete's Dad comes to mind , but there must be others . ³O² - MY VERY FIRST TIME I was born on 17th June 1949 at the Middlesex Hospital in Mortimer Street in Central London. I was zero at the time but not for long. I began life with my parents in boring suburbia, South Woodford to be exact. In 1956 we owned our first television set, a black white Ferguson. (If you¹re looking for omens, go no further. Spooky!) It wasn¹t long before my mother came out with a line that only mothers could ever come out with. ³If you sit in front of the television all day, you¹ll end up with square eyes.² Now, hang on a minute here. With the value of hindsight let¹s examine that statement. In 1956 television programs only came on at something like 3.45pm in the afternoon, then finished abruptly at 6.00pm, so as not to temp the little lady of the house from her duties for the 2.4 family. Resumption at 7.30pm consisted of programs that no seven year old would be remotely interested in anyway. Square eyes. I don¹t think so. Didn¹t parents get away with murder in those days? Still, at the impressionable age of seven years old you believed everything your parents told you. I didn¹t want to succumb to this new disease that doctors had yet to find a cure for, so it fell to my Dad to find an answer. (We didn¹t have marketing bollocks words like ³solutions² in those days either thank fuck!) So what was the ³answer²? You¹ve guessed it football. Now this is quite interesting because my Dad didn¹t actually like football. Poor man. He paid lip service to Aston Villa, but only because, as a sargent, he was posted to an Italian prisoner-of-war camp in Aston, Birmingham during World War Two. Some of the local sqaddies followed The Villa and I suspect it was more a case of joining in so as to be accepted than some dark, recessed longing for the claret blues. Also, for no apparent reason, he chose a boy from my class, Stephen Moy, to accompany us to our very first football match. Why Stephen Moy you ask? Beats me. He wasn¹t even a friend of mine at the time, just a kid in my class at Oakdale County Primary School in South Woodford. In fact, if the truth be told, he was a bit ³ruff² and not the sort of boy Mum would normally let me play with. He dropped all his ³aitches² yet had the most beautiful handwriting. (I told you I was impressionable). A strange package indeed. So, what was our first match? Leyton Orient V Brighton Hove Albion in the old Second Division of course. You see, The ³O²¹s were my nearest league team, so it was logical they would be the first team I actually saw live. But I want you to know that I didn¹t go all the way. Not on a first date. It was OK I suppose. It was cold and everyone seemed bigger than me. I remember one team played in royal blue and one team played in orange. Orange! M, nice. So that was the team I supported that day. It was only as we came out of Brisbane Road that I overheard a conversation that lead me to the conclusion that I had mistakenly supported Brighton Hove Albion in their away colours. Still, no lasting psychological damage was done the game ended 2-2. For the next two years my Dad took me to the Bermondsey Triangle of First Division clubs, namely Arsenal, Tottenham and West Ham. At these larger grounds the weather was colder, people were taller and I saw even less. So, as you can see. Lots of dates. The odd kiss but I never went all the way. Then one night at Highbury it all changed. Even walking to the stadium I could feel the electricity in the air. I began to tingle. Inside the ground I entered a new dimension. WOW. The noise, the atmosphere. And when the teams came out that ROAR. This was foreplay above and beyond anything I had experienced before. ³What team¹s that, Dad? ³Manchester United, son.² ³Well Dad, that¹s the team for me.² At last - penetration. That all encompassing feeling when you know everything has finally come together. That spark that had been missing suddenly exploded in front of me, inside me and all around me. I was in love. This really was the first day of the rest of my life. The speed, the skill, the sea-saw of scoring and emotion. I actually saw
Re: [RedDevils] boring 0-0 draw? I don't think so.
From: helene blatte [EMAIL PROTECTED] Arsenal must have come in at half time and thought How the fuck did we get away with that? as the person sitting next to me pointed out - we had a huge Scholes-shaped hole in our team and it really brought it home today. I think if he'd been there we would have won. That's easy to say, but I truly believe it. Hope he's back soon. Bruce I couldn't agree more about Scholsey. It was so apparent to me as well as the match unfolded. That one extra dimension that would have unlocked Arsenals predictable but effective defence. Now, what about Ronaldo? Pretty or effective, or pretty effective? On the ball he's wonderful to watch and excites the crowd, but unlike our Georgie in the sixties who poccessed a myriad of virtuoso ball skills, Christiano's mesmorising reportoire consists of feinting his feet over the ball as the ball runs on in a straight line. Lovely to see, but if the defender is doing his job properly he just waits for moment to go for the ball whose trajectory is predictable - it continues in a straight line. Then if the defender doesn't like looking a plonker in front of a lot of people he brings Christiano down. I'll now answer my own question. First of all, by bringing our man down we gain a free kick in a dangerous (for the opposition) part of the field. And Giggsy is almost Beckham in these situations. If anyone saw Ronaldo's performance for Portugal Under 18's in their win over Eng-er-land, he was running the show and damm effective in the bargain. I believe once he has gained a bit more confidence by being able to communicate with his chums on the field and once he and his team-mates work out the best way of harnessing his talents for the benefit of the team as a whole we will be able to translate football eye candy into goals. Like Forlan before him, once he gets his first goal the floodgates will open and unlike Forlan (who I love as a player for his attitude but have severe reservations over his class) he will soar. As Carole King once sang, It Might As Well Until September, so being there or there abouts at the moment without firing on all cylinders is better than par for the course for us. It's just that Arsenal were there for the taking but in the end their take-away was a point when we should have had three. Will it be significant come next May? Don't ask me, I'm not a fucking fortune teller. What a stupid question. Oh well. It's off to work we go, hi ho hi ho hi ho hi hoetc. Dave Blatt Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- ReplayTV: CNet Ranked #1 over Tivo! Instant Replay Pause live TV. Special Sale: 50% off! http://us.click.yahoo.com/UUMW7B/.5qGAA/ySSFAA/tsUolB/TM -~- *** Reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe to the list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe from the list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[RedDevils] Fergie telling it like it was
I saw it. Fergie saw it. Everybody saw it except Wenger, of course. Whatever the scenerio, the reaction by Arsenals players at the end was the most dispicable I have ever witnessed in the UK. The FA, including David Dein, should throw the book at all of 'em. But we all know what will happen, don't we? As Edwin Starr once sang, War,absolutely nothing. Say it again y'all. Dave Blatt .Ferguson was even angrier the Arsenal players attacked Van Nistelrooy at the end. Martin Keown jumped on him, landing an arm on his shoulder, and Lauren trod on him and pushed him. Ashley Cole then barged past him and Ray Parlour hit him in the ribs. Ferguson said: ³I think the FA should look at that terrible behaviour out there. You do not want to see that kind of behaviour. It¹s beyond the pale. ³Everyone in the country will be disappointed to see that kind of behaviour.² Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Special Sale: 50% off ReplayTV Easily record your favorite shows! CNet Ranked #1 over Tivo! http://us.click.yahoo.com/WUMW7B/85qGAA/ySSFAA/tsUolB/TM -~- *** Reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe to the list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe from the list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[RedDevils] Arsenal players at the end were NOT in their right mind.
From the soaraway Scum Dave Blatt the events at the end of a match yesterday that saw eights bookings and a red card for Vieira was probably worse than anything we had seen before. What they will make of it all in Istanbul doesn¹t bear thinking about as the countdown starts to England-Turkey on October 11. Before the disgraceful scenes that saw four Arsenal players push, jostle and hit Ruud van Nistelrooy after the final whistle, there might have been sympathy for the Gunners. Never more so than when referee Steve Bennett handed Vieira his first yellow card for a challenge that saw the Arsenal skipper clearly take the ball not the man. And some may make a case that the kick Vieira aimed at Van Nistelrooy two minutes later landed a good foot or two short of its mark. And that the Dutchman was asking for or looking for some sort of reaction with his clumsy initial challenge as he landed on the prone Arsenal man. When Van Nistelrooy, hardly the most popular player in the Premiership, then smacked his added-time penalty against the Arsenal crossbar there may even have been a certain poetic justice. But what followed was a total and utter disgrace. Even for a Sunday morning game on Hackney Marshes if that is not an insult to those who turn out on the East London playing fields. ³Why are we always the devils . . . and play against angels?² enquired Arsene Wenger a bit later. Well, Arsene old chum, if you study the video closely you will find out for yourself. Except your version will probably cut out as Bennett blows his final whistle. After that Van Nistelrooy took a whack round the head from a celebrating Martin Keown the look on the face of the Arsenal centre-half suggesting he was close to losing touch with reality. Then Lauren trod on Van Nistelrooy¹s left ankle as the striker was getting off the turf. And Ashley Cole gave the Dutchman a shove from behind before Ray Parlour provided a slap in the chest for good measure. While all this was going on, Wenger was applauding the travelling Arsenal fans in the corner remembering just how Alex Ferguson went over to salute his own supporters at Highbury on the night last April when United took a giant stride to reclaiming their title. The FA will now have to throw the book at an Arsenal side who clearly lost all control at the end. What a message to send out to kids watching both at Old Trafford and on TV. Yes, Van Nistelrooy may be a total pain in the backside. Yes, many fans up and down the country will applaud the action taken by the Arsenal players in the euphoria of their escape from Old Trafford with the point that kept them on top of the Premiership. And, yes, Van Nistelrooy may be such a provocative customer that even Edgar Davids one of his own Dutch team-mates had to be restrained in training the other day. But the evidence in front of his own eyes clearly spells out to Wenger that his players were demonstrably in the wrong. Unless, of course, he prefers to register as blind. Then there is the small matter of all those other 51 red cards which Arsenal had accumulated before yesterday¹s battle at OId Trafford. Not to mention the disciplinary action currently still hanging over Sol Campbell following the earlier incidents in the Community Shield at the Millennium Stadium last month. The case for the prosecution is damning. And Arsenal should be damned. Afterwards both Vieira and Wenger accused Van Nistelrooy of cheating while Ferguson hit back by condemning the Arsenal manager. Fergie, in fact, went even further insisting the FA launch an immediate investigation. No one in their right mind can argue with that. Except certain Arsenal players at the end were NOT in their right mind. It was a day when England¹s two most famous clubs managed to produce a match that dragged the national game down and through the gutter once again. And to think there were some English journalists in Istanbul yesterday to take in the full horror of the Galatasaray-Fenerbahce local derby . . . Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Remanufactured Ink Cartridges Refill Kits at MyInks.com for: HP $8-20. Epson $3-9, Canon $5-15, Lexmark $4-17. Free s/h over $50 (US Canada). http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=6351 http://us.click.yahoo.com/0zJuRD/6CvGAA/qnsNAA/tsUolB/TM -~- *** Reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe to the list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe from the list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[RedDevils] OUT OF CONTROL
ARSENAL will be charged by the FA today for the disgraceful and violent conduct of their players at the end of yesterday's ill-tempered clash at Old Trafford. Ruud van Nistelrooy was struck by Martin Keown, Ray Parlour and Lauren at the final whistle after the Dutchman's role in the 80th-minute controversy which led to Arsenal skipper Patrick Vieira's dismissal. United boss Sir Alex Ferguson branded Arsenal's behaviour at the end beyond the pale and called for the FA to investigate their bullying conduct which marred the game. And in a further twist, Vieira branded van Nistelrooy a cheat for the over-reaction which led to the eighth red card of his career and sparked the ugly scenes between both sides. Television replays clearly showed Vieira made no contact with van Nistelrooy and the Frenchman said: I am really angry with Ruud, not the referee. Ruud made more of the challenge than he should have done, and in that way he cheated. He tried to stamp on me. Wenger insisted the United striker should also have been dismissed for the alleged stamp. Van Nistelrooy is not the fairest player on the pitch, said Wenger. What he did was a form of cheating. He should have been sent off for the foul which Patrick ended up reacting to. Van Nistelrooy's behaviour on the pitch doesn't help. He is a great player but he is always looking to provoke something by diving. He looks a nice boy on the pitch but his behaviour is not fair. If people are trying to convince me that van Nistelrooy is an angel, they will have a problem. Patrick retaliated, even though he didn't make contact. He had already been booked, so he had go. But van Nistelrooy should have gone as well for the way he behaved. Ferguson reacted angrily to Wenger's claims and launched an impassioned defence of van Nistelrooy who missed an injury-time penalty. I've heard what Arsene Wenger said about Ruud and I'm extremely disappointed, said Fergie. I can defend Ruud completely. He is not a diver. Vieira committed some bad fouls throughout the game and he reacted badly to Ruud's challenge. All Ruud did was look at the referee, as if to say 'what kind of challenge was that?' And Arsenal's behaviour at the end was beyond the pale. You never want to see that kind of conduct, and I think everyone in the country will be disappointed with what they saw. But it's not for me to talk about Arsenal's disciplinary record. That's for them to sort out. I can only talk about my players, who I thought acted properly. Vieira will receive a one-match ban for yesterday's dismissal and will miss Arsenal's Premiership clash with Chelsea on October 18. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Remanufactured Ink Cartridges Refill Kits at MyInks.com for: HP $8-20. Epson $3-9, Canon $5-15, Lexmark $4-17. Free s/h over $50 (US Canada). http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=6351 http://us.click.yahoo.com/0zJuRD/6CvGAA/qnsNAA/tsUolB/TM -~- *** Reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe to the list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe from the list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[RedDevils] KEW MADE A BAD MOVE
You live by the sword, you die by the sword. Smallville Kewell gets what he deserves in limited granny stabbers land Dave Blatt Oct 5 2003 LIVERPOOL..1 ARSENAL.2 Anthony Clavane AFTER 13 minutes of play the PA announcer put us on alert. Standby for Operation Anfield, he declared. Nobody knew what he meant until, a few seconds later, Harry Kewell put Liverpool one up. To those who questioned the Wizard of Oz's mysterious decision over the summer, the announcement suddenly made sense. For Kewell had turned down Arsene Wenger's all-singing, all-dancing all-stars in favour of Gerard Houllier's perennial underachievers. And here, most emphatically it seemed, was the reason why. Operation Anfield was turning out to be an excellent move. Wrong. For a player of Kewell's mercurial talents Operation Highbury would have been a much smarter one. Or indeed Operation Old Trafford. If you are in any way patriotic, of course, the big story to come out of this game was Michael Owen's injury. But while the nation is fretting over the striker's shin, spare a thought for Kewell. OK, he's an Aussie and he ran rings round the England defence at Upton Park last season - but the more players of his calibre who flourish in the Premiership the better. The former Leeds star performed brilliantly yesterday. Once again he showed how, playing at the highest level, he has the potential to be a world great. But that won't happen at Liverpool. He is good for the Reds - but the Reds aren't good for him. Apart from the goal, he was at the centre of a fine first-half display by the home side. Playing through the middle alongside Owen, rather on one of the flanks as in previous games, he helped rip the Gunners' defence to bits. Arsenal should have been dead and buried after half an hour. Kewell himself missed a glorious opportunity and Owen fluffed no less than three. But once the visitors had drawn level, admittedly through a lucky own goal from Sami Hyypia, Liverpool's limitations were cruelly exposed. The intention, in paying Leeds £5m for Kewell, was to provide more width and flair for Houllier's outfit. But as Arsenal began to take a hold of the game, especially in midfield where Brazilian pair Edu and Gilberto were again outstanding, Liverpool resorted to that infamous tactic of pre-Harry days - Operation Hit Owen. And when their goal machine hobbled off with less than 20 minutes remaining they had to switch to Operation Hit And Hope. Kewell's preference for Houllier over Wenger seems somewhat bizarre. As Arsenalshowed in the High Noon clash they have a team capable of winning back the title from Fergie's men. The irony of Robert Pires curling in the winner would not have been lost on the Aussie. Pires has had injury and form problems this season and, if things had gone differently, Kewell might have been lining up on the left for the north Londoners. A potential goal of the season, Wenger described it as pure Pires. But at Anfield now, there's only one Kewell. There's no-one else with his flair and creativity. Perhaps he'd rather be, like at Leeds, a big fish in a small pond. But if he really gives a about fulfilling his awesome potential and shining at the highest level, Harry should have met Arsene - or Fergie - in the summer. Liverpool are no longer the Premiership's most boring club, as the first 45 minutes demonstrated. But his sublime skills are wasted at Anfield. Alongside Henry, Vieira, Bergkamp, Pires they would have undoubtedly blossomed. Houllier said yesterday was make or break for Liverpool's season - the week's best soundbite, after Dirty Den's Ello Princess and Tiger Tony's No reversing. But, for Kewell's own career, make-or-break time came in the summer when he plumped for Anfield over both Highbury and Old Trafford. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/tsUolB/TM -~- *** Reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe to the list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe from the list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[RedDevils] Barthez set for move
Barthez has lost his first-team place Fabien Barthez is on the brink of joining Marseille on loan. The French club say they have reached an agreement for the goalkeeper with Manchester United, who deny that a deal has been done. We are in discussions with Marseille but no final agreement has been reached, said a spokesman for the defending Premiership champions. Marseille president Christophe Bouchet, however, is convinced that the swap will be confirmed by the weekend. He announced the news on the club's website, and is awaiting Fifa ratification because the proposed loan is taking place outside of the allotted transfer window. Barthez, who signed from Monaco for £7.8m in May 2000, has found himself as third-choice at Old Trafford, behind summer signing Tim Howard and Northern Ireland's Roy Carroll. The 32-year-old played for Marseille until 1995, winning the European Cup with them in 1993. He was also an important part of the French squad which won the World Cup in 1998 and the 2000 European Championships. But national coach Jacques Santini has warned Barthez that his number one shirt is under threat if he does not play regular first-team football. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Rent DVDs Online - Over 14,500 titles. No Late Fees Free Shipping. Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/Tq9otC/XP.FAA/3jkFAA/tsUolB/TM -~- *** Reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe to the list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe from the list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[RedDevils] Ferguson faces hearing
Sir Alex Ferguson is set to appear before a Football Association disciplinary hearing on Monday to answer misconduct charges. The Manchester United boss was charged after his verbal outburst against match officials at Newcastle in August. He is facing a touchline ban or a heavy fine after being sent to the stand by referee Uriah Rennie following heated words with fourth official Jeff Winter. Ferguson elected to have a personal hearing to answer the charges. The incident happened during United's 3-0 win at St Jame's Park on 23 August. Ferguson reacted angrily to Rennie's decision not to punish Andy O'Brien for bringing down Ryan Giggs on the edge of the Newcastle area. The manager kicked a ball away in disgust and remonstrated with fourth official Winter on the sidelines before being dismissed by Rennie. Winter was then subjected to a sustained four-letter tirade from the Scot. Ferguson faces two separate counts, one relating generally to alleged improper conduct and the other specifically to claims that he used abusive language to the match officials. The weight of television evidence suggests Ferguson will be hard pressed to plead his innocence, and an FA commission would take a dim view if it is proved Ferguson labelled any of the officials as cheats. But he can point to a previously unblemished record during his 17-year reign as United boss, which is expected to count in his favour. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Rent DVDs Online - Over 14,500 titles. No Late Fees Free Shipping. Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/Tq9otC/XP.FAA/3jkFAA/tsUolB/TM -~- *** Reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe to the list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe from the list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[RedDevils] Man Utd agree Bellion fee
Sunderland have accepted a compensation package from Manchester United for French striker David Bellion. The deal includes an initial £2m fee payable immediately and could rise to £3m depending on appearances and international call-ups. The Black Cats will also benefit from any future transfer of Bellion due to a sell-on clause in the deal. We're happy with the package and feel that it is entirely deserved as we lost an exciting and talented young player, said Sunderland chairman Bob Murray. It is to the benefit of both clubs that we have been able to reach an agreement without the need for a tribunal. We were very disappointed to lose David as he is a player who should make a good name for himself in the future, but wish him every success. Bellion, who moved to the Stadium of Light from Cannes in 2001, rejected an improved Sunderland contract when his deal ran out in the summer and moved to Old Trafford in July. Ferguson faces hearing Under Premier League and Nationwide League rules a club is entitled to compensation if the out-of-contract player is under 24 and moves to another club. Bellion made just three starts for the Wearsiders, but was used as a substitute 15 times and netted the winner in the home game against Aston Villa last season - his only goal for the club. He has only played a peripheral role for United so far this season, although he made a goalscoring debut in the pre-season defeat of Celtic in Seattle. Sunderland turned down bids from United and Liverpool for the highly-rated forward last season. Murray accused the Old Trafford club of unsettling the youngster and trying to get him on the cheap during the January transfer window. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/tsUolB/TM -~- *** Reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe to the list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe from the list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[RedDevils] US tycoon ups Man Utd stake
Man Utd made full year profits of £39m American sports entrepreneur Malcolm Glazer has increased his shareholding in Manchester United to nearly 10%, the UK Premier League club said. Mr Glazer owns the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, the Florida-based winners of the Super Bowl American football championship. Man Utd said Mr Glazer has raised his shareholding to 9.66%. It is the second time in a fortnight Mr Glazer has bought more Man Utd shares - earlier this month he raised his stake from 5.9% to 8.94%. Takeover talk Rumours of a takeover have swirled round Man Utd in recent weeks, as several sporting entrepreneurs have increased their shareholdings. Takeover speculation was sparked by satellite broadcaster BSkyB's decision to offload its 10% stake in the football club. Irish horse racing tycoons J.P. McManus and John Magnier snapped up BSkyB's stake in early October, taking their joint holding to 23.15%. That triggered a flurry of speculation that the Irish duo might be preparing a full-blown takeover attempt Mr Glazer has been named as a possible bidder for Man Utd, as has Dutch TV entrepreneur John de Mol, who took his stake from 3.5% to 4.1% in early October. Scottish mining entrepreneur Harry Dobson, and Dermot Desmond, the Irish millionaire who owns 21% of Celtic football club, have also been named as possible bidders. Institutional investors tend to steer clear of football clubs because their financial performance is unpredictable, and most do not make enough money. But analysts say Man Utd would make an attractive takeover target because, unlike many of its Premiership rivals, the club is free of debt and makes healthy annual profits. Man Utd's has turned its success on the pitch into a worldwide merchandising operation which generates hefty earnings. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/tsUolB/TM -~- *** Reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe to the list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe from the list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[RedDevils] Re: If Premiership teams were ladies...
If Premiership teams were ladies... Arsenal - Angelina Jolie - Look good, a bit maverick at times and you know they have the potential to really f**k you over. Aston Villa - Dido - One big hit. Fairly inoffensive really. Birmingham City - Maria Carey - Occasionally interesting, frequently annoying. Supporters are thick. Blackburn Rovers - Melanie Sykes - Common as muck Lancy, constantly worrying. Bolton Wanderers - Natalie Imbruglia - Always looks like she might go down but never does! Charlton Athletic - Martine McCutcheon - Chirpy Cockney with the ability to spring a few surprises! Chelsea - Maggie Thatcher - Hated by millions,supported by idiots! Everton - Barbara Windsor - Been laughing at those tits so long we forget that once upon a time they actually looked quite good! Fulham - Andrea Corr - Not bad to look at but not much of her. Seems a bit awestruck with fame. Leicester City - Patsy Palmer - Generally a bit crap and second rate really, but some people like her. Leeds United - Christina Aguilera - Dirrrty. Liverpool - Sophie Ellis Bextor - Individually all the components look fantastic - just doesn't work when put together. Man City - Madonna - Have been big at times - now lost the plot a bit Man United - Jordan - Dominated by tits. Quite repulsive really. Middlesborough - Tara Palmer Tompkinson - Can look quite good at the back but nothing at all up front to speak of. Newcastle United - Pamela Anderson - Can look good. Various unsavoury elements though. Portsmouth - Chrissie Hynde - On the face of it a has-been but you're quite interested in what she's going to do next. Southampton - Kylie Minogue - Sometimes you feel sorry for them, They're not huge and you've got a bit of a soft spot. Tottenham Hotspur - Kim Wilde - Glamorous in the 80's not so nice to watch now. Wolverhampton Wanderers - Lynda Lovelace - Big in the 70's guaranteed to go down. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Rent DVDs from home. Over 14,500 titles. Free Shipping No Late Fees. Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/mk9osC/hP.FAA/3jkFAA/tsUolB/TM -~- *** Reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe to the list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe from the list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[RedDevils] Eric bedded girl in front of clubbers
BOOK THEY TRIED TO BAN: Man Utd laid bare By Jules Stenson, Chief Feature Writer, News of the World MARRIED Man Utd legend Eric Cantona had a threesome with a porn club beauty and another man on a giant circular bed as a gang of revellers looked on. The lovecheat Frenchman cast his vows to the wind when he visited the wild Paris venue with his ex-SAS minder Michael Ned Kelly. Kelly was appointed to look after the soccer starrecently voted the club's greatest ever playerfollowing his infamous kung-fu kick on a fan in 1995. In his bombshell new book, Manchester United: The Untold Story, which the club tried to ban, the author also tells how Cantona: VISITED a brothel where all the prostitutes wore numbers for a kinky pick and mix game. BEDDED the beautiful and willing wife of a household-name United star. SEDUCED a sex-mad woman employee at a Manchester club. Kelly had little idea what was in store when he was appointed personal bodyguard to 37-year-old Cantona. But he soon discovered the truth about the love-rat star's repeated betrayals of wife Isabelle in a string of debauched encounters. Kelly recalled: I was out on the town in Paris with Eric when he insisted we end the night at his favourite watering-hole. We met up with a couple of Eric's friends, who I'll call Pierre and Luc. The club had wall-to-wall porn beaming down from angled TV screens but, in the basement bar, the action was strictly live. In the centre of the floor was a huge circular bed, so none of the onlookers would miss an inch of the action. Tongue All one had to do was climb on the bed and wait to be joined by another enthusiastic participant, to have sex while everyone else looked on. After a few bottles of champagne, one of the club bossesa friend of Eric's joined us at the bar. The man called over a stunning woman he introduced as his wife. The chemistry between her and Eric was electricbut I thought I was seeing things as I watched her lead Eric and Luc toward the bed. Eric flashed me a wink and stuck his tongue out like a schoolboy heading for the cream bun counter in a baker's. What the ?' I asked Pierre. But I was speaking to the back of his head as he was also on his way to the bed wrapped around a tall blonde. Eric tried to call me over to join in with Luc and his romp. I later discovered the wife was an ex-porn star. Kelly describes the 1997 night out as the most surreal experience of my life. Cantonawho has a son Raphael, 13, and daughter Josephine, six, with 38-year-old Isabellemoved them to Bar-celona, Spain, after quitting soccer and turning to acting. In the spring of 1999, he invited Kelly for the weekend. Eric declared we must go out on the town, he said. As usual, after a few drinks, the conversation turned to women and, after a few reminiscences, I stopped Eric in his tracks. I told him, I know who you were sing in my flat when you borrowed it for your secret liaisons'. Eric was dumbstruck. Who then?' he asked. I named the wife of a former top United star whose car I often used to see parked outside my flat whenever she and Eric met. He exclaimed, How did you find out?' It's my business to know everything, Eric', I told him. Kelly adds: Eric then drove us to a less salubrious side of town. We went to an underground car park, then up by lift. Three floors later, Eric was knocking at a flat door which opened to reveal wall-to-wall hookers. The girls were stunning and all had numbered badges. It was like a kinky pick and mix. Cantona selected a girl and led her to a private room. Kelly recalls: From discussions I'd had over the years with Eric, I knew he had a penchant for slapping women's backsides. Flirting And from the noises coming from next door, this lady had apparently been very naughty. After that we headed for his favourite karaoke bar and the reception he got from punters and staff told me he was as popular here as at Old Trafford. But not as popular as he'd been in one Manchester sports club. Kelly writes: One woman there was very attractive and was extremely hospitable to both of usespecially Eric. She was always ushering him into an office and, while I socialised with club members, he'd be taking advantage of the more exclusive services on offer to him behind closed doors. Kelly tells of another night in a Manchester bar where Cantona and a French friend, Pascal, were flirting shamelessly with two pretty women watched by their irate husbands. In no time at all they were squaring up to Eric and Pascal, says the author. I offered sincere apologies to the well-built husbands. Eric bought the two couples champagne and calm was eventually restored. To be fair, Eric rarely played away during his time in the UK. While at Manchester, I don't think it would be unkind to suggest that he lived a pretty basic lifestyle and it was only on my own recommendation that he and his family moved from the ex-council house they were given by United to the more
[RedDevils] Fergie raged over sick chairman
SIR Alex Ferguson knew of disgraced Martin Edwards' perversions long before the former chairman's sordid habits were exposed, Kelly reveals. As long ago as 1998, Fergie and the SAS man discussed an incident where Edwardswho quit last yearwas caught following a woman into a toilet. Ferguson raged: It's unbelievable. The Press would have a field day. Kelly replied: I know, boss. I must be the only security chief in football who has to try and stop the chairman going into the ladies' toilets. Kelly first became aware of the problem in the Eighties when Edwards visited an SAS barracks to award soccer prizes to soldiers. Edwards was seen following a soldier's wife into the ladies', he writes. The lad concerned was all for tearing Edwards' head off, but I quietened him down. In 1996 United press secretary Ken Ramsden warned him Edwards' visits to the ladies' were becoming more frequent. Kelly replied: No problem, I'll keep steering him towards the gents'. He writes: The chairman's fetish was a source of amusement to the players, but undeniably embarrassing. He seemed to have a compulsion to invade women's space in their most private moments. Eventually his deviations would destroy him. Edwards, 57, was caught with a prostitute in Rio at the FIFA World Club Championships in 2000. Another complaint of a ladies' toilet misdemeanour brought him a police caution. Kelly said: It seemed sad that a potentially great man will now only be remembered as little more than a pervert. BOOK THEY TRIED TO BAN: Man Utd laid bare Married soccer legend bedded girl in front of clubbers By Jules Stenson, Chief Feature Writer MARRIED Man Utd legend Eric Cantona had a threesome with a porn club beauty and another man on a giant circular bed as a gang of revellers looked on. The lovecheat Frenchman cast his vows to the wind when he visited the wild Paris venue with his ex-SAS minder Michael Ned Kelly. Kelly was appointed to look after the soccer starrecently voted the club's greatest ever playerfollowing his infamous kung-fu kick on a fan in 1995. In his bombshell new book, Manchester United: The Untold Story, which the club tried to ban, the author also tells how Cantona: VISITED a brothel where all the prostitutes wore numbers for a kinky pick and mix game. BEDDED the beautiful and willing wife of a household-name United star. SEDUCED a sex-mad woman employee at a Manchester club. Kelly had little idea what was in store when he was appointed personal bodyguard to 37-year-old Cantona. But he soon discovered the truth about the love-rat star's repeated betrayals of wife Isabelle in a string of debauched encounters. Kelly recalled: I was out on the town in Paris with Eric when he insisted we end the night at his favourite watering-hole. We met up with a couple of Eric's friends, who I'll call Pierre and Luc. The club had wall-to-wall porn beaming down from angled TV screens but, in the basement bar, the action was strictly live. In the centre of the floor was a huge circular bed, so none of the onlookers would miss an inch of the action. Tongue All one had to do was climb on the bed and wait to be joined by another enthusiastic participant, to have sex while everyone else looked on. After a few bottles of champagne, one of the club bossesa friend of Eric's joined us at the bar. The man called over a stunning woman he introduced as his wife. The chemistry between her and Eric was electricbut I thought I was seeing things as I watched her lead Eric and Luc toward the bed. Eric flashed me a wink and stuck his tongue out like a schoolboy heading for the cream bun counter in a baker's. What the ?' I asked Pierre. But I was speaking to the back of his head as he was also on his way to the bed wrapped around a tall blonde. Eric tried to call me over to join in with Luc and his romp. I later discovered the wife was an ex-porn star. Kelly describes the 1997 night out as the most surreal experience of my life. Cantonawho has a son Raphael, 13, and daughter Josephine, six, with 38-year-old Isabellemoved them to Bar-celona, Spain, after quitting soccer and turning to acting. In the spring of 1999, he invited Kelly for the weekend. Eric declared we must go out on the town, he said. As usual, after a few drinks, the conversation turned to women and, after a few reminiscences, I stopped Eric in his tracks. I told him, I know who you were sing in my flat when you borrowed it for your secret liaisons'. Eric was dumbstruck. Who then?' he asked. I named the wife of a former top United star whose car I often used to see parked outside my flat whenever she and Eric met. He exclaimed, How did you find out?' It's my business to know everything, Eric', I told him. Kelly adds: Eric then drove us to a less salubrious side of town. We went to an underground car park, then up by lift. Three floors later, Eric was knocking at a flat door which opened to reveal wall-to-wall hookers. The girls were
[RedDevils] Fergie hired SAS to spy on players
Here we go, here we go, here we go. Kelly's Heroes get knifed. What a nice man he must be; ` Dave Blatt BOOK THEY TRIED TO BAN: Man Utd laid bare By Jules Stenson, Chief Feature Writer MANCHESTER United boss Sir Alex Ferguson used a task force of SAS soldiers to spy on star players' private lives, the club's ex-head of security has sensationally revealed. In a shattering book United tried to ban, Michael Ned Kellywho spent 11 years in the elite Who Dares Wins regiment before moving to Old Trafforddetails every covert operation he carried out. His meticulously-planned missions, many involving former and even active SAS chums, included: TAILING an England international transfer target to see if he was a drug user. REPORTING on the movements of David Beckham so United could keep tabs on his home life. PROBING the lifestyle of a young Red Devils defender to see if he was keeping bad company. SWEEPING the paranoid manager's own family home for phone bugs and hidden microphones. Being ORDERED to sweep the home of one of Fergie's close associates. INVESTIGATING the notorious drug habits of a top goalkeeper. Says Kelly, 55: There's little doubt in my mind that certain elements within the United hierarchy let the sheer size of this club overtake their sense of fair and proper behaviour. They were playing God. United threatened an injunction to stop Kelly's shock manuscript being revealed in the News of the World. But we successfully fought their legal action and the club caved in. Kelly told how Chris Sutton, a current Celtic star and former goal ace for both Chelsea and Blackburn, was targeted by Fergie's spy network. He says: He'd never have been aware that, for two weeks of his life, he was watched 24 hours a day. The then-head scout at United, Les Kershaw, wanted a report. Rumours Chris played for Norwich at the time and the surveillance team went over there, picked him up' after a City home game, then followed and photographed his every move and checked out his associates. There were four people tailing him including one woman. The team was led by two SAS guys who'd previously been with the Army's 14th Intelligence Company in Northern Irelandan elite unit that specialised in undercover surveillance. After that Norwich game they followed him in three cars, swapping places regularly. The woman came in handy when Sutton went into a bar. Then she could join one of the male watchers to look like a couple. The team would watch until he went to bed, then one of the boys would keep his vehicle under surveillance by sleeping in the car park. They even followed Sutton when he visited his son. After two weeks, I submitted the report to Les Kershaw and told him we'd found absolutely nothing to substantiate rumours of illegal substance abuse. Despite the all-clear, manager Ferguson did not sign Sutton. Kelly says Sir Alex, 61, was meticulous about gathering informationand even used his services to probe England skipper David Beckham, now with Real Madrid. He writes: Fergie was adamant David should live within reasonable distance of the stadium and training ground. Tales of him commuting from London after he met Victoria would send Fergie into blind rages. The situation came to a head on a trip abroad. Fergie pulled me to one side in the airport VIP lounge and barked, Right, Ned. Don't lie to me. Where's Beckham living?' London, boss, and travelling up and down to Old Trafford', I repliedinwardly cringing at having to tell tales on David. Stare Fergie's face was a study in controlled anger. That Beckham is taking the p**s,' he growled. Yeah, boss,' I volunteered. Maybe you should sell him'. Fergie's blank stare told me he was thinking the same thing. But hearing it from a third party must have brought home to him the enormity of losing Beckham and he smiled, Nah, I'll sort him'. Fergie knew the toll it would take on Beckham's fitness if he had to face motorways or airports before training. He did, indeed, clip Beckham's wings and it was agreed he would live near his workplace. Kelly, who ran security at United for 12 years before leaving last year, was also told by Sir Alex to keep a watch on his England stopper Wes Brown. He says: Once Wes began earning big money at United, Fergie insisted he move out of the family environment and get his own house. My contacts would tell me he was sometimes out in Manchester, at one of the players' favourite haunts. There are five big crime families in the city who control thingsall very well-known to the police. The worry was they'd befriend Wes then get into United, so you'd see them in the players' lounge. I was told to make sure this didn't happen. The idea was to put a little ring of steel around Wes. That didn't mean my boys would accompany him when he went out on the townjust that he was watched so we'd know if anything untoward happened. Thankfully, it never did while I was at United. Sir Alex also grew hugely
[RedDevils] Betrayal of trust
As odious as Ned Kelly is as a man, I just want to raise the subject of betrayal of trust. It doesn't matter to me if you are a butler, head of security or a lover, unless the person(s) who employed you committed murder, plotted to blow up the Twin Towers or supported City, your employment and your salary bought your silence/trust. That's one of the reasons they employed you. In business there are confidentiality clauses (Hello Peter). In affairs such intimacy should bring its own rewards. I get sick and tired of reading in the Sunday Papers all these revealing stories. OK, you could say don't read the Sunday papers if it makes you so mad, but hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil is not the solution. We all have our own morality. I've been faithful to Manchester United since before I was born but even I have seen Leyton Orient and Ilford (when they were alive) play at home. Ned Kelly was handsomely paid, even if he himself is ugly. As a former SAS man surely he more than anyone should abide by the rule of silence. For me this makes his revelations, whether true or exaggerated, even more appalling. As for the revelations themselves. Well, that's a debate in itself. Dave Blatt Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/tsUolB/TM -~- *** Reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe to the list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe from the list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [RedDevils] Fergie would sack drug takers
Ferguson told the News of the World: I would like our supporters to be sure of one thing: if there were any danger of one of our players dabbling in any kind of drug, be it to enhance his performance or for his social life, he would be quickly gone from Manchester United. I feel Fergie, The FA, The Olympic Committee and my parents should make the distinction between performance enhancing drugs and social drugs. To lump them all together is lazy, predictable and does not address the problem. Social drugs include tobacco and alcohol, which although legal, are far more damaging than marajana (in my opinion). Does Fergie's blanket ban apply to his beloved claret? Social drugs, by their very nature, reduce not enhance sporting performance. Any professional sportsperson should be big enough, old enough and ugly enough to make their own choices between attempting to reach the summit in their chosen sport, or have a good time. They shouldn't be punished by outside agencies which have a political agenda and not the welfare of the athelete at heart. Dave Blatt Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/tsUolB/TM -~- *** Reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe to the list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe from the list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[RedDevils] Re: I know most of us don't like him
on 12/11/03 1:50 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and some of you will know I've had my own run in with him, but we have a chance to ask Ned Kelly some questions. If anyone has any (sadly why are you a twat is not one we can ask), can they let me know asap, Barney Disregarding the contents of the book for one moment, one of the aspects I find most distasteful is that your previous career was in the SAS. Surely one of the fundermental things you are taught is not to break the code of silence. Therefore how could you of all people produce such 'National Enquirer' type revelations. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/tsUolB/TM -~- *** Reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe to the list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe from the list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [RedDevils] Fergie hit by dosh bosh
ALEX FERGUSON has been told there will be no cash for him to splash when the transfer window opens in January. Chief executive David Gill, speaking ahead of today¹s United AGM, insisted: ³If it ain¹t broke, don¹t fix it. We developed the squad in the summer so we¹d be challenging for all the honours and we are challenging, so why would we want to make big changes in January?² Is a glass half full or half empty? Do we just want to be challanging or do we want to be winning? I'm not saying spend for spending sake, but if an opportunity came along to buy a world class player we should go for it and not let out competitors get their debt ridden hands on him. Gill the Accountant is continuing the small town mentality that has blighted our club for over thirty years. Much of our success has been IN SPITE OF and not due to the Board. ³The manager doesn¹t normally do major transfer work in mid-season even before we had the window.² Of course the manager doesn't NORMALLY do major transfer work in mid-season. It's only in the last couple of years that the January shop window has actually existed. Dave Blatt Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/tsUolB/TM -~- *** Reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe to the list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe from the list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
