Re: [PATCH] metas in reiserfs v4 snapshot 2004.03.26

2004-04-04 Thread Hubert Chan
 Grant == Grant Miner [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Grant You mean /sys/fs/reiser4/metas?  :P

My /sys doesn't even have a fs subdirectory.  So I'm pretty sure I mean
/proc (unless you can tell me why it should be in /sys.  But AFAICT /sys
deals more with accessing hardware properties.).

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snapshot 2004.03.26 + linux 2.6.5 = build error

2004-04-04 Thread Domenico Andreoli
hi there,

today i applied latest snapshot to linux kernel 2.6.5 and tried to
build it.

patch didn't apply cleanly, there were some hunks and a reject on
arch/sparc/kernel/init_task.c which looked trivial to fix.

problem arrived on reiser4 kernel module (i'm using as module with no
problems), build error follows:


  CC [M]  fs/reiser4/as_ops.o
fs/reiser4/as_ops.c: In function `move_inode_out_from_sync_inodes_loop':
fs/reiser4/as_ops.c:570: error: structure has no member named `dirtied_when'
make[4]: *** [fs/reiser4/as_ops.o] Error 1


any hotfix for this?

cheers
domenico

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data=ordered patch for 2.6.5?

2004-04-04 Thread Tom Vier
i looked through all linus's changelogs for .4-.5. i see a few fixes, but
nothing about ordering. i thought it was going in soon. will it be in .6? i
guess for .5 i'll have to wait for chris mason to make a patch set.

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Re: filenames that can be safely stolen (was Re: starting with .. could break stuff)

2004-04-04 Thread Tom Vier
On Sat, Apr 03, 2004 at 10:05:22AM -0800, Hans Reiser wrote:
 i care more about people 20 years from now complaining that reiserfs is 
 ugly in its aesthetics than about unreal problems.
 
 punctuation in method names is uglier than metas

maybe if you try to pronounce it, but imho, making metas a reserved name
is not a good idea and is very ugly. taking a somewhat common word (though
meta is probably more common than metas) and reserving seems like a huge
wart to me. if you have to reserve an inband name, it should be one that,
while containing mostly a descriptive english word, doesn't trample regular
filenames (eg, more than one dot).

and finally, i hate the 's'. 8) for one thing, it might only contain only
one file.

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Metas

2004-04-04 Thread Christian Iversen

Just a thought. Who on this list does NOT support ... instead of metas?

...except from Hans ;-)

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Re: data=ordered patch for 2.6.5?

2004-04-04 Thread Tom Vier
is it ok to use the 2.6.5-rc2-mm2 patch on 2.6.5?

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Re: Metas

2004-04-04 Thread Alexander G. M. Smith
Christian Iversen wrote on Mon, 5 Apr 2004 02:12:05 +0200:
 Just a thought. Who on this list does NOT support ... instead of metas?

Windows has that as the parent of the parent directory.

I also use it as the second parent directory in a file system that allows multiple 
parents,  is the third parent directory, and so on.  But that doesn't really 
matter since nobody's making much use of multiple parents yet.

- Alex


Re: filenames that can be safely stolen

2004-04-04 Thread Hubert Chan
 Tom == Tom Vier [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

[...]

Tom and finally, i hate the 's'. 8) for one thing, it might only
Tom contain only one file.

It will always contain multiple files.  See
http://namesys.com/v4/pseudo.html for the files that it contains by
default.

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Re: Metas

2004-04-04 Thread Hubert Chan
 Christian == Christian Iversen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Christian Just a thought. Who on this list does NOT support ...
Christian instead of metas?

I personally don't like the way that ... looks.  IMHO, it's just ugly.
But that's my main complaint with it, and it's just an opinion.

Hmm.  Looking at http://namesys.com/v4/pseudo.html just reminded me that
the string ... is also used as a placeholder for multiple unspecified
items (name1/name2/name3/ ... /nameN/name), and so writing ... in a
manual/instructions could be confusing.

While I would much prefer ..metas or even .metas over plain metas, I
would have to agree with Hans that it is extremely unlikely that anyone
would actually use such a name.  I don't think it's a showstopper.

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Re: [PATCH] metas in reiserfs v4 snapshot 2004.03.26

2004-04-04 Thread Elliott Mitchell
 From: Hans Reiser [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 these problems will not exist significantly in reality.  Look at netapps 
 and snapshots and clearcase and other filesystems, I remember wondering 
 if .snapshot could be a problem when netapps were new and it was never a 
 problem.

Notice though that that filename begins with ., not a letter. This
causes all programs to treat it specially. Also note that that filename
is nine characters long, and therefore making a purely random collision
less likely by more than four orders of magnitude.

 People who find it is a problem can #define it to something else.  If 5 
 people bother to do so, I will be surprised.
 
 Many languages have reserved keywords.

I REJECT THIS!

I believe Ada is almost the only programming language without reserved
words. The thing is a filesystem is NOT a programming language! It is
designed to handle files with arbitrary names, no matter how odd. Only
programmers deal with C, end users must deal with filesystem limitations.

 From: cami [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Not sure if anyone  has bothered to check if this would
 impose the  limitation  that  people are worried about.
 
  From a  quick glance,  none  of  the linux distro's have
 ever  had  a  file / directory  called  metas  before.
 `metas`  isn't even a real a word anyway  (at  least not
 an english word) so the chances of  it being a big issue
 are very very  small..  freshmeat.net's search shows not
 even one hit  for  the word  metas and  that pretty much
 the majority of linux/coding related projects..

Good point, search engines as evidence. The problem is you're only
looking at distributions, which are going to be highly similar and you're
completely missing end users. So let us take this to a full search engine
and see what turns up...  Hmm, roughly a million hits, let us look at a
few samples:

http://www.metas.ch/
http://vancouver-webpages.com/META/mk-metas.html
http://www.metas.com.br/
http://metas.enfermeria21.com/
http://www.metas.com.mx/

Okay, out of one million hits, we randomly look at ten, and half feature
metas in the URL somewhere. Going the other direction, Google indexes
roughly 4 billion pages. If we guess the above search was representative,
roughly 500,000 pages will include metas somewhere in the URL, possibly
only as a hostname, but somewhere. So we've managed to collect 1 out of
every 10,000 pages that Google indexes. Though we don't have a direct
proof, I hope I've come close enough to scare you.

Hans, what will it take for you to change your mind?


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testing/questions about latest Reiser4

2004-04-04 Thread Grant Miner
Does Reiser4 store stat data in real files, or some special way?  Are 
pseudo files just representation of stat data stored a special way?  Is 
it possible to do streams/forks with a plugin easily?

I mounted latest Reiser4 snapshot + linux 2.6.4 with acl and xattr 
options but when I tried getfattr I received operation not supported?

I'm using Reiser4 as root fs for some days now, and it is great!  Only 
problem is whenever I run 'make' it always recompiles everything; 
perhaps this has to do with time stamps?  Oh and fibration is cool :) 
How do I switch to the other fibration plugins for a directory?


Re: [PATCH] metas in reiserfs v4 snapshot 2004.03.26

2004-04-04 Thread Hubert Chan
 The == The Amazing Dragon (Elliott Mitchell) [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

[...]

The Good point, search engines as evidence. The problem is you're only
The looking at distributions, which are going to be highly similar and
The you're completely missing end users. So let us take this to a full
The search engine and see what turns up...  Hmm, roughly a million
The hits, let us look at a few samples:

I'm only getting a bit less than 600,000.  Maybe we caught Google in the
middle of some reindexing.  But anyways...

Most of the pages seem to be Spanish and Portuguese.  Google translation
translates metas as goals.  Are there any Spanish or Portuguese
speakers on this list to confirm that?

Since goals is a fairly common word, it probably is a bad idea to use
metas without at least some sort of prefix.

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