Re: msnbc.com: Case of fully veiled woman roils France
What interests me in the story is the statement--about which nobody seems to have commented--that the woman professed no knowledge of the personal freedoms French law grants to women and all individuals. Having no knowledge of French immigration law, and precious little of US immigration law, I would have expected this to be the handle for denying citizenship, namely that she had not sufficiently familiarized herself with the fundamental laws of the country. Whether or not she chooses to avail herself of these liberties is a different matter; but one should know what the options are. Vance On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 5:20 AM, Joel Sogol [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Case of fully veiled woman roils France Dissenting voices are wondering whether France went too far in denying citizenship to a Muslim woman who sheaths herself in a head-to-toe veil, saying she had not assimilated into society. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25707374/from/ET/ Joel L. Sogol Attorney at Law 811 21st Avenue Tuscaloosa, Alabama 35401 ph (205) 345-0966 fx (205) 345-0967 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ben Franklin observed that truth wins a fair fight -- which is why we have evidence rules in U.S. courts. ___ To post, send message to Religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu To subscribe, unsubscribe, change options, or get password, see http://lists.ucla.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/religionlaw Please note that messages sent to this large list cannot be viewed as private. Anyone can subscribe to the list and read messages that are posted; people can read the Web archives; and list members can (rightly or wrongly) forward the messages to others. -- Vance R. Koven Boston, MA USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To post, send message to Religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu To subscribe, unsubscribe, change options, or get password, see http://lists.ucla.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/religionlaw Please note that messages sent to this large list cannot be viewed as private. Anyone can subscribe to the list and read messages that are posted; people can read the Web archives; and list members can (rightly or wrongly) forward the messages to others.
RE: msnbc.com: Case of fully veiled woman roils France
The case started quietly, when a Muslim woman who sheaths herself in a head-to-toe veil was denied French citizenship because she had not assimilated enough into this society. You know what this reminds me of? Frankfurter's explanation to FDR ER of his vote in GOBITIS--in a melting pot, people should give up their quaint idiosyncratic customs (like not saluting the flag) and blend in. See Max Freedmen, ed. ROOSEVELT-FRANKFURTER LETTERS. Judy Baer ___ To post, send message to Religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu To subscribe, unsubscribe, change options, or get password, see http://lists.ucla.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/religionlaw Please note that messages sent to this large list cannot be viewed as private. Anyone can subscribe to the list and read messages that are posted; people can read the Web archives; and list members can (rightly or wrongly) forward the messages to others.
RE: msnbc.com: Case of fully veiled woman roils France
True enough, but France is not the US. Their traditions and culture are really quite different. Naturalization in France has always required that one becomes French whereas in the US we have only required knowledge (a test) and an oath. You can still be something else. That is why Frankfurter's opinions in Gobitis and Barnette are so awful. Paul Finkelman President William McKinley Distinguished Professor of Law and Public Policy Albany Law School 80 New Scotland Avenue Albany, New York 12208-3494 518-445-3386 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Judith Baer [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7/17/2008 11:29 AM The case started quietly, when a Muslim woman who sheaths herself in a head-to-toe veil was denied French citizenship because she had not assimilated enough into this society. You know what this reminds me of? Frankfurter's explanation to FDR ER of his vote in GOBITIS--in a melting pot, people should give up their quaint idiosyncratic customs (like not saluting the flag) and blend in. See Max Freedmen, ed. ROOSEVELT-FRANKFURTER LETTERS. Judy Baer ___ To post, send message to Religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu To subscribe, unsubscribe, change options, or get password, see http://lists.ucla.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/religionlaw Please note that messages sent to this large list cannot be viewed as private. Anyone can subscribe to the list and read messages that are posted; people can read the Web archives; and list members can (rightly or wrongly) forward the messages to others.
RE: msnbc.com: Case of fully veiled woman roils France
True enough, but France is not the US. Their traditions and culture are really quite different. Naturalization in France has always required that one becomes French whereas in the US we have only required knowledge (a test) and an oath. You can still be something else. That is why Frankfurter's opinions in Gobitis and Barnette are so awful. Paul Finkelman Not the only reason, Paul. What I object to is his hypocrisy (and his sanctimonious tone in Barnette.) FF was trying to have it both ways, hinting that his heart was with the liberals and appeasing advocates of judicial restraint. And all along he thought that what the school boards did was not only constitutional; it was right. Judy ___ To post, send message to Religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu To subscribe, unsubscribe, change options, or get password, see http://lists.ucla.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/religionlaw Please note that messages sent to this large list cannot be viewed as private. Anyone can subscribe to the list and read messages that are posted; people can read the Web archives; and list members can (rightly or wrongly) forward the messages to others.
