Re: Locke v. Davey -- Blaine Amendments

2004-02-26 Thread Rick Garnett

Dear all,
I appreciate Marty's kind words, and accept his entirely appropriate
critique of my post yesterday regarding Davey.  Marty is right to
remind us -- that is, to remind me -- that "there are
two pertinent Washington Constitutional
provisions, both of which were included in the original Washington
Constitution."   
I'm "on the road" today, so I apologize for my inability
to clarify my earlier remarks, or document my earlier claims, to the
extent I would like.
I do want to emphasize again, though, that (like Marty) I did not expect
that the connections between 19th Century anti-Catholicism and provisions
like those at issue in Davey would be outcome-determinative.  As
many on this list have shown (I'm thinking, in particular, of Chip Lupu,
Steve Smith, and Bob Tuttle), no-aid separationism can be respectably and
powerfully defended today without relying on anti-Catholicism.
I should also say -- and I regret that I have not always been clear on
this point in my own work -- that I regard "anti-Catholicism"
as something distinguishable from "bigotry."  (I try to
flesh out this argument in a short essay, "The Theology of the
Blaine Amendments,
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=455220)  There is
and has long been such a thing as "anti-Catholic bigotry", but
I (now) believe it is more important to think about the arguments of
those who feared and disagreed with, and not simply disliked, Roman
Catholicism.
As Marty points out, in the Becket Fund brief -- to which I contributed,
and which was endorsed by a number of distinguished historians, including
John Witte, Charles Glenn, George Marsden, etc. -- discussed the Blaine
Amendments, their progeny, and their origins in a general way.  The
brief also addressed the Washington Constitution, and Article IX, Sec. 4
specifically.  It did not speak directly to Section 11, though it
did respond at some length to the suggestion that motives other than
anti-Catholicism (again, I would not want to say that anti-Catholicism
was always mere "animus") animated Washington's anti-aid
provisions.
In my view -- and I realize that, for now, this is an assertion, not a
demonstration -- the "original" meaning and purpose of Sec. 11,
unlike, perhaps, its "social meaning" today, cannot be divorced
from the thoroughgoing anti-Catholicism that shaped and permeated 19th
Century American thinking about religious liberty, citizenship, and
education.  In my judgment, the evidence establishes the fact that
legislative provisions and public arguments speaking to the funding of
religious (or "sectarian") schools and education are in large
measure the result of concerns about the loyalty of Catholics and the
compatibility of Catholicism with American nationalism and liberal --
and, at the time, Protestant -- citizenship.  
To be sure, the text from Section 11, cited by Marty --
"No public money or property shall be
appropriated for or applied to any religious worship, exercise or
instruction, or the support of any religious establishment" --
certainly does not sound "anti-Catholic," and it probably does
not today have an "anti-Catholic" social meaning.  Still,
the provision would not exist, in my judgment,
but for the threats to American values that -- many believed -- were
posed by Catholicism.  This connection is established in the
recent work of Hamburger, McGreevy, and many others.  And, I believe
that the Court was too quick to dismiss it.   
All that said, thanks to Marty for "calling" me on this
point.
best,
Rick Garnett
  
At 01:06 AM 2/26/2004 -0500, you wrote:
It's
great to see Professor Garnett contributing to the list on Davey;
he has addressed these issues with uncommon insight, rigor and nuance,
and our discussion undoubtedly will be richer and more thought-provoking
for his participation.
 
A great number of things in the Chief's opinion
may, and certainly will, be subject to serious debate.  I am a bit
perplexed, however, that Prof. Garnett has saved his strongest fire for
the footnote 7 discussion of the Blaine Amendment.  For one thing, I
doubt very much that the outcome of Davey turned on the historical
question of "intent"; I think it highly unlikely that the Court
would be inclined to permit the "dead hand" of 115-year-old
underlying intent at the federal level to determine the
constitutionality of a modern state program.  In fairness to Rick,
however, that is not what troubles him. He is, instread,
"shock[ed]" by the "grossly mistaken assertion that such
[anti-Catholic] views had no role in . . . relation to the Washington
provisions at issue," and by "the Court's naked assertion that
the relevant Washington provisions, unlike the proposed Blaine Amendment
proper, owe nothing to anti-Catholicism."
 
There is definitely a disconnect here, and I
would genuinely welcome clarification.
 
There are two pertinent Washington
Constitutional provisions, both of which were included in the original
Washington Constitution.
 
The first, Article IX, section 4,
pro

Re: Locke v. Davey -- Blaine Amendments

2004-02-26 Thread Marty Lederman




I greatly appreciate Rick's gracious and thoughtful 
response.  I hope that when he returns to South Bend he'll be able to fill 
us in further on this question.
 
Rick's principal argument with respect to the "No 
public money" provision of article 11, section 1 appears to be that "the provision would not exist, in my 
judgment, but for the threats to American values that -- many believed 
-- were posed by Catholicism."
 
Perhaps this is 
correct.  And perhaps "[t]his connection is established in the recent work of Hamburger, 
McGreevy, and many others."  As I said, I do not know the history 
nearly as well as Rick, or Hamburger, McGreevy, etc.  But I do find it 
fairly odd -- that is to say, telling -- that none of the parties or amici in 
the case, nor Justices Scalia and Thomas, even attempted to 
demonstrate that anti-Catholicism was a "but for" cause of Washington's adoption 
of this particular sentence.  Therefore, I think it was completely 
understandable -- inevitable, even -- that the Court "quickly . . . dismissed" 
the purported connection to anti-Catholicism.  After all, the sentence is 
included in the midst of a constitutional provision that in every other respect 
is manifestly a striking affirmation of a dedication to protection of religious 
liberty -- obviously not animated by anti-Catholicism.  Moreover, 
as the Court emphasizes, the sentence has its obvious genesis in Jefferson's 
Bill for Religious Liberty, Madison's Memorial and Remonstrance, and the 
Constitutions of eight states enacted between 1776 and 1802 -- years 
before James Blaine was even the proverbial twinkle in his parents' eye.  
In light of all that, I would think that it would take a great deal of evidence 
to persuade the Court that anti-Catholicism was a "but for" cause of the "No 
public money" sentence.  But, as far as I know, the Court was offered 
no such evidence.  
 
Of course, to say that the "No funding" 
principle has a venerable pedigree, or even to say that it was motivated by that 
esteemed historical precedent rather than by, e.g., anti-Catholicism, is 
not to demonstrate why, or in what way, the 
principle furthers religious liberty; and therefore the fact that the state 
interest is "historic," and presumptively not motivated by religious animus or 
anti-Catholicism, does not explain why it is 
"substantial."  (The Chief juxtaposes these two adjectives at page 
11; but he never quite gets around to explaining the basis for the 
latter.)  In my eyes, this is the great, unanswered question in 
the opinion -- in what way, exactly, does the "No funding" principle protect 
religious liberty or conscience?  That is the debate that the briefs, and 
the Court, should have engaged, but unfortunately did 
not.  

  - Original Message ----- 
  From: 
  Rick 
  Garnett 
  To: Law & Religion issues for Law 
  Academics 
  Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 11:12 
  AM
  Subject: Re: Locke v. Davey -- Blaine 
  Amendments
  Dear all,I appreciate 
  Marty's kind words, and accept his entirely appropriate critique of my post 
  yesterday regarding Davey.  Marty is right to remind us -- that is, to 
  remind me -- that "there are two pertinent 
  Washington Constitutional provisions, both of which were included in the 
  original Washington Constitution."   I'm "on the 
  road" today, so I apologize for my inability to clarify my earlier remarks, or 
  document my earlier claims, to the extent I would like.I do want to 
  emphasize again, though, that (like Marty) I did not expect that the 
  connections between 19th Century anti-Catholicism and provisions like those at 
  issue in Davey would be outcome-determinative.  As many on this list have 
  shown (I'm thinking, in particular, of Chip Lupu, Steve Smith, and Bob 
  Tuttle), no-aid separationism can be respectably and powerfully defended today 
  without relying on anti-Catholicism.I should also say -- and I regret 
  that I have not always been clear on this point in my own work -- that I 
  regard "anti-Catholicism" as something distinguishable from "bigotry."  
  (I try to flesh out this argument in a short essay, "The Theology of the 
  Blaine Amendments, 
  http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=455220)  There is and 
  has long been such a thing as "anti-Catholic bigotry", but I (now) believe it 
  is more important to think about the arguments of those who feared and 
  disagreed with, and not simply disliked, Roman Catholicism.As Marty 
  points out, in the Becket Fund brief -- to which I contributed, and which was 
  endorsed by a number of distinguished historians, including John Witte, 
  Charles Glenn, George Marsden, etc. -- discussed the Blaine Amendments, their 
  progeny, and their origins in a general way.  T