RE: [Repeater-Builder] 3 minute timeout. FCC regulation or myth

[Don KA9QJG]

I have a 220 Repeater and a 440 Repeater Set at about 5 min. I think if a
Repeater is Supported By a Club it is up to the Members as to how long they
want it. I was on a Repeater last Week in the Chicago Metro area The timer
was set for 30 Seconds, I could not believe it but was Told it was a Large
Coverage repeater that was used for Hams going to and from work and that way
Everyone got a chance to talk on the way Home.,  I don't think it is a FCC
Rule  except  that it must ID Every 10 Min during use . I have some very
long-winded users but the Repeaters are low profile and No club or dues, so
I encourage the Long and often QSO. The only Problem as Some of get older by
the time it gets back to you. We forget what the Heck we wanted to say or
what someone else was talking about.  That is why it is Converted Old
Motorola Micor Continuous Duty Equipment. ,   Some of it Custom Made by the
Owners of this Group. I think if a timer is Set for the only Reason of a
couple of Min to protect the Equipment Then it Should be built Better to be
a real Repeater.



Happy Repeater Building



Don KA9QJG

[Repeater-Builder] 3 minute timeout. FCC regulation or myth

[Marty Schultz]

Hello all. I help to maintain the repeaters of the ham club I belong to 
and had a discussion with one of our rather older crusty member 
concerning the three minute timeout we have on our repeaters. On one 
occasion after he timeout one of our repeaters for about the third time 
(he is long winded) I said something like "I wish I could extend the 
timeout but the FCC wants the three minute time out on repeaters". He 
answer back that it is not a FCC regulation but a standard that develop 
over the years to prevent someone from being too longwinded on a 
repeater like himself. I spent some 20 years in a two-way shop and we 
always had nothing longer than three minutes timeout on the radios we 
program. We do newsline and rain on our nets and have the timeout 
temporary disable for them but I think that is permissible if you have a 
control operator standing by? Looking at part 97.213(b) for Telecommand 
of an amateur station they talk about provisions to limit transmissions 
of no more than three minutes in case of equipment failure. My 
interpretation is that would apply to "repeaters" also. Not looking for 
ammunition to battle  the fellow with but more to satisfy my curiosity 
and to know what is what.


Marty,  N9PPJ

[Repeater-Builder] Re: DB420 performance?

[Merritt]

im sorry that i got this thread so far off course. i have not used a
420 my self, however i do have a 450-470 DB411 antenna (4 bay with all
lobes facing the same way, each bay only has one dipole, looks like a
224 but for uhf.. the antenna is about 10-11 feet tall, and it works
very well at 444/449. very low reflected power.. we swept the antenna
with a site master and it swept well, though it was most resonant in
the commercial band. if i can find the sweep ill post it. the DB
antennas in the commercial split are generally ok to use in the near
by ham band ive found.. it may not be ideal but it works well if thats
what youve got. 

ive heard of people putting "whiskers" on teh folded dipoles to bring
the resonant frequency down a little by making the top/bottom of the
dipole a little longer. ive never tried it and i dont know how it works. 

on the sinclairs.. those diploes are stood WAY off the mast... how are
the standoffs connected to the mast? looks like a very heavy wind
would twist them if they arent welded or keyed in some way. 

on the long long long antennas like the 224 and 420, we have found
that they bend towards the bottom end at tropical storm force winds.
part of the bottom of the mast is sleeved inside with another piece of
pipe.. the bends usually occur where the internal sleeving stops..
andrews answer is to rate the antennas for a lower wind speed.. go
figure. 

we have a site on a 1700 foor tower, equipment is at 1400, and theres
an antenna at 1500 and 1600, or there abouts... they are 4 bay db vhf
antennas, and they are top and bottom mounted.. thats why they dont
bend. the bending we have seen were on buildings, where the antennas
are bottom mounted only. in the event we ever had to install a new
antenna for heavy duty use, i always thought id pull the short
internal sleeve out and sleeve it all teh way to the top of the bottom
section, with a heavier piece of aluminum pipe (it helps that we have
an excellent aluminum distributor here).


i guess thats all i have to say on antennas... oh yeah, and
ge/ericsson/macom stuff is the way to go.. haha


--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Duehr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 4/30/07, Merritt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > it was likely a lighter duty antenna... refer to the image below...
> >
> > http://sffma.net/images/147000/jan2006/DSC02920.JPG
> >
> > it may not even be sinclair.. if it isnt, who made it?
> 
> Yeah, don't think that's Sinclair... but maybe something older...
> those "wings" on the attach point don't look like anything I've ever
> seen from Sinclair.
> 
> If I can find a photo of the newer Sinclair ... hmm, let's see...
> 
>

> 
> That's a crappy photo of way too much "stuff", but if you go straight
> up the right hand tower leg in the tower closest to the camera, the
> antenna at the very top, and the one on the side-arm way up there
> pointed to the "right" in this photo both the HD UHF 4-bay Sinclair
> types.
> 
> On that same "right hand side" leg in this photo, side-mounted, is a
> 4-bay VHF Sinclair HD model, also.  The bottom two bays of the VHF are
> kinda lost in the photo's clutter.
> 
> You can spot the Sinclairs (and some DB's) because they use the longer
> 1/2 wave spacing arms to get them away from their masts... for a
> slightly different (usually more omni) pattern. It makes the VHF's
> look like they're sticking out there a long way from their masts.
> 
> The tower photo was taken more for it's "artistic" qualities than for
> documentation, so -- it's not the greatest shot of any specific
> antenna...
> 
> For fun, this shot is from the "left" side of that same tower leg...
> if you zoom it a lot, or look REAL hard you can see the buildings of
> Downtown Denver in the right-center between the trees.
> 
>

> 
> (God I love big mountains!  Who needs voted receivers!  GRIN!)
> 
> Here's a pretty good shot of the SRL-114, their "cheap" non-HD type
> older VHF array.  I don't like these as much -- our club has one as a
> "spare" VHF antenna in case of major damage where we need to get
> something back on the air "quick"...
> 
> 
> 
> This particular one was lying on my back porch there in the photos
> last summer for some much-needed maintenance and cleanup.  It appears
> to still work "fine", I just don't really think it'd survive at most
> of our mountain-top locations for long.
> 
> And here's a couple of shots of a "newer style" Sinclair VHF 4-bay
> from behind (its the VHF 4-bay on the first position inboard on the
> right side near the tower).  It's the non HD version, with an external
> harness (another thing I don't like much in rugged environments a long
> way from home)..
> 
>

[Repeater-Builder] Speaking of manuals....

[Mike Morris]

Does anyone have any extra copies of the service
manuals for low band, high band or UHF MT1000s?

I loaned my set out to a guy over a year ago who
was going to carefully take them apart and PDF
them, reassemble them (with a long-arm stapler)
and return them along with a set of PDFs on CD
and now he's evaporated.

I am specifically NOT asking anyone to loan me
their only copies, I am looking for someone that
may have an extra.

Mike WA6ILQ

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Manuals FS

[Mike Morris]

At 07:39 PM 05/01/07, you wrote:
>Jim,
>
>Let's try this again.  Apparently the group automation truncates email
>addresses (for privacy?).

One trick I have used is to use slashes... like this...
no-call-sign-yet /at/ arrl /dot/ net

Mike WA6ILQ

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: it's a Sinclair... Nope, its a Antenna Specialists!

[Dennis Bridgeman]

Laryn,
No, I haven't been able to test it out, since the harness is damaged.  But, I 
didn't want to put a lot into a harness if it wasn't the "B" version.

Dennis Bridgeman KCØFWN
Bridgeman Communications
202 Seventh Street
Carmi, IL 62821
http://bridgemancommunications.com

  - Original Message - 
  From: Laryn Lohman 
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 8:58 PM
  Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: it's a Sinclair... Nope, its a Antenna 
Specialists!


  --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Dennis Bridgeman"
  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  >
  > Thanks, now just to try and find out which band it was made for.
  >

  Have you checked it with an analyzer or what the SWR is at your
  frequency of interest? I have a ASPB602 and it IS broad as a barn.

  Laryn K8TVZ



   

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Manuals FS

[w6nct]

Jim,

Let's try this again.  Apparently the group automation truncates email
addresses (for privacy?).

I am still very interested in the indicated manuals (see below).

Please send me an Email directly (using the address "W6NCT @ ARRL .
net", omitting the spaces).  Please tell me if they are still
available.  Once we connect, we can discuss any specific payment or
mailing instructions.

Thank-you.

<<< vern >>>


--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "w6nct" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Jim,
> 
> I am very interested in the following manuals.  Please contact me
> directly ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) if they are still available.  Your message
> posting clipped your email address, so I couldn't respond directly.
> 
> 
> Standard RPTS-LMR-1 90 watt ?UHF/FM Repeater System
> Owner's Operating and Maintenance Manual
> 
> Standard DPX-1B/3B UHF Duplexers Instruction Manual
> 
> Standard MTP-4B Multiple Tone Panel Inst. Manual
> 
> Standard RPT-20 UHF/FM Repeater Owner's Operating and Maintenance
> Manual
> 
> 
> Thank-you.
> 
> <<< vern >>>
> 
> 
> 
> --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Jim, K8COP" 
> wrote:
> >
> > I have the following used manuals for sale:
> > 
>  <<< snip >>>
> > 
> > As far as I can tell they are complete. 
> > All manuals are $10.00 each. 
> > Shipping via USPS flat-rate shipping.
> > 
> > e-mail me at: k8cop@ (...address was truncated ...)
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Jim, K8COP
> >
>

[Repeater-Builder] Re: it's a Sinclair... Nope, its a Antenna Specialists!

[Laryn Lohman]

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Dennis Bridgeman"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Thanks,  now just to try and find out which band it was made for.
>

Have you checked it with an analyzer or what the SWR is at your
frequency of interest?  I have a ASPB602 and it IS broad as a barn.

Laryn K8TVZ

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: it's a Sinclair... Nope, its a Antenna Specialists!

[Mike Perryman K5JMP]

Dennis,
Ding me tomorrow as I have a bookcase full of old catalogs...  several
AS/Allen TelCom.  I will see if I can find a listing.
mperryman"at"cavellmertz.com
73
Mike
K5JMP
www.k5jmp.us


  -Original Message-
  From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dennis Bridgeman
  Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 5:28 PM
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: it's a Sinclair... Nope, its a Antenna
Specialists!



  Hi, everyone,

  I have been following this thread and maybe someone out there can help me
out.  I have what appears to be the same thing in storage here.  I am fairly
certain mine is the 4-bay ASP602, but I have been trying to find information
to help identify the freq band for it.  I have been trying to find
measurement references, but with no luck.  Also, on each of the mounts,
there is the number "4" stamped.  Is there anyone that might have some info
to help solve my dilemma?  I would be happy to provide measurements.

  Dennis Bridgeman KCØFWN
  Bridgeman Communications
  202 Seventh Street
  Carmi, IL 62821
  http://bridgemancommunications.com




- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 3:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: it's a Sinclair... Nope, its a
Antenna Specialists!



In a message dated 5/1/2007 1:55:56 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  Dig out an Antenna Specialists catalog. Looks like their "Power
Director" series to me.

  Chuck
  WB2EDV

Hi All!

I think Chuck is right it looks like a ASPC 601 or 602 (assuming its a 4
bay)
I have one along the side of the house, the element and mount is a
golden brass color

73, Brian, WD9HSY







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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: it's a Sinclair... Nope, its a Antenna Specialists!

[Dennis Bridgeman]

Thanks,  now just to try and find out which band it was made for.

Dennis Bridgeman KCØFWN
Bridgeman Communications
202 Seventh Street
Carmi, IL 62821
http://bridgemancommunications.com

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  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 4:42 PM
  Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: it's a Sinclair... Nope, its a Antenna 
Specialists!




ASP602

Here is the only listing I found .I thought I had a PDF around here!

http://www.wiscointl.com/decibel/dipoles/asp601-602.htm






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[Repeater-Builder] Re: it's a Sinclair... Nope, its a Antenna Specialists!

[bbedoe]

 


ASP602
 
Here is the only listing I found .I thought I had a PDF around  here!
 
_http://www.wiscointl.com/decibel/dipoles/asp601-602.htm_ 
(http://www.wiscointl.com/decibel/dipoles/asp601-602.htm) 



 



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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: it's a Sinclair... Nope, its a Antenna Specialists!

[Dennis Bridgeman]

Hi, everyone,

I have been following this thread and maybe someone out there can help me out.  
I have what appears to be the same thing in storage here.  I am fairly certain 
mine is the 4-bay ASP602, but I have been trying to find information to help 
identify the freq band for it.  I have been trying to find measurement 
references, but with no luck.  Also, on each of the mounts, there is the number 
"4" stamped.  Is there anyone that might have some info to help solve my 
dilemma?  I would be happy to provide measurements.

Dennis Bridgeman KCØFWN
Bridgeman Communications
202 Seventh Street
Carmi, IL 62821
http://bridgemancommunications.com




  - Original Message - 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 3:27 PM
  Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: it's a Sinclair... Nope, its a Antenna 
Specialists!



  In a message dated 5/1/2007 1:55:56 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL 
PROTECTED] writes:
Dig out an Antenna Specialists catalog. Looks like their "Power Director" 
series to me.

Chuck
WB2EDV

  Hi All!

  I think Chuck is right it looks like a ASPC 601 or 602 (assuming its a 4 bay)
  I have one along the side of the house, the element and mount is a golden 
brass color

  73, Brian, WD9HSY






--
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: DB420 performance?

[Nate Duehr]

On 4/30/07, Merritt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> it was likely a lighter duty antenna... refer to the image below...
>
> http://sffma.net/images/147000/jan2006/DSC02920.JPG
>
> it may not even be sinclair.. if it isnt, who made it?

Yeah, don't think that's Sinclair... but maybe something older...
those "wings" on the attach point don't look like anything I've ever
seen from Sinclair.

If I can find a photo of the newer Sinclair ... hmm, let's see...



That's a crappy photo of way too much "stuff", but if you go straight
up the right hand tower leg in the tower closest to the camera, the
antenna at the very top, and the one on the side-arm way up there
pointed to the "right" in this photo both the HD UHF 4-bay Sinclair
types.

On that same "right hand side" leg in this photo, side-mounted, is a
4-bay VHF Sinclair HD model, also.  The bottom two bays of the VHF are
kinda lost in the photo's clutter.

You can spot the Sinclairs (and some DB's) because they use the longer
1/2 wave spacing arms to get them away from their masts... for a
slightly different (usually more omni) pattern. It makes the VHF's
look like they're sticking out there a long way from their masts.

The tower photo was taken more for it's "artistic" qualities than for
documentation, so -- it's not the greatest shot of any specific
antenna...

For fun, this shot is from the "left" side of that same tower leg...
if you zoom it a lot, or look REAL hard you can see the buildings of
Downtown Denver in the right-center between the trees.



(God I love big mountains!  Who needs voted receivers!  GRIN!)

Here's a pretty good shot of the SRL-114, their "cheap" non-HD type
older VHF array.  I don't like these as much -- our club has one as a
"spare" VHF antenna in case of major damage where we need to get
something back on the air "quick"...



This particular one was lying on my back porch there in the photos
last summer for some much-needed maintenance and cleanup.  It appears
to still work "fine", I just don't really think it'd survive at most
of our mountain-top locations for long.

And here's a couple of shots of a "newer style" Sinclair VHF 4-bay
from behind (its the VHF 4-bay on the first position inboard on the
right side near the tower).  It's the non HD version, with an external
harness (another thing I don't like much in rugged environments a long
way from home)..





And then, just for fun again... the shot of Colorado Springs from that site...

http://web.mac.com/wy0x/iWeb/Site/Cheyenne%20Mountain%20Summer%202006_files/DSCN0600.jpg

Nate WY0X

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Repeater Controller SSC 836AA (SSC aka Solid State Communications).

[skipp025]

Hi Jim, 

I don't remember seeing the book/manual yet... 

Anything anyone sends me gets scanned into pdf files and is made 
available to anyone for free. 

Scom Bob sent me the Repco vhf and uhf manuals and I've already 
sent complete manual scans to Mike (and back to Bob).  

Send me anything you can and I'll get it sent out ok. I can and 
will make a download for most anything useful off the sonic page. 

I tend to break large manual scans into two parts... makes for 
easier email attachments. 

cheers, 
skipp 

> "Jim B." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> BTW-did you get the ST-822 book OK? I expect to get those boxed 
> and out the door this week, got 'em cleaned up and powered up-they 
> all came up the way I would expect them to after sitting for so 
> long...
> 
> Mike, Scott, or Kevin-do you want the book for these for RB? 
> Selectone ST-822, it's an old DTMF ANI decoder box/display.
> I got it pdf, but it's big, I had trouble sending it to Skipp. 
> Most servers didn't want to send it.
> 

> > skipp025 wrote:
> > Funny you should mention the tone remote stuff... I just scanned 
> > the SSC 831y tone remote manual into pdf and it's free to anyone 
> > by simply contacting me direct (not through the group) for a copy. 

[Repeater-Builder] wanted

[Steve]

Hi
sorry if a bit off topic. Iam in the UK and Iam looking for a
low band (50Mhz) MT1000, that is a resonable price and can
be sent to the UK. I want to program it up onto our 6mtr amateur
freqs so that I can use it with my 6mtr repeater
If you have one forsale please email me direct

Thanks

Steve M1SWB

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: it's a Sinclair... Nope, its a Antenna Specialists!

[bbedoe]

 
In a message dated 5/1/2007 1:55:56 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Dig out  an Antenna Specialists catalog. Looks like their "Power Director" 
series to  me.

Chuck
WB2EDV



Hi All!
 
I think Chuck is right it looks like a ASPC 601 or 602 (assuming its a 4  bay)
I have one along the side of the house, the element and mount is a golden  
brass color
 
73, Brian, WD9HSY
 



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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Repeater Controller SSC 836AA (SSC aka Solid State Communications).

[Jim B.]

skipp025 wrote:

> Funny you should mention the tone remote stuff... I just scanned 
> the SSC 831y tone remote manual into pdf and it's free to anyone 
> by simply contacting me direct (not through the group) for a copy. 

BTW-did you get the ST-822 book OK? I expect to get those boxed and out 
the door this week, got 'em cleaned up and powered up-they all came up 
the way I would expect them to after sitting for so long...

Mike, Scott, or Kevin-do you want the book for these for RB? Selectone 
ST-822, it's an old DTMF ANI decoder box/display.
I got it pdf, but it's big, I had trouble sending it to Skip. Most 
servers didn't want to send it.
-- 
Jim Barbour
WD8CHL

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: it's a Sinclair...

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Dig out an Antenna Specialists catalog. Looks like their "Power Director" 
series to me.

Chuck
WB2EDV




--- Original Message ---
>From: skipp025[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 5/1/2007 12:58:32 PM
To  : Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Cc  : 
Subject : RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re:  it's a Sinclair...

 Looks just like some older sinclair antennas I have in service. I 
would call it a Sinclair at first glance..
s. 

>  it was likely a lighter duty antenna... refer to the image below...
> 
>   http://sffma.net/images/147000/jan2006/DSC02920.JPG  
> 
> it may not even be sinclair.. if it isnt, who made it?
> 
> note, this was after two hurricanes (katrina and wilma), but our two
> dB antennas made it through unscathed... there were several other of
> this type antenna (not dB) on the tower that were in similar shape






 
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[Repeater-Builder] Bit the Bullett

[Steven Samuel Bosshard \(NU5D\)]

Well I jumped in this morning an faxed an order in to Icom for an ID-RP2C
controller and ID-RP4000V rf unit this morning.  D-Star is coming to Temple,
Texas

Ham Radio Spoken Here...NU5D EM11
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[Repeater-Builder] Re: Repeater Controller SSC 836AA (SSC aka Solid State Communications).

[skipp025]

Solid State Communications was in Hayward California. They are 
now out of business. I've been told Comm Spec bought them out. 

They made some really nice products... all great designes and well 
thought out. Comm Spec was supposed to carry on with some of their 
digital stuff and Norcom has near clone circuits of their filter 
units. 

Funny you should mention the tone remote stuff... I just scanned 
the SSC 831y tone remote manual into pdf and it's free to anyone 
by simply contacting me direct (not through the group) for a copy. 

You probably have the repeater/base remote end unit. I like to 
find/obtain SSC products when and where possible. 

If you are/were trying to replace the SSC remote units... Companies 
like Vega and CPI offer similar units as current products. 

cheers, 
skipp 

> "Jim B." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> anpap wrote:
> > Yes, the controller is in the Tait station. 
> > You may be right, it could be a Tone Remote board or 
> > something similar. 
> > 
> > Any idea where I can find more infromation about it?
> > 
> > cheers,
> > 
> > Andreas - 5B8AP
> 
> It doesn't appear so. The name of the company was Solid-State 
> Communications, Inc. But the one that comes up in Google (in KS) is NOT 
> the same company. They were originally in Hayward, CA., so it looks
like 
> they're out of business.
> 
> But yes, I'm about 99.99% sure that it's a tone or DC remote, or an 
> extended local interface, or something on that order. They didn't
make a 
> repeater controller that I ever saw.
> 
> Good news is you should be able to just yank it without consequence.
> Probably...
> -- 
> Jim Barbour
> WD8CHL
>

Re: [Repeater-Builder] New repeater Motorola or MA/COM

[Steven Samuel Bosshard \(NU5D\)]

I think I have had one Crescend 100 Watt 800 Mhz PA fail (1/2 power) in 4
years - ouyt of 70 some odd - dang good stuff in EDACS - Jamey if you ever
want to trade notes gimme a holler,

Steve

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Repeater Controller SSC 836AA

[Jim B.]

anpap wrote:
> Yes, the controller is in the Tait station. 
> You may be right, it could be a Tone Remote board or 
> something similar. 
> 
> Any idea where I can find more infromation about it?
> 
> cheers,
> 
> Andreas - 5B8AP

It doesn't appear so. The name of the company was Solid-State 
Communications, Inc. But the one that comes up in Google (in KS) is NOT 
the same company. They were originally in Hayward, CA., so it looks like 
they're out of business.

But yes, I'm about 99.99% sure that it's a tone or DC remote, or an 
extended local interface, or something on that order. They didn't make a 
repeater controller that I ever saw.

Good news is you should be able to just yank it without consequence.
Probably...
-- 
Jim Barbour
WD8CHL

[Repeater-Builder] AM-6154/6155 Amplifiers For Sale

[Robin Midgett]

Hello-
  I have for sale several clean AM6154 / 6155 amplifiers. The 
mainframes are tested for voltages, blower, and function. Cavity 
drawers are silver cleaned, ready for installation of your input 
circuit. {original input circuits, power sensor and LP filter 
removed}. They are in very nice shape with good sockets and brackets, 
no corrosion or overheating.
The cavities are without tubes. 4CX400A or the Russian GS-36B tubes 
will fit nicely in these amplifiers, and provide stable, reliable 
power. The 4CX250 will also work with anode adaptors, which I have a 
few of, and can produce more if needed.
I have a lot of spare parts (cavities, time delay relays, various 
mech. parts, and a number of extra mainframes w/o modules) plus an 
assortment of spare modules.
I have schematics and various modifications for 2m, 1.25m & 70cm in 
Adobe Acrobat formats available. Here's a nice site with more info: 
http://www.n1rwy.com/am6155.

I'm asking $250.00 each for the amplifiers, and I will crate & ship. 
UPS & FedEx (probably DHL also) will take the package with 
surcharges; figure on the package being 20" x 10" x 24", and 100 lbs. 
from 37122. I'll also deliver free of charge to a mutually convenient 
hamfest, (such as Dayton Hamvention) schedule permitting.

Yes, they'll do FM.

Thanks,
Robin Midgett K4IDC
615-322-5836 office - rolls to pager
615-835-7699 pager
615-301-1642 home
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.people.vanderbilt.edu/~robin.midgett/index.htm  

[Repeater-Builder] Re: it's a Sinclair...

[skipp025]

Looks just like some older sinclair antennas I have in service. I 
would call it a Sinclair at first glance..
s. 

>  it was likely a lighter duty antenna... refer to the image below...
> 
>  http://sffma.net/images/147000/jan2006/DSC02920.JPG 
> 
> it may not even be sinclair.. if it isnt, who made it?
> 
> note, this was after two hurricanes (katrina and wilma), but our two
> dB antennas made it through unscathed... there were several other of
> this type antenna (not dB) on the tower that were in similar shape

Re: [Repeater-Builder] New repeater Motorola or MA/COM

[Jim B.]

Tim S wrote:
> I've been asked to help spec out the new equipment and I've been stuck in a
> radio time warp for the last 12 years maintaining these Master II's.  So I'm
> just looking for some direct experience with the new stuff as far as
> reliability and serviceability as well.
> 
>  
> 
> It's been an interesting discussion!
> 
>  
> 
> -Tim

I think you're in theright ball park then. You can't go too far wrong 
with Quantars, MIII's, or TKR-8400's.
And remember, the Feds are supposed to narrowband this year, and 
everyone else on VHF/UHF (Part 90) will in 2013. Another good incentive 
to buy new, since you'll have to soon anyway.

-- 
Jim Barbour
WD8CHL

Re: [Repeater-Builder] New repeater Motorola or MA/COM

[Jim B.]

Paul Finch wrote:
   I just completed a crossband repeater for a
> balloon launch built out of Johnson's old HT line of radios.  Weighs 10
> ounces without batteries, the controller adds about 2 I think.
>  
> Paul 
> WB5IDM

587/589's? I remember them! I remember one customer that had a fleet of 
579's (VHF), probably a couple hundred. They were a wholesale nursery, 
and we caught them several times using the radios as a hammer to pound 
stakes in the ground.
Biggest issue was the little cap that went from the PC board up to the 
antenna connector, and the connector itself coming loose. We wound up 
soldering the nut to the thread on a lot of them.
-- 
Jim Barbour
WD8CHL





 
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] New repeater Motorola or MA/COM

[N9WYS]

Here's my 2¢ worth...

I'm running a 150W Crescend PA behind my Kenwood TKR-820 repeater -
absolutely NO complaints!!

Mark - N9WYS

-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of Jim B.
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 8:01 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] New repeater Motorola or MA/COM

Nate Duehr wrote:

> There's a number of decent options out there along those lines.  People 
> have
> been discussing Cresend with reasonably favorable comments, lately here --
> for one example.  I've seen a few analog public safety systems that are
> Kenwood's driving Crescend and/or Vocom (they bought Vocom out) PA's.

FWIW-the current vintage of MastrIII's uses Crescend PA's as well.

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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: DB420 performance?

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Looks like an Antenna Specialists to me.

Chuck
WB2EDV





--- Original Message ---
>From: Merritt[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 4/30/2007 10:35:27 PM
To  : Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Cc  : 
Subject : RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: DB420 performance?

 it was likely a lighter duty antenna... refer to the image below...

 http://sffma.net/images/147000/jan2006/DSC02920.JPG 

it may not even be sinclair.. if it isnt, who made it?

note, this was after two hurricanes (katrina and wilma), but our two
dB antennas made it through unscathed... there were several other of
this type antenna (not dB) on the tower that were in similar shape


--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Gary Schafer"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> 
> > 
> > > the sinclair i saw had the upper lobe broken off the mast, flying in
> > > the wind.. striking some 6" rigid copper feedline for a tv station!
> > > your mileage my vary but those antennas arent very neighborly!
> > 
> > I think you're thinking of the older models.  I don't think I have the
> > upper body strength to snap any of the pieces, including the dipoles
> > themselves, off of the HD models, even if I tried.  They're made of
> > very large tubing.  I'd have to stand on it on the ground and pull
> > with both arms to do any serious damage to the antenna, I'm sure.
> > 
> 
> Even the older models were built like a tank. Much stronger than any
of the
> other standard antennas on the market. I think you could climb on the
> Sinclair antenna and not harm it.
> 
> They did make a lighter version with external cable harness that was
not as
> hefty but still a very good antenna.
> 
> I have a couple of the lighter NOS Sinclair antennas for UHF if
anyone is
> interested. The model is 334-2. 6 db omni/ 8.5 db offset. $243.00 each.
> These are UPS shippable as they have a split mast with coupler.
> 
> 73
> Gary  K4FMX
>






 
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] New repeater Motorola or MA/COM

[Jamey Wright]

Yes they do.  I just replaced 3 800 Mhz PA's yesterday with the new Crescend
PA.  They are lighter for sure.  The label on one I remember looking at was
marked as 8.1 Amps for 100W out.  When I was at M/A-Com last year for an
EDACS class, one of the instructors was talking about the new PA's and
commented that they operate them at 10 watts with no problems.  Try that
with one of the older Mastr III or Mastr II PA's.

Jamey Wright
Systems Analyst/EDACS Administrator
Morgan County EMCD 911
Decatur, AL
256-552-0911

> -Original Message-
> From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Repeater-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim B.
> Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 8:01 AM
> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] New repeater Motorola or MA/COM
> 
> Nate Duehr wrote:
> 
> > There's a number of decent options out there along those lines.  People
> > have
> > been discussing Cresend with reasonably favorable comments, lately here
> --
> > for one example.  I've seen a few analog public safety systems that are
> > Kenwood's driving Crescend and/or Vocom (they bought Vocom out) PA's.
> 
> FWIW-the current vintage of MastrIII's uses Crescend PA's as well.
> 
> --
> Jim Barbour
> WD8CHL
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> 

[Repeater-Builder] Re: DB420 performance?

[Merritt]

it was likely a lighter duty antenna... refer to the image below...

http://sffma.net/images/147000/jan2006/DSC02920.JPG

it may not even be sinclair.. if it isnt, who made it?

note, this was after two hurricanes (katrina and wilma), but our two
dB antennas made it through unscathed... there were several other of
this type antenna (not dB) on the tower that were in similar shape


--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Gary Schafer"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> 
> > 
> > > the sinclair i saw had the upper lobe broken off the mast, flying in
> > > the wind.. striking some 6" rigid copper feedline for a tv station!
> > > your mileage my vary but those antennas arent very neighborly!
> > 
> > I think you're thinking of the older models.  I don't think I have the
> > upper body strength to snap any of the pieces, including the dipoles
> > themselves, off of the HD models, even if I tried.  They're made of
> > very large tubing.  I'd have to stand on it on the ground and pull
> > with both arms to do any serious damage to the antenna, I'm sure.
> > 
> 
> Even the older models were built like a tank. Much stronger than any
of the
> other standard antennas on the market. I think you could climb on the
> Sinclair antenna and not harm it.
> 
> They did make a lighter version with external cable harness that was
not as
> hefty but still a very good antenna.
> 
> I have a couple of the lighter NOS Sinclair antennas for UHF if
anyone is
> interested. The model is 334-2. 6 db omni/ 8.5 db offset. $243.00 each.
> These are UPS shippable as they have a split mast with coupler.
> 
> 73
> Gary  K4FMX
>

Re: [Repeater-Builder] New repeater Motorola or MA/COM

[Jim B.]

Nate Duehr wrote:

> There's a number of decent options out there along those lines.  People 
> have
> been discussing Cresend with reasonably favorable comments, lately here --
> for one example.  I've seen a few analog public safety systems that are
> Kenwood's driving Crescend and/or Vocom (they bought Vocom out) PA's.

FWIW-the current vintage of MastrIII's uses Crescend PA's as well.

-- 
Jim Barbour
WD8CHL

Re: [Repeater-Builder] New repeater Motorola or MA/COM

[Mike Pugh]

We used to tell people that Motorola watts were bigger than anyone 
else's watts. Funny thing was that a lot of folks believed us! Mike KA4MKG

Gary Schafer wrote:
> 
> 
> That reminds me of a time (many years ago) when I worked for Motorola. 
> One of the Motorola salesman was telling some of the other Motorola 
> salesmen about a system he had sold some radios into and how there were 
> some coverage problems. Upon discovering that there were a few GE 
> handheld radios in the system several of the salesmen said “well that’s 
> the problem” , “There is no way those GE radios are going to work as 
> well a Motorola radio”. Funny part of it was that most of the salesmen 
> really believed that. Talk about a religious leader..   >J
> 
>  
> 
> 73
> 
> Gary  K4FMX
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nate Duehr
> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 3:41 PM
> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] New repeater Motorola or MA/COM
> 
>  
> 
> On 4/30/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> 
> Who is making the best repeater these days?  Motorola or MA/Com
> formaly GE?
> 
> 
> That would be a question best suited for your favorite religious leader, 
> probably.  ;-)
> 
> First, define: "best"...
> 
> If all you want is anecdotes, I can personally say that I've seen the 
> current generation Motorola and M/ACom products both in operation 24/7 
> in various public safety and Amateur radio applications in the local 
> area, and they both appear to work fine.  But that's probably not what 
> you wanted.
> 
> Nate WY0X
> 
> 




 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] New repeater Motorola or MA/COM

[Maire-Radios]

we have been replacing our Micor repeaters with Kenwood TKR-840 with better 
operation.

John


  - Original Message - 
  From: Tim S 
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 1:30 AM
  Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] New repeater Motorola or MA/COM



  Wow, did that get a response!



  What I was wondering about was failure rate and serviceability.   We're 
replacing Master II's that have been in operation about 30 years.  They have 
been pretty reliable until recently.



  I'd hate to replace them with something new and have nothing but problems.



  -Tim





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Nate Duehr
  Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 12:41 PM
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] New repeater Motorola or MA/COM



  On 4/30/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Who is making the best repeater these days?  Motorola or MA/Com formaly GE?


  That would be a question best suited for your favorite religious leader, 
probably.  ;-)

  First, define: "best"... 

  If all you want is anecdotes, I can personally say that I've seen the current 
generation Motorola and M/ACom products both in operation 24/7 in various 
public safety and Amateur radio applications in the local area, and they both 
appear to work fine.  But that's probably not what you wanted. 

  Nate WY0X



   

RE: [Repeater-Builder] New repeater Motorola or MA/COM

[Tim S]

 

 

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From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nate Duehr


I'm curious to see if: 

1. You're seeing the majority of failures in PA's. 
2. If you're seeing other failures of some sort.  (That would be odd to me,
at least from our experiences with them here.) 

 

Well, I've had the PA fail about three times in the 12 years I've been
maintaining it.  The last time I rebuilt it all from scratch and added a
couple of fans.  Most recently the pots on the repeater audio board failed
and had to be replaced.  After that I've been having trouble getting it to
key reliably via the remote keyer.

 

The main thing is that they are for a commercial/government agency with the
lack of replacement parts available, its time to update.  We also have
coverage issues because over the years our area has grown so it's just a
natural thing to put in new stuff.

 

 

Curiosity kills the cat... and what we REALLY want to know, is just where DO
you Safari, Safari_Tim?  :-) :-) :-)

 

LOL..  My first travel trailer model was a Safari..




Anyway, I'd say that the Magic 8-Ball says that most folks seem to be having
pretty good luck with Moto, M/ACom, and Kenwood these days.  It says, "Ask
Again" whenever I ask it about EF Johnson, Icom, Yaesu/Vertex, right now.
(Oh lord, I can hear the keyboards typing up the flames now.  Time to go don
my Nomex underwear.) 

 

I've been asked to help spec out the new equipment and I've been stuck in a
radio time warp for the last 12 years maintaining these Master II's.  So I'm
just looking for some direct experience with the new stuff as far as
reliability and serviceability as well.

 

It's been an interesting discussion!

 

-Tim