[Repeater-Builder] Re: Need to program Micsale and Kirisun
Yes, I was a bit surprised about the price. I saw that they exhibited at CeBit - the EU usually have tighter standards than over here, so I would assume they meet them if they are going to spend all that money on exhibiting. Actually my first reaction to the price was to worry about the ethics of Child Labour! I think my biggest problem is that they are to be used with a Motorola GR1225 repeater that is set up for DPL and I don't see that on their web site! thanks, 73 ve3id --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, George Henry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: According to Kirisun's website, they are apparently PC-programmable with the appropriate software and cable, but I'd be very leery of those radios... a $60.00, 16-channel 3.5 watt UHF HT from China may not be type-accepted, certificated, or whatever the approval process is in VE land. Down here in the States, you'd end up in a heap of trouble for programming them, if so. Couldn't find any info on the Micsale radios, and Google warns that the Micsale website may damage your computer. 73, George, KA3HSW / WQGJ413 - Original Message - From: Nigel Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 8:56 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Need to program Micsale and Kirisun In return for letting us stay on top of the hill where we are, our landlord, a ski club, has asked us to program some Micsale MS889 and Kirisun PT3500 radios onto their ski patrol frequencies. Does anybody have any information, manuals,programming software or RIBs for these units or know how to get same? Any help would be appreciated and will help us keep our repeater on the air. regards, Nigel ve3id
Re: [Repeater-Builder] S-COM 5K Dump on power glitch.
Hi Bob Boy I like comprehensive answers! Well when we go over next week I will switch controllers and keep my fingers crossed and I will put in a new lithium cell as well. Thanks; Gran K6RIF At 11:17 PM 12/8/2007, you wrote: Hi Gran, I am sure this 5K does not have the V2.0 upgrade. There is one other piece of information of interest. In the last two outages other commercial equipment also had programming problems. I have to wonder if the 5K is susceptible to low voltage. The dropping of a single phase in the transmission line often will give a low voltage like 80V instead of 120V. The Astron does not have a low voltage cut out so I could see the output voltage dropping from 13.5 to say 6 to 8 volts under load. Could this cause a corruption of memory in spite of the lithium battery? It shouldn't happen. The 5K, 6K, and 7K have similar reset and memory protection systems, which work like this: As the +5V supply drops, the processor is forced into reset first, followed a short time later by the RAM being disabled. The coin cell is switched in to replace the +5V supply as the RAM's power source. The current drawn from the cell is very low because the RAM is no longer being written or read. When power returns, the reverse occurs. As the voltage climbs, the RAM's power supply is switched from the coin cell to the +5V supply and the RAM is enabled. The processor's reset line is then released and the processor begins executing its program. If you try to run the controller under brownout conditions, +10V regulator will lose regulation and output a voltage that is lower than its input. If the +10V regulator can't supply the +5V regulator with enough voltage, and the +5V output drops by 5%, the protection system kicks in. As extra protection, if the processor ever jumps the track and fails to execute the program correctly, a watchdog circuit will notice this and reset the processor. That restarts the program. Since the 5K is quite old it's possible the RAM, the DS1232 (reset), or the DS1210 (battery manager) is bad. I suppose it's even possible that the INIT pushbutton is corroded closed so that every reset is a cold start, but you'd know this by listening to the reset message (an appended CW C = Cold Start). Or, the battery jumper is out, or the cell was installed reversed, or ?.. 73, Bob -- Check out AOL Money Finance's list of the http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop000301hottest products and http://money.aol.com/top5/general/ways-you-are-wasting-money?NCID=aoltop000302top money wasters of 2007.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: MSF 5000 CLB
Thanks Bob the repeater come up today and sounds good no open squelch nose nice and clear. I will see how it goes. Thanks Bob L - Original Message - From: Bob M. To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 6:25 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: MSF 5000 CLB Which that are you referring to??? What book did you look in? Please be more specific. Bob M. == --- Bob Luttrull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been looking in the book and did not find that. Were did you find that at? Bob - Original Message - From: Bob M. To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 5:25 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: MSF 5000 CLB Watch how it drifts when the station cools off or heats up. While the VCO may lock between, say, 20 and 40, the book recommends 38uA so it has some room to swing. You can adjust the tuning and see how high and low you can go before the green LED goes out, then tune it in the middle. As long as it stays locked, you're OK. Long-term drift should be 2-4uA. If the tuning is erratic or the meter jumps around as you slowly adjust the tuning slug, you'll have to pull the VCO, pull the tuning slug, clean all the metal filings off the threads and inside the VCO, put it all back together, make sure the thin nut is tight so the tuning slug requires a bit of erfort to tune, and readjust it. Everything should tune smoothly with no jumps on the meter. Bob M. == --- Bob Luttrull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Bob I put the panel on and the RX was at 48uA and the TX was at 40uA so I put the RX at 40uA. The RX light came back on and it working good for now. I will check it in the morning to see if it is good. Thanks Bob - Original Message - From: Bob M. To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: MSF 5000 CLB Also make sure the VCO locks are in the OPERATE position. They should be in the TRANSIT or LOCKED position if/when the station is moved. This won't affect the problems your having, but it will allow the VCOs to pick up noise from anything mechanical outside the station, like fans or rotating machinery. The control tray should be slightly warm. Heat would be generated on the IPA/REG board in the center rear; nothing else should create noticeable heat. The only item that needed the fan was the PA/PS assembly at the top. The fans were usually mounted between those and the control tray. Bob M. == --- Bob Luttrull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No I don't thing that it is the controll because the RX tray hot very HOT at times that is way I put the fan on it when it was in my basement. I am going to put the meter on it to see where the uA are at for the RX and TX. The repeater has been moved 3 time and has not been check for alignment. Thanks Bob - Original Message - From: Andrew G. To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 11:11 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: MSF 5000 CLB Bob, Sounds like there's a problem with your Arcom controller (RC-210 I guess?). I've had mine bug out a few times where something similiar would occur, but it usually corrected itself after being reset. Could be firmware or a bad programming string somewhere... As far as the open squelch noise goes, thats something I've never encountered. I run 3 CLB UHF Stations and a CXB 900MHz Station with no cooling on the control tray and this hasn't happened on any of them. Is the white noise appearing in the hangtime only with no cor activity on the RX? Does this still happen when you run the MSF with the internal controller? Andy KC2GOW P.S. We can fight over the legality of the time announcement on repeaters on another thread...hahaha --- In Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com, kd7ikz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All I am runnig a MSF 5000 CLB with a Arcom controll. I am also runnig echolink on the repeater. I have the repeater say the time every hour and half hour. I was going to work today and the repeater said to time ok. Then I was going to get on echolink and the repeater did not key up so I called home and the wife said that the TX light was on and the RX light was blinking on and off. She tryed to reset but the RX
[Repeater-Builder] Antenna standoff recomendations
Hi Folks, Before looking on Hutton and Tessco (others?) sites, wanted to ask the group about some recommendations for a new site. Looking for a antenna standoff for the db224 and db420 antennas. Standoff MUST be able to stand off about 6ft min. from the tower. The tower is a Rohn SSV tower. The standoff *may* be mounted on the 5.5 pipe, however it may be on the smaller pipe (gets smaller as it gets higher). Also will be needing the sway bar for that length as well. Any recommendations before digging into the catalogs. Going to be making recommendations to our group that will be doing the grant writing for our repeaters going up. Thanks, Robert Burton KD4YDC DEC NWS in Peachtree City, GA. www.georgiaskywarn.com
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Antenna standoff recomendations
the last one I got was from Rohn for my tower, I has to give them the section it was going on and they did the rest. - Original Message - From: georgiaskywarn To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 1:21 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Antenna standoff recomendations Hi Folks, Before looking on Hutton and Tessco (others?) sites, wanted to ask the group about some recommendations for a new site. Looking for a antenna standoff for the db224 and db420 antennas. Standoff MUST be able to stand off about 6ft min. from the tower. The tower is a Rohn SSV tower. The standoff *may* be mounted on the 5.5 pipe, however it may be on the smaller pipe (gets smaller as it gets higher). Also will be needing the sway bar for that length as well. Any recommendations before digging into the catalogs. Going to be making recommendations to our group that will be doing the grant writing for our repeaters going up. Thanks, Robert Burton KD4YDC DEC NWS in Peachtree City, GA. www.georgiaskywarn.com
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Antenna standoff recomendations
Robert, An offset of six feet is going to require some pretty hefty support members. Check out the mounting hardware shown for the DB224 and DB228 on the Andrew catalog page: www.andrew.com/catalog/product.aspx?id=135ShowObsolete=falsefilter=466|3| |0|| or use this TinyURL: http://tinyurl.com/yvpqs6 Once that you find out that the side-mounting hardware might cost more than the antenna, and you start thinking about making your own side mount out of Unistrut, make sure everything is as corrosion-proof as possible. The lateral pipes or struts and clamps should be hot-dip galvanized. Bolts, nuts, and washers should be high-strength stainless steel if not hot-dip galvanized. If the tower you will use is at one side of the intended coverage area, think about arranging the dipole elements in an offset configuration. This will allow you to use the tower as part of the pattern shaping, and will greatly reduce the distance from the tower. It also reduces the moment arm of the antenna, and the resulting twist of the tower. Contact Andrew Tech Support for guidance on side-mounting the DB224 and DB228. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of georgiaskywarn Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 10:22 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Antenna standoff recomendations Hi Folks, Before looking on Hutton and Tessco (others?) sites, wanted to ask the group about some recommendations for a new site. Looking for a antenna standoff for the db224 and db420 antennas. Standoff MUST be able to stand off about 6ft min. from the tower. The tower is a Rohn SSV tower. The standoff *may* be mounted on the 5.5 pipe, however it may be on the smaller pipe (gets smaller as it gets higher). Also will be needing the sway bar for that length as well. Any recommendations before digging into the catalogs. Going to be making recommendations to our group that will be doing the grant writing for our repeaters going up. Thanks, Robert Burton KD4YDC DEC NWS in Peachtree City, GA. www.georgiaskywarn.com
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Antenna standoff recomendations
it this is like most tower work it will need to be approved by an engineer and to do that home made will not work. I would never allowed it on my tower and the insurance co would not also. needs to have the correct wind load use. Go to Rohn and get it done right the first time and safely. - Original Message - From: Eric Lemmon To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 2:06 PM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Antenna standoff recomendations Robert, An offset of six feet is going to require some pretty hefty support members. Check out the mounting hardware shown for the DB224 and DB228 on the Andrew catalog page: www.andrew.com/catalog/product.aspx?id=135ShowObsolete=falsefilter=466|3| |0|| or use this TinyURL: http://tinyurl.com/yvpqs6 Once that you find out that the side-mounting hardware might cost more than the antenna, and you start thinking about making your own side mount out of Unistrut, make sure everything is as corrosion-proof as possible. The lateral pipes or struts and clamps should be hot-dip galvanized. Bolts, nuts, and washers should be high-strength stainless steel if not hot-dip galvanized. If the tower you will use is at one side of the intended coverage area, think about arranging the dipole elements in an offset configuration. This will allow you to use the tower as part of the pattern shaping, and will greatly reduce the distance from the tower. It also reduces the moment arm of the antenna, and the resulting twist of the tower. Contact Andrew Tech Support for guidance on side-mounting the DB224 and DB228. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of georgiaskywarn Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 10:22 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Antenna standoff recomendations Hi Folks, Before looking on Hutton and Tessco (others?) sites, wanted to ask the group about some recommendations for a new site. Looking for a antenna standoff for the db224 and db420 antennas. Standoff MUST be able to stand off about 6ft min. from the tower. The tower is a Rohn SSV tower. The standoff *may* be mounted on the 5.5 pipe, however it may be on the smaller pipe (gets smaller as it gets higher). Also will be needing the sway bar for that length as well. Any recommendations before digging into the catalogs. Going to be making recommendations to our group that will be doing the grant writing for our repeaters going up. Thanks, Robert Burton KD4YDC DEC NWS in Peachtree City, GA. www.georgiaskywarn.com
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Antenna standoff recomendations
Bob, If you interested in it, I have one that had I built for for a SST tower on Sawnee Mtn. Mounts on 1 leg and support 2 DB420 or similar antennas. I used it there for a year or 2 at the 120' level, then had to move. Contact me at 770 893 -2906 or [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you want to get more info. -- Doug N3DAB/WPRX486/WPJL709 georgiaskywarn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: = Hi Folks, Before looking on Hutton and Tessco (others?) sites, wanted to ask the group about some recommendations for a new site. Looking for a antenna standoff for the db224 and db420 antennas. Standoff MUST be able to stand off about 6ft min. from the tower. The tower is a Rohn SSV tower. The standoff *may* be mounted on the 5.5 pipe, however it may be on the smaller pipe (gets smaller as it gets higher). Also will be needing the sway bar for that length as well. Any recommendations before digging into the catalogs. Going to be making recommendations to our group that will be doing the grant writing for our repeaters going up. Thanks, Robert Burton KD4YDC DEC NWS in Peachtree City, GA. www.georgiaskywarn.com
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Antenna standoff recomendations
Bob, If you interested in it, I have one that had I built for for a SST tower on Sawnee Mtn. Mounts on 1 leg and support 2 DB420 or similar antennas. I used it there for a year or 2 at the 120' level, then had to move. Contact me at 770 893 -2906 or [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you want to get more info. -- Doug N3DAB/WPRX486/WPJL709 georgiaskywarn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: = Hi Folks, Before looking on Hutton and Tessco (others?) sites, wanted to ask the group about some recommendations for a new site. Looking for a antenna standoff for the db224 and db420 antennas. Standoff MUST be able to stand off about 6ft min. from the tower. The tower is a Rohn SSV tower. The standoff *may* be mounted on the 5.5 pipe, however it may be on the smaller pipe (gets smaller as it gets higher). Also will be needing the sway bar for that length as well. Any recommendations before digging into the catalogs. Going to be making recommendations to our group that will be doing the grant writing for our repeaters going up. Thanks, Robert Burton KD4YDC DEC NWS in Peachtree City, GA. www.georgiaskywarn.com
[Repeater-Builder] Discriminator audio
I am running a Hamtronics receiver on our 53.090/52.090 repeater. Should I use discriminator audio or squelched audio from the speaker. Our Links RLC4 will use either one. Mick
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Discriminator audio
Hi Mick, I am running a Hamtronics receiver on our 53.090/52.090 repeater. Should I use discriminator audio or squelched audio from the speaker. Speaker audio is usually not a good idea. Not only does it have the highest distortion of any point along the audio path, but if someone adjusts the local speaker pot he'll also be changing the repeat audio level. The discriminator is a good source because it doesn't have those problems. Discriminator audio is preemphasized, so depending on how you will be handling your audio you may have to deemphasize it at the controller. There's plenty of information on the topic on the Repeater-Builder website. 73, Bob, WA9FBO **Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop000301)
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Discriminator audio
Which Hamtronics receiver are you using? I am using the R100 receiver. Joe mickupi wrote: I am running a Hamtronics receiver on our 53.090/52.090 repeater. Should I use discriminator audio or squelched audio from the speaker. Our Links RLC4 will use either one. Mick
[Repeater-Builder] MSR2000 Info?
I'm looking for info on the MSR2000; I've read the pages at Repeater-builder.com but I haven't seen any information about where to look on the chassis for part numbers, or which ones are associated with what bandsplits. Anyone got any links they'd like to share? -- Kris Kirby, KE4AHR [EMAIL PROTECTED] But remember, with no superpowers comes no responsibility. --rly
Re: [Repeater-Builder] MSR2000
Ron, I have an extra set of the referenced MSR2000 manuals ( 68P1061E50-C and 68P81061E40-C) still in the Motorola plastic wrappers available. I will be happy to sell them at $ 15.00 each plus postage. If you are interested, please advise your complete address and I will package them and send them to you. Paul K0LAV [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Original message -- From: Ron Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] hi all, Looking for a maintance manual for a MSR2000. Anyone have one they are welling to part with??? 73, ron, n9ee/r Ron Wright, N9EE 727-376-6575 MICRO COMPUTER CONCEPTS Owner 146.64 repeater Tampa Bay, FL No tone, all are welcome.
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Antenna standoff recomendations
6 feet was actually recommended by the site super. I have not ran the numbers yet, but will to see the different wave lengths out from the tower. On this site; http://disneycrazy.smugmug.com/gallery/2241024 (password is magic2006) you will see the old site and the new site. The db420 at the top side of the Rohn45 was out 4ft from the tower. The new site shows some verticles at 6ft from the tower. Another site I am on has several db224's out from the tower at least 6ft. Just starting to look and appreciate all of your comments. 73, Robert KD4YDC --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Eric Lemmon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert, An offset of six feet is going to require some pretty hefty support members. Check out the mounting hardware shown for the DB224 and DB228 on the Andrew catalog page: www.andrew.com/catalog/product.aspx?id=135ShowObsolete=falsefilter=466|3| |0|| or use this TinyURL: http://tinyurl.com/yvpqs6 Once that you find out that the side-mounting hardware might cost more than the antenna, and you start thinking about making your own side mount out of Unistrut, make sure everything is as corrosion-proof as possible. The lateral pipes or struts and clamps should be hot-dip galvanized. Bolts, nuts, and washers should be high-strength stainless steel if not hot-dip galvanized. If the tower you will use is at one side of the intended coverage area, think about arranging the dipole elements in an offset configuration. This will allow you to use the tower as part of the pattern shaping, and will greatly reduce the distance from the tower. It also reduces the moment arm of the antenna, and the resulting twist of the tower. Contact Andrew Tech Support for guidance on side-mounting the DB224 and DB228. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of georgiaskywarn Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 10:22 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Antenna standoff recomendations Hi Folks, Before looking on Hutton and Tessco (others?) sites, wanted to ask the group about some recommendations for a new site. Looking for a antenna standoff for the db224 and db420 antennas. Standoff MUST be able to stand off about 6ft min. from the tower. The tower is a Rohn SSV tower. The standoff *may* be mounted on the 5.5 pipe, however it may be on the smaller pipe (gets smaller as it gets higher). Also will be needing the sway bar for that length as well. Any recommendations before digging into the catalogs. Going to be making recommendations to our group that will be doing the grant writing for our repeaters going up. Thanks, Robert Burton KD4YDC DEC NWS in Peachtree City, GA. www.georgiaskywarn.com
Re: [Repeater-Builder] KXN1018C versus KXN1019B Channel Element
The only differnence that I have heard of is stability. As I remember someone telling me at a hamfest that the 1018's were higher stability than the 1019's. If memory serves the 1018's are 2ppm?? According to the channel chart here: http://repeater-builder.com/micor/micor-element-info.html The 1019's are 5 ppm. So logically that would make the 1018's 2ppm. Long and short, I have always found them to be interchangeable in all the situations I have encountered. Scott Scott Zimmerman Amateur Radio Call N3XCC 612 Barnett Road Boswell, PA 15531 - Original Message - From: swellesleys [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 1:17 AM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] KXN1018C versus KXN1019B Channel Element Does anyone know the difference between the Motorola KXN1018C and the KXN1019B channel elements. I am working on a Micor based repeater for our local repeater group. The exciter board is a Motorola TLD5322A which uses the KXN1019B channel element according to my Motorola manual (68P81013E65L). However, the exciter board I am using came with four KXN1018C channel elements. I have compared the KXN1018C I have to the schematic and layout of the KXN1019B on Repeater-builder and the only difference I see for components which have values in the schematic are C1 (22pF instead of 36pF) and C4 (10pF instead of 9pF). Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.17/1179 - Release Date: 12/9/2007 11:06 AM
RE: [Repeater-Builder] GE Mastrll
So if I found one with DC56YAS66A number, it could still be put into the 2 meter band, correct? Rod
