Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Controller with A/D voltage readout and Control Outputs

2008-07-28 Thread no6b
At 7/28/2008 13:44, you wrote:

>I am looking for a controller for a commercial application that will allow 
>control of several output relays and will allow readout on the repeater of 
>a voltage level via voice. (As well as control the repeater)
>
>Rather than pour through all the specs on line, I thought I would query 
>the group for suggestions for one with this capability.
>
>Thanks - Jim  W5ZIT

LinkComm: RLC-1+, RLC-DSP404
SCom: 7330 (may not support A/D readback yet, but will soon - the hardware 
is there & firmware for it is being developed now).

Bob NO6B



[Repeater-Builder] Re: Repeater Controller with A/D voltage readout and Control Outputs

2008-07-28 Thread Joe Burkleo
Jim,
On our commercial and amateur sites we use the Arcom RC-210
controllers for both amateur and commercial repeaters, as well as
total site monitoring. We have them reading voltage and charging
current on our solar sites with voice announcements. Monitoring the AC
power and starting and stopping the generator, along with voice
announcements when the generator is running and stopped. We also have
voice announcements for door alarms and temperature readout. These
controllers have one of the best sounding user DVR record and playback
audio that I have heard, in addition to the factory vocabulary that is
built in. I do highly recommend their software to program the
controller with the computer.

Here is the basic features from page 4 of the Hardware manual.

Introduction
Congratulations on your purchase of the RC210 Repeater Controller. By
harnessing the power of state-of-the-art RISC
microprocessor technology in a sophisticated 3 port design and the
resulting reduction in required components, the RC210
provides your repeater with a rugged, reliable and expandable
controller with features usually found in controllers costing
hundreds of dollars more.
The RC210 continues the Arcom tradition started with our RC-110
Repeater Controller by making updates to the operating
firmware available for free to purchasers of the RC210. As updates
become available, they are posted on our website and
available free of charge to any RC210 owner. Installing updates
requires no more than a computer running Windows
95/98/NT/2000/XP with a serial (or USB) port. With the RC210, you just
download the free update and upload it into your RC210
in minutes!
Features
! Three port design - Each port may be operated independently with its
own hang time, ID's and Courtesy Tones.
! Selectable Monitor Mute/Monitor Mix audio for each link port and
selectable cross linking ability between ports
! Each port may be defined as half or full-duplex
! 240+ word vocabulary in real human speech. May be used in
programmable ID's or other messages
! On-board DVR for recording your own custom messages over the air
(may be used in any programmable message)
! Fully programmable command codes up to 8 digits each
! Automatic ID rotation with Initial and Pending ID's and timers.
! Programmable CW messages programmable dual-tone and speed, on a per
port basis
! Gated audio on all ports with selectable de-emphasis - you may tap
directly off the discriminator without regard for squelch
action or de-emphasis on any port
! True sine wave microprocessor generated tones
! Use of low-noise, high-impedance JFET op amps for exceptional audio
quality
! 40 Command Macros that can store up to 15 commands each, including
other macros
! 50 Command Macros that can store up to 4 commands each, including
other macros
! Each port has its own dedicated DTMF decoder
! DTMF Pad Test where entered digits are read back by the controller
! Selectable CTCSS/Carrier squelch modes on all ports.
! General purpose timers for specially timed events
! Each port may be defined to require CTCSS or not require CTCSS for
DTMF operation
! Selectable Enable/Disable of DTMF on all ports
! Selectable polarity of COS and CTCSS signals on each port
! Selectable CTCSS encode control output with programmable delay
dropout for controlling external CTCSS encoder on
each port
! Frequency agile Remote Base operation, including transmitter offset
and CTCSS selection.
! 8 A/D inputs for voltage or current measurements with 6 custom
definable meter faces
! 3 auxiliary audio inputs for use with a weather receiver, autopatch
or other external audio source
! A/D inputs protected against over or negative voltages
! Scheduler with 20 setpoints
! Choice of DB9 or RJ45 connectors for radio port connection.
! 5 digital inputs
! LED displays of controller status
! 7 user controllable digital outputs for remote control - expandable
to 23
! Programmable timers, including hang time, timeout and ID interval
! Hardware watchdog timer
! Fan control with programmable shut off timer

http://www.arcomcontrollers.com/

I think they are worth a look.

73, and good luck.

Joe - WA7JAW

 

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Jim Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I am looking for a controller for a commercial application that will
allow control of several output relays and will allow readout on the
repeater of a voltage level via voice. (As well as control the repeater)
> 
> Rather than pour through all the specs on line, I thought I would
query the group for suggestions for one with this capability.
> 
> Thanks - Jim  W5ZIT
>




[Repeater-Builder] Repeater Controller with A/D voltage readout and Control Outputs

2008-07-28 Thread Jim Brown
I am looking for a controller for a commercial application that will allow 
control of several output relays and will allow readout on the repeater of a 
voltage level via voice. (As well as control the repeater)

Rather than pour through all the specs on line, I thought I would query the 
group for suggestions for one with this capability.

Thanks - Jim  W5ZIT



  

[Repeater-Builder] Anyone know how to connect modem to a Privacy Plus controller?

2008-07-28 Thread bbfmrf
I have to replace a modem on a Motorola Privacy Plus Controller.

I picked up a new external modem w/ a serial port, but I cannot find 
any instructions or settings for the modem. 

Its been a long time since I have had hands on with these and it 
appears I am lost.

Does anyone have a simple straightforward method for setting up this 
modem.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks.



[Repeater-Builder] Vertex-Standard VX-4000U mod to 440?

2008-07-28 Thread transistor747
I have a request to provide flat audio from dc to 5k on a UHF link from 
a 2 meter repeater.
I've got some new Vertex-Standard VX-4000U radios that would do nicely, 
but they won't program below 450.
Has anyone run across a mod to the software that will allow use on 440 
freqs?
Thanks!
Sam, WA5VDM



[Repeater-Builder] Re: Receiver for 6 meters

2008-07-28 Thread ldgelectronics
Mick, 

You are in luck. I was just cleaning a small corner of the radio shed
out and was going to pitch an Exec II receiver already crystaled and
tuned on 52.190. It would work well for your repeater and cost nothing
but shipping.

Contact me off the list if you want it.

Dwayne Kincaid
WD8OYG

> I need a good receiver for our 6 meter repeater. It is on
> 53.090/52.090. What would be a good radio to look for. Preferably
> crystal controlled and easy to tune. I am not completely ruling out
> programmable radios, it's just that they are not my preference. If you
> have something you would part with I might be a buyer.
> Thanks, Mick, KB4UPI
>




Re: [Repeater-Builder] Hard times, hard place (or: Building a small repeater in Brazil)

2008-07-28 Thread wd8chl
Nate Duehr wrote:
> On Jul 27, 2008, at 3:05 PM, Dave Gomberg wrote:
> 
>> At 12:10 7/27/2008, Alexandre Souza wrote:
>>>"How to build a small group repeater in a very tight budget?"
>> Listening to all your restrictions, Alexandre, I would try to get
>> access to two towers at least a couple of kilometers (5-10km would be
>> even better) apart and put in a 1.2m or 70cm link between them.
> 
> Go with 70cm.  More hams in a financially troubled place are likely to  
> have "test gear" for 70cm in the form of dual-band radios.  If you  
> suspect a problem with a 1.2 GHz link, you're going to have to find  
> the "techies" with 1.2 GHz radios... if they even have them.  On 70cm,  
> more people will be able to help troubleshoot.
> 
>  From a "maintainability" standpoint, a 2m transmitter/70cm receiver  
> at one side, and a 2m receiver/70cm transmitter at another is very  
> easy to maintain.  A 70cm link between two sites is the way to go.
> 
> We ran our 6m repeater that way here for years, and people even found  
> the link frequencies and would talk on them if all they had was 70cm  
> gear, so they could reach their buddies on 6m.  The people doing this  
> understood that the link was on yagis, ran only exciter power from a  
> MASTR II on transmit, and not optimized for "user" access, and we  
> never had any complaints that the "70cm repeater" wasn't working well  
> enough for anyone.

Something a few people have done (to add to this) was to make the 6M 
receive end a full 70cm repeater, and the 6M tx end just listens to the 
output of the UHF repeater.


Re: [Repeater-Builder] 6 meter duplexer info wanted

2008-07-28 Thread k7pfj
HI Larry,

I agree with Joe, obtain the frequency before trying to get any equipment. Also 
here is a recomendation if you can work with two sites. There is a repeater in 
Oregon that has seperate sites for the receive and transmit. It works like no 
other. They are using the split sites to cut down on the loss and increase in 
isolation. The sites are about 1/2 mile away and using the microwave circut 
between both sites. On the receive they use 2 1/4 wave filters and 1 1/4 wave 
with a dual isolator at the other site. This works killer if you can split the 
sites.

Mike

-- Original message -- 
From: Joe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
The first thing you need to do is determine if you can even get a 6 
meter repeater frequency. Do this before you even start getting heavily 
invested in any equipment.

73, Joe, K1ike
53.41/52.41 MHZ PL 156.7
Montville, CT

n1miw wrote:
> Greetings to everyone here on the list! I am looking to build a 6
> meter repeater. I do not have the option for a split-site setup, so I
> will have to acquire a duplexer somehow. I was looking at buying a new
> duplexer, but they are just too expensive for the wallet (and the
> wife!). I thought about building the coax duplexers, but I dont have
> the test equipment to properly tune them with. I was wondering if
> someone here builds them for amateur use? Even better, does anyone
> have a spare duplexer they want to sell? any info would be
> appreciated. Thanks & 73... Larry
>
>
> 


 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Voice ID Talent

2008-07-28 Thread k4rjj







 

 If you find a good collection let me know.

 -- Original message from "Gerald Pelnar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: --














It hadn't dawned on me till now, that all of her voice 
recordings are out there somewhere.
 
Gerald Pelnar  WD0FYF
McPherson, Ks

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Ronny 
  Julian 
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 5:47 PM
  Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Voice ID 
  Talent
  Luckily the W4BOC club repeaters captured Jane Barbe before she 
  passed.  She was also a guest at a club meeting.  She introduced 
  herself from the back of the room on a wireless mic as I remember to a 
  standing ovation.  I'll have to see if CDs are available with her voice 
  to put together IDs.For those who don't know her and those who 
  remember her is a good sample.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94t4d-PlyAgRonny 
  K4RJJKris Kirby wrote: 
  On Sun, 27 Jul 2008, Rod Lane wrote:  
A few years ago I remember that a professional voice-over talent was doing on-request voice-over work (maybe was even a ham) with a price break for ham radio announcements.Not a ham, but who can resist a woman's voice on a repeater:http://www.digium.com/en/products/ivr/allisonsmith/--Kris Kirby, KE4AHR  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>But remember, with no superpowers comes no responsibility. 		--rlyYahoo! Groups Links<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/<*> Your email settings:Individual Email | Traditional<*> To change settings online go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/join(Yahoo! ID required)<*> To change settings via email:mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/   












Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Receiver for 6 meters

2008-07-28 Thread wd8chl
Tom reminded me-yes, the Mitrek makes a very good 6M rx as well, little 
to no mods.

Most rx mods involve front end helical work-needs a LARGE soldering iron 
or torch.


Tom wrote:
> If it were me, I'd be looking at a Motorola Mitrek, Micor or possibly
> even Motrac receiver.  The Motrac is an excellent receiver but the IF
> filter, called a "Permakay" is probably no longer available and could
> make a "doorstop" out of it if it fails, which used to be fairly
> common.  Motorola did claim a "lifetime" warranty for it but...; you
> know how that goes.  GE Mastr II or possibly Mastr Pro are good
> choices as well.  Seems as though a "trip" to eBay is in order.  You
> should be able to find most, if not all, of the above there, as well
> as some less common brands, if no one here makes any offers.
> Tom
> 
> 
> -- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "mickupi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I need a good receiver for our 6 meter repeater. It is on
>> 53.090/52.090. What would be a good radio to look for. Preferably
>> crystal controlled and easy to tune. I am not completely ruling out
>> programmable radios, it's just that they are not my preference. If you
>> have something you would part with I might be a buyer.
>> Thanks, Mick, KB4UPI
>>




Re: [Repeater-Builder] Receiver for 6 meters

2008-07-28 Thread wd8chl
mickupi wrote:
> I need a good receiver for our 6 meter repeater. It is on
> 53.090/52.090. What would be a good radio to look for. Preferably
> crystal controlled and easy to tune. I am not completely ruling out
> programmable radios, it's just that they are not my preference. If you
> have something you would part with I might be a buyer.
> Thanks, Mick, KB4UPI

It seems the best choice is probably a Mastr II in the 42-50 MHz split. 
They take little if any conversion (for 52.09, they will probably not 
need it). Just be careful-they made 3 splits: 30-36, 36-42, and 42-50. 
The lower splits need considerable mods to go up to 6.

I like Micors, but the low band rx's take a bit of modding to go up to 6.




Re: [Repeater-Builder] Receiver for 6 meters

2008-07-28 Thread Joe
I built up a GE Mastr II Auxiliary Receiver for the 53.09Mhz N1PAH 
repeater in Pelham, Mass quite a few years ago.  It was originally a UHF 
receiver, but I swapped out the boards from a mobile lowband MastrII.  
This is a stand-alone receiver in it's own rack mountable tray, some 
come with a built-in AC power supply.  It has performed flawlessly since 
it's installation.


I have also used a MastrII receiver in my 6 meter repeater on 53.41 for 
many years now.  I never had a problem with it.  It's older technology, 
replacement boards are cheap, and you can actually see the components 
(no surface mount). 


73, Joe, K1ike


mickupi wrote:

I need a good receiver for our 6 meter repeater. It is on
53.090/52.090. What would be a good radio to look for. Preferably
crystal controlled and easy to tune. I am not completely ruling out
programmable radios, it's just that they are not my preference. If you
have something you would part with I might be a buyer.
Thanks, Mick, KB4UPI
  




Re: [Repeater-Builder] 6 meter duplexer info wanted

2008-07-28 Thread Joe
The first thing you need to do is determine if you can even get a 6 
meter repeater frequency.  Do this before you even start getting heavily 
invested in any equipment.

73, Joe, K1ike
53.41/52.41 MHZ PL 156.7
Montville, CT

n1miw wrote:
>  Greetings to everyone here on the list! I am looking to build a 6
> meter repeater. I do not have the option for a split-site setup, so I
> will have to acquire a duplexer somehow. I was looking at buying a new
> duplexer, but they are just too expensive for the wallet (and the
> wife!). I thought about building the coax duplexers, but I dont have
> the test equipment to properly tune them with. I was wondering if
> someone here builds them for amateur use? Even better, does anyone
> have a spare duplexer they want to sell? any info would be
> appreciated. Thanks & 73... Larry
>
>
>   



[Repeater-Builder] Re: Receiver for 6 meters

2008-07-28 Thread Tom
I hope you're right.  I've got two Motran ("L" receivers) mobiles, one
150Mc and one 40 - 50 Mc.  The 40-50 was a spare and never put in
service, just sat in a police garage somewhere.  I would sure hate to
see those go.  Think I'll take your advice and start looking for a
couple of parts donors.
Tom


--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "JOHN MACKEY" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> Even if/when Permakay filters are no longer available from Motorola,
I think
> there will be enough old Motrac receivers laying around to steal
parts from.
> Anyone running Motrac gear would be wise to keep a few parts radios in
> storage.
> 
> The last time I had to replace a Permakay filter was for a HT-200 on 
> 6 meters in about 1993.  Motorola did supply me with a replacement
> filter free of charge.
> 
> My 6 meter repeater is built from GE Mastr Pro gear, which works well
> for me.
> 
> -- Original Message --
> Received: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:36:05 PM PDT
> From: "Tom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Receiver for 6 meters
> 
> > If it were me, I'd be looking at a Motorola Mitrek, Micor or possibly
> > even Motrac receiver.  The Motrac is an excellent receiver but the IF
> > filter, called a "Permakay" is probably no longer available and could
> > make a "doorstop" out of it if it fails, which used to be fairly
> > common.  Motorola did claim a "lifetime" warranty for it but...; you
> > know how that goes.  GE Mastr II or possibly Mastr Pro are good
> > choices as well.  Seems as though a "trip" to eBay is in order.  You
> > should be able to find most, if not all, of the above there, as well
> > as some less common brands, if no one here makes any offers.
> > Tom
> > 
> > 
> > -- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "mickupi"  wrote:
> > >
> > > I need a good receiver for our 6 meter repeater. It is on
> > > 53.090/52.090. What would be a good radio to look for. Preferably
> > > crystal controlled and easy to tune. I am not completely ruling out
> > > programmable radios, it's just that they are not my preference.
If you
> > > have something you would part with I might be a buyer.
> > > Thanks, Mick, KB4UPI
> > >
> > 
> > 
> >
>




Re: [Repeater-Builder] Voice ID Talent

2008-07-28 Thread Nate Duehr

On Jul 27, 2008, at 4:47 PM, Ronny Julian wrote:

> Luckily the W4BOC club repeaters captured Jane Barbe before she  
> passed.  She was also a guest at a club meeting.  She introduced  
> herself from the back of the room on a wireless mic as I remember to  
> a standing ovation.  I'll have to see if CDs are available with her  
> voice to put together IDs.
>
> For those who don't know her and those who remember her is a good  
> sample.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94t4d-PlyAg
> Ronny K4RJJ


Ahh, that reminds me...

I've always wanted to put this up as the default DTMF error message,  
but I'm too chicken!

http://www.natetech.com/files/DialingWand.wav

She sounds a lot like Jane, but not exactly the same.

--
Nate Duehr, WY0X
[EMAIL PROTECTED]





Re: [Repeater-Builder] Hard times, hard place (or: Building a small repeater in Brazil)

2008-07-28 Thread Nate Duehr

On Jul 27, 2008, at 3:05 PM, Dave Gomberg wrote:

> At 12:10 7/27/2008, Alexandre Souza wrote:
>>"How to build a small group repeater in a very tight budget?"
>
> Listening to all your restrictions, Alexandre, I would try to get
> access to two towers at least a couple of kilometers (5-10km would be
> even better) apart and put in a 1.2m or 70cm link between them.

Go with 70cm.  More hams in a financially troubled place are likely to  
have "test gear" for 70cm in the form of dual-band radios.  If you  
suspect a problem with a 1.2 GHz link, you're going to have to find  
the "techies" with 1.2 GHz radios... if they even have them.  On 70cm,  
more people will be able to help troubleshoot.

 From a "maintainability" standpoint, a 2m transmitter/70cm receiver  
at one side, and a 2m receiver/70cm transmitter at another is very  
easy to maintain.  A 70cm link between two sites is the way to go.

We ran our 6m repeater that way here for years, and people even found  
the link frequencies and would talk on them if all they had was 70cm  
gear, so they could reach their buddies on 6m.  The people doing this  
understood that the link was on yagis, ran only exciter power from a  
MASTR II on transmit, and not optimized for "user" access, and we  
never had any complaints that the "70cm repeater" wasn't working well  
enough for anyone.

The only reason we switched it to a "traditional" duplexed 6m machine  
was that our lease came up for renewal at one of the sites, and having  
the extra antenna there for the low number of users wasn't fair or  
cost-effective to the rest of the club's members -- we also had a 6m  
duplexer already in storage.  So it made financial sense to change it.

--
Nate Duehr, WY0X
[EMAIL PROTECTED]





Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Receiver for 6 meters

2008-07-28 Thread JOHN MACKEY
Even if/when Permakay filters are no longer available from Motorola, I think
there will be enough old Motrac receivers laying around to steal parts from.
Anyone running Motrac gear would be wise to keep a few parts radios in
storage.

The last time I had to replace a Permakay filter was for a HT-200 on 
6 meters in about 1993.  Motorola did supply me with a replacement
filter free of charge.

My 6 meter repeater is built from GE Mastr Pro gear, which works well
for me.

-- Original Message --
Received: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:36:05 PM PDT
From: "Tom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Receiver for 6 meters

> If it were me, I'd be looking at a Motorola Mitrek, Micor or possibly
> even Motrac receiver.  The Motrac is an excellent receiver but the IF
> filter, called a "Permakay" is probably no longer available and could
> make a "doorstop" out of it if it fails, which used to be fairly
> common.  Motorola did claim a "lifetime" warranty for it but...; you
> know how that goes.  GE Mastr II or possibly Mastr Pro are good
> choices as well.  Seems as though a "trip" to eBay is in order.  You
> should be able to find most, if not all, of the above there, as well
> as some less common brands, if no one here makes any offers.
> Tom
> 
> 
> -- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "mickupi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > I need a good receiver for our 6 meter repeater. It is on
> > 53.090/52.090. What would be a good radio to look for. Preferably
> > crystal controlled and easy to tune. I am not completely ruling out
> > programmable radios, it's just that they are not my preference. If you
> > have something you would part with I might be a buyer.
> > Thanks, Mick, KB4UPI
> >
> 
> 
> 





[Repeater-Builder] Re: mryan001 and others - was "TEST"

2008-07-28 Thread Mike Morris WA6ILQ
At 02:33 PM 07/26/08, you wrote:
>This is a test message. I joined this wonderful group but my 
>messages have been deemed fit for posting it appears.   -Mike

All new list members are placed on moderation
automatically - this is to prevent spammers
from using the yahoogroups list servers from
distributing their droppings. I'm sure that all of
you have enough offers to fix your credit score,
to provide pharmaceuticals, and to provide
"enlargement".

I have been out of town for several days (dropped
off one repeater and picked up four others and two
duplexers in two cities while driving 800+ miles),
and not checking my email at all (had over 1200
waiting for me, over 1000 which were junk or spam).
I was counting on the other moderators to check
for and approve any pending list postings.

I just now checked the pending mail folder and
found 10 messages, and approved 8 of them, three
of which were from Mr. Ryan (two were spam
droppings).

Unfortunately, until someone cures the spam
problem we will not be able to run an open list,
and any postings from new members will be
delayed until the owner or one of the moderators
logs in and approves it.

My personal rule is to remove any licensed ham
from moderation with his first posting. Others I wait
until the second or third posting. Unfortunately not
every persons yahoo ID or first posting has a
callsign in it.

BTW this list has one owner and 8 moderators.

The method seems to work - the proof is this:
how many spam messages have you seen on
this list in the last five years?

Mike WA6ILQ



[Repeater-Builder] Re: mryan001 and others - was "TEST"

2008-07-28 Thread Mike Morris WA6ILQ
At 02:33 PM 07/26/08, you wrote:
>This is a test message. I joined this wonderful group but my 
>messages have been deemed fit for posting it appears.   -Mike

All new list members are placed on moderation
automatically - this is to prevent spammers
from using the yahoogroups list servers from
distributing their droppings. I'm sure that all of
you have enough offers to fix your credit score,
to provide pharmaceuticals, and to provide
"enlargement".

I have been out of town for several days (dropped
off one repeater and picked up four others and two
duplexers in two cities while driving 800+ miles),
and not checking my email at all (had over 1200
waiting for me, over 1000 which were junk or spam).
I was counting on the other moderators to check
for and approve any pending list postings.

I just now checked the pending mail folder and
found 10 messages, and approved 8 of them, three
of which were from Mr. Ryan (two were spam
droppings).

Unfortunately, until someone cures the spam
problem we will not be able to run an open list,
and any postings from new members will be
delayed until the owner or one of the moderators
logs in and approves it.

My personal rule is to remove any licensed ham
from moderation with his first posting. Others I wait
until the second or third posting. Unfortunately not
every persons yahoo ID or first posting has a
callsign in it.

BTW this list has one owner and 8 moderators.

The method seems to work - the proof is this:
how many spam messages have you seen on
this list in the last five years?

Mike WA6ILQ