[Repeater-Builder] Re: GMRS HT recommendation?
Something to keep in mind, is that the GP68 [and their chinese clones] are not legal to use on anything other than ham in the US. And, because it's also illegal to import them, they may be seized by Customs, with no recourse. WalterH --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Scott Yeager kd0...@... wrote: I have a few Motorola GP68 FPP Radios I got from China/Ebay. They're great little radios and around 70$ shipped each. Have both UHF and VHF models. http://cgi.ebay.com/Motorola-GP68-UHF-430-470MHz-2-Way-Radio-Accessories_W0QQitemZ170368673788QQcmdZViewItemQQptZ2_Way_Radios_FRS?hash=item27aac3a7fc_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 The battery they come with isn't very good and its NiCd.. They won't last half a day with constant talking, But you can get Nickle-metal extended batts off ebay for cheap. -Scott SNIP
[Repeater-Builder] Sinclair R2B12 duplexer
Does anyone have technical info (i.e. tech drawings) or inside pics of these duplexers? I wonder how they do the shortening as there can't be a 1/4 wave resonator for 2m inside this 19 box... Regards Martin
[Repeater-Builder] Re: NEUTEC-PACE-RANGER SM-1645
--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, skipp025 skipp...@... wrote: Hola de nuevo a usted. Tengo la información que usted necesita en mi Web page. La información está en inglés solamente, apesadumbrado. Hay dos diversos libros de la información a transferir. Cada libro tiene un archivo de la transferencia directa y una página de la descripción. Usted ve la página de la descripción solamente en el Web page del Internet. Aquí está la localización de la información del Web page. El libro de servicio, parte 1. http://www.radiowrench.com/sonic/neutec1.pdf parte 2. http://www.radiowrench.com/sonic/neutec2.pdf Usted tiene que reprogramar el chip de memoria. Usted necesita el equipo reprogramar el chip de memoria. Información para hacer un nuevo chip de ordenador. http://www.radiowrench.com/sonic/eprom.zip buena suerte a usted. skipp gustav_gall gustav_gall@ wrote: Saludos desde Venezuela..!! estoy byscando toda la informacion del Ranger SM-1645 el software y el programador del 2716.. yo tengo el programador de forma artesanal osea fabricado por mi... pero necesito el software.. agradeciendo alguna informacion..!! Gtacias amigo skipp ahora me falta el soft..!!
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: GMRS HT recommendation?
Here's a question I've not been sure about: If a radio isn't Part 15 registered, is it even legal for ham use? If we build our own or heavily modify, that's one thing, but I think if it's a commercial product, it still has to meet FCC Part 15 doesn't it? On Aug 8, 2009, at 1:18 AM, ka1jfy wrote: Something to keep in mind, is that the GP68 [and their chinese clones] are not legal to use on anything other than ham in the US. And, because it's also illegal to import them, they may be seized by Customs, with no recourse. WalterH --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Scott Yeager kd0...@... wrote: I have a few Motorola GP68 FPP Radios I got from China/Ebay. They're great little radios and around 70$ shipped each. Have both UHF and VHF models. http://cgi.ebay.com/Motorola-GP68-UHF-430-470MHz-2-Way-Radio-Accessories_W0QQitemZ170368673788QQcmdZViewItemQQptZ2_Way_Radios_FRS?hash=item27aac3a7fc_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 The battery they come with isn't very good and its NiCd.. They won't last half a day with constant talking, But you can get Nickle-metal extended batts off ebay for cheap. -Scott SNIP
[Repeater-Builder] recommendations on a good bandpass filter
Hello Folks Would like to see what people are buying these days and see what is recommended as I am in need of the following I need a band pass filter for uhf would like 430 to 450 but will consider 440 to 450. Would like to see what is out there I am missing Thanks Joe Landers Ke4eue
[Repeater-Builder] MSF5k Second receiver, SAM, DTMF questions
I have several MSF's, and am familiar with the radio. I am not familiar with the Second receiver option, and have acquired one on UHF. How is this programmed, and can I put a SSCB on it? Second, does anyone have experience setting up a SAM? I have been tinkering, but it is so functional, I got lost Third, does anyone have experience programming the DTMF board? I have one, but am not able to find any info. Thanks in advance, Brian KE6IYC
RE: [Repeater-Builder] recommendations on a good bandpass filter
Joe, I have two commercial UHF MTR2000 repeaters to each of which I have added a Telewave TWPC-4508-2 bandpass cavity filter comprising two 8 cavities. Both also have Angle Linear preamps followed by 6 dB attenuators to make up for the 1 dB or so loss in the filter and improve the sensitivity of the receiver. One repeater is about 150 feet away from an FAA ARSR-4 radar installation, and I wanted to be certain that so much power (at a much higher frequency, of course) would not desense the receiver. There are more than a dozen Government VHF and UHF radios at that site, but my repeater doesn't seem to be bothered at all. Telewave also makes 10 bandpass cavities, but a pair of them will not fit side-by-side in a standard 19 cabinet, so I chose two 8 cans. You can see similar filters here, except that the TWPC-4508-2 is not shown: www.telewave.com/pdf/TWDS-5018.pdf Bear in mind that a bandpass filter may be tunable over the 430-450 MHz range, but once tuned to a specific frequency will pass only a very narrow band, just a few tens of kHz wide. If you really want to pass a 20 MHz wide band, then you should use a preselector rather than a bandpass filter. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joe Landers Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 11:44 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] recommendations on a good bandpass filter Hello Folks, Would like to see what people are buying these days and see what is recommended as I am in need of the following. I need a band pass filter for uhf would like 430 to 450 but will consider 440 to 450. Would like to see what is out there I am missing Thanks Joe Landers Ke4eue
[Repeater-Builder] Arcom RC-210 for sale
The Nixa ARC now has a surplus Arcom RC-210 up for sale. Asking $275.00 shipped. E-mail me off list if you are interested, or call 417-840-5261. 73, -- James Adkins, KB0NHX Vice-President -- Nixa Amateur Radio Club, Inc. (KC0LUN) Southern Missouri Frequency Coordinator - Missouri Repeater Council www.nixahams.net The Nixa Amateur Radio Club - There is no charge for awesomeness! (Well, only $1.00 per month)
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Arcom Controller
This controller also had the factory rack mount enclosure in this deal Sent from my iPod On Aug 8, 2009, at 4:14 PM, Martin A Flynn mafl...@att.net wrote: Jim, Couple pf questions: Is this a Kit or the factory version? What housing? Do you take paypal? Martin The Nixa ARC now has a surplus Arcom RC-210 up for sale. Asking $275.00 shipped. E-mail me off list if you are interested, or call 417-840-5261. 73, -- James Adkins, KB0NHX Vice-President -- Nixa Amateur Radio Club, Inc. (KC0LUN) Southern Missouri Frequency Coordinator - Missouri Repeater Council www.nixahams.net http://www.nixahams.net The Nixa Amateur Radio Club - There is no charge for awesomeness! (Well, only $1.00 per month)
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: GMRS HT recommendation?
Walter, Part 15 covers unlicensed operation. As a ham, you're licensed under the terms of Part 97, which has specific rules for emissions types and purity. (97.305 and 97.307 in particular.) If you buy a commercial product not already certified to comply, and were ever accused of, say, spurious tranmitter radiation, you would need to be able to demonstrate to the FCC the means you used to determine its compliance, just as with homebrew gear. The test equipment needed is not in most hamshacks these days. But it could be done. A really confusing development in recent years is ham equipment which has come with Part 15 stickers on it. I have to assume that the stickers were a well-meaning attempt by manufacturers to cover their butts regarding the microprocessors used in running modern gear, and not the 10 mW cloning signals, since Part 15 operation is not authorized in the ham bands, regardless how low the power. 73, Paul, AE4KR - Original Message - From: Cort Buffington To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 8:38 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: GMRS HT recommendation? Here's a question I've not been sure about: If a radio isn't Part 15 registered, is it even legal for ham use? If we build our own or heavily modify, that's one thing, but I think if it's a commercial product, it still has to meet FCC Part 15 doesn't it? .
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Narrow banding question
Yes, I realize it effects only UHF and VHF users. Maybe I was unclear with my question. Is is ALL VHF and UHF users? I was under the impression it was only the upper UHF trunked systems and the like. But maybe I was confused. Will many users have to dump their older radios and have to upgrade? I was wondering what surplus equipment might be coming onto the market due to the changes. If you have seen posts from me before, I am interested in Motorola Genesis related radio gear. I was curious if there might be a flood of it on the market in the near future. Thanks --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, william...@... wrote: Narrow banding only affects VHF and UHF users. bb In a message dated 8/6/2009 3:28:03 P.M. Central Daylight Time, hitekgearh...@... writes: I have a question relating to the upcoming narrowbanding I have been hearing about as it relates to surplus equipment. Does the narrowbanding effect just 700, 800, 900MHz trunked systems? Or is it across the board, including all commercial VHF and UHF users? I was just curious as to what surplus equipment might be available in the near future as a result. Thanks Yahoo! Groups Links
[Repeater-Builder] Pacific Research RI-210 wanted
Looking for one or more RI-210 (VXR-5000 internal mount) to purchase or trade for other VXR-5000-relevant hardware. (I even have an RI-310 I could part with) I'd be willing to take it with a 430-450 band or 2m-band VXR-5000, but I'd prefer just the controller(s). Matthew Kaufman matt...@matthew.at http://www.wb6ece.org
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Narrow banding question
Albert, This depends on the service. Public Safety and Business Radio services are affected. Amateur Radio and GMRS are not - at this time. (IIRC) I would certainly expect to see a glut of non-narrowband compatible equipment enter the surplus market soon... Mark - N9WYS -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of Albert Yes, I realize it effects only UHF and VHF users. Maybe I was unclear with my question. Is is ALL VHF and UHF users? I was under the impression it was only the upper UHF trunked systems and the like. But maybe I was confused. Will many users have to dump their older radios and have to upgrade? I was wondering what surplus equipment might be coming onto the market due to the changes. If you have seen posts from me before, I am interested in Motorola Genesis related radio gear. I was curious if there might be a flood of it on the market in the near future. Thanks
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Narrow banding question
All true. However, I daresay that most of the non-convertible equipment has already been taken out of service, long ago. At least in my area, most users of high-tier equipment like Spectra, TK-990, and CDM radios are replacing them because they are getting long in the tooth- and these radios are already narrow-band compliant. Dual-bandwidth equipment first came on the market more than a decade ago. My gut feeling is that operators of large radio fleets will use the narrow-banding deadline as a convenient time to replace the entire fleet at once, not because of the narrow-banding requirement per se, but because they must re-program every radio, base station, and repeater they own and do it with minimum disruption. When you have 2,000 radios, it can take a week or more to reprogram the fleet. If you use the deadline as an opportunity to put new radios into service, you buy your 2,000 new radios a month in advance and program and bench-test all of them on the narrow-band channels. Just before the day you pick to make the changeover, you deliver new radios and chargers to all users, with instructions to start using the new radios on Monday morning. The radio techs will ensure that the base stations and/or repeaters are either reprogrammed or replaced just prior to that day. If well-planned, this will work. Obviously, users with many mobile radios will need to allow extra time for replacing them. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of N9WYS Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 3:36 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Narrow banding question Albert, This depends on the service. Public Safety and Business Radio services are affected. Amateur Radio and GMRS are not - at this time. (IIRC) I would certainly expect to see a glut of non-narrowband compatible equipment enter the surplus market soon... Mark - N9WYS -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of Albert Yes, I realize it effects only UHF and VHF users. Maybe I was unclear with my question. Is is ALL VHF and UHF users? I was under the impression it was only the upper UHF trunked systems and the like. But maybe I was confused. Will many users have to dump their older radios and have to upgrade? I was wondering what surplus equipment might be coming onto the market due to the changes. If you have seen posts from me before, I am interested in Motorola Genesis related radio gear. I was curious if there might be a flood of it on the market in the near future. Thanks
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Narrow banding question
In Southern California under SCRRBA, we're already semi-narrowbanding in the 70cm / 440mHz band to 20kHz per channel/frequency. IIRC, FRS and by extension GMRS is already 12.5kHz. On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 3:36 PM, N9WYSn9...@ameritech.net wrote: Albert, This depends on the service. Public Safety and Business Radio services are affected. Amateur Radio and GMRS are not - at this time. (IIRC) I would certainly expect to see a glut of non-narrowband compatible equipment enter the surplus market soon... Mark - N9WYS -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of Albert Yes, I realize it effects only UHF and VHF users. Maybe I was unclear with my question. Is is ALL VHF and UHF users? I was under the impression it was only the upper UHF trunked systems and the like. But maybe I was confused. Will many users have to dump their older radios and have to upgrade? I was wondering what surplus equipment might be coming onto the market due to the changes. If you have seen posts from me before, I am interested in Motorola Genesis related radio gear. I was curious if there might be a flood of it on the market in the near future. Thanks Yahoo! Groups Links
[Repeater-Builder] 2M Vertical Dipoles
I remember seeing a vertical dipole from one on the amateur antenna manufacturers that was designed to bolt onto your mast or tower leg. I think it might have come in a kit of 2 or 4. I thought it was Cushcraft, but I couldn't find it. Does anyone have any idea what antenna I thought I saw? Thanks, Doug K4AC
Re: [Repeater-Builder] 2M Vertical Dipoles
Cushcraft used to have that antenna. Since discontinued. Regards de W1EL Eric Lowell Eastern Maine Electronics Inc. 48 Loon Road Wesley ME 04686 eme@starband.net www.satnetmaine.com --- On Sat, 8/8/09, Doug Rehman d...@k4ac.com wrote: From: Doug Rehman d...@k4ac.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] 2M Vertical Dipoles To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, August 8, 2009, 10:11 PM I remember seeing a vertical dipole from one on the amateur antenna manufacturers that was designed to bolt onto your mast or tower leg. I think it might have come in a kit of 2 or 4. I thought it was Cushcraft, but I couldn't find it. Does anyone have any idea what antenna I thought I saw? Thanks, Doug K4AC
Re: [Repeater-Builder] 2M Vertical Dipoles
Cushcraft made a 4-pole array for 2-meters and for 440. Neither were particularly good antennas. They were gamma-fed dipoles with a connector that was nearly impossible to weatherproof. Lots better antennas out there. Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - From: Doug Rehman d...@k4ac.com To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 10:11 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] 2M Vertical Dipoles I remember seeing a vertical dipole from one on the amateur antenna manufacturers that was designed to bolt onto your mast or tower leg. I think it might have come in a kit of 2 or 4. I thought it was Cushcraft, but I couldn't find it. Does anyone have any idea what antenna I thought I saw? Thanks, Doug K4AC Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [Repeater-Builder] 2M Vertical Dipoles
Thanks for the info on Cushcraft, although I thought I'd run across the antenna I'm remembering within the last couple of months (current production). I'm looking for something that I can mount on the mast of my home tower, interwoven between other antennas on the mast. (Obviously with appropriate spacing from anything that would seriously interact. Not looking to spend either copious amounts of money buying a commercial antenna or copious amounts of time building something from scratch.) Doug K4AC
RE: [Repeater-Builder] 2M Vertical Dipoles
I recently installed a Telewave ANT-150-D single dipole on a side mast for a link radio. It works perfectly. This is a commercial-quality, heavy-duty antenna that covers 138-174 MHz. Info here: www.telewave.com/pdf/TWDS-7045.pdf Disclaimer: Although I frequently mention Telewave as a source for RF products, I do so only as a satisfied customer. I have no financial connection to the company. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Kelsey Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 7:19 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] 2M Vertical Dipoles Cushcraft made a 4-pole array for 2-meters and for 440. Neither were particularly good antennas. They were gamma-fed dipoles with a connector that was nearly impossible to weatherproof. Lots better antennas out there. Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - From: Doug Rehman d...@k4ac.com mailto:doug%40k4ac.com To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 10:11 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] 2M Vertical Dipoles I remember seeing a vertical dipole from one on the amateur antenna manufacturers that was designed to bolt onto your mast or tower leg. I think it might have come in a kit of 2 or 4. I thought it was Cushcraft, but I couldn't find it. Does anyone have any idea what antenna I thought I saw? Thanks, Doug K4AC Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [Repeater-Builder] 2M Vertical Dipoles
FYI, MFJ just purchased the Cushcraft antenna line. Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - From: Doug Rehman d...@k4ac.com To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 10:31 PM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] 2M Vertical Dipoles Thanks for the info on Cushcraft, although I thought I'd run across the antenna I'm remembering within the last couple of months (current production). I'm looking for something that I can mount on the mast of my home tower, interwoven between other antennas on the mast. (Obviously with appropriate spacing from anything that would seriously interact. Not looking to spend either copious amounts of money buying a commercial antenna or copious amounts of time building something from scratch.) Doug K4AC Yahoo! Groups Links
[Repeater-Builder] New file uploaded to Repeater-Builder
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] 2M Vertical Dipoles
I've got experience with both their single ANT450D (single) and ANT450D6-9 (quad) UHF dipoles. I absolutely love them. I also frequently promote Telewave and have zero pecuniary interest in the company. In my experience their products are just awesome and the support is almost unbelievably good. I only believe it because I pinched myself and was awake during those conversations with folks at Telewave :) On Aug 8, 2009, at 9:34 PM, Eric Lemmon wrote: I recently installed a Telewave ANT-150-D single dipole on a side mast for a link radio. It works perfectly. This is a commercial-quality, heavy- duty antenna that covers 138-174 MHz. Info here: www.telewave.com/pdf/TWDS-7045.pdf Disclaimer: Although I frequently mention Telewave as a source for RF products, I do so only as a satisfied customer. I have no financial connection to the company. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Kelsey Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 7:19 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] 2M Vertical Dipoles Cushcraft made a 4-pole array for 2-meters and for 440. Neither were particularly good antennas. They were gamma-fed dipoles with a connector that was nearly impossible to weatherproof. Lots better antennas out there. Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - From: Doug Rehman d...@k4ac.com mailto:doug%40k4ac.com To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 10:11 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] 2M Vertical Dipoles I remember seeing a vertical dipole from one on the amateur antenna manufacturers that was designed to bolt onto your mast or tower leg. I think it might have come in a kit of 2 or 4. I thought it was Cushcraft, but I couldn't find it. Does anyone have any idea what antenna I thought I saw? Thanks, Doug K4AC Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [Repeater-Builder] 2M Vertical Dipoles
Do you recall if it was a dipole or folded dipole? Edmund Leavitt Ph:253 582-5034 Ham / MARS / Federal K7EFL / AFA0AH / KPS654 Lakewood, WA USNG: 10TET36292223 On Sat, 8 Aug 2009 22:11:52 -0400 Doug Rehman d...@k4ac.com writes: I remember seeing a vertical dipole from one on the amateur antenna manufacturers that was designed to bolt onto your mast or tower leg. I think it might have come in a kit of 2 or 4. I thought it was Cushcraft, but I couldn't find it. Does anyone have any idea what antenna I thought I saw? Thanks, Doug K4AC You have a right to seek justice! Click here to find experienced lawyers across the USA. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTOhjXagBI3wM1CfEenB4r9FkfTVzx0f1z5NEPhxxFnIBYiZWd5jck/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Narrow banding question
As have many other parts of the country - to 12.5 kHz on 440. But, when you say narrowbanding, are you talking the actual users switching from NBFM (16.0 kHz BW) to SNFM (11.0 kHz BW) or are you just talking about the bandplan going from 25.0 kHz channels to 20.0 kHz channels and everyone is still using NBFM as they have for the past nearly 40 years? Joe M. Brian Raker wrote: In Southern California under SCRRBA, we're already semi-narrowbanding in the 70cm / 440mHz band to 20kHz per channel/frequency. IIRC, FRS and by extension GMRS is already 12.5kHz.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Narrow banding question
No, not all VHF/UHF, only the segments 136-512 MHz, and in those segments only the FCC Part 90 users (Public Safety, Business, Industrial, Etc.) Joe M. Albert wrote: Yes, I realize it effects only UHF and VHF users. Maybe I was unclear with my question. Is is ALL VHF and UHF users? I was under the impression it was only the upper UHF trunked systems and the like. But maybe I was confused. Will many users have to dump their older radios and have to upgrade? I was wondering what surplus equipment might be coming onto the market due to the changes. If you have seen posts from me before, I am interested in Motorola Genesis related radio gear. I was curious if there might be a flood of it on the market in the near future. Thanks --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, william...@... wrote: Narrow banding only affects VHF and UHF users. bb In a message dated 8/6/2009 3:28:03 P.M. Central Daylight Time, hitekgearh...@... writes: I have a question relating to the upcoming narrowbanding I have been hearing about as it relates to surplus equipment. Does the narrowbanding effect just 700, 800, 900MHz trunked systems? Or is it across the board, including all commercial VHF and UHF users? I was just curious as to what surplus equipment might be available in the near future as a result. Thanks Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.387 / Virus Database: 270.13.38/2274 - Release Date: 07/31/09 05:58:00
Re: [Repeater-Builder] 2M Vertical Dipoles
I'm sure someone on *this* list will be able to correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you can mount virtually any of the dipole type antennas on the tower leg as long as you're not looking for a 360 pattern. An offset or figure-8 pattern, though, no problem. In fact, I've done this for commercial users, and in some cases such as Low Band dipoles, that's the only way to can mount them. You might even be able to get away with it mounting one on each leg for a 360 pattern (with a little more gain in one direction for a 4-bay antenna), but your gain would be messed up since the signal would then be out of phase for each element in any given direction. Joe M. Doug Rehman wrote: I remember seeing a vertical dipole from one on the amateur antenna manufacturers that was designed to bolt onto your mast or tower leg. I think it might have come in a kit of 2 or 4. I thought it was Cushcraft, but I couldn't find it. Does anyone have any idea what antenna I thought I saw? Thanks, Doug K4AC Yahoo! Groups Links Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.387 / Virus Database: 270.13.38/2274 - Release Date: 07/31/09 05:58:00