Re: [Repeater-Builder] DB 268 harness

2008-09-13 Thread N0ATH
 Hello Larry - I reckon you didn't
 get any answers because maybe
 every one like myself didn't know
 the answer - I have oft wondered 
 about this myself - I have had a
 DB-224 for years- bought it new and
 have had problems off and on for 
 years with it - I have wondered if you
 drilled thru where the goo is installed 
 at the obvious connection point and
 ripped the innards out - How would
 you know that they cleared? It seems
 it wouldn't show on an ohm meter,
 a loop open is still shorted, right?
 I don't have an answer yet but I am 
 still waiting on the answer that maybe
 some one will give you - concerning an
 earlier post - Does that make me a troll?
 Is that what a person that reads but 
 doesn't post much is called? Dave / NØATH

- Original Message - 
From: Larry Wagoner 
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 12:39 PM
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] DB 268 harness


I sent this question recently and saw no responses - so I'll try again ...

I have a DB 268 antenna - a 4-bay VHF dipole.
It has the harness interior to the mast.

I want to know if it is possible to replace that harness with an 
exterior one - like the DB 224 has.

If so - any ideas on the process?

Larry Wagoner - N5WLW


 











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Re: [Repeater-Builder] MSR2000 DPL

2008-08-18 Thread N0ATH
Cort - If you have no other luck you may contact me direct 
about the card - I may have one - I have two - near new -
MSR 2000 that I know very little about - 
NØATH Dave
- Original Message - 
From: Cort Buffington 
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:39 AM
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] MSR2000 DPL


Repeater Builders,

Please, nobody laugh me out of the room... What are my chances of 
finding an MSR2000 DPL (TARB, duplex) card in somebody's junk box out 
there?

73 DE N0MJS

--
Cort Buffington
H: +1-785-838-3034
M: +1-785-865-7206



 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Scanner as repeater receiver?OT OT OT

2008-08-17 Thread N0ATH
OT - I just had to try and write in one little issue that any 
one attempting to use a scanner as a receiver should be 
aware of - I am not going to use any names or calls and 
if asked I will just say I was lying - A friend of mine worked 
for a very large FM broadcast station - there link receiver (an
expensive little unit ) died for what reason I don't remember,
and another friend and mutual acquaintance had a Rad Shak
2006 modded?? I think that is right that would receive 800 mhz
and all sorts of wild places - So with a slight amount of ingenuity
and in no time flat they had 1000+ foot stick re lit and broadcasting
again, all but the stereo wasn't there on your stereo receiver. Whether
they got a new link receiver or fixed the old one I don't remember but,
the two are coming back to the main studio from the remote site, happy
with there temporary fix, and I ask them What is going to happen to it
when the power blinks for a split second? It is going to start scanning 
and you are going to be rebroadcasting all the sheriffs, cell, commercial,
just whoever was in that multi channel receiver - at 1000+ feet with a 
25,000 watt transmitter into a 6 db I think antenna with 3.5 inch heliax -
They made a very hasty U-turn and beat it back to the station. Reprogrammed
all of the receive frequencies the same and it worked quite well for a 
couple of weeks until the regular receiver was fixed - 
Just thought I should mention another of the possibles involved -
Thanks for the indulgence -
NØATH / Dave
- Original Message - 
From: skipp025 
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 6:15 PM
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Scanner as repeater receiver?


I posted the following reply to the group on Aug. 13th 
and it doesn't appear on the group (although Jeff received 
my email direct). Here it is again to the group... 

Re: Re: Scanner as repeater receiver?

Hi Jeff,

There are some conditions where a scanner receiver could be
modified for use in repeater and base station applications.

First you can throw away the label/word quality... it's all
about the actual circuit design and construction of the scanner
in question.

Scanners as a general rule are very, very, very wide frequency
range receivers with very modest/light/non existent front-end
protection, which often leads to other problems you don't 
normally run into with true communications grade receivers.



Some scanners have pretty much the exact same back-end circuit
design (with minor differences) as kit communications receivers 
made and sold for repeater operation. Let me try to quickly talk 
about one common example.

Some older crystal controlled scanners make semi fair repeater 
receiver candidates with the following considerations:

1. The receiver front-end (pre-selection) should be improved. 
In most cases the receiver front-end is not usable as-is/found.
There are also cases where the antenna input jack is not a true
50 ohm antenna port. The more practical fix is improve the receiver
front end protect with an additional filter or seriously modify 
any usable original circuit. High-Q Helical front-end circuits 
are/were made and sold, which do work for the cause. I used to 
like and use the HRA units sold by Hamtronics, but they no longer 
offer that exact product. Still the HRA Preamp Pre-selector Manual 
is available on the Hamtronics web-site if you want to see an 
example.

2. The receiver IF Filter might be wider than the best value for 
your application. 

If the scanner IF filter (often referred to as the Crystal Filter 
but not always a crystal type device) is really a generic/default 
wide value chosen for typical consumer grade scanner operation.
You/I/we can often replace the stock IF Filter with much improved
after-market IF Filter products sold by Comm-Spec and other sources.

3. The Squelch circuit might not be the best operational situation
for your application.

Scanner receivers more often than not have a very mushy consumer
grade squelch circuit, which is sometimes easily modified with
a common parts value changes. Since many scanners and some
communications receivers have similar trailing circuits... it's
not hard to find a very similar squelch circuit layout to
copy into your application.

4. You would need to tap into the receiver to obtain audio
sources and usable COS/COR logic levels. Not hard and that 
information is available as mentioned just above. The IF and 
Audio Sections of a receiver are fairly easy to deal with 
when you have a circuit diagram in hand and the resources 
of this group available to help you.

5. Some synthesized (programmable) Scanners might not have a
stable enough VCO operation for use as a serious receiver. You
could often hear hum, warble, noise and Selection D (all the
above) in the recovered audio. Once again since many scanners 
and some communications receivers have similar circuits, it's 
not super hard to find a comparable VCO layout/circuit to help 

Re: [Repeater-Builder]SCOM 7330 Question

2008-08-06 Thread N0ATH
I would like to find some info on this 7330 - 
is there a web site with it or do you have a 
direct email addy Ken?
NØATH
Dave
- Original Message - 
From: Ken Arck 
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 5:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder]SCOM 7330 Question


Ok Jim.

I have to say I find that hard to believe as every single 210 that is purchased 
assembled  tested is tested on all 3 Ports for proper operations. If lands 
were missing, it would have never left here. Unless your friend purchased a kit 
in which case we have no control over its construction, so who knows what may 
have happened there.

But fair enough. Good luck with your endeavors and hope your project goes 
smoothly

Ken



At 03:05 PM 8/6/2008, Jim Brown wrote:



  One last comment Ken, and I won't pester you any more.  If a partial trade 
would be for an RC-210, I am afraid I am not interested.  I got the RC-110 that 
I have from a friend who was anxious to get a repeater on the air and rather 
than mess with the RC-110, which was not working, he bought an RC-210.  When he 
hooked the RC-210 up he found LANDS MISSING on one of the ports for the audio.  
It was not just a bad etch, the lands had never been there so far as he could 
determine.  That sure does not speak well of the Quality Assurance for the 
RC-210 product.

  I hate to bring all this up, but once bit - twice shy is my motto.

  73 - Jim  W5ZIT

  --- On Wed, 8/6/08, Ken Arck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

From: Ken Arck [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder]SCOM 7330 Question

To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com

Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 3:11 PM


Let's take this offlist. Perhaps we can work something out that is workable 
for us both (for example, might you  be interested in us taking the 110 back in 
partial trade?)


Ken



At 01:04 PM 8/6/2008, Jim Brown wrote:


  Ken, my problem is that when a company sells me something that turns out 
to be totally useless and then fails to offer any solution or compensation, it 
is hard for me to have any confidence in their products.


  I attempted to join the RC-110 Yahoo group twice and both times I was 
refused entry by the moderator.  I thought there I might be able to find out 
what some other folks were doing to solve the problems.


  I understand that some technical problems are difficult if not impossible 
to fix, and that the microprocessor chosen for the RC-110 was a bad choice, but 
I don't understand the attitude of 'you bought it - now go live with it'.  That 
just does not instill any confidence in that companys products.


  Sorry - but that is my feeling.


  73 - Jim W5ZIT


  --- On Wed, 8/6/08, Ken Arck [EMAIL PROTECTED] net wrote: 
From: Ken Arck [EMAIL PROTECTED] net 
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] SCOM 7330 Question 
To: Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com 
Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 11:29 AM

At 08:28 AM 8/6/2008, Jim Brown wrote:

I have a commercial application to monitor the battery status and 
charge current at a solar site and asked for information on 
controllers that would allow me to monitor these parameters by 
requesting a voice readback. I was immediately answered by Ken Arch 
(sp?) and another RC-210 owner with info on the RC-210 
capabilitys. As the proud owner of an Arcom RC-110 with it's total 
lack of support, I am a bit leary of going that road again.

---Hi Jim. I can assure you that support for the RC210 is not only 
readily available, most of our customers tell us it is exemplary. And 
while true that we no longer support the RC110 (what happened there 
is we are totally unable to obtain support for the CPU system which 
effectively killed the 110), RC210 is available not only from us but 
from the RC210 mail list in Yahoogroups. With literally hundreds and 
hundreds of RC210s in use around the entire world, support is quite 
good from our users as well. 
Ken 
 - - - - - - 
President and CTO - Arcom Communications 
Makers of repeater controllers and accessories. 
http://www.arcomcon trollers. com/ 
Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave and 
we offer complete repeater packages! 
AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000 
http://www.irlp. net 
We don't just make 'em. We use 'em!

  ___ 






--
President and CTO - Arcom Communications
Makers of repeater controllers and accessories.
http://www.arcomcontrollers.com/
Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave and
we offer complete repeater packages!
AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000
http://www.irlp.net 
We don't just make 'em. We use 'em!

 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] How to remove Scotch Kote

2008-07-22 Thread N0ATH
Hello Scott - I had to reply - I drove a tractor trailer rig
until retirement and had my head underneath a trailer
thousands of times - normally always with a cap with the 
company logo on it. Let me tell you there is nothing much
nastier than 5th wheel grease - I got a gob of this on my cap
and then got into my pickup that has this late model fuzzy 
interior and I rubbed this cap around on the light gray fuzzy
headliner all the way home one night - I mean I really ground 
it in too. We have here an Orange spray cleaner made by ZEP
and it is normally only found around commercial installations.
I held a paper towel behind the area  sprayed and it completely
washed this area clean right back to original appearance when 
dry - It was awesome - I thought the headliner was ruined but 
after drying you couldn't even tell where it had ever been stained.
There must be something to that Orange cleaner.
73 Dave / NØATH
Sorry about the lack of repeater connection on my post -

- Original Message - 
From: Scott Zimmerman 
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 6:57 PM
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] How to remove Scotch Kote


Awhile back, I had asked this list for ideas on how to remove Scotch Kote 
weather proofing. I was at an auto detailing place today and just happened 
to ask them their opinion on the matter. The woman pulled out a liquid in a 
spray bottle and gave the dried puddle a few squirts. She waited a minute or 
so, and sprayed the area again. After waiting a few more minutes, she gave 
another spray and started to brush the area with a stiff bristle brush. Sure 
enough the scotch cote started to come loose from the carpet.

I then asked her to try the spot on the seat. Sure enough, same results.

The spray was called 'California orange':
http://www.prowax.com/1prod_bulls/C-66pb8_8_07.pdf
At almost $80 per gallon, it's a bit pricey.

Here is a version in a spray can:
http://www.prowax.com/1prod_bulls/ACO_660pb8_8_07.pdf
It's a bit more reasonable at $15 per can, but it's not available in all 
states due to environmental restrictions.

There you go. Of course, the best plan is not to spill the stuff. If you do 
though, this stuff might help you out.

Good Luck,
Scott

Scott Zimmerman
Amateur Radio Call N3XCC
474 Barnett Rd
Boswell, PA 15531



 
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Re: Re: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: PL Problem

2008-07-20 Thread N0ATH
Ooops!
- Original Message - 
From: Jeff DePolo 
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 10:55 PM
Subject: RE: Re: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: PL Problem


I'll probably get down there before they finish. They don't need me there
to put the dish together - I would just be standing there watching anyway.
Once they're done we'll have to do the alignment, configure the receiver,
finish the wiring up, etc. Is Mel done with whatever he has to do to
automate the log? 

 -Original Message-
 From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Plack
 Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 4:49 PM
 To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: Re: Re: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: PL Problem
 
 ? 
 Guys, this is nothing more than really low-frequency DTMF. It 
 should work fine if the levels are low enough that they're 
 not clipped or otherwise distorted. In a non-linear stage, 
 they'll cause audio intermodulation distortion.
 
 If the combined voice + CTCSS level hits the limits of a 
 clipper for a long enough duration, (like the guys who feel 
 the need to key their mics before thinking of what they'll 
 say, and fill with u...) you could drop the 
 receiver if the audio distortion confuses the CTCSS decoder. 
 But that could happen with a single tione, too.
 
 73,
 Paul, AE4KR
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Ron Wright mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
 mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 1:10 PM
 Subject: Re: Re: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: PL Problem
 
 
 John,
 
 I've wondered about multi-PL tones at one time.
 
 I am sure with the older reeds not a problem, but newer 
 IC type usually take in the PL, strip off the higher freq 
 audio leaving only the PL and then feed to a pin that I am 
 sure is counting the period or doing some period averaging. 
 The Comm Spec TS64 has to be this way for they use a 6800 
 ventage CPU for their decoder.
 
 If 2 PLs were present this would have a wierd wave form 
 and bet might not decode. I've never tried it, but would be 
 interesting to try.
 
 I have used multi-PLs on a single rcvr for control and 
 other purposes, but never at the same time.
 
 73, ron, n9ee/r
 
 From: JOHN MACKEY [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:jmackey%40usa.net 
 Date: 2008/07/20 Sun PM 02:58:29 EDT
 To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
 mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com 
 Subject: Re: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: PL Problem
 
  
 You are correct, a good rig will have a PL filter so 
 you don't hear it. But
 many of these newer Yae-com-wood radios don't seem to 
 have adequate
 filtering.
 
 So I try to run my repeater PL tone at about 450 Hz, 
 which has worked well.
 
 I know that 15 years ago I set up a GE Mastr Pro 
 repeater with dual PL
 encoding on the transmitter for a special project. I 
 put each (comm-spec) PL
 encoder at 350 Hz deviation and every decoder was able 
 to lock up. Two PL
 tones deviating at 350Hz each gave me about 750 Hz PL 
 deviation on the
 repeater transmitter. I had to build a filter network 
 to roll off the sum of
 the PL tones; 100 Hz and 146.2 Hz wanted to produce a 
 third PL tone. So I
 built a filter network which started to roll off every 
 thing above 200 Hz
 before it went in to the modulator stage.
 
 I do remember testing with various decoders and found 
 that going below 300 Hz
 PL deviation made decoding unreliable.
 
 -- Original Message --
 Received: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 11:47:12 AM PDT
 From: Ron Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 mailto:mccrpt%40verizon.net 
 To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
 mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com 
 Subject: Re: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: PL Problem
 
  A good rig has a PL filter so you don't hear it, but 
 know it comes thru on
 some rigs. Does sound annoying when it does.
  
  Also need to remove from the repeater receiver for 
 it might beat with the tx
 generated PL due to it being slightly different 
 freq/phase. Most rigs will
 not pass low freq PL thru their audio input. This is 
 why most rigs have
 seperate input for PL encode.
  
  73, ron, n9ee/r
  
  
  
  From: JOHN MACKEY [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 mailto:jmackey%40usa.net 
  Date: 2008/07/20 Sun PM 02:37:13 EDT
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
 mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com 
  Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: PL Problem
  
   
  I set all my repeaters for 450 Hz to 550 hz and 
 have never had a problem
 with
  listeners being able to decode. 
  
  so something in the range that David suggests below 
 should be fine.
  
  I know some people who think PL level should be set 
 at 750 hz to 900 hz. 
 In
  my opinion, that is way to high, and it is annoying 
 to hear the PL tone
 which
  can be done at those levels.
  
  -- Original Message --
  Received: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 06:45:05 AM PDT
  From: David Murman [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 mailto:dmurman%40verizon.net 
  To: 

[Repeater-Builder] MSR 2000

2008-07-08 Thread N0ATH
Hello Gentlemen; 
I recently acquired a pair of MSR 2000 100 watt
repeaters that are on 160 mhz. I am not very well 
acquainted with the Motorola gear although every
one assures me they are far superior to the Mastr II 
gear I am presently using - My question is, can the 
160 mhz units be moved to 146 with out a lot of 
trouble or at all? These are operational units, one is
new and one used - If they cannot handily be moved
to the amateur freq then are they of very much value
or I guess I should ask, is there any demand for them?
Thanks / NØATH Dave


Re: [Repeater-Builder] Reasonably low wind load antenna

2008-06-24 Thread N0ATH
Hello Gentlemen - I used a pair of Ringo ranger
II's some years ago and can possibly help with
your decision - The Ringo has a very limited life 
at heights much greater than say maybe 50 feet -
I have seen them on roof mounts and push up 
poles that were up for maybe 20 years and always 
worked fine according to their owners - however,
at heights approaching 100 feet and greater they 
are beat to pieces in a few short years by Mother 
Nature - I am sure there will be exceptions due to
environments but for the greater part they will come
down either in pieces or to be replaced by a more
commercial type antenna - Actually the same will
hold true for the fibersticks - there is enough flex
and movement in the amateur products that they 
also will generate noise from loose or stretched 
wires internally that they at best will only hold up
at great heights for just a few years - the higher and 
harder it is to get to your antenna for maintenance
the more chance it is going to need it sooner - Put
up the best one the clubs finances can possible be
stretched to and you will end up spending the least
in the in the long term. And you will have the least 
repeater problems to aggravate your blood pressure.
I might also draw more return fire by saying anything
less than a DB-224 is going to cause you loss of sleep
in years to come - just an old man's opinion. YMMV
73 and Gud Luk de NØATH, Dave


- Original Message - 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 11:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Reasonably low wind load antenna


At 6/23/2008 19:28, you wrote:

Folks

We're moving a VHF amateur repeater to a 96' Trylon self supporting 
tower. The overwhelming opinion is that our current 210C4 four bay folded 
dipole would be too much of a weight and wind load for that tower.

One comment has been the Ringo Ranger.

In a word, yuk!

 The wind load of the Cushcraft Ringo Ranger II ARX2B 
 http://cushcraft.com/comm/support/pdf/RINGOS%20AR2%206%2010%20ARX450%20220B%202B.pdf
  
 is 0.5 square feet. The windload of the Sinclar SD214 
 http://www.sinclairtechnologies.com/catalog/resources/pdf/SD214-HF2P3LDF(D00S-LSABK)-DI.pdf
  
 (newer model to 210C4) is 5.57 square feet. Although the ice area is 
 17.04 sq ft. The SD214 has a dbd gain of 7.2, dbi of 9.3. The Ringo 
 Ranger has dbi gain of 7.0.

Inflated gain figure: the antenna isn't long enough to make that much gain.

If you want low wind loading, you probably can't beat the Comet or Diamond 
antennas. Only problem is the high gain versions (GP9/X500HNA) are going 
to bend a lot in high winds. Haven't noticed a problem out here, but then 
again we don't often get winds  50 MPH.

Bob NO6B



 






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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: software repeater controller

2008-06-18 Thread N0ATH
Remember em? I am still using em! Dave / NØATH
- Original Message - 
From: jistabout 
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 2:15 PM
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: software repeater controller


--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Alexandre Souza alexandre-
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  For multiple audio ports these days I'd recommend using USB audio
  devices. ISA slots are way gone and PCI slots aren't far behind. 
For
  an embedded PC controlling radios 24/7 you want something small, 
quiet
  and low power, most form factors that fit that description usually
  have few if any PCI slots.
 
 A PC controlling a repeater?!?!?! What is the problem of using 
a small 
 microcontroller, with some BASIC programming???
 
 You are using a cannon to kill a microbe he he he


Not at all. Using a PC to control a repeater as complex as the system 
here with remotes etc. is a perfectly logical choice and allows 
nearly unlimited flexability.

The original controller on the system here back in the mid 1980s was 
a Commodore VIC-20 :). Any young'ens remember those?

- Darrell/KA7BTV



 






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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Can anyone identify this old antenna?

2008-06-14 Thread N0ATH
I also had one on 152 mhz and it was a Celwave -
We stretched it a bit and it is still being used at
a friends house in Windsor MO. on a 2 meter 
repeater 15 years later - Dave / NØATH
- Original Message - 
From: Thomas Oliver 
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 10:42 PM
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Can anyone identify this old antenna?


Celwave? I picked up a set of 4 new folded dipoles that look like those at
Dayton one year and they had a Celwave tag on them.

tom n8ies

 [Original Message]
 From: ve3iqzz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
 Date: 6/13/2008 10:35:55 PM
 Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Can anyone identify this old antenna?

 This antenna was used for the old Bell Mobile Phone system on about
 153 MHz. It was damaged by lightning and replaced. There is no
 identification on it.
 There are pictures in the Photos section, Unknown Antenna 
 http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/photos/browse/4fbe 
 The harness is made of RG8, RG11, and RG83. There are photos of the
 cable to cable connections also.
 Can anyone identify this old 1970's antenna?


 



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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: antenna suggestions for 440mhz

2008-06-07 Thread N0ATH
Hello Mark - I wondering at what height your antenna is mounted?
Or going to be mounted - Dave / NØATH
- Original Message - 
From: n9wys 
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 11:17 AM
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: antenna suggestions for 440mhz


Thanks Gary. 

I was looking for more of a generic answer along the lines of, As you
move down in frequency, electrical downtilt . (Enter INCREASES or
DECREASES here as necessary -- if this is the case.) 

I am also wondering if 20MHz on the receive is far enough off to cause a
problem. Remember, this stick is within 1 MHz of the bottom of its range on
TRANSMIT, and well below it on Receive. So this is why I ask about adverse
effects.

Not that I'm thinking of scrapping it, but I'm just trying to figure out why
I didn't gain the receive sensitivity/coverage I thought I would with the
added gain. With all this talk about downtilt... if that is what is
happening here, that would explain why I'm experiencing what I am on
receive.

Or am I worrying about gremlins??

Mark -N9WYS

-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of Gary Glaenzer
Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 10:30 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: antenna suggestions for 440mhz

down-tilt is specified when ordering the unit

other than the original paperwork, the only method would be to have it
tested on a test range

and that would probably cost more than ordering a new one

Gary

- Original Message - 
From: n9wys
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 10:22 AM
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: antenna suggestions for 440mhz

In fear of moving off topic... I'd like to ask how one can determine the
electrical downtilt of an antenna?

I just put into service a RSF/Celwave Super StationmasterR Model 10017-6
that is designed for 925-960 MHz on my 927.5250 repeater. The added gain
factor of the antenna (an additional 4dBd over what was previously in place
- a Decibel DB586-Y) does not seem to benefit the receive (at 902 MHz). I
gained what seems like a little extra receive range, but not equal to what I
seem to have gained in transmit coverage.

This discussion thread leads me to wonder if maybe some electrical downtilt
may be affecting the receive frequency? Is this possible? Antennas are not
my strong point. ;-)

Thanks,
Mark - N9WYS



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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Crystals

2008-06-03 Thread N0ATH
One chance in very many here - What freq
crystals are you needing? I have a set for a
new Kendecom that I sold and kept the crystals
as they were wrong for the new buyer - these are
International - Dave / NØATH
You can have them for the postage if I can find them
and they would work for you - 146.325R / 146.925T
73
- Original Message - 
From: Mike Besemer (WM4B) 
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 6:24 PM
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Crystals



I might be looking to recrystal a Kendecom Mark 4.  Is ICM still the best place 
to go for xtals?  What's a good set running these days?

Mike

WM4B