Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Motorola Quantar 2M & UHF Repeater Ordering Questions

[Brian Raker]

A Chatsworth cabinet with doors (and proper ventilation) will, however :P

-Brian

On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 7:48 PM, Kris Kirby  wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Jan 2010, Nate Duehr wrote:
>> All of our MASTR II's are racked in nice new non-GE cabinets at most
>> of the club sites, and no one thinks they look "old".  A little damp
>> towel and wiping the dust off once in a while goes a long way too.
>
> A MastrII only looks old because the housing is stereotypical
> 1930s-1950s engineering: form follows function, and strong to boot!
>
> A Chatsworth rack isn't going to make it any prettier.
>
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> Kris Kirby, KE4AHR
> Disinformation Analyst
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Motorola Quantar 2M & UHF Repeater Ordering Questions

[Kris Kirby]

On Fri, 22 Jan 2010, Nate Duehr wrote:
> All of our MASTR II's are racked in nice new non-GE cabinets at most 
> of the club sites, and no one thinks they look "old".  A little damp 
> towel and wiping the dust off once in a while goes a long way too.

A MastrII only looks old because the housing is stereotypical 
1930s-1950s engineering: form follows function, and strong to boot!

A Chatsworth rack isn't going to make it any prettier.

--
Kris Kirby, KE4AHR
Disinformation Analyst

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Motorola Quantar 2M & UHF Repeater Ordering Questions

[Nate Duehr]

On 1/22/2010 11:00 AM, wd8chl wrote:


> --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
, "larryjspamme...@..."

 wrote:
>> Our site owner wants us to upgrade our old Motorola MICOR 2-Meter
>> and UHF ham Repeaters to something much newer. We're looking at
>> replacing them with something like new Motorola Quantar repeaters,
>> which will also save us some floor space - we should be able to
>> mount all of them in one open rack. The people paying for these
>> want to make sure they have any future needed features like P25
>> capability, etc.

Frankly, I would likely tell him to go pound salt. He needs a RALY
good reason to force you to change out perfectly good equipment.
Interference issues are about the only legit reason. Hams are NOT
subject to the narrowbanding requirements of business and public safety
users, so that doesn't hold water.
I would say unless your current equipment is defective and causing
interference, f he really want you to upgrade, he should fork over most
of the money.

WD8CHL



Yeah, I meant to make a similar comment.  I would have at least asked 
him, "What's wrong with them?"


If it's all about the looks they're getting from his smarty-pants 
customers in the same space (lots of assumptions here) or even he just 
doesn't like how they look, offer to re-rack them in modern computer 
racks with solid doors.  If he has a legitimate technical beef, I'd be 
surprised.


Of course, he who has the land, makes the rules... at the end of the 
day.  All of the above would have been asked RESPECTFULLY by Yours 
Truly, if I were in the same situation.


All of our MASTR II's are racked in nice new non-GE cabinets at most of 
the club sites, and no one thinks they look "old".  A little damp towel 
and wiping the dust off once in a while goes a long way too.


Seriously...

Nate WY0X

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Motorola Quantar 2M & UHF Repeater Ordering Questions

[Nate Duehr]

On 1/22/2010 8:46 AM, k7...@skybeam.com wrote:


If your not wanting to do P25 the Master 3 is a good repeater but my 
vote would be a Quantar or MTR2000. cant get much better than that.



Why do you not recommend the MASTR III in P25 service, Mike?

The newer ones do it with the appropriate cards.  There were some early 
ones that needed modifications, I thought.


The P25 option wasn't anywhere near being CHEAP though...

Nate WY0X

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Motorola Quantar 2M & UHF Repeater Ordering Questions

[TGundo 2003]

> 
> Frankly, I would likely tell him to go pound salt. He needs
> a RALY 
> good reason to force you to change out perfectly good
> equipment. 


I was thinking the same thing. Did they give you a reason they wanted you to 
change? A properly set up Micor is as good and clean as anything new out there, 
and in some respects can argue better. Is it a power consumption issue? Maybe 
you can agree to settle on replacing just the Micor power supply (I am assuming 
that's what you have in there) with a new more efficient good quality switch 
mode?

Tom
W9SRV


  

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Motorola Quantar 2M & UHF Repeater Ordering Questions

[wd8chl]

k7...@skybeam.com wrote:
> Hi Larry and Joe,
> 
>  
> 
> If your not wanting to do P25 the Master 3 is a good repeater but my vote
> would be a Quantar or MTR2000. cant get much better than that.
> 

The newer vintage MIII's can do P25. Look for the ones with DSP audio 
processing...I'm not sure if ALL of those can do it, but certainly any 
made in the last 5 years I think will. Just a feature option upgrade.

WD8CHL

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Motorola Quantar 2M & UHF Repeater Ordering Questions

[wd8chl]

  > --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "larryjspamme...@..."
 wrote:
>> Our site owner wants us to upgrade our old Motorola MICOR 2-Meter
>> and UHF ham Repeaters to something much newer. We're looking at
>> replacing them with something like new Motorola Quantar repeaters,
>> which will also save us some floor space - we should be able to
>> mount all of them in one open rack. The people paying for these
>> want to make sure they have any future needed features like P25
>> capability, etc.

Frankly, I would likely tell him to go pound salt. He needs a RALY 
good reason to force you to change out perfectly good equipment. 
Interference issues are about the only legit reason. Hams are NOT 
subject to the narrowbanding requirements of business and public safety 
users, so that doesn't hold water.
I would say unless your current equipment is defective and causing 
interference, f he really want you to upgrade, he should fork over most 
of the money.

WD8CHL

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Motorola Quantar 2M & UHF Repeater Ordering Questions

[k7pfj]

Hi Larry and Joe,

 

If your not wanting to do P25 the Master 3 is a good repeater but my vote
would be a Quantar or MTR2000. cant get much better than that.

 

 

Mike Mullarkey K7PFJ

6886 Sage Ave

Firestone, Co 80504

303-954-9695 Home

303-954-9693 Home Office & Fax

303-718-8052 Cellular

 

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From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of burkleoj
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 9:37 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Motorola Quantar 2M & UHF Repeater Ordering
Questions

 

  

Larry,
You know how much I love Motorola and especially the Micor radio series.

But...

I think if I were in your position and it was OK with the site owners, I
would look real seriously at the Mastr III units. Very nice equipment and
still factory supported. These are showing up for under $1000 on the open
market.

Just my .02 cents worth.

Joe - WA7JAW

PS. I would not be surprised if the MTR2000 units with the optional front
end filter would not work very well for you also for all 4 boxes.

--- In Repeater-Builder@ <mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com, "larryjspamme...@..."  wrote:
>
> Our site owner wants us to upgrade our old Motorola MICOR 2-Meter and UHF
ham Repeaters to something much newer. We're looking at replacing them with
something like new Motorola Quantar repeaters, which will also save us some
floor space - we should be able to mount all of them in one open rack. The
people paying for these want to make sure they have any future needed
features like P25 capability, etc. 
> 
> We need a 2-Meter Repeater, two - UHF (440-450 MHz range) Repeaters, and
one - link (420-430 MHz range) station. The 2-Meter and 440 Repeaters don't
need duplexers, since they'll be on some transmit combiner/receive
multicoupler systems. The 420 MHz unit needs to be full duplex, and it will
be using a duplexer feeding its own dedicated link yagi antenna. Maybe a
Quantar isn't necessary for the 420 MHz link repeater - an MTR-2000 (or
MTR-3000) would be sufficient.
> 
> Has anyone here on the list put together a similar order, and might have
all of the necessary model numbers, option numbers, etc? I've looked at some
of the on-line brochures, but it would be nice to verify with someone who
has been through this excercise already.
> 
> Thanks,
> LJ
>

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Motorola Quantar 2M & UHF Repeater Ordering Questions

[burkleoj]

Larry,
You know how much I love Motorola and especially the Micor radio series.

But...

I think if I were in your position and it was OK with the site owners, I would 
look real seriously at the Mastr III units. Very nice equipment and still 
factory supported. These are showing up for under $1000 on the open market.

Just my .02 cents worth.

Joe - WA7JAW

PS. I would not be surprised if the MTR2000 units with the optional front end 
filter would not work very well for you also for all 4 boxes.


--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "larryjspamme...@..."  
wrote:
>
> Our site owner wants us to upgrade our old Motorola MICOR 2-Meter and UHF ham 
> Repeaters to something much newer. We're looking at replacing them with 
> something like new Motorola Quantar repeaters, which will also save us some 
> floor space - we should be able to mount all of them in one open rack. The 
> people paying for these want to make sure they have any future needed 
> features like P25 capability, etc. 
> 
> We need a 2-Meter Repeater, two - UHF (440-450 MHz range) Repeaters, and one 
> - link (420-430 MHz range) station. The 2-Meter and 440 Repeaters don't need 
> duplexers, since they'll be on some transmit combiner/receive multicoupler 
> systems. The 420 MHz unit needs to be full duplex, and it will be using a 
> duplexer feeding its own dedicated link yagi antenna. Maybe a Quantar isn't 
> necessary for the 420 MHz link repeater - an MTR-2000 (or MTR-3000) would be 
> sufficient.
> 
> Has anyone here on the list put together a similar order, and might have all 
> of the necessary model numbers, option numbers, etc? I've looked at some of 
> the on-line brochures, but it would be nice to verify with someone who has 
> been through this excercise already.
> 
> Thanks,
> LJ
>

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Motorola Quantar 2M & UHF Repeater Ordering Questions

[nj902]

Three Quantars and an MTR are likely to cost you something in the neighborhood 
of $50,000.00.

You would normally purchase these items from a Motorola dealer.  Ask your 
account rep to get you the Motorola product planner documents.  These will 
explain the options and ordering configurations.

I would suggest that you spend a little extra and order the enhanced wildcard 
option on the Quantar stations because it adds a great deal of flexibility to 
your control capability.

If you are not connecting the repeaters to a third party repeater controller, 
you could consider ordering the Station Access Module option [SAM].  

The SAM option installs a control decoder in the Quantar station.  The decoder 
can be configured to respond to MDC or DTMF signals.  In addition to 
controlling the station in which it is installed, you can have the decoder 
drive station wildcard outputs which you could cross-connect to corresponding 
wildcard inputs on one or more other stations, thereby providing complete 
supervisory control over all the stations at that site.

If you are going to set the system up for P25 / analog mixed mode operation, 
you could order a DIU3000 for each repeater so equipped. The DIU contains a 
VOCODER so you can interface an analog audio path to a digital capable station. 
The DIU can then be connected to a third party repeater controller, back to 
back with another station or a link radio.  

Adding 3 DIU's to your order could put you over $75,000.00.

--

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "larryjspamme...@..."  
wrote:
>
> Our site owner wants us to upgrade our old Motorola MICOR 2-Meter and UHF ham 
> Repeaters to something much newer. We're looking at replacing them with 
> something like new Motorola Quantar repeaters, which will also save us some 
> floor space - we should be able to mount all of them in one open rack. The 
> people paying for these want to make sure they have any future needed 
> features like P25 capability, etc. 
> 
> We need a 2-Meter Repeater, two - UHF (440-450 MHz range) Repeaters, and one 
> - link (420-430 MHz range) station. The 2-Meter and 440 Repeaters don't need 
> duplexers, since they'll be on some transmit combiner/receive multicoupler 
> systems. The 420 MHz unit needs to be full duplex, and it will be using a 
> duplexer feeding its own dedicated link yagi antenna. Maybe a Quantar isn't 
> necessary for the 420 MHz link repeater - an MTR-2000 (or MTR-3000) would be 
> sufficient.
> 
> Has anyone here on the list put together a similar order, and might have all 
> of the necessary model numbers, option numbers, etc? I've looked at some of 
> the on-line brochures, but it would be nice to verify with someone who has 
> been through this excercise already.
> 
> Thanks,
> LJ
>