Re: [Repeater-Builder] TKR-850 Series I Interface Question
At 05:41 PM 4/21/2010, midcom.audio wrote: > > >I'm attempting to update an existing repeater system that currently >uses a Hall voter in tandem with a ComSpec TP-38 CTCSS repeater tone >panel. The replacement RF deck is a Kenwood TKR-850 Series I. The >previous RF deck was a KSG-4500, operating in a plain, dumb, >duplexed TX / RX mode with no internal controller, PL decode, etc. I >used the ComSpec TP-38 in the repeat audio path following the Hall >voted audio to handle PL encode-decode, TOT, carrier delay/squelch tail, etc. > >Reading from the Repeater-Builder site, I came across the following >comment regarding use of an 850: "If you are using an external >controller you set it to "duplex base" mode, with COR on Aux out #1 >and TOR (tone decode) on Aux out #2." > >I would very much like to eliminate the need for the TP-38 external >CTCSS unit if at all possible, instead utilizing the TKR-850's >INTERNAL PL encode/decode capabilities, carrier delay, CW ID, etc. >My questions is: If I program the 850 from "repeater" into "duplex" >operation, do I lose all those features normally found in "repeater" >mode, rendering the 850 back to a "dumb" radio like its predecessor? >Assuming those features DO remain, how does one "break" the normal, >internal repeat audio path, since it will be necessary to route >local receiver audio out to the Hall voter for comparator operation? <---Bottom line Mike is yes. You retain all the features (multitable, etc) when the TKR is programmed for duplex operation and you let an external controller do its thing. Ken -- President and CTO - Arcom Communications Makers of repeater controllers and accessories. http://www.arcomcontrollers.com/ Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave and we offer complete repeater packages! AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000 http://www.irlp.net "We don't just make 'em. We use 'em!"
[Repeater-Builder] TKR-850 Series I Interface Question
I'm attempting to update an existing repeater system that currently uses a Hall voter in tandem with a ComSpec TP-38 CTCSS repeater tone panel. The replacement RF deck is a Kenwood TKR-850 Series I. The previous RF deck was a KSG-4500, operating in a plain, dumb, duplexed TX / RX mode with no internal controller, PL decode, etc. I used the ComSpec TP-38 in the repeat audio path following the Hall voted audio to handle PL encode-decode, TOT, carrier delay/squelch tail, etc. Reading from the Repeater-Builder site, I came across the following comment regarding use of an 850: "If you are using an external controller you set it to "duplex base" mode, with COR on Aux out #1 and TOR (tone decode) on Aux out #2." I would very much like to eliminate the need for the TP-38 external CTCSS unit if at all possible, instead utilizing the TKR-850's INTERNAL PL encode/decode capabilities, carrier delay, CW ID, etc. My questions is: If I program the 850 from "repeater" into "duplex" operation, do I lose all those features normally found in "repeater" mode, rendering the 850 back to a "dumb" radio like its predecessor? Assuming those features DO remain, how does one "break" the normal, internal repeat audio path, since it will be necessary to route local receiver audio out to the Hall voter for comparator operation? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Mike Simpson MIDCOM, Inc.
RE: [Repeater-Builder] TKR-850 final
Rick, If your repeater is a version 1.0 it is covered under the recall service bulletin they came out several years back. All you would have to do is take it to a Kenwood service shop and they could fix it or send it to Kenwood and they will fix it as well. Mike Mullarkey K7PFJ 6886 Sage Ave Firestone, Co 80504 303-954-9695 Home 303-954-9693 Home Office & Fax 303-718-8052 Cellular _ From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of rickcdll Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 10:23 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] TKR-850 final In need of a final board for the TKR-850. Have called everyone. Nobody has it in stock. Mine is a X45-36310. Am told the replacement is X45-374-10 but doesnt come with the FET's and a few other parts. Anyone have or know where I can get this board and parts quickey? Have a Ham repeater going thru coordination right now and dont want to loose the freq pair. Thanks Rick WU8S rickcaudill@ <mailto:rickcaudill%40fuse.net> fuse.net No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.420 / Virus Database: 270.14.3/2411 - Release Date: 10/04/09 18:42:00
[Repeater-Builder] TKR-850 final
In need of a final board for the TKR-850. Have called everyone. Nobody has it in stock. Mine is a X45-36310. Am told the replacement is X45-374-10 but doesnt come with the FET's and a few other parts. Anyone have or know where I can get this board and parts quickey? Have a Ham repeater going thru coordination right now and dont want to loose the freq pair. Thanks Rick WU8S rickcaud...@fuse.net
Re: [Repeater-Builder] TKR-850 or TKR-750 ?
Hi Shane, The two main differnaces between the V1 & V2 repeaters are yes the DTMF control. I think the main differnace is that the new V2 repeaters have a two stage final amp and the V1 repeaters hace a three stage amp. Both repeaters can operate as a standalone repeater but the V2 can be controlled. There are some other options that the V2 can do but the main differance is the DTMF. Mike K7PFJ -- Original message -- From: "Shane Autrey KI4M" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I have searched the archives to no avail so here goes. Could someone tell me the primary differences between the Version 1 TKR-850 KPG-66D software repeater and the Version 2 TKR-850 KPG-91D software repeater? I am particularly interested in the difference between DTMF over the air commands using the internal controller. In other words; can the original Version 1 software machines be used without an external controller for ham use? I would only need the basic functions to be controlled.. i.e. turn pl on or off, turn repeater on or off, and of course have it send a cw id... no courtesy tone needed. Will the version 1 internal controller be capable of these functions or only the later version 2 firmware internal controller I am aware of the PA issues etc but can't find a good source showing the differences between the units having the different firmware. Thanks and 73 de Shane KI4M
[Repeater-Builder] TKR-850 or TKR-750 ?
I have searched the archives to no avail so here goes. Could someone tell me the primary differences between the Version 1 TKR-850 KPG-66D software repeater and the Version 2 TKR-850 KPG-91D software repeater? I am particularly interested in the difference between DTMF over the air commands using the internal controller. In other words; can the original Version 1 software machines be used without an external controller for ham use? I would only need the basic functions to be controlled.. i.e. turn pl on or off, turn repeater on or off, and of course have it send a cw id... no courtesy tone needed. Will the version 1 internal controller be capable of these functions or only the later version 2 firmware internal controller I am aware of the PA issues etc but can't find a good source showing the differences between the units having the different firmware. Thanks and 73 de Shane KI4M
Re: [Repeater-Builder] TKR-850 PL on COS
It's towers not tower on the address so send to [EMAIL PROTECTED] this should work for you with the right address 73, Russ - Original Message - From: Phil Hebert To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 9:13 AM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] TKR-850 PL on COS - The following addresses had permanent fatal errors - <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - Transcript of session follows - ... while talking to air-xn04.mail.aol.com.: >>> RCPT To:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <<< 550 MAILBOX NOT FOUND 550 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>... User unknown -Original Message-From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of RussSent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 7:19 AMTo: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] TKR-850 PL on COS If you write to Dean or Kathy over at Cook they have a sheet they send out that tells you how to hook up a controller to the Kenwood TKR repeaters that works well. I used it on all 4 of my repeaters. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) I think they can just e-mail it to you they are real good about this stuff. They help every one. Very best of 73, Russ, W3CH Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] TKR-850 PL on COS
At 07:21 AM 6/9/2005 -0400, you wrote: >The pin is TOR or tone on receive. (pin-24)To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] TKR-850 PL on COS
- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors - <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - Transcript of session follows - ... while talking to air-xn04.mail.aol.com.: >>> RCPT To:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <<< 550 MAILBOX NOT FOUND 550 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>... User unknown -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Russ Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 7:19 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] TKR-850 PL on COS If you write to Dean or Kathy over at Cook they have a sheet they send out that tells you how to hook up a controller to the Kenwood TKR repeaters that works well. I used it on all 4 of my repeaters. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) I think they can just e-mail it to you they are real good about this stuff. They help every one. Very best of 73, Russ, W3CH Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] TKR-850 PL on COS
If you write to Dean or Kathy over at Cook they have a sheet they send out that tells you how to hook up a controller to the Kenwood TKR repeaters that works well. I used it on all 4 of my repeaters. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) I think they can just e-mail it to you they are real good about this stuff. They help every one. Very best of 73, Russ, W3CH - Original Message - From: Richard D. Reese To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 10:55 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] TKR-850 PL on COS I have a TKR-850 that is hooked to an external controller (Link Comm. RLC-3) and I want to have CTCSS on COR. Anyone know where to connect to mute the sub-audible tone generated in the TKR-850? I would like to retain the internal CTCSS. It currently encodes continuously and see no programming ability to do anything but continuously or none at all..I have the service manual but thought someone could save me some time and effort locating the spot.Thanks in advance. Richard D. Reesehttp://www.wa8dbw.ifip.com Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] TKR-850 PL on COS
The pin is TOR or tone on receive. (pin-24) - Original Message - From: "Ken Arck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 12:09 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] TKR-850 PL on COS > At 08:44 PM 6/8/2005 -0700, you wrote: > > Look in the software :optional features,AUX inputs; there is Aux In pins > that you program diferent actions, program one for QT/DQT encode > enable/disable and control it with one of the output lines of the RLC-3 > > <---Sorry but that won't work. Kenwood's CTCSS is done in DSP and, even in > Version 2 repeaters, you cannot change the encode status while the > transmitter is active. In other words, you can allow or disallow encode > only at the beginning of that transmission. > > Kinda sucks actually... the way around this is to use an external encoder > and not to program any CTCSS (QT) encode within the Kenwood at all. Then > you can feed the external encoder's output into pin 8 (the Tx Data input) > of the DB25 on the back. You can then control that external decoder with > whatever... > > Ken > > -- > President and CTO - Arcom Communications > Makers of state-of-the-art repeater controllers and accessories. > http://www.ah6le.net/arcom/index.html > It was great to meet many of you at Dayton 2005! > We offer complete Kenwood TKR repeater packages! > AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000 > http://www.irlp.net > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] TKR-850 PL on COS
At 08:44 PM 6/8/2005 -0700, you wrote: Look in the software :optional features,AUX inputs; there is Aux In pins that you program diferent actions, program one for QT/DQT encode enable/disable and control it with one of the output lines of the RLC-3 <---Sorry but that won't work. Kenwood's CTCSS is done in DSP and, even in Version 2 repeaters, you cannot change the encode status while the transmitter is active. In other words, you can allow or disallow encode only at the beginning of that transmission. Kinda sucks actually... the way around this is to use an external encoder and not to program any CTCSS (QT) encode within the Kenwood at all. Then you can feed the external encoder's output into pin 8 (the Tx Data input) of the DB25 on the back. You can then control that external decoder with whatever... Ken -- President and CTO - Arcom Communications Makers of state-of-the-art repeater controllers and accessories. http://www.ah6le.net/arcom/index.html It was great to meet many of you at Dayton 2005! We offer complete Kenwood TKR repeater packages! AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000 http://www.irlp.net Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] TKR-850 PL on COS
Look in the software :optional features,AUX inputs; there is Aux In pins that you program diferent actions, program one for QT/DQT encode enable/disable and control it with one of the output lines of the RLC-3 ( look page J-1 of the manual ); by the way my manual has two errors there: 056 500 093 1 there is a missing 1 at the end ( board 1 ) 157 48 500 there is a missing 0 before the 48 Do you have a manual for the TKR-850 Hope this helps. Juan - Original Message - From: Richard D. Reese To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 7:55 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] TKR-850 PL on COS I have a TKR-850 that is hooked to an external controller (Link Comm. RLC-3) and I want to have CTCSS on COR. Anyone know where to connect to mute the sub-audible tone generated in the TKR-850? I would like to retain the internal CTCSS. It currently encodes continuously and see no programming ability to do anything but continuously or none at all..I have the service manual but thought someone could save me some time and effort locating the spot.Thanks in advance. Richard D. Reesehttp://www.wa8dbw.ifip.com Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[Repeater-Builder] TKR-850 PL on COS
I have a TKR-850 that is hooked to an external controller (Link Comm. RLC-3) and I want to have CTCSS on COR. Anyone know where to connect to mute the sub-audible tone generated in the TKR-850? I would like to retain the internal CTCSS. It currently encodes continuously and see no programming ability to do anything but continuously or none at all..I have the service manual but thought someone could save me some time and effort locating the spot.Thanks in advance. Richard D. Reesehttp://www.wa8dbw.ifip.com Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[Repeater-Builder] TKR-850
Hello All, If you plan to use a Kenwood TKR-850 below 450 MHZ it must be ordered or tuned to work there. My Kenwood dealer set mine up and it works just fine. Ver twos will do 40 watts all day and night. Very best of 73, Russ, W3CH. Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] TKR-850 - Where to get CTCSS enable signal?
There are multiple inputs and outputs that can be programed for that purposes even there are for encode on/off ,decode on/off , you only have to look in the software.. - Mensaje original - De: Gregg Lengling Para: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Enviado: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 12:29 PM Asunto: RE: [Repeater-Builder] TKR-850 - Where to get CTCSS enable signal? You need to program one of the programmable outputs to TOR (this is a logicsignal that goes active with received signal and proper tone). Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] TKR-850 - Where to get CTCSS enable signal?
It tells you in the program book how to ID the pin. Its all software. Good luck! Russ - Original Message - From: "jfrohoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 2:50 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] TKR-850 - Where to get CTCSS enable signal? > In the course of connecting my new TKR-850 to my Arcom RC210 > controller I found out that the repeater's "Squelch Control" ouput is > not actually a CTCSS squelch signal, it is a COS signal only. In > other words, the "SC" pin goes from 5v to 0v whenever ANY signal is > on the receiver channel, whether or not it has the right CTCSS with > it. The CTCSS is enabled for the channel in the programming (173.8), > but it only cuts off the audio. The CTCSS enable is not reflected on > the repeater's SC pin. When I change to the wrong CTCSS code on my > handheld, the receiver speaker is quiet, and no audio gets to the > controller, but the "busy" light on the front lights and the SC pin > goes to 0v. > > I cannot see any other output pin for CTCSS enable ... so my option > appears to be either to use an external CTCSS decoder or to find a > signal in the receiver that does reflect the true CTCSS enable state. > > Anyone deal with this issue on a TKR-850? > > Thanks! Jim K7RNR > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] TKR-850 - Where to get CTCSS enable signal?
jfrohoff wrote: > In the course of connecting my new TKR-850 to my Arcom RC210 > controller I found out that the repeater's "Squelch Control" ouput is > not actually a CTCSS squelch signal, it is a COS signal only. In > other words, the "SC" pin goes from 5v to 0v whenever ANY signal is > on the receiver channel, whether or not it has the right CTCSS with > it. The CTCSS is enabled for the channel in the programming (173.8), > but it only cuts off the audio. The CTCSS enable is not reflected on > the repeater's SC pin. When I change to the wrong CTCSS code on my > handheld, the receiver speaker is quiet, and no audio gets to the > controller, but the "busy" light on the front lights and the SC pin > goes to 0v. > > I cannot see any other output pin for CTCSS enable ... so my option > appears to be either to use an external CTCSS decoder or to find a > signal in the receiver that does reflect the true CTCSS enable state. > > Anyone deal with this issue on a TKR-850? > > Thanks! Jim K7RNR > Do you have a manual? If not, get one. -- Jim Barbour WD8CHL Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] TKR-850 - Where to get CTCSS enable signal?
You need to program one of the programmable outputs to TOR (this is a logic signal that goes active with received signal and proper tone). Gregg R. Lengling, W9DHI, Retired Administrator http://www.milwaukeehdtv.org K2/100 S#3075 KX1 S# 57 Politics is the art of appearing candid and completely open, while concealing as much as possible. -States: The Bene Gesserit View -Original Message- From: jfrohoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 1:50 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] TKR-850 - Where to get CTCSS enable signal? In the course of connecting my new TKR-850 to my Arcom RC210 controller I found out that the repeater's "Squelch Control" ouput is not actually a CTCSS squelch signal, it is a COS signal only. In other words, the "SC" pin goes from 5v to 0v whenever ANY signal is on the receiver channel, whether or not it has the right CTCSS with it. The CTCSS is enabled for the channel in the programming (173.8), but it only cuts off the audio. The CTCSS enable is not reflected on the repeater's SC pin. When I change to the wrong CTCSS code on my handheld, the receiver speaker is quiet, and no audio gets to the controller, but the "busy" light on the front lights and the SC pin goes to 0v. I cannot see any other output pin for CTCSS enable ... so my option appears to be either to use an external CTCSS decoder or to find a signal in the receiver that does reflect the true CTCSS enable state. Anyone deal with this issue on a TKR-850? Thanks! Jim K7RNR Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] TKR-850 - Where to get CTCSS enable signal?
At 02:29 PM 4/14/2004 -0500, you wrote: >You need to program one of the programmable outputs to TOR (this is a logic >signal that goes active with received signal and proper tone). <---Is there a programming option that would give him a discrete PL decode logic output, independent of COS? That is what he needs. Ken -- President and CTO - Arcom Communications Makers of state-of-the-art repeater controllers and accessories. http://www.ah6le.net/arcom/index.html AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000 http://www.irlp.net Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] TKR-850 - Where to get CTCSS enable signal?
In the course of connecting my new TKR-850 to my Arcom RC210 controller I found out that the repeater's "Squelch Control" ouput is not actually a CTCSS squelch signal, it is a COS signal only. In other words, the "SC" pin goes from 5v to 0v whenever ANY signal is on the receiver channel, whether or not it has the right CTCSS with it. The CTCSS is enabled for the channel in the programming (173.8), but it only cuts off the audio. The CTCSS enable is not reflected on the repeater's SC pin. When I change to the wrong CTCSS code on my handheld, the receiver speaker is quiet, and no audio gets to the controller, but the "busy" light on the front lights and the SC pin goes to 0v. I cannot see any other output pin for CTCSS enable ... so my option appears to be either to use an external CTCSS decoder or to find a signal in the receiver that does reflect the true CTCSS enable state. Anyone deal with this issue on a TKR-850? Thanks! Jim K7RNR Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
