[Repeater-Builder] Uniden Key Mystery SOLVED!
Ok people here's the scoop: pop @ Lee Hardware has been cutting keys for 60 yrs, so consider him a master. The blank is an industry standard SL1, he used an ILCO. The convex groove is thinner. The concave groove is wider. This allows the key to fit, anyone telling you this is the wrong blank should'nt be cutting keys! He does not have a coding machine so all measurements are made with calipers. pop measured it so don't gripe to me :-) The cut side of the key is the top side. All measurements are in thousandths and pin cuts are measured from tip (insertion end) to head. Move Top stop (nearest head, cutting side) back .250 towards head. Move bottom stop (uncut side) back .105 towards head. First pin cut (from tip) .238 back x .032 deep. Second pin cut (from tip) .242 back x .015 deep. Third pin cut (from tip) .536 back x .018 deep. So if you have an ametuer key cutter but have a small needle file and some calipers, you're in business. maybe a vice would help too. Now that this mystery is solved would anyone have the time (since im studying for school) to look up the CES 4700vp simplex, half-duplex interconnect and tell me the internal jumper configuration settings so i can use it in place of the hln RICK in my GR300 (2 M120's)repeater for CWID and delay. Kurt Metzler, Metzler radio engineering, MRE Direct, fabricated an interconnect cable for me so no problem there. I fully realize no phone calls allowed on GMRS so we don't need any posts telling me i can't use it. It is a fully functional repeater controller as well. Hope everyone benefits from this information and a happy thanksgiving to all! Sincerely, Kevin p.s. if someone could place this in the appropriate file section it would be appreciated as i have 3 chapters to read by tomorrow. Plus i can't figure it out :-) !
RE: [Repeater-Builder] uniden key
Kevin, The chances are good that at least one domestic key made for file cabinets, storage lockers, and screen or garage door locks will slide easily into the Takigen lock on a Uniden radio. Once such a key blank is found, the cuts from a genuine Uniden radio key can be cut into that blank and- Voila! Rather than trying to track down the exact Takigen key or key blank, perhaps a better plan is to take either the Uniden lock mechanism- or the whole radio unit if necessary- to a good lock shop, so that the locksmith can try a number of standard key blanks to find the one or more that fits into the lock. Then, the genuine Takigen key can be decoded using standard key cut procedures to determine the proper notch depths. Once this is done, we can post the results for all to see and benefit from. Give a locksmith data of the form Cuts 3-1-6-4-2 on an ILCO X239B blank will result in a key that works. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of kevinvalent...@sbcglobal.net Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 1:58 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] uniden key just looked through the Takigen site. looks like it is model # c-104 it is an 0200 key just as mine is hope this helps kevin
RE: [Repeater-Builder] uniden key
I realize how a key is made, was a design engineer for custom electro magnetic locking systems (Securty Engineering, Locknetics) for many years before radio.No one mentioned they would like me to do that. I sent the photos, corrected the takigen # and found the right takigen blank. it will take a little time for me to research ie: have another key cut and get the blank #' and depth on the cuts if the mom pop can even guage them. started med school so only have weekends free to fart around but i will check. gettin out of the 2-way biz, don't feel like doing smt repairs, gettin old, time for a change. gonna keep it for the hobby mode though. lots of older kenwood stuff to unload and to everyone on the group, no i don't have a list yet :-) ! kevin --- On Sat, 11/21/09, Eric Lemmon wb6...@verizon.net wrote: From: Eric Lemmon wb6...@verizon.net Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] uniden key To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, November 21, 2009, 3:39 PM Kevin, The chances are good that at least one domestic key made for file cabinets, storage lockers, and screen or garage door locks will slide easily into the Takigen lock on a Uniden radio. Once such a key blank is found, the cuts from a genuine Uniden radio key can be cut into that blank and- Voila! Rather than trying to track down the exact Takigen key or key blank, perhaps a better plan is to take either the Uniden lock mechanism- or the whole radio unit if necessary- to a good lock shop, so that the locksmith can try a number of standard key blanks to find the one or more that fits into the lock. Then, the genuine Takigen key can be decoded using standard key cut procedures to determine the proper notch depths. Once this is done, we can post the results for all to see and benefit from. Give a locksmith data of the form Cuts 3-1-6-4-2 on an ILCO X239B blank will result in a key that works. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of kevinvalentino@ sbcglobal. net Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 1:58 PM To: Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] uniden key just looked through the Takigen site. looks like it is model # c-104 it is an 0200 key just as mine is hope this helps kevin
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Uniden Key
must have lost some res on the upload. key stamped: TAKIGEN 0200, other side has strange symbols nothing i can explain, 4 of them. maybe japaneese? --- On Wed, 11/18/09, Mike Morris WA6ILQ wa6...@gmail.com wrote: From: Mike Morris WA6ILQ wa6...@gmail.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Uniden Key To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 10:55 PM The key photos from both Scott Zimmerman and Kevin Valentino are up on the keys Page The name cast into the key blank looks like Takigen (it's a Japanese radio, do you really expect something from Chicago Lock ?), and I can't make out the third digit of the key number - it's 02(something) 0. Mike WA6ILQ
[Repeater-Builder] uniden key
just looked through the Takigen site. looks like it is model # c-104 it is an 0200 key just as mine is hope this helps kevin
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Uniden Key
Kevin, Please advise the brand name of the key blank, and the key blank identification number, of the duplicate key that that does work. This might be something like Curtis B173. Once we have that valuable information, it can be added to the RBTIP Radio Keys data file. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of kevin valentino Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 5:46 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Uniden Key i just had a copy cut for a tech. tell your key cutter to look again, the one i fought with (a master locksmith) finally found a standard blank staring him in the face on the carousel. the confusion came when i told him it was to open a 2-way, the head was a different shape. --- On Tue, 11/17/09, Scott Zimmerman n3...@repeater-builder.com wrote: From: Scott Zimmerman n3...@repeater-builder.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Uniden Key To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 7:13 PM Does anyone have any spare keys for the Uniden Force series of trunk mount mobiles? (1100 series) I managed to borrow one, but the key cutter I stopped at to get a copy made didn't have the correct blank. I was just wondering if someone had about 3 spares or so they would want to part with. Thanks, Scott Scott Zimmerman Amateur Radio Call N3XCC 474 Barnett Road Boswell, PA 15531
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I am off to town in a few minuites. I will try a couple of shops on my travels. Scott Scott Zimmerman Amateur Radio Call N3XCC 474 Barnett Road Boswell, PA 15531 Eric Lemmon wrote: Kevin, Please advise the brand name of the key blank, and the key blank identification number, of the duplicate key that that does work. This might be something like Curtis B173. Once we have that valuable information, it can be added to the RBTIP Radio Keys data file. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of kevin valentino Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 5:46 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Uniden Key i just had a copy cut for a tech. tell your key cutter to look again, the one i fought with (a master locksmith) finally found a standard blank staring him in the face on the carousel. the confusion came when i told him it was to open a 2-way, the head was a different shape. --- On Tue, 11/17/09, Scott Zimmerman n3...@repeater-builder.com wrote: From: Scott Zimmerman n3...@repeater-builder.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Uniden Key To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 7:13 PM Does anyone have any spare keys for the Uniden Force series of trunk mount mobiles? (1100 series) I managed to borrow one, but the key cutter I stopped at to get a copy made didn't have the correct blank. I was just wondering if someone had about 3 spares or so they would want to part with. Thanks, Scott Scott Zimmerman Amateur Radio Call N3XCC 474 Barnett Road Boswell, PA 15531 Yahoo! Groups Links No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.425 / Virus Database: 270.14.72/2511 - Release Date: 11/18/09 07:50:00
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Uniden Key
Well I struck out at all the places I stopped. I am going to try to get to an actual locksmith shop in a few days and see what they can come up with. I will keep everyone posted. I sent a couple of pictures of the key I have to Mike for publication on the website. Maybe someone will recognize it by appearance. Scott Scott Zimmerman Amateur Radio Call N3XCC 474 Barnett Road Boswell, PA 15531 Scott Zimmerman wrote: I am off to town in a few minuites. I will try a couple of shops on my travels. Scott Scott Zimmerman Amateur Radio Call N3XCC 474 Barnett Road Boswell, PA 15531 Eric Lemmon wrote: Kevin, Please advise the brand name of the key blank, and the key blank identification number, of the duplicate key that that does work. This might be something like Curtis B173. Once we have that valuable information, it can be added to the RBTIP Radio Keys data file. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of kevin valentino Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 5:46 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Uniden Key i just had a copy cut for a tech. tell your key cutter to look again, the one i fought with (a master locksmith) finally found a standard blank staring him in the face on the carousel. the confusion came when i told him it was to open a 2-way, the head was a different shape. --- On Tue, 11/17/09, Scott Zimmerman n3...@repeater-builder.com wrote: From: Scott Zimmerman n3...@repeater-builder.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Uniden Key To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 7:13 PM Does anyone have any spare keys for the Uniden Force series of trunk mount mobiles? (1100 series) I managed to borrow one, but the key cutter I stopped at to get a copy made didn't have the correct blank. I was just wondering if someone had about 3 spares or so they would want to part with. Thanks, Scott Scott Zimmerman Amateur Radio Call N3XCC 474 Barnett Road Boswell, PA 15531 Yahoo! Groups Links No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.425 / Virus Database: 270.14.72/2511 - Release Date: 11/18/09 07:50:00 Yahoo! Groups Links No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.425 / Virus Database: 270.14.72/2511 - Release Date: 11/18/09 07:50:00
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Uniden Key
it was a standard blank for a padlock key, very common. don't know why he could not have one cut. the blank that was cut had no identity #'s on it. came right off the carousel at the mom pop hardware store. i sent pics of my original to Mike wa6ilq to post. --- On Wed, 11/18/09, Eric Lemmon wb6...@verizon.net wrote: From: Eric Lemmon wb6...@verizon.net Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Uniden Key To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 12:31 PM Kevin, Please advise the brand name of the key blank, and the key blank identification number, of the duplicate key that that does work. This might be something like Curtis B173. Once we have that valuable information, it can be added to the RBTIP Radio Keys data file. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of kevin valentino Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 5:46 PM To: Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Uniden Key i just had a copy cut for a tech. tell your key cutter to look again, the one i fought with (a master locksmith) finally found a standard blank staring him in the face on the carousel. the confusion came when i told him it was to open a 2-way, the head was a different shape. --- On Tue, 11/17/09, Scott Zimmerman n3...@repeater- builder.com wrote: From: Scott Zimmerman n3...@repeater- builder.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Uniden Key To: Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 7:13 PM Does anyone have any spare keys for the Uniden Force series of trunk mount mobiles? (1100 series) I managed to borrow one, but the key cutter I stopped at to get a copy made didn't have the correct blank. I was just wondering if someone had about 3 spares or so they would want to part with. Thanks, Scott Scott Zimmerman Amateur Radio Call N3XCC 474 Barnett Road Boswell, PA 15531
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Uniden Key
Bummer! Even if Uniden did not use the same cutting code on all their keys (like the Motorola 2135), the first step is identifying what key blank is used. Curtis and ILCO are two prominent makers of key blanks, and almost any key in the world can be found in the catalogs of one or both companies. Back when I was a teenager, I learned locksmithing when I worked at a large hardware store. Often, an appliance manufacturer would register a standard key with locksmithing organizations, so that the correct key blank and the cutting code could be duplicated without having an original key to copy.. There are key blank suppliers that will sell you a package of ten blanks for about ten bucks, and you can then have them cut from your original key at almost any key shop. The big issue is having the right key blank to cut, and that is where many small hardware stores are not much help. The majority of residential locks can be satisfied with just a few dozen blanks; commercial and high-security locks will run into the hundreds of different blanks. I have never seen a Uniden Force 1100 radio, so perhaps someone who has one can take some pictures of it. The Uniden Force name also applies to CB and GMRS radios. Even more helpful would be finding the Uniden part number of the key in the service manual. Who knows, perhaps that part number can be decoded by a key blank supplier in a few seconds. Perhaps I'm overly optimistic...? 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Zimmerman Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 12:49 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Uniden Key Well I struck out at all the places I stopped. I am going to try to get to an actual locksmith shop in a few days and see what they can come up with. I will keep everyone posted. I sent a couple of pictures of the key I have to Mike for publication on the website. Maybe someone will recognize it by appearance. Scott Scott Zimmerman Amateur Radio Call N3XCC 474 Barnett Road Boswell, PA 15531 Scott Zimmerman wrote: I am off to town in a few minuites. I will try a couple of shops on my travels. Scott Scott Zimmerman Amateur Radio Call N3XCC 474 Barnett Road Boswell, PA 15531 Eric Lemmon wrote: Kevin, Please advise the brand name of the key blank, and the key blank identification number, of the duplicate key that that does work. This might be something like Curtis B173. Once we have that valuable information, it can be added to the RBTIP Radio Keys data file. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of kevin valentino Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 5:46 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Uniden Key i just had a copy cut for a tech. tell your key cutter to look again, the one i fought with (a master locksmith) finally found a standard blank staring him in the face on the carousel. the confusion came when i told him it was to open a 2-way, the head was a different shape. --- On Tue, 11/17/09, Scott Zimmerman n3...@repeater-builder.com mailto:n3xcc%40repeater-builder.com wrote: From: Scott Zimmerman n3...@repeater-builder.com mailto:n3xcc%40repeater-builder.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Uniden Key To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 7:13 PM Does anyone have any spare keys for the Uniden Force series of trunk mount mobiles? (1100 series) I managed to borrow one, but the key cutter I stopped at to get a copy made didn't have the correct blank. I was just wondering if someone had about 3 spares or so they would want to part with. Thanks, Scott Scott Zimmerman Amateur Radio Call N3XCC 474 Barnett Road Boswell, PA 15531 Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.425 / Virus Database: 270.14.72/2511 - Release Date: 11/18/09 07:50:00 Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.425 / Virus Database: 270.14.72/2511 - Release Date: 11/18/09 07:50:00
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Uniden Key
The key photos from both Scott Zimmerman and Kevin Valentino are up on the keys Page The name cast into the key blank looks like Takigen (it's a Japanese radio, do you really expect something from Chicago Lock ?), and I can't make out the third digit of the key number - it's 02(something)0. Mike WA6ILQ
[Repeater-Builder] Uniden Key
Does anyone have any spare keys for the Uniden Force series of trunk mount mobiles? (1100 series) I managed to borrow one, but the key cutter I stopped at to get a copy made didn't have the correct blank. I was just wondering if someone had about 3 spares or so they would want to part with. Thanks, Scott Scott Zimmerman Amateur Radio Call N3XCC 474 Barnett Road Boswell, PA 15531
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Uniden Key
i just had a copy cut for a tech. tell your key cutter to look again, the one i fought with (a master locksmith) finally found a standard blank staring him in the face on the carousel. the confusion came when i told him it was to open a 2-way, the head was a different shape. --- On Tue, 11/17/09, Scott Zimmerman n3...@repeater-builder.com wrote: From: Scott Zimmerman n3...@repeater-builder.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Uniden Key To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 7:13 PM Does anyone have any spare keys for the Uniden Force series of trunk mount mobiles? (1100 series) I managed to borrow one, but the key cutter I stopped at to get a copy made didn't have the correct blank. I was just wondering if someone had about 3 spares or so they would want to part with. Thanks, Scott Scott Zimmerman Amateur Radio Call N3XCC 474 Barnett Road Boswell, PA 15531
