Re: [Repeater-Builder] Henry Repeater Amp or TE Systems
we have used TE, Henry, Volcom and TPL. Volcom and TPL have great service TE got a 150 watt and UHF and no matter what we do to it only puts out 120 watts came with paper work that show tested at 134 watts on a 150 watt amp. Had no luck to get this corrected. Will never but a TE amp ever if it was at very low cost. go with a good brand spend a bit more but it works and works Volcom 1ST TPL 2nd John - Original Message - From: James Adkins To: repeater-builder Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 9:44 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Henry Repeater Amp or TE Systems Okay all, looking for opinions. Our club is going to purchase a 220 amplifier and a 440 amplifier for our repeaters. For 220, we're looking at either the TE Systems 2210RAN or the Henry C100B10R For UHF, it's either the TE Systems 4412RA or the Henry C100D30R. We have a Henry C300C30R in use for about 3-1/2 years now (running it at 250w output) on our 6-meter repeater and had to send it in about 13 months into its life to have the finals replaced. No problems since, though. I was pleased with Henry's response to the problem. Even though it was out of warranty, they fixed it under warranty. Though the TE systems amplifiers have more output (150w vs 100w), I have concerns about their reliability. The local D* repeater has had a lot of problems with their VHF amplifier, and it's not very clean (of course, that could be the fault of the D* repeater transmitter, too!). What are your opinions, TE Systems vs Henry? -- James Adkins, KB0NHX Vice-President -- Nixa Amateur Radio Club, Inc. (KC0LUN) www.nixahams.net Southern Missouri Assistant Frequency Coordinator - Missouri Repeater Council www.missourirepeater.org The Nixa Amateur Radio Club - There is no charge for awesomeness! (Well, only $1.00 per month)
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Henry Repeater Amp or TE Systems
TPL I will never consider. We used their 300-W amps for low-band at work, they'd oscillate unless we put in a second TR Relay with a 50-ohm dummy load, then they'd burn up. Not to mention, the 100-w ones we had were very dirty if we ran them above 35w or so. One brand I considered was Crescend for UHF, they are rock solid. But, they don't make a 220 amp. Will check into Volcom, never heard of them. On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 11:09 AM, Maire-Radios maire-rad...@verizon.netwrote: *we have used TE, Henry, Volcom and TPL.* ** *Volcom and TPL have great service* ** *TE got a 150 watt and UHF and no matter what we do to it only puts out 120 watts came with paper work that show tested at 134 watts on a 150 watt amp.* ** *Had no luck to get this corrected.* ** *Will never but a TE amp ever if it was at very low cost.* ** *go with a good brand spend a bit more but it works and works* *Volcom 1ST TPL 2nd* ** *John* - Original Message - *From:* James Adkins adkins.ja...@gmail.com *To:* repeater-builder Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Saturday, December 19, 2009 9:44 PM *Subject:* [Repeater-Builder] Henry Repeater Amp or TE Systems Okay all, looking for opinions. Our club is going to purchase a 220 amplifier and a 440 amplifier for our repeaters. For 220, we're looking at either the TE Systems 2210RAN or the Henry C100B10R For UHF, it's either the TE Systems 4412RA or the Henry C100D30R. We have a Henry C300C30R in use for about 3-1/2 years now (running it at 250w output) on our 6-meter repeater and had to send it in about 13 months into its life to have the finals replaced. No problems since, though. I was pleased with Henry's response to the problem. Even though it was out of warranty, they fixed it under warranty. Though the TE systems amplifiers have more output (150w vs 100w), I have concerns about their reliability. The local D* repeater has had a lot of problems with their VHF amplifier, and it's not very clean (of course, that could be the fault of the D* repeater transmitter, too!). What are your opinions, TE Systems vs Henry? -- James Adkins, KB0NHX Vice-President -- Nixa Amateur Radio Club, Inc. (KC0LUN) www.nixahams.net Southern Missouri Assistant Frequency Coordinator - Missouri Repeater Council www.missourirepeater.org The Nixa Amateur Radio Club - There is no charge for awesomeness! (Well, only $1.00 per month) -- James Adkins, KB0NHX Vice-President -- Nixa Amateur Radio Club, Inc. (KC0LUN) www.nixahams.net Southern Missouri Assistant Frequency Coordinator - Missouri Repeater Council www.missourirepeater.org The Nixa Amateur Radio Club - There is no charge for awesomeness! (Well, only $1.00 per month)
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Henry Repeater Amp or TE Systems
We have had a Henry 5-10 in 100 plus out in service on a UHF Community Repeater. Bought it fifteen years ago this last July and have had it serviced twice in fifteen years..NOT BAD IN MY OPINION. And best of all Ted Henry is only a phone call or E-Mail away to help with questions. 73 JIM KA2AJH From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Berlen, K9HX Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 2:19 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Henry Repeater Amp or TE Systems I have no experience with the TE Systems product, but have had good experience with the Henry products. We have had a 25W in, 100W out UHF Henry amp on a busy community repeater for the last 10 years and have had no problems. This is on a high-density site, and it also does not cause any intermod for the other users on site. Kevin, K9HX At 09:44 PM 12/19/2009, you wrote: Okay all, looking for opinions. Our club is going to purchase a 220 amplifier and a 440 amplifier for our repeaters. For 220, we're looking at either the TE Systems 2210RAN or the Henry C100B10R For UHF, it's either the TE Systems 4412RA or the Henry C100D30R. We have a Henry C300C30R in use for about 3-1/2 years now (running it at 250w output) on our 6-meter repeater and had to send it in about 13 months into its life to have the finals replaced. No problems since, though. I was pleased with Henry's response to the problem. Even though it was out of warranty, they fixed it under warranty. Though the TE systems amplifiers have more output (150w vs 100w), I have concerns about their reliability. The local D* repeater has had a lot of problems with their VHF amplifier, and it's not very clean (of course, that could be the fault of the D* repeater transmitter, too!). What are your opinions, TE Systems vs Henry? -- James Adkins, KB0NHX Vice-President -- Nixa Amateur Radio Club, Inc. (KC0LUN) www.nixahams.net Southern Missouri Assistant Frequency Coordinator - Missouri Repeater Council www.missourirepeater.org The Nixa Amateur Radio Club - There is no charge for awesomeness! (Well, only $1.00 per month) No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com/ Version: 9.0.717 / Virus Database: 270.14.114/2575 - Release Date: 12/19/09 03:33:00
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Henry Repeater Amp or TE Systems
Jim, I have a Crescend PA on my 440 machine. When I did have a problem, they were quick to repair it under warranty. Mark - N9WYS From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of James Adkins TPL I will never consider. We used their 300-W amps for low-band at work, they'd oscillate unless we put in a second TR Relay with a 50-ohm dummy load, then they'd burn up. Not to mention, the 100-w ones we had were very dirty if we ran them above 35w or so. One brand I considered was Crescend for UHF, they are rock solid. But, they don't make a 220 amp. Will check into Volcom, never heard of them. On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 11:09 AM, Maire-Radios maire-rad...@verizon.net wrote: we have used TE, Henry, Volcom and TPL. Volcom and TPL have great service TE got a 150 watt and UHF and no matter what we do to it only puts out 120 watts came with paper work that show tested at 134 watts on a 150 watt amp. Had no luck to get this corrected. Will never but a TE amp ever if it was at very low cost. go with a good brand spend a bit more but it works and works Volcom 1ST TPL 2nd John - Original Message - From: James Adkins mailto:adkins.ja...@gmail.com Okay all, looking for opinions. Our club is going to purchase a 220 amplifier and a 440 amplifier for our repeaters. For 220, we're looking at either the TE Systems 2210RAN or the Henry C100B10R For UHF, it's either the TE Systems 4412RA or the Henry C100D30R. We have a Henry C300C30R in use for about 3-1/2 years now (running it at 250w output) on our 6-meter repeater and had to send it in about 13 months into its life to have the finals replaced. No problems since, though. I was pleased with Henry's response to the problem. Even though it was out of warranty, they fixed it under warranty. Though the TE systems amplifiers have more output (150w vs 100w), I have concerns about their reliability. The local D* repeater has had a lot of problems with their VHF amplifier, and it's not very clean (of course, that could be the fault of the D* repeater transmitter, too!). What are your opinions, TE Systems vs Henry? -- James Adkins, KB0NHX Vice-President -- Nixa Amateur Radio Club, Inc. (KC0LUN) www.nixahams.net Southern Missouri Assistant Frequency Coordinator - Missouri Repeater Council www.missourirepeater.org The Nixa Amateur Radio Club - There is no charge for awesomeness! (Well, only $1.00 per month)
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Henry Repeater Amp or TE Systems
At 11:03 AM 12/20/2009, James Adkins wrote: TPL I will never consider. We used their 300-W amps for low-band at work, they'd oscillate unless we put in a second TR Relay with a 50-ohm dummy load, then they'd burn up. Not to mention, the 100-w ones we had were very dirty if we ran them above 35w or so. ---I knew Tom Liddy pretty well (as a matter of fact, I worked for him when he was Chief Engineer for an Alarm company in the late 70's after he left TPL). At the time, he was touted as some miracle worker with RF. Personally, I never found him to be the Wunderkind many believed he was. Personally I liked the guy but Chip Angle he wasn't g Anyway, I've used TPL products over the years (since his leaving the company) and have never had any more issues with them than any other amplifier, be it Henry, Mirage or whatever. YMMV of course Ken -- President and CTO - Arcom Communications Makers of repeater controllers and accessories. http://www.arcomcontrollers.com/ Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave and we offer complete repeater packages! AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000 http://www.irlp.net We don't just make 'em. We use 'em!
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Henry Repeater Amp or TE Systems
Crescend and Volcom same co. why would you put in a 100 watt PA and try to run it down to 35 watts it is the same problem if you take a Motorola Micor repeater 75 watt unit and try to do low power with it same problems. - Original Message - From: James Adkins To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 2:03 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Henry Repeater Amp or TE Systems TPL I will never consider. We used their 300-W amps for low-band at work, they'd oscillate unless we put in a second TR Relay with a 50-ohm dummy load, then they'd burn up. Not to mention, the 100-w ones we had were very dirty if we ran them above 35w or so. One brand I considered was Crescend for UHF, they are rock solid. But, they don't make a 220 amp. Will check into Volcom, never heard of them. On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 11:09 AM, Maire-Radios maire-rad...@verizon.net wrote: we have used TE, Henry, Volcom and TPL. Volcom and TPL have great service TE got a 150 watt and UHF and no matter what we do to it only puts out 120 watts came with paper work that show tested at 134 watts on a 150 watt amp. Had no luck to get this corrected. Will never but a TE amp ever if it was at very low cost. go with a good brand spend a bit more but it works and works Volcom 1ST TPL 2nd John - Original Message - From: James Adkins To: repeater-builder Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 9:44 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Henry Repeater Amp or TE Systems Okay all, looking for opinions. Our club is going to purchase a 220 amplifier and a 440 amplifier for our repeaters. For 220, we're looking at either the TE Systems 2210RAN or the Henry C100B10R For UHF, it's either the TE Systems 4412RA or the Henry C100D30R. We have a Henry C300C30R in use for about 3-1/2 years now (running it at 250w output) on our 6-meter repeater and had to send it in about 13 months into its life to have the finals replaced. No problems since, though. I was pleased with Henry's response to the problem. Even though it was out of warranty, they fixed it under warranty. Though the TE systems amplifiers have more output (150w vs 100w), I have concerns about their reliability. The local D* repeater has had a lot of problems with their VHF amplifier, and it's not very clean (of course, that could be the fault of the D* repeater transmitter, too!). What are your opinions, TE Systems vs Henry? -- James Adkins, KB0NHX Vice-President -- Nixa Amateur Radio Club, Inc. (KC0LUN) www.nixahams.net Southern Missouri Assistant Frequency Coordinator - Missouri Repeater Council www.missourirepeater.org The Nixa Amateur Radio Club - There is no charge for awesomeness! (Well, only $1.00 per month) -- James Adkins, KB0NHX Vice-President -- Nixa Amateur Radio Club, Inc. (KC0LUN) www.nixahams.net Southern Missouri Assistant Frequency Coordinator - Missouri Repeater Council www.missourirepeater.org The Nixa Amateur Radio Club - There is no charge for awesomeness! (Well, only $1.00 per month)
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Henry Repeater Amp or TE Systems
The difference is that the commercial stuff gets dirty *below* a certain power, while he said his amp was dirty *above* 35W. Joe M. Maire-Radios wrote: *Crescend and Volcom same co.* ** *why would you put in a 100 watt PA and try to run it down to 35 watts it is the same problem if you take a Motorola Micor repeater 75 watt unit and try to do low power with it same problems.* ** ** - Original Message - *From:* James Adkins mailto:adkins.ja...@gmail.com *To:* Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Sunday, December 20, 2009 2:03 PM *Subject:* Re: [Repeater-Builder] Henry Repeater Amp or TE Systems TPL I will never consider. We used their 300-W amps for low-band at work, they'd oscillate unless we put in a second TR Relay with a 50-ohm dummy load, then they'd burn up. Not to mention, the 100-w ones we had were very dirty if we ran them above 35w or so. One brand I considered was Crescend for UHF, they are rock solid. But, they don't make a 220 amp. Will check into Volcom, never heard of them. On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 11:09 AM, Maire-Radios maire-rad...@verizon.net mailto:maire-rad...@verizon.net wrote: *we have used TE, Henry, Volcom and TPL.* ** *Volcom and TPL have great service* ** *TE got a 150 watt and UHF and no matter what we do to it only puts out 120 watts came with paper work that show tested at 134 watts on a 150 watt amp.* ** *Had no luck to get this corrected.* ** *Will never but a TE amp ever if it was at very low cost.* ** *go with a good brand spend a bit more but it works and works* *Volcom 1ST TPL 2nd* ** *John* - Original Message - *From:* James Adkins mailto:adkins.ja...@gmail.com *To:* repeater-builder mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Saturday, December 19, 2009 9:44 PM *Subject:* [Repeater-Builder] Henry Repeater Amp or TE Systems Okay all, looking for opinions. Our club is going to purchase a 220 amplifier and a 440 amplifier for our repeaters. For 220, we're looking at either the TE Systems 2210RAN or the Henry C100B10R For UHF, it's either the TE Systems 4412RA or the Henry C100D30R. We have a Henry C300C30R in use for about 3-1/2 years now (running it at 250w output) on our 6-meter repeater and had to send it in about 13 months into its life to have the finals replaced. No problems since, though. I was pleased with Henry's response to the problem. Even though it was out of warranty, they fixed it under warranty. Though the TE systems amplifiers have more output (150w vs 100w), I have concerns about their reliability. The local D* repeater has had a lot of problems with their VHF amplifier, and it's not very clean (of course, that could be the fault of the D* repeater transmitter, too!). What are your opinions, TE Systems vs Henry? -- James Adkins, KB0NHX Vice-President -- Nixa Amateur Radio Club, Inc. (KC0LUN) www.nixahams.net http://www.nixahams.net Southern Missouri Assistant Frequency Coordinator - Missouri Repeater Council www.missourirepeater.org http://www.missourirepeater.org The Nixa Amateur Radio Club - There is no charge for awesomeness! (Well, only $1.00 per month) -- James Adkins, KB0NHX Vice-President -- Nixa Amateur Radio Club, Inc. (KC0LUN) www.nixahams.net http://www.nixahams.net Southern Missouri Assistant Frequency Coordinator - Missouri Repeater Council www.missourirepeater.org http://www.missourirepeater.org The Nixa Amateur Radio Club - There is no charge for awesomeness! (Well, only $1.00 per month) No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.717 / Virus Database: 270.14.115/2577 - Release Date: 12/20/09 02:35:00
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Henry Repeater Amp or TE Systems
On Dec 20, 2009, at 2:03 PM, James Adkins wrote: TPL I will never consider. We used their 300-W amps for low-band at work, they'd oscillate unless we put in a second TR Relay with a 50-ohm dummy load, then they'd burn up. Not to mention, the 100-w ones we had were very dirty if we ran them above 35w or so. One brand I considered was Crescend for UHF, they are rock solid. But, they don't make a 220 amp. Will check into Volcom, never heard of them. Before Crescent, the name was VOCOM, I believe. On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 11:09 AM, Maire-Radios maire- rad...@verizon.net wrote: we have used TE, Henry, Volcom and TPL. Volcom and TPL have great service TE got a 150 watt and UHF and no matter what we do to it only puts out 120 watts came with paper work that show tested at 134 watts on a 150 watt amp. Had no luck to get this corrected. Will never but a TE amp ever if it was at very low cost. go with a good brand spend a bit more but it works and works Volcom 1ST TPL 2nd John - Original Message - From: James Adkins To: repeater-builder Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 9:44 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Henry Repeater Amp or TE Systems Okay all, looking for opinions. Our club is going to purchase a 220 amplifier and a 440 amplifier for our repeaters. For 220, we're looking at either the TE Systems 2210RAN or the Henry C100B10R For UHF, it's either the TE Systems 4412RA or the Henry C100D30R. We have a Henry C300C30R in use for about 3-1/2 years now (running it at 250w output) on our 6-meter repeater and had to send it in about 13 months into its life to have the finals replaced. No problems since, though. I was pleased with Henry's response to the problem. Even though it was out of warranty, they fixed it under warranty. Though the TE systems amplifiers have more output (150w vs 100w), I have concerns about their reliability. The local D* repeater has had a lot of problems with their VHF amplifier, and it's not very clean (of course, that could be the fault of the D* repeater transmitter, too!). What are your opinions, TE Systems vs Henry? -- James Adkins, KB0NHX Vice-President -- Nixa Amateur Radio Club, Inc. (KC0LUN) www.nixahams.net Southern Missouri Assistant Frequency Coordinator - Missouri Repeater Council www.missourirepeater.org The Nixa Amateur Radio Club - There is no charge for awesomeness! (Well, only $1.00 per month) -- James Adkins, KB0NHX Vice-President -- Nixa Amateur Radio Club, Inc. (KC0LUN) www.nixahams.net Southern Missouri Assistant Frequency Coordinator - Missouri Repeater Council www.missourirepeater.org The Nixa Amateur Radio Club - There is no charge for awesomeness! (Well, only $1.00 per month)
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Henry Repeater Amp or TE Systems
I have no experience with Henry. I have had two TE UHF and one VHF amps. I have only used them on SSB and they do not have the repeater heat sinks. They are clean looking inside and out. They usually go into gain compression before reaching the max rated input power level. The output power usually drops a little as they heat up. Output power is typically on the low side of spec. Even on SSB they get warm and need fan cooling. My reliability has been good but I keep hearing that you don't want to send them back to TE for repair but there is at least one other person that will do repairs on them. If you track how the output power changes with input power you can tell where the TE AMP starts to go into gain compression and that is where I would stop the drive power even though it will probably be less than the rated input and even though you might see a few more watts of output power if you keep increasing the drive it isn't worth the risk of blowing it up. John Lock kf0m at arrl.net
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Henry Repeater Amp or TE Systems
A friend had a TE Systems amp. It nearly burned the building down. Joe M. On Sat 19/12/09 9:44 PM , James Adkins adkins.ja...@gmail.com sent: Okay all, looking for opinions. Our club is going to purchase a 220 amplifier and a 440 amplifier for our repeaters. For 220, we're looking at either the TE Systems 2210RAN or the Henry C100B10R For UHF, it's either the TE Systems 4412RA or the Henry C100D30R. We have a Henry C300C30R in use for about 3-1/2 years now (running it at 250w output) on our 6-meter repeater and had to send it in about 13 months into its life to have the finals replaced. No problems since, though. I was pleased with Henry's response to the problem. Even though it was out of warranty, they fixed it under warranty. Though the TE systems amplifiers have more output (150w vs 100w), I have concerns about their reliability. The local D* repeater has had a lot of problems with their VHF amplifier, and it's not very clean (of course, that could be the fault of the D* repeater transmitter, too!). What are your opinions, TE Systems vs Henry? -- James Adkins, KB0NHX Vice-President -- Nixa Amateur Radio Club, Inc. (KC0LUN) www.nixahams.net [1] Southern Missouri Assistant Frequency Coordinator - Missouri Repeater Council www.missourirepeater.org [2] The Nixa Amateur Radio Club - There is no charge for awesomeness! (Well, only $1.00 per month) Links: -- [1] http://www.nixahams.net [2] http://www.missourirepeater.org [3] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/join;_ylc=X3oDMTJldXE3cWRwBF 9TAzk3NDc2NTkwBGdycElkAzEwNDE2OARncnBzcElkAzE3MDUwNjMxMDgEc2VjA2Z0cgRzbGsDc 3RuZ3MEc3RpbWUDMTI2MTI3NzA3OA--[5] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder;_ylc=X3oDMTJjM3UzbmZzBF9TAzk 3NDc2NTkwBGdycElkAzEwNDE2OARncnBzcElkAzE3MDUwNjMxMDgEc2VjA2Z0cgRzbGsDaHBmBH N0aW1lAzEyNjEyNzcwNzg-[6] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Henry Repeater Amp or TE Systems
Follow your experience and conscience. Nobody builds an amplifier that will work forever, but Henry will always cover you if you are close to the warranty. Both purchase, quality, repair, and customer service have been excellent with Henry. Talk to Shorty K6JSI (Win System) about the TE Amplifier he sent back for repair and never got it back. Bill W6CBS From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of James Adkins Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 6:44 PM To: repeater-builder Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Henry Repeater Amp or TE Systems Okay all, looking for opinions. Our club is going to purchase a 220 amplifier and a 440 amplifier for our repeaters. For 220, we're looking at either the TE Systems 2210RAN or the Henry C100B10R For UHF, it's either the TE Systems 4412RA or the Henry C100D30R. We have a Henry C300C30R in use for about 3-1/2 years now (running it at 250w output) on our 6-meter repeater and had to send it in about 13 months into its life to have the finals replaced. No problems since, though. I was pleased with Henry's response to the problem. Even though it was out of warranty, they fixed it under warranty. Though the TE systems amplifiers have more output (150w vs 100w), I have concerns about their reliability. The local D* repeater has had a lot of problems with their VHF amplifier, and it's not very clean (of course, that could be the fault of the D* repeater transmitter, too!). What are your opinions, TE Systems vs Henry? -- James Adkins, KB0NHX Vice-President -- Nixa Amateur Radio Club, Inc. (KC0LUN) www.nixahams.net Southern Missouri Assistant Frequency Coordinator - Missouri Repeater Council www.missourirepeater.org The Nixa Amateur Radio Club - There is no charge for awesomeness! (Well, only $1.00 per month)
