Cyberstar hot air blowers
Dear All, Sorry not a direct Rietveld question, but I hope somebody can help : ) We often use high temperature (RT - 1000 C) gas blowers at ESRF for their flexibility and low background. Those made by Cyberstar seem to have become prohibitively expensive. Does anyone know of a competing supplier? best wishes, Simon -- - Dr. Simon A.J. Kimber European Synchrotron Radiation Facility, 71 Avenue des Martyrs, 38000 Grenoble, France. 0033 (0)47688 2773 ++ Please do NOT attach files to the whole list alan.he...@neutronoptics.com Send commands to lists...@ill.fr eg: HELP as the subject with no body text The Rietveld_L list archive is on http://www.mail-archive.com/rietveld_l@ill.fr/ ++
Re: Cyberstar hot air blowers
Title: Re: Cyberstar hot air blowers Hello Simon, we are successfully using a programmable hot air blower (25-750°C) called Le Mini Sensor Kit 800, from the Swiss company Leister. It costs about 2000 CHF, and is aimed at the industrial use. It allows to do ramps, it follows the protocol very closely, but the temperatures and real ramp rates have to be calibrated. Best regards, Yaroslav Friday, July 3, 2015, 10:38:50 AM, you wrote: Dear All, Sorry not a direct Rietveld question, but I hope somebody can help : ) We often use high temperature (RT - 1000 C) gas blowers at ESRF for their flexibility and low background. Those made by Cyberstar seem to have become prohibitively expensive. Does anyone know of a competing supplier? best wishes, Simon -- - Dr. Simon A.J. Kimber European Synchrotron Radiation Facility, 71 Avenue des Martyrs, 38000 Grenoble, France. 0033 (0)47688 2773 ++ Please do NOT attach files to the whole list alan.he...@neutronoptics.com Send commands to lists...@ill.fr eg: HELP as the subject with no body text The Rietveld_L list archive is on http://www.mail-archive.com/rietveld_l@ill.fr/ ++
Re: Cyberstar hot air blowers
2000 CHF? Precise temperature control is essential since often you will want to work near transitions where you risk destroying your sample. That also costs. _ From my mobile telephone Dr Alan Hewat, NeutronOptics, Grenoble, FRANCE alan.he...@neutronoptics.com +33.476.98.41.68 http://www.NeutronOptics.com/hewat _ On 3 Jul 2015 11:38, Yaroslav Filinchuk UCL yaroslav.filinc...@uclouvain.be wrote: Hello Simon, we are successfully using a programmable hot air blower (25-750°C) called Le Mini Sensor Kit 800, from the Swiss company Leister. It costs about 2000 CHF, and is aimed at the industrial use. It allows to do ramps, it follows the protocol very closely, but the temperatures and real ramp rates have to be calibrated. Best regards, Yaroslav Friday, July 3, 2015, 10:38:50 AM, you wrote: Dear All, Sorry not a direct Rietveld question, but I hope somebody can help : ) We often use high temperature (RT - 1000 C) gas blowers at ESRF for their flexibility and low background. Those made by Cyberstar seem to have become prohibitively expensive. Does anyone know of a competing supplier? best wishes, Simon -- - Dr. Simon A.J. Kimber European Synchrotron Radiation Facility, 71 Avenue des Martyrs, 38000 Grenoble, France. 0033 (0)47688 2773 ++ Please do NOT attach files to the whole list alan.he...@neutronoptics.com Send commands to lists...@ill.fr eg: HELP as the subject with no body text The Rietveld_L list archive is on http://www.mail-archive.com/rietveld_l@ill.fr/ ++ ++ Please do NOT attach files to the whole list alan.he...@neutronoptics.com Send commands to lists...@ill.fr eg: HELP as the subject with no body text The Rietveld_L list archive is on http://www.mail-archive.com/rietveld_l@ill.fr/ ++
RE: Cyberstar hot air blowers
Complaining about the cost of small Swiss companies is not appropriate on the Rietveld list ☺ On Facebook it would be automatically censored by BB … I have the same heater, and once you calibrate it is quite stable and precise. Destroying the samples is more expensive in the industry than in our labs … Radovan Cerny Laboratoire de Cristallographie, DQMP Université de Genève 24, quai Ernest-Ansermet CH-1211 Geneva 4, Switzerland Phone : [+[41] 22] 37 964 50, FAX : [+[41] 22] 37 961 08 mailto : radovan.ce...@unige.ch URL: http://www.unige.ch/sciences/crystal/cerny/rcerny.htm De : alan.he...@gmail.com [mailto:alan.he...@gmail.com] De la part de Alan Hewat Envoyé : vendredi 3 juillet 2015 12:15 À : Yaroslav Filinchuk UCL Cc : SAJ Kimber; rietveld_l@ill.fr Objet : Re: Cyberstar hot air blowers 2000 CHF? Precise temperature control is essential since often you will want to work near transitions where you risk destroying your sample. That also costs. _ From my mobile telephone Dr Alan Hewat, NeutronOptics, Grenoble, FRANCE alan.he...@neutronoptics.commailto:alan.he...@neutronoptics.com +33.476.98.41.68 http://www.NeutronOptics.com/hewat _ On 3 Jul 2015 11:38, Yaroslav Filinchuk UCL yaroslav.filinc...@uclouvain.bemailto:yaroslav.filinc...@uclouvain.be wrote: Hello Simon, we are successfully using a programmable hot air blower (25-750°C) called Le Mini Sensor Kit 800, from the Swiss company Leister. It costs about 2000 CHF, and is aimed at the industrial use. It allows to do ramps, it follows the protocol very closely, but the temperatures and real ramp rates have to be calibrated. Best regards, Yaroslav Friday, July 3, 2015, 10:38:50 AM, you wrote: Dear All, Sorry not a direct Rietveld question, but I hope somebody can help : ) We often use high temperature (RT - 1000 C) gas blowers at ESRF for their flexibility and low background. Those made by Cyberstar seem to have become prohibitively expensive. Does anyone know of a competing supplier? best wishes, Simon -- - Dr. Simon A.J. Kimber European Synchrotron Radiation Facility, 71 Avenue des Martyrs, 38000 Grenoble, France. 0033 (0)47688 2773 ++ Please do NOT attach files to the whole list alan.he...@neutronoptics.commailto:alan.he...@neutronoptics.com Send commands to lists...@ill.frmailto:lists...@ill.fr eg: HELP as the subject with no body text The Rietveld_L list archive is on http://www.mail-archive.com/rietveld_l@ill.fr/ ++ ++ Please do NOT attach files to the whole list alan.he...@neutronoptics.com Send commands to lists...@ill.fr eg: HELP as the subject with no body text The Rietveld_L list archive is on http://www.mail-archive.com/rietveld_l@ill.fr/ ++
Re: Cyberstar hot air blowers
Title: Re: Cyberstar hot air blowers It is a complete system. Yaroslav Friday, July 3, 2015, 1:02:55 PM, you wrote: I was not complaining about the cost, just questioning what was quoted - only two thousand CHF ? Does that include a precise temperature controller - or just the hot air ? _ From my mobile telephone Dr Alan Hewat, NeutronOptics, Grenoble, FRANCE alan.he...@neutronoptics.com +33.476.98.41.68 http://www.NeutronOptics.com/hewat _ On 3 Jul 2015 12:52, "Radovan Cerny" radovan.ce...@unige.ch wrote: Complaining about the cost of small Swiss companies is not appropriate on the Rietveld listJ On Facebook it would be automatically censored by BB … I have the same heater, and once you calibrate it is quite stable and precise. Destroying the samples is more expensive in the industry than in our labs … Radovan Cerny Laboratoire de Cristallographie, DQMP Université de Genève 24, quai Ernest-Ansermet CH-1211 Geneva 4, Switzerland Phone : [+[41] 22] 37 964 50, FAX : [+[41] 22] 37 961 08 mailto :radovan.ce...@unige.ch URL :http://www.unige.ch/sciences/crystal/cerny/rcerny.htm De :alan.he...@gmail.com[mailto:alan.he...@gmail.com]De la part deAlan Hewat Envoyé :vendredi 3 juillet 2015 12:15 À :Yaroslav Filinchuk UCL Cc :SAJ Kimber;rietveld_l@ill.fr Objet :Re: Cyberstar hot air blowers 2000 CHF? Precise temperature control is essential since often you will want to work near transitions where you risk destroying your sample. That also costs. _ From my mobile telephone Dr Alan Hewat, NeutronOptics, Grenoble, FRANCE alan.he...@neutronoptics.com +33.476.98.41.68 http://www.NeutronOptics.com/hewat _ On 3 Jul 2015 11:38, "Yaroslav Filinchuk UCL" yaroslav.filinc...@uclouvain.be wrote: Hello Simon, we are successfully using a programmable hot air blower (25-750°C) called Le Mini Sensor Kit 800, from the Swiss company Leister. It costs about 2000 CHF, and is aimed at the industrial use. It allows to do ramps, it follows the protocol very closely, but the temperatures and real ramp rates have to be calibrated. Best regards, Yaroslav Friday, July 3, 2015, 10:38:50 AM, you wrote: Dear All, Sorry not a direct Rietveld question, but I hope somebody can help : ) We often use high temperature (RT - 1000 C) gas blowers at ESRF for their flexibility and low background. Those made by Cyberstar seem to have become prohibitively expensive. Does anyone know of a competing supplier? best wishes, Simon -- - Dr. Simon A.J. Kimber European Synchrotron Radiation Facility, 71 Avenue des Martyrs, 38000 Grenoble, France. 0033 (0)47688 2773 ++ Please do NOT attach files to the whole list alan.he...@neutronoptics.com Send commands to lists...@ill.fr eg: HELP as the subject with no body text The Rietveld_L list archive is onhttp://www.mail-archive.com/rietveld_l@ill.fr/ ++ ++ Please do NOT attach files to the whole list alan.he...@neutronoptics.com Send commands to lists...@ill.fr eg: HELP as the subject with no body text The Rietveld_L list archive is on http://www.mail-archive.com/rietveld_l@ill.fr/ ++
RE: Cyberstar hot air blowers
I was not complaining about the cost, just questioning what was quoted - only two thousand CHF ? Does that include a precise temperature controller - or just the hot air ? _ From my mobile telephone Dr Alan Hewat, NeutronOptics, Grenoble, FRANCE alan.he...@neutronoptics.com +33.476.98.41.68 http://www.NeutronOptics.com/hewat _ On 3 Jul 2015 12:52, Radovan Cerny radovan.ce...@unige.ch wrote: Complaining about the cost of small Swiss companies is not appropriate on the Rietveld list J On Facebook it would be automatically censored by BB … I have the same heater, and once you calibrate it is quite stable and precise. Destroying the samples is more expensive in the industry than in our labs … Radovan Cerny Laboratoire de Cristallographie, DQMP Université de Genève 24, quai Ernest-Ansermet CH-1211 Geneva 4, Switzerland Phone : [+[41] 22] 37 964 50, FAX : [+[41] 22] 37 961 08 mailto : radovan.ce...@unige.ch URL: http://www.unige.ch/sciences/crystal/cerny/rcerny.htm *De :* alan.he...@gmail.com [mailto:alan.he...@gmail.com] *De la part de* Alan Hewat *Envoyé :* vendredi 3 juillet 2015 12:15 *À :* Yaroslav Filinchuk UCL *Cc :* SAJ Kimber; rietveld_l@ill.fr *Objet :* Re: Cyberstar hot air blowers 2000 CHF? Precise temperature control is essential since often you will want to work near transitions where you risk destroying your sample. That also costs. _ From my mobile telephone Dr Alan Hewat, NeutronOptics, Grenoble, FRANCE alan.he...@neutronoptics.com +33.476.98.41.68 http://www.NeutronOptics.com/hewat _ On 3 Jul 2015 11:38, Yaroslav Filinchuk UCL yaroslav.filinc...@uclouvain.be wrote: Hello Simon, we are successfully using a programmable hot air blower (25-750°C) called Le Mini Sensor Kit 800, from the Swiss company Leister. It costs about 2000 CHF, and is aimed at the industrial use. It allows to do ramps, it follows the protocol very closely, but the temperatures and real ramp rates have to be calibrated. Best regards, Yaroslav Friday, July 3, 2015, 10:38:50 AM, you wrote: Dear All, Sorry not a direct Rietveld question, but I hope somebody can help : ) We often use high temperature (RT - 1000 C) gas blowers at ESRF for their flexibility and low background. Those made by Cyberstar seem to have become prohibitively expensive. Does anyone know of a competing supplier? best wishes, Simon -- - Dr. Simon A.J. Kimber European Synchrotron Radiation Facility, 71 Avenue des Martyrs, 38000 Grenoble, France. 0033 (0)47688 2773 ++ Please do NOT attach files to the whole list alan.he...@neutronoptics.com Send commands to lists...@ill.fr eg: HELP as the subject with no body text The Rietveld_L list archive is on http://www.mail-archive.com/rietveld_l@ill.fr/ ++ ++ Please do NOT attach files to the whole list alan.he...@neutronoptics.com Send commands to lists...@ill.fr eg: HELP as the subject with no body text The Rietveld_L list archive is on http://www.mail-archive.com/rietveld_l@ill.fr/ ++
Re: Cyberstar hot air blowers
Hi Complaining about the cost of small French companies (or even large international companies :-) is not appropriate on the Rietveld list. in particular in this case since the air blower designed by the small french company can only be purchased through the 'big company which got the license Dr. FAUTH Francois Experiments Division CELLS - ALBAhttp://www.cells.es Carretera BP 1413 Km 3.3 08290 Cerdanyola del Vallès, Barcelona (Spain) Phone/Fax +34 93 592 4325 / +34 93 592 4301 On 7/3/2015 11:17 AM, Alan Hewat wrote: I think Simon is simply asking for recommendations of hot air blowers. Complaining about the cost of small French companies (or even large international companies :-) is not appropriate on the Rietveld list. Alan. On 3 July 2015 at 10:38, SAJ Kimber kim...@esrf.fr mailto:kim...@esrf.fr wrote: Dear All, Sorry not a direct Rietveld question, but I hope somebody can help : ) We often use high temperature (RT - 1000 C) gas blowers at ESRF for their flexibility and low background. Those made by Cyberstar seem to have become prohibitively expensive. Does anyone know of a competing supplier? best wishes, Simon -- - Dr. Simon A.J. Kimber European Synchrotron Radiation Facility, 71 Avenue des Martyrs, 38000 Grenoble, France. 0033 (0)47688 2773 ++ Please do NOT attach files to the whole list alan.he...@neutronoptics.com Send commands to lists...@ill.fr mailto:lists...@ill.fr eg: HELP as the subject with no body text The Rietveld_L list archive is on http://www.mail-archive.com/rietveld_l@ill.fr/ ++ -- __ * Dr Alan Hewat, NeutronOptics, Grenoble, FRANCE * alan.he...@neutronoptics.com +33.476.98.41.68 http://www.NeutronOptics.com/hewat __ ++ Please do NOT attach files to the whole list alan.he...@neutronoptics.com Send commands to lists...@ill.fr eg: HELP as the subject with no body text The Rietveld_L list archive is on http://www.mail-archive.com/rietveld_l@ill.fr/ ++
RE: Cyberstar hot air blowers
I bought Leister Mini a couple of years ago. It is a complete system (excluding an air supply) for around 2500 CHF purchased here. It doesn't blow a lot of hot air, but more than enough to heat up a capillary. The TC is not particularly sophisticated either, and i don't think has the option of external control (i could be wrong on that though). But it does a good job for a cheap all-in-one unit. I also looked at these http://www.sylvania.com/en-us/products/air-heaters/process-air-heaters/Pages/series-i-ii-iii.aspx, but then a separate TC is needed. One thing i did notice when i was looking was that getting above 800C the choices thin out a lot, and the Cyberstar is the only one i found that goes over 900C. jools From: alan.he...@gmail.com [alan.he...@gmail.com] on behalf of Alan Hewat [alan.he...@neutronoptics.com] Sent: 03 July 2015 13:02 To: Radovan Cerny Cc: SAJ Kimber; rietveld_l@ill.fr; Yaroslav Filinchuk UCL Subject: RE: Cyberstar hot air blowers I was not complaining about the cost, just questioning what was quoted - only two thousand CHF ? Does that include a precise temperature controller - or just the hot air ? _ From my mobile telephone Dr Alan Hewat, NeutronOptics, Grenoble, FRANCE alan.he...@neutronoptics.com +33.476.98.41.68 http://www.NeutronOptics.com/hewat _ On 3 Jul 2015 12:52, Radovan Cerny radovan.ce...@unige.chmailto:radovan.ce...@unige.ch wrote: Complaining about the cost of small Swiss companies is not appropriate on the Rietveld list :) On Facebook it would be automatically censored by BB … I have the same heater, and once you calibrate it is quite stable and precise. Destroying the samples is more expensive in the industry than in our labs … Radovan Cerny Laboratoire de Cristallographie, DQMP Université de Genève 24, quai Ernest-Ansermet CH-1211 Geneva 4, Switzerland Phone : [+[41] 22] 37 964 50, FAX : [+[41] 22] 37 961 08 mailto : radovan.ce...@unige.chmailto:radovan.ce...@unige.ch URL: http://www.unige.ch/sciences/crystal/cerny/rcerny.htm De : alan.he...@gmail.commailto:alan.he...@gmail.com [mailto:alan.he...@gmail.commailto:alan.he...@gmail.com] De la part de Alan Hewat Envoyé : vendredi 3 juillet 2015 12:15 À : Yaroslav Filinchuk UCL Cc : SAJ Kimber; rietveld_l@ill.frmailto:rietveld_l@ill.fr Objet : Re: Cyberstar hot air blowers 2000 CHF? Precise temperature control is essential since often you will want to work near transitions where you risk destroying your sample. That also costs. _ From my mobile telephone Dr Alan Hewat, NeutronOptics, Grenoble, FRANCE alan.he...@neutronoptics.commailto:alan.he...@neutronoptics.com +33.476.98.41.68 http://www.NeutronOptics.com/hewat _ On 3 Jul 2015 11:38, Yaroslav Filinchuk UCL yaroslav.filinc...@uclouvain.bemailto:yaroslav.filinc...@uclouvain.be wrote: Hello Simon, we are successfully using a programmable hot air blower (25-750°C) called Le Mini Sensor Kit 800, from the Swiss company Leister. It costs about 2000 CHF, and is aimed at the industrial use. It allows to do ramps, it follows the protocol very closely, but the temperatures and real ramp rates have to be calibrated. Best regards, Yaroslav Friday, July 3, 2015, 10:38:50 AM, you wrote: Dear All, Sorry not a direct Rietveld question, but I hope somebody can help : ) We often use high temperature (RT - 1000 C) gas blowers at ESRF for their flexibility and low background. Those made by Cyberstar seem to have become prohibitively expensive. Does anyone know of a competing supplier? best wishes, Simon -- - Dr. Simon A.J. Kimber European Synchrotron Radiation Facility, 71 Avenue des Martyrs, 38000 Grenoble, France. 0033 (0)47688 2773 ++ Please do NOT attach files to the whole list alan.he...@neutronoptics.commailto:alan.he...@neutronoptics.com Send commands to lists...@ill.frmailto:lists...@ill.fr eg: HELP as the subject with no body text The Rietveld_L list archive is on http://www.mail-archive.com/rietveld_l@ill.fr/ ++ ++ Please do NOT attach files to the whole list alan.he...@neutronoptics.com Send commands to lists...@ill.fr eg: HELP as the subject with no body text The Rietveld_L list archive is on http://www.mail-archive.com/rietveld_l@ill.fr/ ++
