Re: [RDD] Understanding Fade-UP and Fade-Down markers

2021-10-28 Thread Fred Gleason
On Oct 27, 2021, at 22:52, Chuck  wrote:

> Adding a +1 for this comment.  I am no longer in the commercial end of the 
> business, but rather, with a non-comm; however, I would think the fade up and 
> down ability is more important than ever.  The 2 biggest radio chains 
> operating in town have eliminated the job of production director and the 
> production studios are no longer maintained with their switch to contract 
> engineers, who are only called when something in the main studio dies 
> completely.  Whereas the production director used to comb and massage every 
> bit of audio that was carted, including the segue cue at a cart’s end, audio 
> is now added with no production pre-prep at all.
> 
> In fact, we do not have a production department, either.  We don’t play the 
> count-off or extraneous studio talk prior to the musical start of any song 
> (except for “Daydream Believer”), and we fade out of any applause quickly.  
> All that is done with the fade up and down markers.  I would think with the 
> contraction of jobs in commercial radio the ability to fade within Rivendell 
> would be more important today than in the past, when everything on-air, first 
> passed through a production department.

Some very helpful comments! The original Rivendell design (ca. almost twenty 
years ago, yeeks!) did indeed explicitly posit the preproduction of all 
elements before they were loaded into the automation. Sadly though, your 
experience does seem to have become the mainstream reality in many facilities 
today.

Cheers!


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Re: [RDD] Understanding Fade-UP and Fade-Down markers

2021-10-28 Thread Alejandro olivan Alvarez


On 10/28/21 4:52 AM, Chuck wrote:

On Mo, 25 Oct 2021 10:11:02 -0700
Mike Carroll mailto:druidl...@gmail.com>> wrote:

To add to Fred's comments about the Fades: Ideally a station would modify
their songs for trims, fades, and levels before they are brought into
Rivendell. So the only thing the playback system would need to know about
is segue points.  However, that's a lot of work for us small stations, so
we take the easier way out and use the RDLibrary controls.


Adding a +1 for this comment.  I am no longer in the commercial end of 
the business, but rather, with a non-comm; however, I would think the 
fade up and down ability is more important than ever.  The 2 biggest 
radio chains operating in town have eliminated the job of production 
director and the production studios are no longer maintained with 
their switch to contract engineers, who are only called when something 
in the main studio dies completely.  Whereas the production director 
used to comb and massage every bit of audio that was carted, including 
the segue cue at a cart’s end, audio is now added with no production 
pre-prep at all.


Although out of original topic... this comment has caught very much my 
attention.


I don't work, directly (although I do indirectly, since I'm in charge of 
cloud/networking operations, mostly streaming services) with/for radio 
stations, but my colleagues of the automation-systems do... and I'm very 
much interested in their talks and experiences, and, from quite a long 
time, an important part of their comments go in that direction: costs 
saving via maximize efficiency, being a main way to achieve that by 
moving from more, specialized job profiles, to less, more flexible 
profiles paired with more automated/integrable/flexible tools... and 
this is having a HUGE impact in the radio automation market (AFAIK, here 
in Spain and parts of Latin America... some rumours of France somehow 
the same)


And that puts the radio automation system right on the spot, more 
specifically, the INTEGRATED MULTI-TRACK EDITOR feature... to the point 
that a few EU companies here (AEQ, Dalet, XFrame) along with RCS and 
OmniPlayer are getting the upper hand (with competitors such Hardata 
rushing to implement that) with contracts falling by absence/presence of 
that fancy feature. I barely know about it but it seems that it allows 
changing internal workflows, thus, enabling job cuts  is that the 
trend around?


Best regards.



In fact, we do not have a production department, either.  We don’t 
play the count-off or extraneous studio talk prior to the musical 
start of any song (except for “Daydream Believer”), and we fade out of 
any applause quickly.  All that is done with the fade up and down 
markers.  I would think with the contraction of jobs in commercial 
radio the ability to fade within Rivendell would be more important 
today than in the past, when everything on-air, first passed through a 
production department.


--Chuck

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