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Re: [RDD] Mailing list - future directions

2022-10-06 Thread Steve

I typically advocate for open platforms vs. closed platforms, especially for 
communication around open source projects.  I've seen too many projects and 
groups lose all of their archives because the provider goes away or is 
acquired.  And that doesn't even account for walled gardens like fb which are 
never a good idea because of the exclusionary practices and the walls that 
prevent search engines from finding them.  I don't know enough about 
groups.io to know if they allow bots to crawl so that answers can be found 
later, like they can on the current mailing list.  But I have no visibility 
into any groups on facebook so then the same communication needs to be put in 
multiple places which is suboptimal and time-wasting.

There are things that can be done for mailman-based mailing lists to make them 
work with the idiocy of Google and Microsoft email policies.  I 
encountered the same issue with MS blocking emails because people kept marking 
them as spam even though they signed up for the list and never even 
attempted clicking Unsubscribe.  But, as was stated already: That's an admin 
thing that takes focus away from being productive elsewhere.

Steve

On Thu, Oct 06, 2022 at 11:21:58AM -0400, Rob Landry wrote:
> 
> I have always refused to use Facebook.
> 
> If you must move to a non-email platform, a Web-based solution would be
> preferable.
> 
> In the best of all possible worlds, I'd like to see people affected by
> Google's attempt to monopolize email simply drop Google and move to another
> email provider.
> 
> 
> Rob
> 
> -- 
> umar@python:~$ more stinking bills
> more: stat of stinking failed: No such file or directory
> more: stat of bills failed: No such file or directory
> 
> On Sun, 2 Oct 2022, Fred Gleason wrote:
> 
> > Howdy Folks:
> > Many of you here (especially those whose e-mail is delivered by via 
> > accounts hosted by Google) have likely noticed
> > that the reliability of messages from this listserv has taken a significant 
> > nosedive over the past several months.
> > After ~20 years of self-hosting this list and (for the past several months) 
> > spending many, many hours wrestling with
> > obscure and intermittent bounces generated by Google’s MTAs, I’ve come to 
> > the conclusion that it’s time to move this
> > service to a provider that has the requisite skills and resources to manage 
> > it in the “Google age”. Our options appear
> > to be:
> > 
> > 1) Host the existing list with a commercial company. 
> > 
> > 2) Move to a “non-commercial" existing listserv that has the available 
> > capacity and would be willing to take it on
> > —e.g. an ‘edu’ type institution.
> > 
> > 3) Move to some other, non-email based service (the FB Rivendell group is 
> > one that has come up as a possibility).
> > 
> > WRT option 1), I’ve done some shopping around and found none with the 
> > needed functionality that would at the same time
> > be affordable (really trying to avoid advertisement-based models).
> > 
> > I’m open to ideas regarding the possibilities.
> > 
> > Cheers!
> > 
> > 
> > |-|
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> > 
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Re: [RDD] Mailing list - future directions

2022-10-06 Thread David Henderson

I was going to suggest stopping using Gmail too ! Ha ha ha

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On 06/10/2022 16:21, Rob Landry wrote:

I have always refused to use Facebook.

If you must move to a non-email platform, a Web-based solution would
be preferable.

In the best of all possible worlds, I'd like to see people affected by
Google's attempt to monopolize email simply drop Google and move to
another email provider.

Rob

--
umar@python:~$ more stinking bills
more: stat of stinking failed: No such file or directory
more: stat of bills failed: No such file or directory

On Sun, 2 Oct 2022, Fred Gleason wrote:

Howdy Folks:
Many of you here (especially those whose e-mail is delivered by via
accounts hosted by Google) have likely noticed
that the reliability of messages from this listserv has taken a
significant nosedive over the past several months.
After ~20 years of self-hosting this list and (for the past several
months) spending many, many hours wrestling with
obscure and intermittent bounces generated by Google’s MTAs, I’ve come
to the conclusion that it’s time to move this
service to a provider that has the requisite skills and resources to
manage it in the “Google age”. Our options appear

to be:

1) Host the existing list with a commercial company.

2) Move to a “non-commercial" existing listserv that has the available
capacity and would be willing to take it on

—e.g. an ‘edu’ type institution.

3) Move to some other, non-email based service (the FB Rivendell group
is one that has come up as a possibility).

WRT option 1), I’ve done some shopping around and found none with the
needed functionality that would at the same time

be affordable (really trying to avoid advertisement-based models).

I’m open to ideas regarding the possibilities.

Cheers!

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Re: [RDD] Mailing list - future directions

2022-10-06 Thread Rob Landry

I have always refused to use Facebook.

If you must move to a non-email platform, a Web-based solution would be
preferable.

In the best of all possible worlds, I'd like to see people affected by
Google's attempt to monopolize email simply drop Google and move to
another email provider.

Rob

--
umar@python:~$ more stinking bills
more: stat of stinking failed: No such file or directory
more: stat of bills failed: No such file or directory

On Sun, 2 Oct 2022, Fred Gleason wrote:

Howdy Folks:
Many of you here (especially those whose e-mail is delivered by via accounts
hosted by Google) have likely noticed
that the reliability of messages from this listserv has taken a significant
nosedive over the past several months.
After ~20 years of self-hosting this list and (for the past several months)
spending many, many hours wrestling with
obscure and intermittent bounces generated by Google’s MTAs, I’ve come to the
conclusion that it’s time to move this
service to a provider that has the requisite skills and resources to manage it
in the “Google age”. Our options appear
to be:

1) Host the existing list with a commercial company.

2) Move to a “non-commercial" existing listserv that has the available capacity
and would be willing to take it on
—e.g. an ‘edu’ type institution.

3) Move to some other, non-email based service (the FB Rivendell group is one
that has come up as a possibility).

WRT option 1), I’ve done some shopping around and found none with the needed
functionality that would at the same time
be affordable (really trying to avoid advertisement-based models).

I’m open to ideas regarding the possibilities.

Cheers!

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Re: [RDD] Mailing list - future directions

2022-10-03 Thread Rich Stivers

Fred:

I vote for Groups.io. Beside the previously mentioned benefits,
Groups.io allows attachments. I would pay a reasonable price as well.

Rich Stivers
KKUP-FM, Cupertino/San Jose CA

On 10/2/2022 19:55, Martin Flynn wrote:

Fred,

Groups.io seems to be the go-to at the moment.

+1 on David K's comment - would be willing to pay a reasonable ammount

Martin

On 10/2/2022 10:41 PM, David Klann wrote:

On 10/2/22 18:43, wa7skg wrote:

free model for small and non-profit groups, and various tiers of paid
service depending on your needs. You can have public and private
groups,

sub groups, various moderation levels and other features.

I manage half a dozen groups myself. I would encourage you to look into
it. Personally, I find it far superior to Google Groups and the old
Yahoo Groups platforms.

Michael

+1 for groups.io. I would contribute actual money for a paid
subscription to groups.io. Oh! I just checked my groups.io account --
I am (and 4 other users are) already subscribed to "Rivendell". List
owner appears to be someone named "Jim W7RY". Jim are you listening
here?

Per option #3, I heartily urge avoiding yet another facebook group as
an email-based listserv replacement. I also urge consideration of
Matrix (matrix.org) as an alternative to email. I just created
#rivendell:matrix.org It's a public Matrix room which means anyone
can join and post messages.

I'm eager to see what comes of this discussion!

~David Klann

Fred Gleason wrote on 10/2/22 1:13 PM:

Howdy Folks:

the past several months) spending many, many hours wrestling with
obscure and intermittent bounces generated by Google’s MTAs, I’ve come
to the conclusion that it’s time to move this service to a provider
that
has the requisite skills and resources to manage it in the “Google
age”.

Our options appear to be:

1) Host the existing list with a commercial company.

2) Move to a “non-commercial" existing listserv that has the available
capacity and would be willing to take it on —e.g. an ‘edu’ type
institution.

3) Move to some other, non-email based service (the FB Rivendell group
is one that has come up as a possibility).

WRT option 1), I’ve done some shopping around and found none with the
needed functionality that would at the same time be affordable (really
trying to avoid advertisement-based models).

I’m open to ideas regarding the possibilities.

Cheers!

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|

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Re: [RDD] Mailing list - future directions

2022-10-03 Thread Fred Gleason

On Oct 2, 2022, at 22:41, David Klann  wrote:

> +1 for groups.io . I would contribute actual money for a 
> paid subscription to groups.io . Oh! I just checked my 
> groups.io account -- I am (and 4 other users are) already 
> subscribed to "Rivendell". List owner appears to be someone named "Jim W7RY". 
> Jim are you listening here?

‘Kay, I just joined that list and sent them a copy of my original post from 
yesterday (cross-posted here as well). Let’s see what happens…

Cheers!


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[RDD] Mailing list - future directions

2022-10-03 Thread Fred Gleason

Greetings Rivendell Folks!

My apologies for the cross-posting and repetition. Those of us the 
Rivendell-Dev listserv has been having some discussions about possible 
replacements for our GNU Mailman-based system (for reasons that will be obvious 
in the appended message), and the ‘rivend...@groups.io’ list came up. Might you 
folks be interested in taking on the role? Appended is the original post that 
got the discussion rolling:

*** snip snip ***
Howdy Folks:

Many of you here (especially those whose e-mail is delivered by via accounts 
hosted by Google) have likely noticed that the reliability of messages from 
this listserv has taken a significant nosedive over the past several months. 
After ~20 years of self-hosting this list and (for the past several months) 
spending many, many hours wrestling with obscure and intermittent bounces 
generated by Google’s MTAs, I’ve come to the conclusion that it’s time to move 
this service to a provider that has the requisite skills and resources to 
manage it in the “Google age”. Our options appear to be:

1) Host the existing list with a commercial company. 

2) Move to a “non-commercial" existing listserv that has the available capacity 
and would be willing to take it on —e.g. an ‘edu’ type institution.

3) Move to some other, non-email based service (the FB Rivendell group is one 
that has come up as a possibility).

WRT option 1), I’ve done some shopping around and found none with the needed 
functionality that would at the same time be affordable (really trying to avoid 
advertisement-based models).

I’m open to ideas regarding the possibilities.

Cheers!


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|   | Paravel Systems |
|-|
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| |
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Re: [RDD] Mailing list - future directions

2022-10-02 Thread Martin Flynn

Fred,

Groups.io seems to be the go-to at the moment.

+1 on David K's comment - would be willing to pay a reasonable ammount

Martin

On 10/2/2022 10:41 PM, David Klann wrote:

On 10/2/22 18:43, wa7skg wrote:

I subscribe to over 50 ham radio, broadcast, and other activity related
forums on groups.io. It seems to be a fairly robust system, has a
calendar, file storage area, self-subscribe/unsubscribe, searchable
archives, flexible delivery, email and web based access, etc. There is a
free model for small and non-profit groups, and various tiers of paid
service depending on your needs. You can have public and private groups,
sub groups, various moderation levels and other features.

I manage half a dozen groups myself. I would encourage you to look into
it. Personally, I find it far superior to Google Groups and the old
Yahoo Groups platforms.

Michael

I'm eager to see what comes of this discussion!

~David Klann

Fred Gleason wrote on 10/2/22 1:13 PM:

Howdy Folks:

Many of you here (especially those whose e-mail is delivered by via
accounts hosted by Google) have likely noticed that the reliability of
messages from this listserv has taken a significant nosedive over the
past several months. After ~20 years of self-hosting this list and (for
the past several months) spending many, many hours wrestling with
obscure and intermittent bounces generated by Google’s MTAs, I’ve come
to the conclusion that it’s time to move this service to a provider
that
has the requisite skills and resources to manage it in the “Google
age”.

Our options appear to be:

1) Host the existing list with a commercial company.

2) Move to a “non-commercial" existing listserv that has the available
capacity and would be willing to take it on —e.g. an ‘edu’ type
institution.

3) Move to some other, non-email based service (the FB Rivendell group
is one that has come up as a possibility).

WRT option 1), I’ve done some shopping around and found none with the
needed functionality that would at the same time be affordable (really
trying to avoid advertisement-based models).

I’m open to ideas regarding the possibilities.

Cheers!

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Re: [RDD] Mailing list - future directions

2022-10-02 Thread wa7skg

I manage half a dozen groups myself. I would encourage you to look into
it. Personally, I find it far superior to Google Groups and the old
Yahoo Groups platforms.

Michael

Fred Gleason wrote on 10/2/22 1:13 PM:

Howdy Folks:

Many of you here (especially those whose e-mail is delivered by via
accounts hosted by Google) have likely noticed that the reliability of
messages from this listserv has taken a significant nosedive over the
past several months. After ~20 years of self-hosting this list and (for
the past several months) spending many, many hours wrestling with
obscure and intermittent bounces generated by Google’s MTAs, I’ve come
to the conclusion that it’s time to move this service to a provider that
has the requisite skills and resources to manage it in the “Google age”.
Our options appear to be:

1) Host the existing list with a commercial company.

2) Move to a “non-commercial" existing listserv that has the available
capacity and would be willing to take it on —e.g. an ‘edu’ type institution.

3) Move to some other, non-email based service (the FB Rivendell group
is one that has come up as a possibility).

WRT option 1), I’ve done some shopping around and found none with the
needed functionality that would at the same time be affordable (really
trying to avoid advertisement-based models).

I’m open to ideas regarding the possibilities.

Cheers!

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[RDD] Mailing list - future directions

2022-10-02 Thread Fred Gleason

Howdy Folks:

Many of you here (especially those whose e-mail is delivered by via accounts 
hosted by Google) have likely noticed that the reliability of messages from 
this listserv has taken a significant nosedive over the past several months. 
After ~20 years of self-hosting this list and (for the past several months) 
spending many, many hours wrestling with obscure and intermittent bounces 
generated by Google’s MTAs, I’ve come to the conclusion that it’s time to move 
this service to a provider that has the requisite skills and resources to 
manage it in the “Google age”. Our options appear to be:

1) Host the existing list with a commercial company. 

2) Move to a “non-commercial" existing listserv that has the available capacity 
and would be willing to take it on —e.g. an ‘edu’ type institution.

3) Move to some other, non-email based service (the FB Rivendell group is one 
that has come up as a possibility).

WRT option 1), I’ve done some shopping around and found none with the needed 
functionality that would at the same time be affordable (really trying to avoid 
advertisement-based models).

I’m open to ideas regarding the possibilities.

Cheers!


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