Re: [RDD] RDAirplay vu meter
BTW. Thats my playout setup. I have to record a mp3 for the playoutsystem of the local radiostation. You can see the input amp settings... https://cloud.schwoon.info/index.php/s/M47geaKp7gFz4LN Am 07.12.2018 18:17, schrieb Gabriele Fergola: > yeah i know, > but if I'm going to amplify the input sone noise start to come out and i need > to increase also the noise gate. > > stereo tool is doing a good job also with -13dB in input just some advice the > input can be too low :D > > Regards > Gabriele > > Il giorno ven 7 dic 2018 alle ore 18:00 Schwoon, newsletter > ha scritto: > > In stereotool you can amplify the input very easy... > > Am 07.12.2018 16:53, schrieb Gabriele Fergola: > Hello, > at the moment my test systems are all digital audio linked via Jackd > > and how audio processor I'm using stereo tool and in the input channel i have > -13dB how maximum input level > > Regards > Gabriele > > Il giorno ven 7 dic 2018 alle ore 14:49 Rob Landry <41001...@interpring.com> > ha scritto: > The choice of -13 dB is deliberate; it's 13 dB below absolute maximum (all > ones). > > What sound card are you using? Turm up the gain, or use a line amp if you > have to. Rivendell machines running tone at zero on the rdairplay meters > tend to be quite a bit lower than +4 dBm. > > Rob > > -- > Я там, где ребята толковые, > Я там, где плакаты "Вперёд", > Где песни рабочие новые > Страна трудовая поёт. > > On Fri, 7 Dec 2018, Gabriele Fergola wrote: > >> Helloi ahve a stupid question on vu meter in rdairplay. >> i normalized tracks at -13 dB and vu meter show me track volume so to 0 but >> in audio processor is -13dB. >> >> If i normalize tracks at -3dB i see vu metere in rdairplay goes over 0 >> almost near red zone but in audio processor i see the volume is -3 dB. >> >> Is the 0 on vu meter real 0 or is around -13dB? >> >> >> Sorry for the stupid question >> >> Gabriele >> >> > ___ > Rivendell-dev mailing list > Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org > http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] RDAirplay vu meter
In stereotool you can amplify the input very easy... Am 07.12.2018 16:53, schrieb Gabriele Fergola: > Hello, > at the moment my test systems are all digital audio linked via Jackd > > and how audio processor I'm using stereo tool and in the input channel i have > -13dB how maximum input level > > Regards > Gabriele > > Il giorno ven 7 dic 2018 alle ore 14:49 Rob Landry <41001...@interpring.com> > ha scritto: > >> The choice of -13 dB is deliberate; it's 13 dB below absolute maximum (all >> ones). >> >> What sound card are you using? Turm up the gain, or use a line amp if you >> have to. Rivendell machines running tone at zero on the rdairplay meters >> tend to be quite a bit lower than +4 dBm. >> >> Rob >> >> -- >> Я там, где ребята толковые, >> Я там, где плакаты "Вперёд", >> Где песни рабочие новые >> Страна трудовая поёт. >> >> On Fri, 7 Dec 2018, Gabriele Fergola wrote: >> >>> Helloi ahve a stupid question on vu meter in rdairplay. >>> i normalized tracks at -13 dB and vu meter show me track volume so to 0 but >>> in audio processor is -13dB. >>> >>> If i normalize tracks at -3dB i see vu metere in rdairplay goes over 0 >>> almost near red zone but in audio processor i see the volume is -3 dB. >>> >>> Is the 0 on vu meter real 0 or is around -13dB? >>> >>> >>> Sorry for the stupid question >>> >>> Gabriele >>> >>> > > ___ > Rivendell-dev mailing list > Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org > http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] RDAirplay vu meter
Fred, i'm using jackd to interconnect audio processor and rivendell Regards Gabriele Il giorno ven 7 dic 2018 alle ore 15:04 Fred Gleason < fr...@paravelsystems.com> ha scritto: > On Dec 7, 2018, at 08:49, Rob Landry <41001...@interpring.com> wrote: > > What sound card are you using? Turm up the gain, or use a line amp if you > have to. Rivendell machines running tone at zero on the rdairplay meters > tend to be quite a bit lower than +4 dBm. > > > True for ‘consumer’ (unbalanced) gear. Expect around -10 dBm for a tone at > ‘0’ level in Rivendell for those. > > OTOH, ASI cards with analog outputs will give you +4 dBm at that level > (unless you've tweaked the gain trim in rdadmin(1). > > Cheers! > > > |--| > | Frederick F. Gleason, Jr. | Chief Developer | > | | Paravel Systems | > |--| > | A room without books is like a body without a soul. | > | -- Cicero| > |--| > ___ > Rivendell-dev mailing list > Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org > http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev > ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] RDAirplay vu meter
Hello, at the moment my test systems are all digital audio linked via Jackd and how audio processor I'm using stereo tool and in the input channel i have -13dB how maximum input level Regards Gabriele Il giorno ven 7 dic 2018 alle ore 14:49 Rob Landry <41001...@interpring.com> ha scritto: > > The choice of -13 dB is deliberate; it's 13 dB below absolute maximum (all > ones). > > What sound card are you using? Turm up the gain, or use a line amp if you > have to. Rivendell machines running tone at zero on the rdairplay meters > tend to be quite a bit lower than +4 dBm. > > > Rob > > -- > Я там, где ребята толковые, > Я там, где плакаты "Вперёд", > Где песни рабочие новые > Страна трудовая поёт. > > On Fri, 7 Dec 2018, Gabriele Fergola wrote: > > > Helloi ahve a stupid question on vu meter in rdairplay. > > i normalized tracks at -13 dB and vu meter show me track volume so to 0 > but > > in audio processor is -13dB. > > > > If i normalize tracks at -3dB i see vu metere in rdairplay goes over 0 > > almost near red zone but in audio processor i see the volume is -3 dB. > > > > Is the 0 on vu meter real 0 or is around -13dB? > > > > > > Sorry for the stupid question > > > > Gabriele > > > > ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] RDAirplay vu meter
On Dec 7, 2018, at 08:49, Rob Landry <41001...@interpring.com> wrote: > What sound card are you using? Turm up the gain, or use a line amp if you > have to. Rivendell machines running tone at zero on the rdairplay meters tend > to be quite a bit lower than +4 dBm. True for ‘consumer’ (unbalanced) gear. Expect around -10 dBm for a tone at ‘0’ level in Rivendell for those. OTOH, ASI cards with analog outputs will give you +4 dBm at that level (unless you've tweaked the gain trim in rdadmin(1). Cheers! |--| | Frederick F. Gleason, Jr. | Chief Developer | | | Paravel Systems | |--| | A room without books is like a body without a soul. | | -- Cicero| |--|___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] RDAirplay vu meter
The choice of -13 dB is deliberate; it's 13 dB below absolute maximum (all ones). What sound card are you using? Turm up the gain, or use a line amp if you have to. Rivendell machines running tone at zero on the rdairplay meters tend to be quite a bit lower than +4 dBm. Rob -- Я там, где ребята толковые, Я там, где плакаты "Вперёд", Где песни рабочие новые Страна трудовая поёт. On Fri, 7 Dec 2018, Gabriele Fergola wrote: Helloi ahve a stupid question on vu meter in rdairplay. i normalized tracks at -13 dB and vu meter show me track volume so to 0 but in audio processor is -13dB. If i normalize tracks at -3dB i see vu metere in rdairplay goes over 0 almost near red zone but in audio processor i see the volume is -3 dB. Is the 0 on vu meter real 0 or is around -13dB? Sorry for the stupid question Gabriele ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] RDAirplay vu meter
Hello Cowboy, thanks for your explanation. I don't want clip or be loud i'm asking only because i see a discrepancy from my previous automation and rivendell. My previous when vu meter was to 0 also in audio processor was like that and that's all. I prefer to don't add amplifier in the chain to not introduce any noise. Anyway great explanation thanks again Regards Gabriele ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] RDAirplay vu meter
On Fri, 7 Dec 2018 12:09:43 +0100 Gabriele Fergola wrote: > Is the 0 on vu meter real 0 or is around -13dB? Your audio processor is showing you db below digital clip. ( clip is a catastrophic system failure ) Rivendell 0 is showing you the normal, sane operating standard adopted many years ago. It's actually 10 db higher than the historic standard built into analog consoles of my day. There's quite a bit in the archives about reference level. What's not there, just as FYI... In my day, reference level was based on a 400 hertz sign wave recorded on tape at a magnetic flux of 100 nano-webers. The AC voltage at the head depended on the head physics, and on the bias level recorded on the tape. Higher bias produces much better fidelity, but subtracts directly from dynamic range. The following amplifiers were calibrated to produce 0 reference level when that standard tape was played. Most normal audio had an apparent discrepancy with standard level of about four to one, so in order for an an operator striving to constantly maintain an average at 0, the amplifiers would need about 20 db or so of headroom to avoid clip. In analog, clip is annoying, but not catastrophic. Still, we're professionals, so please try to act like one ! Thus, standard level was generally about 20-26 db below the rails. The rail being the power supply voltage, and thus the absolute maximum instantaneous peak that could ever hope to be achieved, assuming the supply didn't sag. Attempting to run above standard to get "loud" is simply unprofessional, as well as risky dangerous to fidelity, ( opinion ) and stupid ! If you want loud, add an amplifier. That's what they do. -- Cowboy Grief is the Reminder that we Loved. And were Loved. ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
[RDD] RDAirplay vu meter
Hello i ahve a stupid question on vu meter in rdairplay. i normalized tracks at -13 dB and vu meter show me track volume so to 0 but in audio processor is -13dB. If i normalize tracks at -3dB i see vu metere in rdairplay goes over 0 almost near red zone but in audio processor i see the volume is -3 dB. Is the 0 on vu meter real 0 or is around -13dB? Sorry for the stupid question Gabriele ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
