Re: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu Joe
Youse two is startin' to sound a lot like us drugged out LibertariansJamie - Original Message - From: Joel Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 8:17 AM Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu 602 huh? (Now 614) I agree with you (Shiite!!) that the school systems are in need of one of them bridges built to those less fortunate. Interesting that you point out that we (although there is no 'we' in Federal Gubmint) spend $5-6000 a year in Federal dollars but then you also mention how the federal plutocracy wants to dictate what the schools can teach. Although I don't necessarily agree with it, the entity who pays for the education (the teacher's salary, the buildings, the expenses) can in fact dictate what is taught. Whoever holds the purse-strings gets to call the shots. Until the school systems are treated like a business and ran accordingly, we are in store for more of the same. As far as choosing what kind of education your child receives, you have that choice now: Moving to districts where the schools are better; sending your kids to private school and home-schooling are all valid options. What most people though are looking for are ways to have their children educated better, but at no direct cost to the parents. My opinion, differ with me if you like, is that it isn't the gubmint's responsibility to provide 'free' education to the mass population. If it is, then they get to dictate what is taught. If you, as a parent don't like it, fork over the money to move, send them to a private school or have one of the parents stay home and teach little Jimmy the A,B,C's. For schools to teach what the local parents want means the parents are going to have to pay for it. Having the parents pay $2-800 a month for their kids to be taught the way in which the parents feel is usually where the fight ends. (Talking about throwing money at a problem, I saw on the news where American troops were giving money to families (compensating them) who live in houses that were destroyed as part of the round-up of the bad guys. Wonder how much a clay and rock 3/2 rancher will fetch in a war-torn area with no electricity, water or roof?) And yes, there are millions of people who don't have running water. If that isn't the case, explain to me why the entire population of Tinnersee smells that way???:) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Goodson Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 8:25 PM To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu 602 huh? Interesting that we (the American gubmint) can globe-hop and re-build schools and make sure all these fine folks have running water while there are schools in THIS country that don't have enough money\space\teachers\supplies\etc. Whoa!!! I know you didn't just say / type that. Consider this. Throwing money at problems has never done anything other than make them worse. Consider poverty. We throw money at it and subsidize fatherless babies and viola! More fatherless babies born into poverty stricken pseudo families! Think about a drug addict or an alcoholic. Keep throwing money at them and see what you get. So when you think about education, think about the $5-6,000 that we spend in federal dollars on each student every year. You know, about 25% of the middleschool students cannot find the United States on a world map? Can you believe that? It is not due to a lack of money. It is due to a federal plutocracy that wants to dictate what the schools can teach, i.e.. Heather has Two Mommies and other such crap. If you have a class of 25 students at $5,000 a pop, then you have 5,000 X 25= $125,000.00. After you pay a teacher about $30,000.00 that leaves $95,000.00. WTF happens to all that cash? And that is just from ONE classroom. Multiply the school population by $5,000.00 and ask yourself why the hell we are cranking out a bunch of idiots that have to take remedial math courses upon signing up for college. They don't even teach History like they used to. Face it, the federal government needs to give Americans school vouchers so that they can choose what kind of education their children receive. Not to mention the millions of people who can't afford health care; who can't find decent housing; who don't have running water. OH puhlease! Do you actually think that there are MILLIONS of people in America without running water in their house? Joe There is a rank due to the United States, among nations, which will be withheld, if not absolutely lost, by the reputation of weakness. If we desire to avoid insult, we must be able to repel it; if we desire to secure peace, one of the most powerful instruments of our rising prosperity, it must be known that we are at all
RE: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu Joe
Don't forget about Tim, he has an opinion, although rarely valid. :) Since we can't agree on the Iraq issue (although I seem to be the only one left in the burning building), we need to find another topic to hash out. Ya know, since football is so un-controversial and all. So I'll offer my stance on a few issues and see if we can agree on anything: JoBu is pro-choice, pro-gun, anti-bussing. Let the gays marry (no one really cares what they do, but they're fun to watch). Anti-welfare (except for those really needing it), pro-nuclear power, anti-rodeo (surprise there huh?), semi-pro-pledge of allegiance, semi-anti-Ten Commandments in state\federal\public buildings (although I do like the movie), pro-Hooters, pro-death penalty, anti-instant replay, anti-dry ribs, anti-illegal aliens, anti-reparations (didcha see the article about the UofA professor who has uncovered that slaves helped build some of the buildings\worked for UofA and now he has developed a trial from them to their present day kinfolk and wants the UofA to make reparations???), pro-Michelin, anti-Goodyear. Pro-equal rights (but not the way the theory has declined into the actual practice), pro-excessive celebration in the endzone, anti-day games in 90 degree heat, anti-any game in BHAM, anti-prostate exam, pro-Starbucks. There. Who's next? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jamie Watts Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 8:29 AM To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Subject:Re: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu Joe Youse two is startin' to sound a lot like us drugged out LibertariansJamie - Original Message - From: Joel Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 8:17 AM Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu 602 huh? (Now 614) I agree with you (Shiite!!) that the school systems are in need of one of them bridges built to those less fortunate. Interesting that you point out that we (although there is no 'we' in Federal Gubmint) spend $5-6000 a year in Federal dollars but then you also mention how the federal plutocracy wants to dictate what the schools can teach. Although I don't necessarily agree with it, the entity who pays for the education (the teacher's salary, the buildings, the expenses) can in fact dictate what is taught. Whoever holds the purse-strings gets to call the shots. Until the school systems are treated like a business and ran accordingly, we are in store for more of the same. As far as choosing what kind of education your child receives, you have that choice now: Moving to districts where the schools are better; sending your kids to private school and home-schooling are all valid options. What most people though are looking for are ways to have their children educated better, but at no direct cost to the parents. My opinion, differ with me if you like, is that it isn't the gubmint's responsibility to provide 'free' education to the mass population. If it is, then they get to dictate what is taught. If you, as a parent don't like it, fork over the money to move, send them to a private school or have one of the parents stay home and teach little Jimmy the A,B,C's. For schools to teach what the local parents want means the parents are going to have to pay for it. Having the parents pay $2-800 a month for their kids to be taught the way in which the parents feel is usually where the fight ends. (Talking about throwing money at a problem, I saw on the news where American troops were giving money to families (compensating them) who live in houses that were destroyed as part of the round-up of the bad guys. Wonder how much a clay and rock 3/2 rancher will fetch in a war-torn area with no electricity, water or roof?) And yes, there are millions of people who don't have running water. If that isn't the case, explain to me why the entire population of Tinnersee smells that way???:) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Goodson Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 8:25 PM To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu 602 huh? Interesting that we (the American gubmint) can globe-hop and re-build schools and make sure all these fine folks have running water while there are schools in THIS country that don't have enough money\space\teachers\supplies\etc. Whoa!!! I know you didn't just say / type that. Consider this. Throwing money at problems has never done anything other than make them worse. Consider poverty. We throw money at it and subsidize fatherless babies and viola! More fatherless babies born into poverty stricken pseudo families! Think about a drug addict or an alcoholic. Keep throwing money at them and see what you get. So when you think about
Re: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu Joe
Libertariannow you just need to vote that wayJamie - Original Message - From: Joel Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 9:57 AM Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu Joe Don't forget about Tim, he has an opinion, although rarely valid. :) Since we can't agree on the Iraq issue (although I seem to be the only one left in the burning building), we need to find another topic to hash out. Ya know, since football is so un-controversial and all. So I'll offer my stance on a few issues and see if we can agree on anything: JoBu is pro-choice, pro-gun, anti-bussing. Let the gays marry (no one really cares what they do, but they're fun to watch). Anti-welfare (except for those really needing it), pro-nuclear power, anti-rodeo (surprise there huh?), semi-pro-pledge of allegiance, semi-anti-Ten Commandments in state\federal\public buildings (although I do like the movie), pro-Hooters, pro-death penalty, anti-instant replay, anti-dry ribs, anti-illegal aliens, anti-reparations (didcha see the article about the UofA professor who has uncovered that slaves helped build some of the buildings\worked for UofA and now he has developed a trial from them to their present day kinfolk and wants the UofA to make reparations???), pro-Michelin, anti-Goodyear. Pro-equal rights (but not the way the theory has declined into the actual practice), pro-excessive celebration in the endzone, anti-day games in 90 degree heat, anti-any game in BHAM, anti-prostate exam, pro-Starbucks. There. Who's next? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jamie Watts Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 8:29 AM To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu Joe Youse two is startin' to sound a lot like us drugged out LibertariansJamie - Original Message - From: Joel Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 8:17 AM Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu 602 huh? (Now 614) I agree with you (Shiite!!) that the school systems are in need of one of them bridges built to those less fortunate. Interesting that you point out that we (although there is no 'we' in Federal Gubmint) spend $5-6000 a year in Federal dollars but then you also mention how the federal plutocracy wants to dictate what the schools can teach. Although I don't necessarily agree with it, the entity who pays for the education (the teacher's salary, the buildings, the expenses) can in fact dictate what is taught. Whoever holds the purse-strings gets to call the shots. Until the school systems are treated like a business and ran accordingly, we are in store for more of the same. As far as choosing what kind of education your child receives, you have that choice now: Moving to districts where the schools are better; sending your kids to private school and home-schooling are all valid options. What most people though are looking for are ways to have their children educated better, but at no direct cost to the parents. My opinion, differ with me if you like, is that it isn't the gubmint's responsibility to provide 'free' education to the mass population. If it is, then they get to dictate what is taught. If you, as a parent don't like it, fork over the money to move, send them to a private school or have one of the parents stay home and teach little Jimmy the A,B,C's. For schools to teach what the local parents want means the parents are going to have to pay for it. Having the parents pay $2-800 a month for their kids to be taught the way in which the parents feel is usually where the fight ends. (Talking about throwing money at a problem, I saw on the news where American troops were giving money to families (compensating them) who live in houses that were destroyed as part of the round-up of the bad guys. Wonder how much a clay and rock 3/2 rancher will fetch in a war-torn area with no electricity, water or roof?) And yes, there are millions of people who don't have running water. If that isn't the case, explain to me why the entire population of Tinnersee smells that way???:) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Goodson Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 8:25 PM To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu 602 huh? Interesting that we (the American gubmint) can globe-hop and re-build schools and make sure all these fine folks have running water while there are schools in THIS country that don't have enough money\space\teachers\supplies\etc. Whoa!!! I know you didn't just say / type
Re: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu Joe
Hey.I used to be drugged out. But that was 11 years ago. So does that make me a drugged out Republican? Joe Wish not so much to live long as to live well. - Benjamin Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanack, 1746 - Original Message - From: Jamie Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 8:28 AM Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu Joe Youse two is startin' to sound a lot like us drugged out LibertariansJamie - Original Message - From: Joel Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 8:17 AM Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu 602 huh? (Now 614) I agree with you (Shiite!!) that the school systems are in need of one of them bridges built to those less fortunate. Interesting that you point out that we (although there is no 'we' in Federal Gubmint) spend $5-6000 a year in Federal dollars but then you also mention how the federal plutocracy wants to dictate what the schools can teach. Although I don't necessarily agree with it, the entity who pays for the education (the teacher's salary, the buildings, the expenses) can in fact dictate what is taught. Whoever holds the purse-strings gets to call the shots. Until the school systems are treated like a business and ran accordingly, we are in store for more of the same. As far as choosing what kind of education your child receives, you have that choice now: Moving to districts where the schools are better; sending your kids to private school and home-schooling are all valid options. What most people though are looking for are ways to have their children educated better, but at no direct cost to the parents. My opinion, differ with me if you like, is that it isn't the gubmint's responsibility to provide 'free' education to the mass population. If it is, then they get to dictate what is taught. If you, as a parent don't like it, fork over the money to move, send them to a private school or have one of the parents stay home and teach little Jimmy the A,B,C's. For schools to teach what the local parents want means the parents are going to have to pay for it. Having the parents pay $2-800 a month for their kids to be taught the way in which the parents feel is usually where the fight ends. (Talking about throwing money at a problem, I saw on the news where American troops were giving money to families (compensating them) who live in houses that were destroyed as part of the round-up of the bad guys. Wonder how much a clay and rock 3/2 rancher will fetch in a war-torn area with no electricity, water or roof?) And yes, there are millions of people who don't have running water. If that isn't the case, explain to me why the entire population of Tinnersee smells that way???:) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Goodson Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 8:25 PM To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu 602 huh? Interesting that we (the American gubmint) can globe-hop and re-build schools and make sure all these fine folks have running water while there are schools in THIS country that don't have enough money\space\teachers\supplies\etc. Whoa!!! I know you didn't just say / type that. Consider this. Throwing money at problems has never done anything other than make them worse. Consider poverty. We throw money at it and subsidize fatherless babies and viola! More fatherless babies born into poverty stricken pseudo families! Think about a drug addict or an alcoholic. Keep throwing money at them and see what you get. So when you think about education, think about the $5-6,000 that we spend in federal dollars on each student every year. You know, about 25% of the middleschool students cannot find the United States on a world map? Can you believe that? It is not due to a lack of money. It is due to a federal plutocracy that wants to dictate what the schools can teach, i.e.. Heather has Two Mommies and other such crap. If you have a class of 25 students at $5,000 a pop, then you have 5,000 X 25= $125,000.00. After you pay a teacher about $30,000.00 that leaves $95,000.00. WTF happens to all that cash? And that is just from ONE classroom. Multiply the school population by $5,000.00 and ask yourself why the hell we are cranking out a bunch of idiots that have to take remedial math courses upon signing up for college. They don't even teach History like they used to. Face it, the federal government needs to give Americans school vouchers so that they can choose what kind of education their children receive. Not to mention the millions of people
