RE: [RollTideFan] September 11 Audio Tapes
What was left out however, is the remainder of his quote. In the Huntsville Times this weekend was a comment or two about this now-famous quote. The next sentence Kerry says has the following meaning (I can't quote him, for I can't find the article on the Net): http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/speeches/spc_2002_1009.html Kerry voted for this resolution for one and only one reason; he was too scared (politically) not too. See below. And as we all know, the US didn't receive any support from the UN and choose to go it alone. Kerry was supporting the efforts to find the WMD but the use of force was to be a last and final resort. No, we don't all know. We received some, not all, support from the United Nations members and we did not go it alone. Please define a last and final resort? How many years? How many failed trips by inspectors? How many contracts for oil to Russia and France? My point is that all the quotes offered as evidence of several other politicians supporting the war effort are perhaps taken out of context in an effort to distort the opinions of those quoted. Clever tactic unless you take time to read the rest of the quotes. Maybe you should take the time to read the reports of the independent commission Bush has said he will appoints. Seems like the press is not the only ones taking things out of context. And I guess I'm wrong in thinking that since Dubya has now agreed to an independent probe into the faulty intelligence that he is now admitting that the intelligence was indeed wrong? I mean, if he is so sure as to the accuracy of the intel, why spend more of our money to find out why it was wrong. No, he's bowing to the political pressure. Bush is too politically scared in an election year to tell the media and all the scared congressmen to just wait and see what happens. Politically speaking though it is a wise move. It will take a while to name the commission, and for the commission to do their work and issue their report. By then, the election will be over. He displaces the political pressure until after the election. But as another topic, if 9-11 didn't happen, do y'all think the rush to remove Saddam would have been as high a priority as it became? No rush but it would still eventually come. Not only did 9-11 change the way we looked at Iraq, but it probably also changed the way Iraq looked at its situation. Eventually they would make a stupid mistake that even the United Nations would have to acknowledge and we would be at them again. At least under the current environment we don't have to go back to the United Nations and say pretty please can we advance 5 more miles, pretty please can we topple a statue, and have to put up with months and months of useless speeched from that idiot of a UN ambassodor from France. __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
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No, they don't distort the facts just to sell papers, they do it to
influence your thinking as well. They only tell you what they WANT you to
know.
Joe
I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have.
- Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826)
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From: Richard Reeves [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 11:34 AM
Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] September 11 Audio Tapes
Joe,
Don't you know that some people have nothing better to do than be a monday
morning QB? They really don't know what it is to have facts about things
and
not something the press dreams up. Cause we all know the press would never
distort the truth to sell a few papers? ;)
Roll Tide!
Richard
From: Joe Goodson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] September 11 Audio Tapes
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 21:39:29 -0600
The intel was faulty because Clinton tied the CIA's hands by disallowing
our
operatives to recruit people who were unsavory types, or bad guys. So
our
team was running a marathon with their shoe laces tied.
I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have.
- Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826)
- Original Message -
From: Joel Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List'
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 1:32 PM
Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] September 11 Audio Tapes
I truly hope you utilized copy\paste for that stuff below. For someone
to
have thought about it and typed it, clearly shows that the author
indeed
does believe his\her musings.
As pointed out in many news articles of late, the President (Doesn't
matter
what party he belongs to) was acting on intelligence provided by our
military and other governmental agencies. If, as Mrs. Rice has
recently
stated, the intelligence was flawed, the main concern now should be to
find
out why the intel was faulty and what needs to be done to correct it.
Several articles and comments {In all kinds of ways, both subtle and
major, the fact that the White House knew what answer it wanted from
the
intelligence community had a very large effect on the way the
intelligence
community presented information, says Greg Thielmann, who retired as
the
director of the strategic intelligence office at the State
Department's
Bureau of Intelligence and Research (INR) in October 2002. } seem to
suggest
that the US wanted to oust SH, but we needed a particular reason to do
so.
By spreading propaganda about the imminent threat from Iraq's WMD, the
government made its case in a way that few American's would be willing
to
argue against. Please ignore the blatant lie Bush used in his speech
when
he
declared Iraq was buying (attempting to buy?) uranium from Nigeria. So
the
war was on and now its over. (please see the Top Gun plane ride to the
aircraft carrier for details.) The US is in a bit of a hurt if WMD are
not
found. Of course we are not in a bit of a hurt if you choose to ignore
the
#1 reason as to why the war was launched: WMD. We can always look back
and
say that WMD were never found, but at least the world knows we're not
afraid
to launch an attack on any country we deem 'might' have WMD.
Excuse me..North Korea on Line 1
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On
Behalf Of Alabama Fanatic
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 11:38 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] September 11 Audio Tapes
Here's something to consider: Here it is, election year...
Also, when we all were born, before our skulls hardened,
we were implanted with GPS devices, so the Government can
track us whereever we go.
It's also a secret control device. At the right time,
they'll activate them all and we will be under their
control.
Here's something else to consider...
Microsoft was founded in 1975. Who was running for
President then... Ronald Reagan. That's when it all
began. They didn't win that year, but they made a pact,
Gates would build up Microsoft and then after he
infiltrated all the homes and businesses, he would then
help the Government monitor all it's people.
Think about it. When did Microsoft really take off, in
the 1980's. Who was president then, Ronald Reagan. Why
did IBM go to a pimple face kid to get it's operating
system? Was it because of his technical ability?
Obviously not. Why did IBM stupidly agree to let Gates
keep the rights to MS-DOS? The Government sent IBM to
Gates, and forced them to allow him to keep MS-DOS.
All so they could build up Microsoft to be the source
of all information
Re: [RollTideFan] September 11 Audio Tapes
Joe,
Don't you know that some people have nothing better to do than be a monday
morning QB? They really don't know what it is to have facts about things and
not something the press dreams up. Cause we all know the press would never
distort the truth to sell a few papers? ;)
Roll Tide!
Richard
From: Joe Goodson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion
List[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion
List[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] September 11 Audio Tapes
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 21:39:29 -0600
The intel was faulty because Clinton tied the CIA's hands by disallowing
our
operatives to recruit people who were unsavory types, or bad guys. So
our
team was running a marathon with their shoe laces tied.
I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have.
- Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826)
- Original Message -
From: Joel Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List'
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 1:32 PM
Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] September 11 Audio Tapes
I truly hope you utilized copy\paste for that stuff below. For someone
to
have thought about it and typed it, clearly shows that the author indeed
does believe his\her musings.
As pointed out in many news articles of late, the President (Doesn't
matter
what party he belongs to) was acting on intelligence provided by our
military and other governmental agencies. If, as Mrs. Rice has recently
stated, the intelligence was flawed, the main concern now should be to
find
out why the intel was faulty and what needs to be done to correct it.
Several articles and comments {In all kinds of ways, both subtle and
major, the fact that the White House knew what answer it wanted from the
intelligence community had a very large effect on the way the
intelligence
community presented information, says Greg Thielmann, who retired as
the
director of the strategic intelligence office at the State Department's
Bureau of Intelligence and Research (INR) in October 2002. } seem to
suggest
that the US wanted to oust SH, but we needed a particular reason to do
so.
By spreading propaganda about the imminent threat from Iraq's WMD, the
government made its case in a way that few American's would be willing
to
argue against. Please ignore the blatant lie Bush used in his speech
when
he
declared Iraq was buying (attempting to buy?) uranium from Nigeria. So
the
war was on and now its over. (please see the Top Gun plane ride to the
aircraft carrier for details.) The US is in a bit of a hurt if WMD are
not
found. Of course we are not in a bit of a hurt if you choose to ignore
the
#1 reason as to why the war was launched: WMD. We can always look back
and
say that WMD were never found, but at least the world knows we're not
afraid
to launch an attack on any country we deem 'might' have WMD.
Excuse me..North Korea on Line 1
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On
Behalf Of Alabama Fanatic
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 11:38 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] September 11 Audio Tapes
Here's something to consider: Here it is, election year...
Also, when we all were born, before our skulls hardened,
we were implanted with GPS devices, so the Government can
track us whereever we go.
It's also a secret control device. At the right time,
they'll activate them all and we will be under their
control.
Here's something else to consider...
Microsoft was founded in 1975. Who was running for
President then... Ronald Reagan. That's when it all
began. They didn't win that year, but they made a pact,
Gates would build up Microsoft and then after he
infiltrated all the homes and businesses, he would then
help the Government monitor all it's people.
Think about it. When did Microsoft really take off, in
the 1980's. Who was president then, Ronald Reagan. Why
did IBM go to a pimple face kid to get it's operating
system? Was it because of his technical ability?
Obviously not. Why did IBM stupidly agree to let Gates
keep the rights to MS-DOS? The Government sent IBM to
Gates, and forced them to allow him to keep MS-DOS.
All so they could build up Microsoft to be the source
of all information for the Government.
Why call the next version Windows? Obviously so the
Government would have a window into your life!
But this was all part of the master plan to get George
W. Bush elected president. Doesn't it seem funny that
Reagan made the pact, built up Microsoft, and then who
do we have for President now but the son of Reagan's
second in command.
All along we've been worried about big oil. It really
been big byte!
They waited, and waited, and waited. All along collecting
all kinds of information about you from your computer and
sending it to Microsoft who then fowarded
RE: [RollTideFan] September 11 Audio Tapes
in US and world history). *I am the first US president in history to have a majority of the people of Europe (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and stability. *I changed US policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts. *I set the all-time record for the number of administration appointees who violated US law by not selling their huge investments in corporations bidding for gov't contracts. (Hooray Halliburton!) Oh, wait a sec - Dick's Halliburton didn't even have to bid! *I have removed more freedoms and civil liberties for Americans than any other president in US history. *I entered office with the strongest economy in US history and in less than two years turned every single economic category heading straight down. * I have at least one conviction for drunk driving in Maine (My Texas driving record has been erased and is not available). *I was AWOL from the National Guard and deserted the military during time of war. *I refuse to take a drug test or even answer any questions about drug use. In the 70s, I did community service in the worst slum in Texas. But that had nothing to do with any cocaine conviction and sentence to do community service! Those records are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view. *All records of my tenure as governor of Texas have been spirited away to my father's library, sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view. *All records of any SEC investigations into my insider trading or bankrupt companies are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view. *All minutes of meetings of any public corporation for which I served on the board are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view. *Any records or minutes from meetings I (or my VP) attended regarding public energy policy are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view. I am a great American! Re-elect me for more of the same! Love, Dubya -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Goodson Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 5:30 PM To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Subject:Re: [RollTideFan] September 11 Audio Tapes The reason that gas prices have steadily climbed is that the US Government is forced (by law) to replenish the oil reserves that Clinton dipped into like an idiot before he left office, hence the higher prices, thank you Bill (slick willy) Clinton. If we had more refineries, we could process more of the oil that is readily available and then the prices would go down. But nthat would get the greenie weenies in an uproar. If you want cheaper gas prices, then tell the sierra club to take a hike and allow the evil coorporations to build more oil refineries. And as far as invading and occupying other countries...quit looking for a was to twist reality into a pretzel to fit your skewed view of America. You are one of those a$$holes that blame America first. Did you ever stop to think that we stopped an evil, oppressive, mass murdering dictator and freed a terrorized populace ON TOP of enforcing 17 UN Resolutions that Hussein thumbed his nose at for over 12 years while he built oppulant palaces while his people starved? And everyone is saying that he did not have WMD.blah, blah, blah. EVERYBODY in the UN knew that he had WMD. Israel observed many military convoys going from Iraq into Syria in the weeks preceding the war. What pray tell was in those convoys? If he did not have WMD, then why didn't he just comply with the UN weapon's inspectors? HMMM? All of this crap could have been avoided if he had only complied with the treaty that he signed in 1992! But you don't want to think about the truththat would make reality impact and you would be forced to admit how damned stupid and uninformed you really are. Joe I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have. - Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826) - Original Message - From: Joel Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 7:28 AM Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] September 11 Audio Tapes I guess the next wave of 30,000+ troops being sent to Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan are going over there to fight for my and your right to vote huh? Open you eyes and look at the world from a different perspective. Although the US thinks of itself as a 'beacon of freedom', we happen to be the only country with WMD who is presently invading and occupying other countries. And ya know the irony of the situation? Even though we have control of the oil wells in Iraq, gasoline prices in the US have steadily climbed. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Boozer Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 5:01 PM To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Subject: RE
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If you really believe that President BUSH lied - - THAT THERE NEVER WERE ANY WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION IN IRAQ AND HE TOOK US TO WAR SOLELY FOR HIS OIL BUDDIES -- then read this One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line. - President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998 If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program. - President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998 Iraq is a long way from [the USA], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face. -Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998 He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983. - Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998 [W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs. - Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998 Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process. - Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998 Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies. -Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999 There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies. - Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, December 5, 2001 We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandated of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them. - Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002 We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country. - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power. - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction. - Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002 The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons... - Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002 I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security. - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002 There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction. - Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002 He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do Rep. - Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002 In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weap ons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members .. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked,
Re: [RollTideFan] September 11 Audio Tapes
Jobu: Stick with football. OH! WAIT! You don't know anything about football, either. As you were. Slef E. - Original Message - From: Joel Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 9:50 AM Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] September 11 Audio Tapes While this could easily be divided between party lines, it goes much deeper than that I think. If everyone knew that he had WMD, why was the US the only country (ignoring the British because they do what we tell them) to invade Iraq? To sum it up simply, are the US and the rest of the free world better off due to our invasion and occupation of Iraq? Do American's in particular feel safer now since Saddam is out of power? I guess it depends on who you ask and how you frame the question. And are the people of Iraq better off now? Too earlier to tell I'm sure. While the media focuses on the hunt (or lack thereof) for WMD, there are many issues that linger just beyond the camera lens. Car bombs hardly make the news now, choppers going down seldom get headlines, the delivery of 30,000 more troops was preceded by the latest on the MJ child molestation trial (guilty I would guess), the elections in Iraq will go un-noticed until a civil war breaks out and we're caught in the cross-fire. Arguing as to why we invaded or why we should have waited is now useless. The question should now become How long do we stay and was the invasion worth the lives lost? Here's something to consider: Here it is, election year. The economy is still struggling. Thousands of high-tech jobs are going over-seas while millions of low wage jobs are being lost to illegal immigrants. The hunt for WMD isn't going so well. So Bush needs a bright spot, a shining beacon if you will. Bush has, through the military, stated that Bin Laden WILL be 'caught' within the year. Very bold of him to make this statement don't ya think? Very, very bold indeed. Unless, of course his is 100% certain he can accomplish this goal. I'm suspecting there already has been a 'capture' of sorts. Ole Bin is most likely being held prisoner by some mountain tribe (US funded and fed), just waiting for these 30,000 new troops to arrive. Soon after their arrival, but strategically before the election, these troops will 'capture' Ole Bin and low and beholdhe will be 'guarding the mass stock piles of WMD'. Two birds with one stone, if you will. Bush's approval rating sky rockets pass 100% and the elections are called off due to the Dem's obvious chance of not winning. I can see the parades now. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Devonna Snuggs Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 8:58 AM To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] September 11 Audio Tapes If you really believe that President BUSH lied - - THAT THERE NEVER WERE ANY WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION IN IRAQ AND HE TOOK US TO WAR SOLELY FOR HIS OIL BUDDIES -- then read this snip __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
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While this could easily be divided between party lines, it goes much deeper than that I think. If everyone knew that he had WMD, why was the US the only country (ignoring the British because they do what we tell them) to invade Iraq? Sorry, but that is too shallow of a statement. We were not the only country and you cannot ignore the British, or the Spanish, or the Austrailians, or any of the other countries who supported the deposing of the Baathist regime. It's obvious why the other Arab countries didn't want to invade, but why not France and Russia? Are they so wise and so humane that we should have listened to them? What have they ever done to show us their way is the right way? Name one accomplishment they've made? I can't and I'm not going to follow their appeasing attitude so they can continue to get their oil contracts. What should we have done? Stretched this thing out 10, 20 or 30 years more, continued talks and inspections and wait for Saddam Hussein to die, and let Uday or Qusay then take over and start all over again? I don't think so. We tried the diplomatic approach for 15 years and all it got us was a bunch of lies and deceptions. To sum it up simply, are the US and the rest of the free world better off due to our invasion and occupation of Iraq? To sum it up simply, obviously, yes. Do American's in particular feel safer now since Saddam is out of power? I guess it depends on who you ask and how you frame the question. Yes. You can always find a Martin Sheen, Howard Dean, or Michael Moore out there. But let put their offices at the top of the new World Trade Center once it built, or in the middle of downtown Baghdad and then ask them the question again. And are the people of Iraq better off now? Too earlier to tell I'm sure. Without a doubt, the people of Iraq are better off now. There is no sensible argument otherwise. But it's up to them as to where it goes from here. Dean's comment about the dead not being better off was a ridculous statement. Are the hundreds of thousands of Kurds masacred by Saddam Hussein, after the coalition during the Gulf War listened to the appeasers at the United Nations and ended the confict, better off now? Are the hundreds of thousands of soldiers and millions of Jews killed during World War II better off now? Are all the men and women killed during the Revolutionary War, the Spanish American War, the Civil War, World War I, better off now? While the media focuses on... The media goes for the show, the big story. Every time a helicopter goes down it makes the news for a day and then goes away. More people are killed every month in the United States due to violent crime then soldiers have been killed in Iraq, but where are the reports on these deaths? Are these people any less important? No, but it's not news except for the local news where it happened, and then only for a day. Here's something to consider: Here it is, election year... Sorry, but this it total bullshit. If you want to live in your conspiracy theory world then go ahead. Say high to Michael, Martin, and Sean while you're there. I hear Michael has a new game out, Bowling for Bush. By the way, the FBI is monitoring this list. They know who you are and where you are going. Check out that salt shaker the next time you go to McDonalds. Those little dark glass domes at Wal-Mart hanging from the ceiling, they're not security cameras, they're really staffed by the FBI. That infrared sensor on your remote, it's not just changing the cable box, it's also sending information to the FBI on what you are doing when you're at home. Those utility workers who are always standing on the side of the road pretending to be working on electric lines and telephone box. Nope. Their planting surveilance devices. The utility company and the phone company have been working with the Government for years. __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
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Devonna that was way too many facts for the antis to spin. They never can answer this question, if Saddam had no WMD then why did he deter the inspectors from searching? Surely he knew that he couldn't win a war against the US. RTR LC --- Devonna Snuggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you really believe that President BUSH lied - - THAT THERE NEVER WERE ANY WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION IN IRAQ AND HE TOOK US TO WAR SOLELY FOR HIS OIL BUDDIES -- then read this One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line. - President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998 If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program. - President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998 Iraq is a long way from [the USA], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face. -Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998 He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983. - Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998 [W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs. - Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998 Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process. - Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998 Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies. -Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999 There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies. - Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, December 5, 2001 We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandated of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them. - Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002 We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country. - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power. - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction. - Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002 The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons... - Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002 I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security. - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002 There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction. - Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002 He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he
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Well, I have been trying to stay out of the discussion but someone just happened to forward that to me yesterday so I just decided to send it to this list since this was being hashed out. - Original Message - From: Steven Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Devonna that was way too many facts for the antis to spin. They never can answer this question, if Saddam had no WMD then why did he deter the inspectors from searching? Surely he knew that he couldn't win a war against the US. RTR LC __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
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Here's something to consider: Here it is, election year... Also, when we all were born, before our skulls hardened, we were implanted with GPS devices, so the Government can track us whereever we go. It's also a secret control device. At the right time, they'll activate them all and we will be under their control. Here's something else to consider... Microsoft was founded in 1975. Who was running for President then... Ronald Reagan. That's when it all began. They didn't win that year, but they made a pact, Gates would build up Microsoft and then after he infiltrated all the homes and businesses, he would then help the Government monitor all it's people. Think about it. When did Microsoft really take off, in the 1980's. Who was president then, Ronald Reagan. Why did IBM go to a pimple face kid to get it's operating system? Was it because of his technical ability? Obviously not. Why did IBM stupidly agree to let Gates keep the rights to MS-DOS? The Government sent IBM to Gates, and forced them to allow him to keep MS-DOS. All so they could build up Microsoft to be the source of all information for the Government. Why call the next version Windows? Obviously so the Government would have a window into your life! But this was all part of the master plan to get George W. Bush elected president. Doesn't it seem funny that Reagan made the pact, built up Microsoft, and then who do we have for President now but the son of Reagan's second in command. All along we've been worried about big oil. It really been big byte! They waited, and waited, and waited. All along collecting all kinds of information about you from your computer and sending it to Microsoft who then fowarded straight to the Government. The Election in 2000... Undoubtedly they used Microsoft product to help count the votes. That's why it came out in Bush's favor when Gore obviously should have won. Think your safe with an Apple or Linux. Think again. Who do you think gave money to Apple so they could stay afloat? Microsoft. Steven Jobs and Steve Wosniak were both Microsoft agents. They've kept Apple running along with it's measly little 2% or 3% of the market so all the academics would think they're safe. Why do you think Apple gave away so many Macs? Linus Torvalis is really a Microsoft agent. Microsoft gave him the Unix code and told him what information he needed to collect and how to forward it to them. Microsoft is also behind all the GNU licensing and it has worked great. Look at all the foreign governments who are using Linux and think they're safe. It's all part of the master plan. Beware!!! __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
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I truly hope you utilized copy\paste for that stuff below. For someone to
have thought about it and typed it, clearly shows that the author indeed
does believe his\her musings.
As pointed out in many news articles of late, the President (Doesn't matter
what party he belongs to) was acting on intelligence provided by our
military and other governmental agencies. If, as Mrs. Rice has recently
stated, the intelligence was flawed, the main concern now should be to find
out why the intel was faulty and what needs to be done to correct it.
Several articles and comments {In all kinds of ways, both subtle and
major, the fact that the White House knew what answer it wanted from the
intelligence community had a very large effect on the way the intelligence
community presented information, says Greg Thielmann, who retired as the
director of the strategic intelligence office at the State Department's
Bureau of Intelligence and Research (INR) in October 2002. } seem to suggest
that the US wanted to oust SH, but we needed a particular reason to do so.
By spreading propaganda about the imminent threat from Iraq's WMD, the
government made its case in a way that few American's would be willing to
argue against. Please ignore the blatant lie Bush used in his speech when he
declared Iraq was buying (attempting to buy?) uranium from Nigeria. So the
war was on and now its over. (please see the Top Gun plane ride to the
aircraft carrier for details.) The US is in a bit of a hurt if WMD are not
found. Of course we are not in a bit of a hurt if you choose to ignore the
#1 reason as to why the war was launched: WMD. We can always look back and
say that WMD were never found, but at least the world knows we're not afraid
to launch an attack on any country we deem 'might' have WMD.
Excuse me..North Korea on Line 1
-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Alabama Fanatic
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 11:38 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:RE: [RollTideFan] September 11 Audio Tapes
Here's something to consider: Here it is, election year...
Also, when we all were born, before our skulls hardened,
we were implanted with GPS devices, so the Government can
track us whereever we go.
It's also a secret control device. At the right time,
they'll activate them all and we will be under their
control.
Here's something else to consider...
Microsoft was founded in 1975. Who was running for
President then... Ronald Reagan. That's when it all
began. They didn't win that year, but they made a pact,
Gates would build up Microsoft and then after he
infiltrated all the homes and businesses, he would then
help the Government monitor all it's people.
Think about it. When did Microsoft really take off, in
the 1980's. Who was president then, Ronald Reagan. Why
did IBM go to a pimple face kid to get it's operating
system? Was it because of his technical ability?
Obviously not. Why did IBM stupidly agree to let Gates
keep the rights to MS-DOS? The Government sent IBM to
Gates, and forced them to allow him to keep MS-DOS.
All so they could build up Microsoft to be the source
of all information for the Government.
Why call the next version Windows? Obviously so the
Government would have a window into your life!
But this was all part of the master plan to get George
W. Bush elected president. Doesn't it seem funny that
Reagan made the pact, built up Microsoft, and then who
do we have for President now but the son of Reagan's
second in command.
All along we've been worried about big oil. It really
been big byte!
They waited, and waited, and waited. All along collecting
all kinds of information about you from your computer and
sending it to Microsoft who then fowarded straight to the
Government.
The Election in 2000... Undoubtedly they used Microsoft
product to help count the votes. That's why it came out
in Bush's favor when Gore obviously should have won.
Think your safe with an Apple or Linux. Think again.
Who do you think gave money to Apple so they could stay
afloat? Microsoft. Steven Jobs and Steve Wosniak were
both Microsoft agents. They've kept Apple running along
with it's measly little 2% or 3% of the market so all
the academics would think they're safe. Why do you think
Apple gave away so many Macs?
Linus Torvalis is really a Microsoft agent. Microsoft
gave him the Unix code and told him what information he
needed to collect and how to forward it to them.
Microsoft is also behind all the GNU licensing and it has
worked great. Look at all the foreign governments who are
using Linux and think they're safe.
It's all part of the master plan.
Beware!!!
__
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I truly hope you utilized copy\paste for that stuff below. For someone to have thought about it and typed it, clearly shows that the author indeed does believe his\her musings. Never believe what you read on the Internet. Please ignore the blatant lie Bush used in his speech when he declared Iraq was buying (attempting to buy?) uranium from Nigeria. I'd ignore it if it were true, but it's not. He specifically cited British Intelligence during the speech, British Intelligence which to this very day is still endorsed by the British Government. You know, the same British Government which was just cleared of sexing up its intelligence reports. So the war was on and now its over. (please see the Top Gun plane ride to the aircraft carrier for details.) You mean this speech: http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/05/01/bush.transcript/index.html I listened that speech and he never said the war was over. He declared an end to major combat operations, which was absolutely true, and a progression to securing and reconstructing the country which is exactly what we are doing. It was the anti-war group who are perpetuating the lie that it was a declartion the war was over. But we already know we can't trust there opinion or judgements, otherwise we would still be bent over taking it from the French and Russians as they grease up with their oil contracts. Several articles and comments seem to suggest that the US wanted to oust SH, but we needed a particular reason to do so. By spreading propaganda about the imminent threat from Iraq's WMD, the government made its case in a way that few American's would be willing to argue against. Of course we are not in a bit of a hurt if you choose to ignore the #1 reason as to why the war was launched: WMD. We can always look back and say that WMD were never found, but at least the world knows we're not afraid to launch an attack on any country we deem 'might' have WMD. Nothing to ignore. The reason why the war was launched was because SH had 12 years to demonstrate he had destroyed his WMD programs and was not pursing them any further. It's an undisputed fact that he had them and would use them. So where did they go? Iraq was well know to document the tinest of details, so where are the document showing that the weapons had been destroyed. He was building missles to deliver WMD, so why did he need them if he didn't have any WMD. 4th of July celebration? He was given one last chance, and it was made very clear that it was one last chance, to submit to full and open inspections. But he continued to stall and evade? Why? The reason was clear and the consequences were also. He ignored and he paid the price. Excuse me..North Korea on Line 1 No doubt. Go ahead, launch a missle. Wake the sleeping giant. __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
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Alabama Fanatic, the problem here is very clear. You are presenting facts and Mr. Perry is insisting on living in fantasy. The truth is very confusing to him. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Alabama Fanatic Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 3:18 PM To: 'RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List' Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] September 11 Audio Tapes I truly hope you utilized copy\paste for that stuff below. For someone to have thought about it and typed it, clearly shows that the author indeed does believe his\her musings. Never believe what you read on the Internet. Please ignore the blatant lie Bush used in his speech when he declared Iraq was buying (attempting to buy?) uranium from Nigeria. I'd ignore it if it were true, but it's not. He specifically cited British Intelligence during the speech, British Intelligence which to this very day is still endorsed by the British Government. You know, the same British Government which was just cleared of sexing up its intelligence reports. So the war was on and now its over. (please see the Top Gun plane ride to the aircraft carrier for details.) You mean this speech: http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/05/01/bush.transcript/index.html I listened that speech and he never said the war was over. He declared an end to major combat operations, which was absolutely true, and a progression to securing and reconstructing the country which is exactly what we are doing. It was the anti-war group who are perpetuating the lie that it was a declartion the war was over. But we already know we can't trust there opinion or judgements, otherwise we would still be bent over taking it from the French and Russians as they grease up with their oil contracts. Several articles and comments seem to suggest that the US wanted to oust SH, but we needed a particular reason to do so. By spreading propaganda about the imminent threat from Iraq's WMD, the government made its case in a way that few American's would be willing to argue against. Of course we are not in a bit of a hurt if you choose to ignore the #1 reason as to why the war was launched: WMD. We can always look back and say that WMD were never found, but at least the world knows we're not afraid to launch an attack on any country we deem 'might' have WMD. Nothing to ignore. The reason why the war was launched was because SH had 12 years to demonstrate he had destroyed his WMD programs and was not pursing them any further. It's an undisputed fact that he had them and would use them. So where did they go? Iraq was well know to document the tinest of details, so where are the document showing that the weapons had been destroyed. He was building missles to deliver WMD, so why did he need them if he didn't have any WMD. 4th of July celebration? He was given one last chance, and it was made very clear that it was one last chance, to submit to full and open inspections. But he continued to stall and evade? Why? The reason was clear and the consequences were also. He ignored and he paid the price. Excuse me..North Korea on Line 1 No doubt. Go ahead, launch a missle. Wake the sleeping giant. __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
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If Tequila Boy was capable of comprehending the truth, he wouldn't have re-married re-married. Stop torturing the little twit with facts. - Original Message - From: Tim Boozer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 3:55 PM Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] September 11 Audio Tapes Alabama Fanatic, the problem here is very clear. You are presenting facts and Mr. Perry is insisting on living in fantasy. The truth is very confusing to him. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Alabama Fanatic Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 3:18 PM To: 'RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List' Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] September 11 Audio Tapes I truly hope you utilized copy\paste for that stuff below. For someone to have thought about it and typed it, clearly shows that the author indeed does believe his\her musings. Never believe what you read on the Internet. Please ignore the blatant lie Bush used in his speech when he declared Iraq was buying (attempting to buy?) uranium from Nigeria. I'd ignore it if it were true, but it's not. He specifically cited British Intelligence during the speech, British Intelligence which to this very day is still endorsed by the British Government. You know, the same British Government which was just cleared of sexing up its intelligence reports. So the war was on and now its over. (please see the Top Gun plane ride to the aircraft carrier for details.) You mean this speech: http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/05/01/bush.transcript/index.html I listened that speech and he never said the war was over. He declared an end to major combat operations, which was absolutely true, and a progression to securing and reconstructing the country which is exactly what we are doing. It was the anti-war group who are perpetuating the lie that it was a declartion the war was over. But we already know we can't trust there opinion or judgements, otherwise we would still be bent over taking it from the French and Russians as they grease up with their oil contracts. Several articles and comments seem to suggest that the US wanted to oust SH, but we needed a particular reason to do so. By spreading propaganda about the imminent threat from Iraq's WMD, the government made its case in a way that few American's would be willing to argue against. Of course we are not in a bit of a hurt if you choose to ignore the #1 reason as to why the war was launched: WMD. We can always look back and say that WMD were never found, but at least the world knows we're not afraid to launch an attack on any country we deem 'might' have WMD. Nothing to ignore. The reason why the war was launched was because SH had 12 years to demonstrate he had destroyed his WMD programs and was not pursing them any further. It's an undisputed fact that he had them and would use them. So where did they go? Iraq was well know to document the tinest of details, so where are the document showing that the weapons had been destroyed. He was building missles to deliver WMD, so why did he need them if he didn't have any WMD. 4th of July celebration? He was given one last chance, and it was made very clear that it was one last chance, to submit to full and open inspections. But he continued to stall and evade? Why? The reason was clear and the consequences were also. He ignored and he paid the price. Excuse me..North Korea on Line 1 No doubt. Go ahead, launch a missle. Wake the sleeping giant. __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
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Heck...why don't we just drag him out back and shoot him right now? (NOT) If you say it is raining, I am going to go look out the window. Joe I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have. - Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826) - Original Message - From: Joel Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 8:28 AM Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] September 11 Audio Tapes I see that you can't state your opinion without degressing to personal attacks. So I'll leave you with this short list of things we can thank Dubya for. This list, sent to me by a friend, may be accurate or it may not be. I'm not about to research each topic since I am 'damned stupid and uninformed'. As far as 'the truth', I'm sure you being in the military gives you access to confidential documents about the war and the search for WMD. There is obviously no way I can defend my opinions in light of your facts. I'm assuming you have forwarded your itelligence about the convoys to the White House so they can follow-up on your leads. In the meantime, I'll sit tight and wait for the invasion of Syria to begin. I just hope they don't pre-empt the final night of The Bachelorette to show the invasion - I just love that show The short list: *I attacked and took over 2 countries. *I spent the U.S. surplus and bankrupted the US Treasury. *I shattered the record for the biggest annual deficit in history (not easy!). *I set an economic record for the most personal bankruptcies filed in any 12 month period. *I set all-time record for the biggest drop in the history of the stock market. *In my first year in office I set the all-time record for most days on vacation by any president in US history (tough to beat my dad's, but I did). *After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, I presided over the worst security failure in US history. *I set the record for most campaign fund raising trips by any president in US history. *In my first two years in office over 2 million Americans lost their jobs. *I cut unemployment benefits for more out-of-work Americans than any other president in US history. *I set the all-time record for most real estate foreclosures in a 12-month period. *I appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any president in US history. *I set the record for the fewest press conferences of any president, since the advent of TV. *I signed more laws and executive orders amending the Constitution than any other US president in history. *I presided over the biggest energy crises in US history and refused to intervene when corruption was revealed. *I cut health care benefits for war veterans. *I set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously take to the streets to protest me (15 million people), shattering the record for protest against any person in the history of humankind. *I dissolved more international treaties than any president in US history. *I've made my presidency the most secretive and unaccountable of any in US history. *Members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in US history. (The poorest multimillionaire, Condoleezza Rice, has a Chevron oil tanker named after her.) *I am the first president in US history to have all 50 states of the Union simultaneously struggle against bankruptcy. *I presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud in any market in any country in the history of the world. *I am the first president in US history to order a US attack and military occupation of a sovereign nation, and I did so against the will of the United Nations and the vast majority of the international community. *I have created the largest government department bureaucracy in the history of the United States, called the Bureau of Homeland Security(only one letter away from BS). *I set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases, more than any other president in US history (Ronnie was tough to beat, but I did it!!). *I am the first president in US history to compel the United Nations to remove the US from the Human Rights Commission. *I am the first president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the Elections Monitoring Board. *I removed more checks and balances, and have the least amount of congressional oversight than any presidential administration in US history. *I rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant. I withdrew from the World Court of Law. *I refused to allow inspectors access to US prisoners of war and by default no longer abide by the Geneva Conventions. *I am the first president in US history to refuse United Nations election inspectors access during the 2002 US elections. *I am the all-time US (and world) record holder for most corporate campaign donations. *The biggest lifetime contributor to my campaign
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Very good response! Very good indeed. Joe I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have. - Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826) - Original Message - From: Devonna Snuggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 8:57 AM Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] September 11 Audio Tapes If you really believe that President BUSH lied - - THAT THERE NEVER WERE ANY WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION IN IRAQ AND HE TOOK US TO WAR SOLELY FOR HIS OIL BUDDIES -- then read this One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line. - President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998 If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program. - President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998 Iraq is a long way from [the USA], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face. -Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998 He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983. - Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998 [W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs. - Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998 Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process. - Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998 Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies. -Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999 There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies. - Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, December 5, 2001 We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandated of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them. - Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002 We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country. - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power. - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction. - Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002 The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons... - Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002 I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security. - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002 There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction. - Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002 He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons
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The intel was faulty because Clinton tied the CIA's hands by disallowing our
operatives to recruit people who were unsavory types, or bad guys. So our
team was running a marathon with their shoe laces tied.
I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have.
- Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826)
- Original Message -
From: Joel Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List'
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 1:32 PM
Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] September 11 Audio Tapes
I truly hope you utilized copy\paste for that stuff below. For someone to
have thought about it and typed it, clearly shows that the author indeed
does believe his\her musings.
As pointed out in many news articles of late, the President (Doesn't
matter
what party he belongs to) was acting on intelligence provided by our
military and other governmental agencies. If, as Mrs. Rice has recently
stated, the intelligence was flawed, the main concern now should be to
find
out why the intel was faulty and what needs to be done to correct it.
Several articles and comments {In all kinds of ways, both subtle and
major, the fact that the White House knew what answer it wanted from the
intelligence community had a very large effect on the way the intelligence
community presented information, says Greg Thielmann, who retired as the
director of the strategic intelligence office at the State Department's
Bureau of Intelligence and Research (INR) in October 2002. } seem to
suggest
that the US wanted to oust SH, but we needed a particular reason to do so.
By spreading propaganda about the imminent threat from Iraq's WMD, the
government made its case in a way that few American's would be willing to
argue against. Please ignore the blatant lie Bush used in his speech when
he
declared Iraq was buying (attempting to buy?) uranium from Nigeria. So the
war was on and now its over. (please see the Top Gun plane ride to the
aircraft carrier for details.) The US is in a bit of a hurt if WMD are not
found. Of course we are not in a bit of a hurt if you choose to ignore the
#1 reason as to why the war was launched: WMD. We can always look back and
say that WMD were never found, but at least the world knows we're not
afraid
to launch an attack on any country we deem 'might' have WMD.
Excuse me..North Korea on Line 1
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Alabama Fanatic
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 11:38 AM
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Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] September 11 Audio Tapes
Here's something to consider: Here it is, election year...
Also, when we all were born, before our skulls hardened,
we were implanted with GPS devices, so the Government can
track us whereever we go.
It's also a secret control device. At the right time,
they'll activate them all and we will be under their
control.
Here's something else to consider...
Microsoft was founded in 1975. Who was running for
President then... Ronald Reagan. That's when it all
began. They didn't win that year, but they made a pact,
Gates would build up Microsoft and then after he
infiltrated all the homes and businesses, he would then
help the Government monitor all it's people.
Think about it. When did Microsoft really take off, in
the 1980's. Who was president then, Ronald Reagan. Why
did IBM go to a pimple face kid to get it's operating
system? Was it because of his technical ability?
Obviously not. Why did IBM stupidly agree to let Gates
keep the rights to MS-DOS? The Government sent IBM to
Gates, and forced them to allow him to keep MS-DOS.
All so they could build up Microsoft to be the source
of all information for the Government.
Why call the next version Windows? Obviously so the
Government would have a window into your life!
But this was all part of the master plan to get George
W. Bush elected president. Doesn't it seem funny that
Reagan made the pact, built up Microsoft, and then who
do we have for President now but the son of Reagan's
second in command.
All along we've been worried about big oil. It really
been big byte!
They waited, and waited, and waited. All along collecting
all kinds of information about you from your computer and
sending it to Microsoft who then fowarded straight to the
Government.
The Election in 2000... Undoubtedly they used Microsoft
product to help count the votes. That's why it came out
in Bush's favor when Gore obviously should have won.
Think your safe with an Apple or Linux. Think again.
Who do you think gave money to Apple so they could stay
afloat? Microsoft. Steven Jobs and Steve Wosniak were
both Microsoft agents. They've kept Apple running along
with it's measly little 2% or 3% of the market so all
the academics would think they're safe. Why do you think
Apple gave away so many Macs?
Linus Torvalis is really a Microsoft
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Took the words right out of my mouth. Good reply. Joe I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have. - Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826) - Original Message - From: Alabama Fanatic [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 2:18 PM Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] September 11 Audio Tapes I truly hope you utilized copy\paste for that stuff below. For someone to have thought about it and typed it, clearly shows that the author indeed does believe his\her musings. Never believe what you read on the Internet. Please ignore the blatant lie Bush used in his speech when he declared Iraq was buying (attempting to buy?) uranium from Nigeria. I'd ignore it if it were true, but it's not. He specifically cited British Intelligence during the speech, British Intelligence which to this very day is still endorsed by the British Government. You know, the same British Government which was just cleared of sexing up its intelligence reports. So the war was on and now its over. (please see the Top Gun plane ride to the aircraft carrier for details.) You mean this speech: http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/05/01/bush.transcript/index.html I listened that speech and he never said the war was over. He declared an end to major combat operations, which was absolutely true, and a progression to securing and reconstructing the country which is exactly what we are doing. It was the anti-war group who are perpetuating the lie that it was a declartion the war was over. But we already know we can't trust there opinion or judgements, otherwise we would still be bent over taking it from the French and Russians as they grease up with their oil contracts. Several articles and comments seem to suggest that the US wanted to oust SH, but we needed a particular reason to do so. By spreading propaganda about the imminent threat from Iraq's WMD, the government made its case in a way that few American's would be willing to argue against. Of course we are not in a bit of a hurt if you choose to ignore the #1 reason as to why the war was launched: WMD. We can always look back and say that WMD were never found, but at least the world knows we're not afraid to launch an attack on any country we deem 'might' have WMD. Nothing to ignore. The reason why the war was launched was because SH had 12 years to demonstrate he had destroyed his WMD programs and was not pursing them any further. It's an undisputed fact that he had them and would use them. So where did they go? Iraq was well know to document the tinest of details, so where are the document showing that the weapons had been destroyed. He was building missles to deliver WMD, so why did he need them if he didn't have any WMD. 4th of July celebration? He was given one last chance, and it was made very clear that it was one last chance, to submit to full and open inspections. But he continued to stall and evade? Why? The reason was clear and the consequences were also. He ignored and he paid the price. Excuse me..North Korea on Line 1 No doubt. Go ahead, launch a missle. Wake the sleeping giant. __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
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I take it that you agree with me.? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Todd Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 5:04 PM To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Subject:Re: [RollTideFan] September 11 Audio Tapes BBWWHH! F_U_Jo_Bu! Slef E. - Original Message - From: Tim Boozer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 5:01 PM Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] September 11 Audio Tapes -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Joel Perry Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 11:50 AM To: 'RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List' Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] September 11 Audio Tapes I'm sorry. Dubya can't come out and play right now. He's busy looking for his WMD. Then he has to make all the illegal immigrants legal. Then he's taking personal responsibility for banning all 'performance enhancing' substances from major sports. If you don't mind waiting, Mr. Kerry will be with you later this year... -- -- -- Joel Perry, who is admittedly ignorant of politics, once again shows his ever-present desire to make a fool of himself. Joel's grasp of current events and high standard on which he places his right to vote that so many have fought and died to preserve can be summed up in the following paragraph, penned by Mr. Perry himself: I change the channel when any mention of politics is brought up. Hell I though Dean's first name was Jimmy and I like his sausage. That's enough for my vote. Way to go Joel, what a great mantra to live your life by. Vote for the man or woman (Hilary?) who reminds you most of sausage. __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
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Perish the thought, pinko. Slef E. - Original Message - From: Joel Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 7:20 AM Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] September 11 Audio Tapes I take it that you agree with me.? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Todd Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 5:04 PM To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] September 11 Audio Tapes BBWWHH! F_U_Jo_Bu! Slef E. - Original Message - From: Tim Boozer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 5:01 PM Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] September 11 Audio Tapes -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Joel Perry Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 11:50 AM To: 'RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List' Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] September 11 Audio Tapes I'm sorry. Dubya can't come out and play right now. He's busy looking for his WMD. Then he has to make all the illegal immigrants legal. Then he's taking personal responsibility for banning all 'performance enhancing' substances from major sports. If you don't mind waiting, Mr. Kerry will be with you later this year... -- -- -- Joel Perry, who is admittedly ignorant of politics, once again shows his ever-present desire to make a fool of himself. Joel's grasp of current events and high standard on which he places his right to vote that so many have fought and died to preserve can be summed up in the following paragraph, penned by Mr. Perry himself: I change the channel when any mention of politics is brought up. Hell I though Dean's first name was Jimmy and I like his sausage. That's enough for my vote. Way to go Joel, what a great mantra to live your life by. Vote for the man or woman (Hilary?) who reminds you most of sausage. __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
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I guess the next wave of 30,000+ troops being sent to Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan are going over there to fight for my and your right to vote huh? Open you eyes and look at the world from a different perspective. Although the US thinks of itself as a 'beacon of freedom', we happen to be the only country with WMD who is presently invading and occupying other countries. And ya know the irony of the situation? Even though we have control of the oil wells in Iraq, gasoline prices in the US have steadily climbed. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Boozer Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 5:01 PM To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Subject:RE: [RollTideFan] September 11 Audio Tapes -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Joel Perry Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 11:50 AM To: 'RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List' Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] September 11 Audio Tapes I'm sorry. Dubya can't come out and play right now. He's busy looking for his WMD. Then he has to make all the illegal immigrants legal. Then he's taking personal responsibility for banning all 'performance enhancing' substances from major sports. If you don't mind waiting, Mr. Kerry will be with you later this year... -- Joel Perry, who is admittedly ignorant of politics, once again shows his ever-present desire to make a fool of himself. Joel's grasp of current events and high standard on which he places his right to vote that so many have fought and died to preserve can be summed up in the following paragraph, penned by Mr. Perry himself: I change the channel when any mention of politics is brought up. Hell I though Dean's first name was Jimmy and I like his sausage. That's enough for my vote. Way to go Joel, what a great mantra to live your life by. Vote for the man or woman (Hilary?) who reminds you most of sausage. __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
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You are kind of thick-headed aren't you? Dumb as a box of rocks I would say. Listen - there is a side of me, the same side that wants to help a sick puppy, no matter how ugly he is, that wants to continue discourse in an effort to enlighten you to reality. However, there is another side of me, the side that loves this country and wants W. to win the upcoming election that wants me to just shut up and let your diarrhea of the mouth continue. Because, as long as pinheads like you keep talking, W. can't lose. Right now, I'll let the side that loves his country win and let you continue to spew, but I'm sure that the ugly-puppy loving side will rear it's head again. Now please, try to find a wider audience to post your drivel. There is just not enough people in this group for it to really have maximum effect. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Joel Perry Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 8:29 AM To: 'RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List' Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] September 11 Audio Tapes I guess the next wave of 30,000+ troops being sent to Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan are going over there to fight for my and your right to vote huh? Open you eyes and look at the world from a different perspective. Although the US thinks of itself as a 'beacon of freedom', we happen to be the only country with WMD who is presently invading and occupying other countries. And ya know the irony of the situation? Even though we have control of the oil wells in Iraq, gasoline prices in the US have steadily climbed. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Boozer Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 5:01 PM To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Subject:RE: [RollTideFan] September 11 Audio Tapes -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Joel Perry Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 11:50 AM To: 'RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List' Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] September 11 Audio Tapes I'm sorry. Dubya can't come out and play right now. He's busy looking for his WMD. Then he has to make all the illegal immigrants legal. Then he's taking personal responsibility for banning all 'performance enhancing' substances from major sports. If you don't mind waiting, Mr. Kerry will be with you later this year... -- Joel Perry, who is admittedly ignorant of politics, once again shows his ever-present desire to make a fool of himself. Joel's grasp of current events and high standard on which he places his right to vote that so many have fought and died to preserve can be summed up in the following paragraph, penned by Mr. Perry himself: I change the channel when any mention of politics is brought up. Hell I though Dean's first name was Jimmy and I like his sausage. That's enough for my vote. Way to go Joel, what a great mantra to live your life by. Vote for the man or woman (Hilary?) who reminds you most of sausage. __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
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I love puppies too. Kittens are fun to watch also. Sometimes though, puppies are just too sick and need to be put out of their suffering. It is our responsibility to recognize this situation and act accordingly. I've had to do this twice within the past year, most recently on December the 6th. What I don't get, among other things you write, is why does the assumption of 'loving your country' and re-electing Dubya have to correspond? Is it that only the Republicans love their country while the Dem's do not? Please, enlighten me. I don't think I have ever said I didn't want Dubya to win or for Kerry to win the election. Since you seem to have kept my previous emails, you can check to be sure. Dubya has done some good things, but I can't think of one right now. What stands out are his errors. Invasion of a country without irrefutable evidence of there being a threat to the US (while the majority of the highjackers were Saudi's, we haven't occupied their country. Uh, wait...yes we have occupied their countryand are still therem), still no WMD, porous borders with a proposal to legalize all the illegals presently in this country. I guess his tax cuts helped someone. Although the State of Alabama essentially raised our taxes and wiped out the Federal tax break. All in all, I lean toward the Republican side more than the Dem's, but that doesn't mean I'll wrap myself in the flag and believe everything Dubya says or proposes. Don't tell me its raining while you're pissing down my leg. I think his war effort is a farce and has caused the US great embarrassment in the world order. We invaded Iraq to liberate the people from the repressive dictatorship that ruled the country and\or to seize the massive stockpiles of WMD that posed an imminent threat to the US. So far, Bush is 1-1. I just wonder sometimes what the $120+ billion spent so far could have done here at home. That equates to about $2.4 billion per state. Enough to spade and neuter all the pets with money leftover to get all of them a chew-bone or a squeaky toy. In the meantime, I'll be working on my Perot in '08 poster. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Boozer Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 11:14 AM To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Subject:RE: [RollTideFan] September 11 Audio Tapes You are kind of thick-headed aren't you? Dumb as a box of rocks I would say. Listen - there is a side of me, the same side that wants to help a sick puppy, no matter how ugly he is, that wants to continue discourse in an effort to enlighten you to reality. However, there is another side of me, the side that loves this country and wants W. to win the upcoming election that wants me to just shut up and let your diarrhea of the mouth continue. Because, as long as pinheads like you keep talking, W. can't lose. Right now, I'll let the side that loves his country win and let you continue to spew, but I'm sure that the ugly-puppy loving side will rear it's head again. Now please, try to find a wider audience to post your drivel. There is just not enough people in this group for it to really have maximum effect. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Joel Perry Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 8:29 AM To: 'RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List' Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] September 11 Audio Tapes I guess the next wave of 30,000+ troops being sent to Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan are going over there to fight for my and your right to vote huh? Open you eyes and look at the world from a different perspective. Although the US thinks of itself as a 'beacon of freedom', we happen to be the only country with WMD who is presently invading and occupying other countries. And ya know the irony of the situation? Even though we have control of the oil wells in Iraq, gasoline prices in the US have steadily climbed. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Boozer Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 5:01 PM To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Subject:RE: [RollTideFan] September 11 Audio Tapes -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Joel Perry Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 11:50 AM To: 'RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List' Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] September 11 Audio Tapes I'm sorry. Dubya can't come out and play right now. He's busy looking for his WMD. Then he has to make all the illegal immigrants legal. Then he's taking personal responsibility for banning all 'performance enhancing' substances from major sports. If you don't mind waiting, Mr. Kerry will be with you later this year... -- Joel
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The reason that gas prices have steadily climbed is that the US Government is forced (by law) to replenish the oil reserves that Clinton dipped into like an idiot before he left office, hence the higher prices, thank you Bill (slick willy) Clinton. If we had more refineries, we could process more of the oil that is readily available and then the prices would go down. But nthat would get the greenie weenies in an uproar. If you want cheaper gas prices, then tell the sierra club to take a hike and allow the evil coorporations to build more oil refineries. And as far as invading and occupying other countries...quit looking for a was to twist reality into a pretzel to fit your skewed view of America. You are one of those a$$holes that blame America first. Did you ever stop to think that we stopped an evil, oppressive, mass murdering dictator and freed a terrorized populace ON TOP of enforcing 17 UN Resolutions that Hussein thumbed his nose at for over 12 years while he built oppulant palaces while his people starved? And everyone is saying that he did not have WMD.blah, blah, blah. EVERYBODY in the UN knew that he had WMD. Israel observed many military convoys going from Iraq into Syria in the weeks preceding the war. What pray tell was in those convoys? If he did not have WMD, then why didn't he just comply with the UN weapon's inspectors? HMMM? All of this crap could have been avoided if he had only complied with the treaty that he signed in 1992! But you don't want to think about the truththat would make reality impact and you would be forced to admit how damned stupid and uninformed you really are. Joe I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have. - Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826) - Original Message - From: Joel Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 7:28 AM Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] September 11 Audio Tapes I guess the next wave of 30,000+ troops being sent to Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan are going over there to fight for my and your right to vote huh? Open you eyes and look at the world from a different perspective. Although the US thinks of itself as a 'beacon of freedom', we happen to be the only country with WMD who is presently invading and occupying other countries. And ya know the irony of the situation? Even though we have control of the oil wells in Iraq, gasoline prices in the US have steadily climbed. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Boozer Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 5:01 PM To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] September 11 Audio Tapes -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Joel Perry Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 11:50 AM To: 'RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List' Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] September 11 Audio Tapes I'm sorry. Dubya can't come out and play right now. He's busy looking for his WMD. Then he has to make all the illegal immigrants legal. Then he's taking personal responsibility for banning all 'performance enhancing' substances from major sports. If you don't mind waiting, Mr. Kerry will be with you later this year... -- -- -- Joel Perry, who is admittedly ignorant of politics, once again shows his ever-present desire to make a fool of himself. Joel's grasp of current events and high standard on which he places his right to vote that so many have fought and died to preserve can be summed up in the following paragraph, penned by Mr. Perry himself: I change the channel when any mention of politics is brought up. Hell I though Dean's first name was Jimmy and I like his sausage. That's enough for my vote. Way to go Joel, what a great mantra to live your life by. Vote for the man or woman (Hilary?) who reminds you most of sausage. __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
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here, here!! I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have. - Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826) - Original Message - From: Tim Boozer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 11:14 AM Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] September 11 Audio Tapes You are kind of thick-headed aren't you? Dumb as a box of rocks I would say. Listen - there is a side of me, the same side that wants to help a sick puppy, no matter how ugly he is, that wants to continue discourse in an effort to enlighten you to reality. However, there is another side of me, the side that loves this country and wants W. to win the upcoming election that wants me to just shut up and let your diarrhea of the mouth continue. Because, as long as pinheads like you keep talking, W. can't lose. Right now, I'll let the side that loves his country win and let you continue to spew, but I'm sure that the ugly-puppy loving side will rear it's head again. Now please, try to find a wider audience to post your drivel. There is just not enough people in this group for it to really have maximum effect. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Joel Perry Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 8:29 AM To: 'RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List' Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] September 11 Audio Tapes I guess the next wave of 30,000+ troops being sent to Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan are going over there to fight for my and your right to vote huh? Open you eyes and look at the world from a different perspective. Although the US thinks of itself as a 'beacon of freedom', we happen to be the only country with WMD who is presently invading and occupying other countries. And ya know the irony of the situation? Even though we have control of the oil wells in Iraq, gasoline prices in the US have steadily climbed. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Boozer Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 5:01 PM To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] September 11 Audio Tapes -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Joel Perry Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 11:50 AM To: 'RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List' Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] September 11 Audio Tapes I'm sorry. Dubya can't come out and play right now. He's busy looking for his WMD. Then he has to make all the illegal immigrants legal. Then he's taking personal responsibility for banning all 'performance enhancing' substances from major sports. If you don't mind waiting, Mr. Kerry will be with you later this year... -- -- -- Joel Perry, who is admittedly ignorant of politics, once again shows his ever-present desire to make a fool of himself. Joel's grasp of current events and high standard on which he places his right to vote that so many have fought and died to preserve can be summed up in the following paragraph, penned by Mr. Perry himself: I change the channel when any mention of politics is brought up. Hell I though Dean's first name was Jimmy and I like his sausage. That's enough for my vote. Way to go Joel, what a great mantra to live your life by. Vote for the man or woman (Hilary?) who reminds you most of sausage. __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
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let's hope and pray to God he isnt - Original Message - From: Joel Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you don't mind waiting, Mr. Kerry will be with you later this year... __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
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--- JoBu wrote: If you don't mind waiting, Mr. Kerry will be with you later this year as long as he don't punk out when it comes to fighting the terroristsJamie = Let Them Hate Us, So Long As They Fear Us.--Roman Emperor Caligula (AD 37-41) __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
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-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Joel Perry Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 11:50 AM To: 'RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List' Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] September 11 Audio Tapes I'm sorry. Dubya can't come out and play right now. He's busy looking for his WMD. Then he has to make all the illegal immigrants legal. Then he's taking personal responsibility for banning all 'performance enhancing' substances from major sports. If you don't mind waiting, Mr. Kerry will be with you later this year... -- Joel Perry, who is admittedly ignorant of politics, once again shows his ever-present desire to make a fool of himself. Joel's grasp of current events and high standard on which he places his right to vote that so many have fought and died to preserve can be summed up in the following paragraph, penned by Mr. Perry himself: I change the channel when any mention of politics is brought up. Hell I though Dean's first name was Jimmy and I like his sausage. That's enough for my vote. Way to go Joel, what a great mantra to live your life by. Vote for the man or woman (Hilary?) who reminds you most of sausage. __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
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BBWWHH! F_U_Jo_Bu! Slef E. - Original Message - From: Tim Boozer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 5:01 PM Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] September 11 Audio Tapes -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Joel Perry Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 11:50 AM To: 'RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List' Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] September 11 Audio Tapes I'm sorry. Dubya can't come out and play right now. He's busy looking for his WMD. Then he has to make all the illegal immigrants legal. Then he's taking personal responsibility for banning all 'performance enhancing' substances from major sports. If you don't mind waiting, Mr. Kerry will be with you later this year... -- Joel Perry, who is admittedly ignorant of politics, once again shows his ever-present desire to make a fool of himself. Joel's grasp of current events and high standard on which he places his right to vote that so many have fought and died to preserve can be summed up in the following paragraph, penned by Mr. Perry himself: I change the channel when any mention of politics is brought up. Hell I though Dean's first name was Jimmy and I like his sausage. That's enough for my vote. Way to go Joel, what a great mantra to live your life by. Vote for the man or woman (Hilary?) who reminds you most of sausage. __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
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He's a fuckin liberal, isn't he? Don't drive drunk because he'll nail your ass, but terrorism is a disability that requires treatment not punishment. - Original Message - From: Jamie Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 4:45 PM Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] September 11 Audio Tapes as long as he don't punk out when it comes to fighting the terroristsJamie = Let Them Hate Us, So Long As They Fear Us.--Roman Emperor Caligula (AD 37-41) __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
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I LOVE the signature file. Very appropriate indeed. Joe I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have. - Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826) - Original Message - From: Jamie Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ROLLTIDEFAN [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 10:34 AM Subject: [RollTideFan] September 11 Audio Tapes they make me want to blast even more of those sorry fcukers to hellGIT HER DONE DUBYA! Jamie P.S. Want an explaination of my signutreSeptember 11th is it = Let Them Hate Us, So Long As They Fear Us.--Roman Emperor Caligula (AD 37-41) __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
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tsk, tsk, tskliberal I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have. - Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826) - Original Message - From: Joel Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 10:49 AM Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] September 11 Audio Tapes I'm sorry. Dubya can't come out and play right now. He's busy looking for his WMD. Then he has to make all the illegal immigrants legal. Then he's taking personal responsibility for banning all 'performance enhancing' substances from major sports. If you don't mind waiting, Mr. Kerry will be with you later this year... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jamie Watts Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 10:35 AM To: ROLLTIDEFAN Subject: [RollTideFan] September 11 Audio Tapes they make me want to blast even more of those sorry fcukers to hellGIT HER DONE DUBYA! Jamie P.S. Want an explaination of my signutreSeptember 11th is it = Let Them Hate Us, So Long As They Fear Us.--Roman Emperor Caligula (AD 37-41) __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
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I'll second that. Joe I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have. - Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826) - Original Message - From: Devonna Snuggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 11:52 AM Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] September 11 Audio Tapes let's hope and pray to God he isnt - Original Message - From: Joel Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you don't mind waiting, Mr. Kerry will be with you later this year... __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
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He has waffled on that subject so many times it is like a revolving door. Bush will be reelected. Joe I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have. - Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826) - Original Message - From: Jamie Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 4:45 PM Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] September 11 Audio Tapes --- JoBu wrote: If you don't mind waiting, Mr. Kerry will be with you later this year as long as he don't punk out when it comes to fighting the terroristsJamie = Let Them Hate Us, So Long As They Fear Us.--Roman Emperor Caligula (AD 37-41) __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
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ouch I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have. - Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826) - Original Message - From: Tim Boozer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 5:01 PM Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] September 11 Audio Tapes -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Joel Perry Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 11:50 AM To: 'RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List' Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] September 11 Audio Tapes I'm sorry. Dubya can't come out and play right now. He's busy looking for his WMD. Then he has to make all the illegal immigrants legal. Then he's taking personal responsibility for banning all 'performance enhancing' substances from major sports. If you don't mind waiting, Mr. Kerry will be with you later this year... -- -- -- Joel Perry, who is admittedly ignorant of politics, once again shows his ever-present desire to make a fool of himself. Joel's grasp of current events and high standard on which he places his right to vote that so many have fought and died to preserve can be summed up in the following paragraph, penned by Mr. Perry himself: I change the channel when any mention of politics is brought up. Hell I though Dean's first name was Jimmy and I like his sausage. That's enough for my vote. Way to go Joel, what a great mantra to live your life by. Vote for the man or woman (Hilary?) who reminds you most of sausage. __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
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What is he? A cop or a judge? Please say he is not a judge. We have too many commie judges as it is. Joe I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have. - Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826) - Original Message - From: Pat Smoot [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 5:08 PM Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] September 11 Audio Tapes He's a fuckin liberal, isn't he? Don't drive drunk because he'll nail your ass, but terrorism is a disability that requires treatment not punishment. - Original Message - From: Jamie Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 4:45 PM Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] September 11 Audio Tapes as long as he don't punk out when it comes to fighting the terroristsJamie = Let Them Hate Us, So Long As They Fear Us.--Roman Emperor Caligula (AD 37-41) __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
