Re: [RollTideFan] checking off

2004-10-25 Thread PIRATESPT
I wonder what made him leave like thatI think we will have to read Mals 
posthumous autobiography to know thator just wait till Francione wins his 
first national title...the book after that will tell the tale.

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Re: [RollTideFan] checking off

2004-10-25 Thread JVWatts
Kim's affinity for Joe Willie Namath

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 I wonder what made him leave like thatI think we will have to read
Mals
 posthumous autobiography to know thator just wait till Francione wins
his
 first national title...the book after that will tell the tale.

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Re: [RollTideFan] checking off

2004-10-24 Thread Rick Mc.
Joe Goodson wrote:
Hind sight is 20/20.  Sunday morning quarterbacking is not good for 
anything but mourning a loss.  I hate having to go through another 
year saying, We'll get em next year.

I feel the pain right along with ya my friend. But a big dose of reality 
is the fact we're playing on an uneven field with every team we face. 
It'll be the 2006 season before we're finally on level playing ground 
again, then watch out folks, the Tide WILL BE BACK for sure and for 
good. That is if we can keep folks like LY from *completely* ruining the 
program forever.

Roll Tide Forever!!
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Re: [RollTideFan] checking off

2004-10-24 Thread JVWatts
Damn I hate to admit this but This Ainge kid is gonna be something
specialhe's just a damn frosh and plays like a dang fifth year
seniorHe's gonna make Peyton, Casey and the others pale in
comparisonThat little ear ringed black boy better go find another place
to play



 Was I the only one that saw Tennessee's QB change up the play call and the
 Alabama defense stayed in the same set up?  We broadcasted our intentions
 and never switched to another scheme.  That may have had something to do
 with the 2nd half offensive production for the viles.

 Hind sight is 20/20.  Sunday morning quarterbacking is not good for
anything
 but mourning a loss.  I hate having to go through another year saying,
 We'll get em next year.

 I guess that I can always pray that Gallion makes Elmer Fudd's life a
living
 hell next year.
 *sigh*
 Joe


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Re: [RollTideFan] checking off

2004-10-24 Thread Jeff Todd
Arkansas has the same number of scholarship players as
we do. If that means anything.

Slef E.

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 I feel the pain right along with ya my friend. But a
big dose of reality
 is the fact we're playing on an uneven field with
every team we face.
 It'll be the 2006 season before we're finally on level
playing ground
 again, then watch out folks, the Tide WILL BE BACK for
sure and for
 good. That is if we can keep folks like LY from
*completely* ruining the
 program forever.

 Roll Tide Forever!!
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Re: [RollTideFan] checking off

2004-10-24 Thread JVWatts
But Arkansas has also had a much more stable atmosphere over the past few
years
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You will always be a winner.
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 Arkansas has the same number of scholarship players as
 we do. If that means anything.

 Slef E.

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  I feel the pain right along with ya my friend. But a
 big dose of reality
  is the fact we're playing on an uneven field with
 every team we face.
  It'll be the 2006 season before we're finally on level
 playing ground
  again, then watch out folks, the Tide WILL BE BACK for
 sure and for
  good. That is if we can keep folks like LY from
 *completely* ruining the
  program forever.
 
  Roll Tide Forever!!
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Re: [RollTideFan] checking off

2004-10-24 Thread Jeff Todd
excuses

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 But Arkansas has also had a much more stable
atmosphere over the past few
 years
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pride, and never quit,
 You will always be a winner.
 The price of victory is high, but so are the
rewards. -- Paul W. Bryant
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  Arkansas has the same number of scholarship players
as
  we do. If that means anything.
 
  Slef E.
 
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   I feel the pain right along with ya my friend. But
a
  big dose of reality
   is the fact we're playing on an uneven field with
  every team we face.
   It'll be the 2006 season before we're finally on
level
  playing ground
   again, then watch out folks, the Tide WILL BE BACK
for
  sure and for
   good. That is if we can keep folks like LY from
  *completely* ruining the
   program forever.
  
   Roll Tide Forever!!
   Rick
  
  
  
  
  
  
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Re: [RollTideFan] checking off

2004-10-24 Thread JVWatts
nyet
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 excuses

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  But Arkansas has also had a much more stable
 atmosphere over the past few
  years
  ===
   If you believe in yourself, have dedication and
 pride, and never quit,
  You will always be a winner.
  The price of victory is high, but so are the
 rewards. -- Paul W. Bryant
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   Arkansas has the same number of scholarship players
 as
   we do. If that means anything.
  
   Slef E.
  
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I feel the pain right along with ya my friend. But
 a
   big dose of reality
is the fact we're playing on an uneven field with
   every team we face.
It'll be the 2006 season before we're finally on
 level
   playing ground
again, then watch out folks, the Tide WILL BE BACK
 for
   sure and for
good. That is if we can keep folks like LY from
   *completely* ruining the
program forever.
   
Roll Tide Forever!!
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Re: [RollTideFan] checking off

2004-10-24 Thread Rick Mc.
Man, I'm looking for a silver lining wherever I can find one. I realize 
it's a lame excuse but it's the best I can come up with without placing 
the blame squarely at CMS's feet. On another note, and I know there's 
some that don't want to talk about this, but imagine if Fran had stayed 
the course and held the rope. That 2002 season wasn't a fluke. I truly 
believe we were in position to dominate the league the way we did during 
the 70's. Call me crazy, but that's what I saw at the time.

Rick
Jeff Todd wrote:
Arkansas has the same number of scholarship players as
we do. If that means anything.
Slef E.
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I feel the pain right along with ya my friend. But a
   

big dose of reality
 

is the fact we're playing on an uneven field with
   

every team we face.
 

It'll be the 2006 season before we're finally on level
   

playing ground
 

again, then watch out folks, the Tide WILL BE BACK for
   

sure and for
 

good. That is if we can keep folks like LY from
   

*completely* ruining the
 

program forever.
Roll Tide Forever!!
Rick


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Re: [RollTideFan] checking off

2004-10-24 Thread Ken Harness
And a better QB
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excuses
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But Arkansas has also had a much more stable
atmosphere over the past few
years
===
 If you believe in yourself, have dedication and
pride, and never quit,
You will always be a winner.
The price of victory is high, but so are the
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 Arkansas has the same number of scholarship players
as
 we do. If that means anything.

 Slef E.

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  I feel the pain right along with ya my friend. But
a
 big dose of reality
  is the fact we're playing on an uneven field with
 every team we face.
  It'll be the 2006 season before we're finally on
level
 playing ground
  again, then watch out folks, the Tide WILL BE BACK
for
 sure and for
  good. That is if we can keep folks like LY from
 *completely* ruining the
  program forever.
 
  Roll Tide Forever!!
  Rick
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [RollTideFan] checking off

2004-10-24 Thread Joe Goodson
*sigh*
I knew two years ago that a lot of patience would be necessary to get 
through the repercussions of the NCAA reaming we took..but it still 
sucks.
Joe
We have the sweetest, finest bunch of kids in the world, and I love
every one of them, but they're not tough enough. If we don't get some
sure-enough, way-down-deep meanness, we're not going to beat anybody. -
Alabama legend Bear Bryant.

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Joe Goodson wrote:
Hind sight is 20/20.  Sunday morning quarterbacking is not good for 
anything but mourning a loss.  I hate having to go through another year 
saying, We'll get em next year.

I feel the pain right along with ya my friend. But a big dose of reality 
is the fact we're playing on an uneven field with every team we face. 
It'll be the 2006 season before we're finally on level playing ground 
again, then watch out folks, the Tide WILL BE BACK for sure and for good. 
That is if we can keep folks like LY from *completely* ruining the program 
forever.

Roll Tide Forever!!
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RE: [RollTideFan] checking off

2004-10-24 Thread Tim Boozer



Arkansas has the same number of scholarship players as
we do. If that means anything.

Slef E.



So, was Arkansas docked 21 schollys or did a bunch of crappy players that
did have the cojones to play college ball leave?

There is a difference.


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Re: [RollTideFan] checking off

2004-10-24 Thread Jeff Todd
Arkansas got some little bullshit penalty, but nothing
like we got. If I had to guess, they came up short due
to signing too many JUCO's.

So what's the difference if both teams have 74 players
on scholarship? Other than the obvious - quarterback
situation.

Slef E.

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  So, was Arkansas docked 21 schollys or did a bunch of
crappy players that
 did have the cojones to play college ball leave?

 There is a difference.




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Re: [RollTideFan] checking off

2004-10-24 Thread Jeff Todd
What's wrong with blaming CMS?

Franholio had it going on, no doubt about it. Some have
criticized his recruiting while at Bama, but under the
circumstances I can't imagine anyone else doing a better
job. With all the uncertainty facing the program during
his tenure, about all we could hope for was not to lose
any legacy recruits. I can't imagine a Keith Brown, or
D.J. Hall signing with Bama if they'd come along 3-4
years earlier.

But I just think all that uncertainty provided Franholio
with a convenient excuse for leaving. I don't think he
would have stayed with us much, if any longer regardless
of the circumstances at Bama. Certainly not long enough
to return Bama to domination.

Slef E.

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 Man, I'm looking for a silver lining wherever I can
find one. I realize
 it's a lame excuse but it's the best I can come up
with without placing
 the blame squarely at CMS's feet. On another note, and
I know there's
 some that don't want to talk about this, but imagine
if Fran had stayed
 the course and held the rope. That 2002 season wasn't
a fluke. I truly
 believe we were in position to dominate the league the
way we did during
 the 70's. Call me crazy, but that's what I saw at the
time.

 Rick

 Jeff Todd wrote:

 Arkansas has the same number of scholarship players
as
 we do. If that means anything.
 
 Slef E.
 
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 I feel the pain right along with ya my friend. But a
 
 
 big dose of reality
 
 
 is the fact we're playing on an uneven field with
 
 
 every team we face.
 
 
 It'll be the 2006 season before we're finally on
level
 
 
 playing ground
 
 
 again, then watch out folks, the Tide WILL BE BACK
for
 
 
 sure and for
 
 
 good. That is if we can keep folks like LY from
 
 
 *completely* ruining the
 
 
 program forever.
 
 Roll Tide Forever!!
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Re: [RollTideFan] checking off

2004-10-24 Thread Rick Mc.

Jeff Todd wrote:
What's wrong with blaming CMS?
This is a tough question without an easy answer. There's several excuses 
as to why he shouldn't be blamed such as the fact he's still wet behind 
the ears as a head coach and he's still a victim of circumstances that 
were out of his control when he got the job. But the real rub, in my 
mind at least (and probably yours as well), is that an *experienced and 
successful*  head coach would have a winning record over this 21 game 
period, whereby CMS has a losing one. One can blame the coaches he has 
on his staff, one can also blame it on *just plain bad luck* with 
injuries to key personnel during that 21 game period. CMS needs to make 
some staff changes and philosophy changes during this off season, no 
doubt. I seriously doubt either of those will happen.

Franholio had it going on, no doubt about it. Some have
criticized his recruiting while at Bama, but under the
circumstances I can't imagine anyone else doing a better
job. With all the uncertainty facing the program during
his tenure, about all we could hope for was not to lose
any legacy recruits. I can't imagine a Keith Brown, or
D.J. Hall signing with Bama if they'd come along 3-4
years earlier.
But I just think all that uncertainty provided Franholio
with a convenient excuse for leaving. I don't think he
would have stayed with us much, if any longer regardless
of the circumstances at Bama. Certainly not long enough
to return Bama to domination.
I don't disagree with this theory, but all I was saying is just imagine 
if he had stayed for say 15 years and was happy and content to close out 
his career at ALABAMA. Bama would have dominated. How many times have we 
gone into places like Auburn and Knoxville and blew away those two teams 
like we did while he was here (throw in LSU as well). That gave all of 
us hope that Bama truly was on it's way back to the place it used to be. 
Nothing over the past 21 games has given us hope that that will happen 
any time soon. That is extremely frustrating. Yes everyone says be 
patient, but Fran showed us what could be done and he did pretty quickly.

Rick


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Re: [RollTideFan] checking off

2004-10-24 Thread Joe Goodson
I defended Coach Fran to the all too bitter end.  If he would have had the 
character and staying power that I believed him to have had, he would have 
stayed.  But he didn't, so screw him.  Maybe the powers that be should take 
a look at themselves and wonder why he left?  Was it something in the 
administration?  If so.are those people still in place?  If so..why 
aren't they gone?  If Fran had stayed and developed a true love for Bama 
instead of using us as a stepping stone, things would be looking up right 
about now.

But he didn't.and things are not as good as they should be.
One day they will be though.  Until thenRolltide any damn way.
Joe

I don't disagree with this theory, but all I was saying is just imagine if 
he had stayed for say 15 years and was happy and content to close out his 
career at ALABAMA. Bama would have dominated. How many times have we gone 
into places like Auburn and Knoxville and blew away those two teams like 
we did while he was here (throw in LSU as well). That gave all of us hope 
that Bama truly was on it's way back to the place it used to be. Nothing 
over the past 21 games has given us hope that that will happen any time 
soon. That is extremely frustrating. Yes everyone says be patient, but 
Fran showed us what could be done and he did pretty quickly.

Rick

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Re: [RollTideFan] checking off

2004-10-24 Thread Jeff Todd
Rick,

In a perfect world, your scenario is dead on. Couldn't
agree more.

Slef E.


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 I don't disagree with this theory, but all I was
saying is just imagine
 if he had stayed for say 15 years and was happy and
content to close out
 his career at ALABAMA. Bama would have dominated. How
many times have we
 gone into places like Auburn and Knoxville and blew
away those two teams
 like we did while he was here (throw in LSU as well).
That gave all of
 us hope that Bama truly was on it's way back to the
place it used to be.
 Nothing over the past 21 games has given us hope that
that will happen
 any time soon. That is extremely frustrating. Yes
everyone says be
 patient, but Fran showed us what could be done and he
did pretty quickly.

 Rick



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