[rust-dev] Building in Local Git Repo?

2014-12-29 Thread Tom Browder
I have a locally cloned fork of Rust.  Is it okay to build in the
top-level directory?  Or is it better to build in a sub-directory or
an out-of-repo directory?

Thanks.

Best regards,

-Tom
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Re: [rust-dev] Building in Local Git Repo?

2014-12-29 Thread Steve Klabnik
I always build in-tree, and it's fine.
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Re: [rust-dev] Building in Local Git Repo?

2014-12-29 Thread Tom Browder
On Dec 29, 2014 11:38 AM, Steve Klabnik st...@steveklabnik.com wrote:

 I always build in-tree, and it's fine.

Thanks.  Maybe a note to that effect in the docs would be
helpful--especially for someone coming  from some popular repos that use
CMake.

Best regards,

-Tom
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Re: [rust-dev] Rust discourse visibility [Was: Tail call compatibility]

2014-12-29 Thread Paul Nathan
I have no desire to use Discourse, and nearly certainly won't sign up for
it (I don't even understand why it came to be). I have never used Rust
discourse besides happening once upon it and reading the linked thread.

 My membership in mailing lists is neatly sorted and segregated, easily
readable on my mobile devices without extra signing up or poking at badly
designed websites. Discourse gives me zero advantage for yet *another*
website signup, and probably with less usability, given my experience of
web site development  design.  It's worth noting that every single libre
software project I have any interest in (from the arcane to the popular)
maintains the mailing list as the primary official channel of communiques.

If the Rust admins kill the mailing list, I will probably drop out of
participation (what a loss. ;) ) and limit participation to lurking
reddit's /r/rust (I don't contribute thoughtful stuff to reddit in part due
to the fact that mobile website = awful, readers = ehhh and occasional
IRC questions.

I am sure I sound like a crabby crank, but, meh.


On Sat, Dec 27, 2014 at 9:02 AM, Clark Gaebel cg.wowus...@gmail.com wrote:

 There was a thread about it on... Discourse!

 http://discuss.rust-lang.org/t/is-it-time-to-kill-the-mailing-list/611/36



 On Sat, Dec 27, 2014 at 11:53 AM, Tomi Pieviläinen 
 tomi.pievilai...@iki.fi wrote:

  The mailing list is mostly dead BTW. Consider bringing this up on
  discuss.rust-lang.org instead.

 This is the first time I've heard of that. I checked that it isn't
 even linked on the homepage, but the mailing list and IRC are.

 Have I missed something, or should the discourse then be linked
 instead of or at least in addition of the mailing list?

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Re: [rust-dev] PDF Rust Docs

2014-12-29 Thread Tom Browder
On Dec 29, 2014 12:16 PM, Brian Anderson bander...@mozilla.com wrote:

 They used to be uploaded. I'm not sure why they stopped. Please file an
 issue.

Will do.

Thanks, Brian.

-Tom
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Re: [rust-dev] Rust discourse visibility [Was: Tail call compatibility]

2014-12-29 Thread Dmitry Romanov
I agree on almost every word. I have well sorted and with love configured
mail, where I track several Libre projects. Now it is interesting to track
rust questions. But dropping maillist most probably means I will not
participate any more.

I could add, as example, I have very limited Internet connection on
cristmass trip now so the mail on my mobile is the only reliable way to
track what is happening. Think about this reason too.
On Dec 29, 2014 7:22 PM, Paul Nathan pnat...@alumni.uidaho.edu wrote:

 I have no desire to use Discourse, and nearly certainly won't sign up for
 it (I don't even understand why it came to be). I have never used Rust
 discourse besides happening once upon it and reading the linked thread.

  My membership in mailing lists is neatly sorted and segregated, easily
 readable on my mobile devices without extra signing up or poking at badly
 designed websites. Discourse gives me zero advantage for yet *another*
 website signup, and probably with less usability, given my experience of
 web site development  design.  It's worth noting that every single libre
 software project I have any interest in (from the arcane to the popular)
 maintains the mailing list as the primary official channel of communiques.

 If the Rust admins kill the mailing list, I will probably drop out of
 participation (what a loss. ;) ) and limit participation to lurking
 reddit's /r/rust (I don't contribute thoughtful stuff to reddit in part due
 to the fact that mobile website = awful, readers = ehhh and occasional
 IRC questions.

 I am sure I sound like a crabby crank, but, meh.


 On Sat, Dec 27, 2014 at 9:02 AM, Clark Gaebel cg.wowus...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 There was a thread about it on... Discourse!

 http://discuss.rust-lang.org/t/is-it-time-to-kill-the-mailing-list/611/36



 On Sat, Dec 27, 2014 at 11:53 AM, Tomi Pieviläinen 
 tomi.pievilai...@iki.fi wrote:

  The mailing list is mostly dead BTW. Consider bringing this up on
  discuss.rust-lang.org instead.

 This is the first time I've heard of that. I checked that it isn't
 even linked on the homepage, but the mailing list and IRC are.

 Have I missed something, or should the discourse then be linked
 instead of or at least in addition of the mailing list?

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 A: Because it disrupts the natural way of thinking.
 Q: Why is top posting frowned upon?
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Re: [rust-dev] Problems cross-compiling to ARM9

2014-12-29 Thread Tomi Pieviläinen
 In the past when I've seen this error, it's because your C cross
 toolchain is built for a slightly wrong architecture. Can you verify
 that C programs cross compiled with your cross-gcc work correctly?

Christmas is over, back to work. C works fine just by calling
arm-linux-gnueabi-gcc. I hadn't tried an empty rust program, but that
also stops with the same illegal instructions. The other hints are a
bit over my head right now, as I haven't done much anything this close
to metal. I'll continue studying this and report on whatever I find.

I'm still wondering if rustc is somehow creating bad IR, since LLVM
doesn't like that.

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Re: [rust-dev] Rust discourse visibility [Was: Tail call compatibility]

2014-12-29 Thread Kevin Cantu
It's easy to set up discuss to email you all the time, too: give it a try.

It had gotten pretty clear that having a catch-all mailing list wasn't
going to scale.

Kevin
On Dec 29, 2014 10:57 AM, Dmitry Romanov romano...@gmail.com wrote:

 I agree on almost every word. I have well sorted and with love configured
 mail, where I track several Libre projects. Now it is interesting to track
 rust questions. But dropping maillist most probably means I will not
 participate any more.

 I could add, as example, I have very limited Internet connection on
 cristmass trip now so the mail on my mobile is the only reliable way to
 track what is happening. Think about this reason too.
 On Dec 29, 2014 7:22 PM, Paul Nathan pnat...@alumni.uidaho.edu wrote:

 I have no desire to use Discourse, and nearly certainly won't sign up for
 it (I don't even understand why it came to be). I have never used Rust
 discourse besides happening once upon it and reading the linked thread.

  My membership in mailing lists is neatly sorted and segregated, easily
 readable on my mobile devices without extra signing up or poking at badly
 designed websites. Discourse gives me zero advantage for yet *another*
 website signup, and probably with less usability, given my experience of
 web site development  design.  It's worth noting that every single libre
 software project I have any interest in (from the arcane to the popular)
 maintains the mailing list as the primary official channel of communiques.

 If the Rust admins kill the mailing list, I will probably drop out of
 participation (what a loss. ;) ) and limit participation to lurking
 reddit's /r/rust (I don't contribute thoughtful stuff to reddit in part due
 to the fact that mobile website = awful, readers = ehhh and occasional
 IRC questions.

 I am sure I sound like a crabby crank, but, meh.


 On Sat, Dec 27, 2014 at 9:02 AM, Clark Gaebel cg.wowus...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 There was a thread about it on... Discourse!

 http://discuss.rust-lang.org/t/is-it-time-to-kill-the-mailing-list/611/36



 On Sat, Dec 27, 2014 at 11:53 AM, Tomi Pieviläinen 
 tomi.pievilai...@iki.fi wrote:

  The mailing list is mostly dead BTW. Consider bringing this up on
  discuss.rust-lang.org instead.

 This is the first time I've heard of that. I checked that it isn't
 even linked on the homepage, but the mailing list and IRC are.

 Have I missed something, or should the discourse then be linked
 instead of or at least in addition of the mailing list?

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 A: Because it disrupts the natural way of thinking.
 Q: Why is top posting frowned upon?
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Re: [rust-dev] Rust discourse visibility [Was: Tail call compatibility]

2014-12-29 Thread Benjamin Herr
On Mon, 2014-12-29 at 13:02 -0800, Kevin Cantu wrote:
 It's easy to set up discuss to email you all the time, too: give it a
 try.

That still loses you the thread structure of email discussion. I also
can't start threads via the mail interface, and the mail interface
regularly eats whole replies by people who are optimistic enough to to
use it like nmatsakis. People can also edit their posts to append more
information and I don't believe the mail interface would inform me of
that.

Also the settings page in Discourse invariably says  We'll only email
you if we haven't seen you in the last 10 minutes and you haven't read
the thing we're emailing you about.  which doesn't give me much
confidence that I'm not somehow missing messages after following links
on irc or wherever.
 
 It had gotten pretty clear that having a catch-all mailing list wasn't
 going to scale.

It also doesn't scale for people to come to terms with a separate web
based discussion forum for each project they keep up with or contribute
to.

Many projects use multiple mailing lists, it's not clear to me why that
doesn't address the rust team's requirements.

-ben
 
 Kevin
 
 On Dec 29, 2014 10:57 AM, Dmitry Romanov romano...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 I agree on almost every word. I have well sorted and with love
 configured mail, where I track several Libre projects. Now it
 is interesting to track rust questions. But dropping maillist
 most probably means I will not participate any more.
 
 I could add, as example, I have very limited Internet
 connection on cristmass trip now so the mail on my mobile is
 the only reliable way to track what is happening. Think about
 this reason too.
 
 On Dec 29, 2014 7:22 PM, Paul Nathan
 pnat...@alumni.uidaho.edu wrote:
 I have no desire to use Discourse, and nearly
 certainly won't sign up for it (I don't even
 understand why it came to be). I have never used Rust
 discourse besides happening once upon it and reading
 the linked thread.
 
  My membership in mailing lists is neatly sorted and
 segregated, easily readable on my mobile devices
 without extra signing up or poking at badly designed
 websites. Discourse gives me zero advantage for yet
 *another* website signup, and probably with less
 usability, given my experience of web site development
  design.  It's worth noting that every single libre
 software project I have any interest in (from the
 arcane to the popular) maintains the mailing list as
 the primary official channel of communiques.
 
 
 If the Rust admins kill the mailing list, I will
 probably drop out of participation (what a loss. ;) )
 and limit participation to lurking reddit's /r/rust (I
 don't contribute thoughtful stuff to reddit in part
 due to the fact that mobile website = awful, readers
 = ehhh and occasional IRC questions. 
 
 
 I am sure I sound like a crabby crank, but, meh. 
 
 
 
 
 On Sat, Dec 27, 2014 at 9:02 AM, Clark Gaebel
 cg.wowus...@gmail.com wrote:
 There was a thread about it on... Discourse!
 
 
 http://discuss.rust-lang.org/t/is-it-time-to-kill-the-mailing-list/611/36
 
 
 
 
 On Sat, Dec 27, 2014 at 11:53 AM, Tomi
 Pieviläinen tomi.pievilai...@iki.fi wrote:
 
 
  The mailing list is mostly dead BTW.
 Consider bringing this up on 
  discuss.rust-lang.org instead. 
 
 This is the first time I've heard of
 that. I checked that it isn't 
 even linked on the homepage, but the
 mailing list and IRC are. 
 
 Have I missed something, or should the
 discourse then be linked 
 instead of or at least in addition of
 the mailing list? 
 
 -- 
 Tomi Pieviläinen, +358 400 487 504 
  

Re: [rust-dev] Rust discourse visibility [Was: Tail call compatibility]

2014-12-29 Thread Tony Arcieri
On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 1:02 PM, Kevin Cantu m...@kevincantu.org wrote:

 It's easy to set up discuss to email you all the time, too: give it a try.

I've set up Discourse this way. As a Gmail user, this is mostly fine as a
mailing list replacement, but I can see (as a former mutt user) how mutt
users who are used to being able to see the structure of threaded
conversations would get annoyed, as Discourse publishes a flat message
list.

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